How do you counter them without using melee weapons
Extremely slow bullet
>>65151484Slow moving hunter-seekers, only reason this thing didn't kill Paul is because Paul was an absolute genetic freak.
>>65151484shoot it with an energy weapon from far away
Better question: why is Holtzmann shield so shit that it conveniently lets slow moving stuff pass it? Why haven't the technological spacefaring geniuses come up with Sexmann shield that defeats all threats?
>>65151484How you defeat anything nowadays, FPV drone
>>65151484Just use gas attacks
155mm artillery, JDAM, whatever creates overpressure. It's actually a pretty shit shield.
>>65151498This, if you slowly move your ass into the shield and let a fat one rip you'll disable the opponent with a negative feedback loop of boiled cabbage
>>65151496Pretty sure it protects against explosions and projectile weapons so it renders them moot. Though I guess you could argue something like >>65151487 is a drone so maybe you’re right.
>>65151485Suppressed .45 ACP?
>>65151496Running propellors would still be stopped, I should think. You'd have to lob it in just the right way.
>autists arguing about a literal handwavy literary device invented because the author wanted hand-to-hand combat in space
>>65151484Why didn't paul just send in a suicide bomber wearing a shield and shoot him with a lasgun to attack the emperor.It's not like he's gonna get persecuted later because he'll become the emperor anyway
>>65151536Why didn't he do it himself by shouting allahu akbar and then shooting the emperor with a lasgun?
>>65151484A drone with small laser weapon. Just move in and shoot the target with laser creating an explosion that will destroy both
>>65151548Or just a drone with a little laser pointer, saving on costs.
>>65151558If that's enough to proc shield explosion - sure
Causing a nuclear explosion on purpose is treated the same whether you do it with uranium, plutonium, or exotic interactions between shields and lasers.
>>65151569Oh no! My dead enemies disapproved of my dastardly drone with laser tactic!! Space allah forgive me!
>>65151484a slow flying lead slug from a45/70 black powder Colt Walkerwill rip off each body partit hits at close quarterplus, the shooter can disappear into the smoke most theatrical like aCOOOOOOWBOOOOY about the movie: wild west props minus would have been much more better for this desert themed movie than the brown bedsheets over chink plate carriers with brown spray colour on it.have you ever asked yourself why no one wears hats or dustcoats on a desert planet?
A net.
>>65151484Bola and nets.
>>65151577More like the Navigator Guild stops servicing your worlds and your fiefdom starves.
>>65151484Drill darts, gyrojets, fire if they aren't wearing the right armor. >>65151494Has to let oxygen through. >>65151498>>65151503Didn't work against Baron Harkonnen.
>>65151484bunker busterthese assholes are always hanging out in caves and giant stone building to get out of the sun, drop the ceiling on their head
>>65151569I distinctly remember either Paul or Duncan in the first book tricking the Harks into lasing a shield and blowing themselves up, with zero political consequences for either setting the trap or triggering it.
>>65151569Except Paul nukes a fuckton of planets to get everyone to fall in line and there's no consequences because he controls the spice.
>>65151484Iirc the shield las reaction is highly random to the point where either device explodes and the yield goes from Fat Man all the way down to mutually frying each other's circuits so youre left with a really expensive and unreliable bomb
>>65152265Do YOU control the Spice?
>>65152101>throw shields at anyone using lasers>they explode of their own volition and is technically their own faultThe charges, Emperor?
>>65151533What did Frank Herbert mean by this?
>>65151487Shields defeat hunter seekers>>65152101Duncan did it, it took out a couple battalions of HarkonnensTBF however he didn't trick them much, just left one turned on and the retards got careless>>65151484>How do you counter them without using melee weaponsLasguns on a timerIt's literally in the book
>>65152805Right after this Paul says he killed about 61 billion so far.
>>65151484Velocity-matching robots/warheads. Hunter-seekers would do it. Big mechas squishing people would do it. FPVs would bounce off a lot at first, but eventually pilots would learn to get them through. Of course unless you're going full automated robot army you'd still need human troops to hold ground, and they'd want swords.>>65151533>literary deviceNo, political one. Dune is an inherently middle-late-Cold War book.
>>65152265>first worlders massacre a target with elite spec-ops and/or space superiority and nobody cares>brownoids seethe 'why can't we do the legal loophole too'!>brownoids are subsequently glassed from orbit for pursuing WMDDune was more realistic than anyone wants to give it credit for.
>>65152858Dune was a clear reference to the Suez Crisis, the formation of OPEC, and possibly the Six Day War. It IS indeed more real than it's given credit for.>>65152853>No, political one. Dune is an inherently middle-late-Cold War book.It was published barely a third of the way through.
>>65151536>>65151541Image of legitimacy. It allows the various noble houses to accept the change without having their honor dragged through the mud, raped, and then executed.To put it simply, by marrying the princess Irulan (instead of resting bitch face Chani) Paul became the heir apparent to the throne. At that point Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV stepped down from the throne and relinquished it to the heir apparent.This made everything above board and ensured that the large majority of the Laandsrad did not have standing to go to war. The rest are generally being aggressively neutralized in the background of the next two films.
>>65152805Frank was eternally seething that people liked Paul in the first book so he had to go on to character assassinate him in the most on the nose way possible
>>65152805Same thing Tomino meant by this.
>>65152805>LMAO HitlerI don't think either of these lines will be in the movie.Or what he thinks about his sister, for that matter.
>>65152088In the books, Harkonen managed to slip into a safe room and waited out the poison even though he did get hit with some of it.in the new movie. He floated himself to the top of the ceiling out of reach of the poison which probably began to collect to the ground after release so as long as he stayed out of reach he would have been fine, again, having inhaled some and still needed medical assistance afterwards.In both instances, unless he had a personal environment he could rely on and crank his personal shield to block out air particles (which is something that may or may not be possible on the fly) Yui's trap would have worked if he didn't have an escape route
Chemical warfare. There's nothing a few swordsman can do about a helicopter dumping chemicals that catch fire. You get covered by it and now you're just on fire. Also, btw, if you are on fire and the shield activates, then it'll restrict material trying to leave the bubble and therefor the heat in a contained area.There's also the fact that the shields don't seem to do anything to EM radiation. Some kind of microwave grenade (or drone) would just cook you.There's also
>>65152805>Set in thousands of of years in the future, enough time for greater atrocities to be committed >Yet Hitler was the only one worth mentioning
>>65151484Consider how fast they swing their melee weapons and still gets by the shield, it's probably related to kinetic energy. A bullet might get stopped, but an arrow, crossbow bolt, or shot from a sling might come in below the energy threshold and still fuck people up.
>>65151636A tiny net?
>>65153692>what he thinks about his sister, for that matterWhat does he think about her?
>>65151533>complaining about autists on a site filled with autistic topics and animewhoa
>>65154337
>>65154342I'm glad you asked.
>>65154272I would figure Paul would be more likely to compare himself to Genghis Khan anyway.
>>65154358
>>65154349>autists topics AND animeAre you trying to say anime isn't autistic because it isn't up to snuff as a matter of your opinion or something? Cause the factual aspects of anime are pretty autistic.
>>65154272I like the series, but Earth and our frame of reference for history is understandably disproportionately represented. It's especially eye rolling in God Emperor of Dune where you have someone who has knowledge of countless composers and artists to listen to and experience, but the one reference to that is him going "ugh Mozart is so pretentious... but BACH? VGH." like Jesus, Herbert, I get it
>>65154361>>65154358Should have guessed it's incest lol
>>65153600desu showing prescience as a trap and functional death in exchange for power is pretty kino. it didn't feel like character assassination to point out the flaws in knowing what's going to happen at every instance of your life, and to contrastingly make the surprises and uncertainty of normal life look better by comparison. in a way, it helps us to appreciate our mundane lives.
>>65153750>mindbreaks his granddaughter as a force ghost so hard that he uses her as a living vessel to indulge in his pedosadistic fantasies as a young womanhe won.
>>65151484Bury them.
>>65154361>when you become so galaxy brained that you can't even comprehend what familial relationships are anymore so now your sister gives you a boner
>>65151484Flamethrowers?
>>65151484gas
>>65154406The idea that perfect knowledge on a long enough timescale essentially destroys any conventional sense of morality is interesting too.
>>65154406I personally hated the determinism. Paul's all like "aww shucks! Guess I have to exterminate 61 billion people! My prescience said so!"
>>65151484Poison gas.Flamethrower.A Sandworm.Best though is a laser - the explosion takes out the entire city or base as well, a better use for your suicide troops than piloting a stupid flying hypodermic.
>>65151484Steamroller
>>65151621Because dusters and hats are extremely frontier coded, and then it would be a cool wild west movie instead of a muh heckin ethnic space mooslim movie
>>65154573It wasn't determinism, since there were several routes available. But, on all of them, all those people would end up dead anyway, unless he and all his close followers basically killed themselves immediately. Which was something he obviously wasn't going to consider. Another proof that it wasn't determinism was The Golden Path. Paul refused to take it, despite always being an option. Leto II accepted the burden of carrying it out, and he held a small grudge towards his father for a while, for dumping that responsibility onto him.
