What's the most realistic portrayal of a WW3 scenario in media?For example, in MW2(2009), Russia manages to conquer most of Europe and the Eastern Coast of US.
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Definitely NOT Red Dawn(1984).
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"The Third World War" an "The Third World War: The Untold Story" by General Sir John Hackett are pretty good spec-fic on the subjectThey even got adapted into an anime, wildly enough ("Future War 198X") which is pretty kino but far less realistic
>>65152068As much as I love MW2 for the nostalgia, the ongoing 3 day special operation has really shown how implausible it actually was.
What even is the modern equivalent of "Seven Days to the River Rhine"?Some sort of Baltic SMO? The EU heartland really isn't under Russian threat anymore.
>>65152095Fpbp
there was a German fictional documentary about WW3 set in the 1980s, it may be still on Youtube. It was pretty kino, land combat in Germany/Poland (after a NATO counter offensive) and naval combat in the North Atlantic, and at the end, nuclear war
https://voca.ro/1bHjDZNdtUQm
>>65152068No one's mentioned red storm rising yet?
>>65152223The "Dance of the Vampires" while cool, makes absolutely no sense.
Why did the western entertainment media shill russian equipment to such insane degree? I bet it had real life consequences when retarded boomer politicians started associating american movie depiction of russian military with reality.
>>65152192This is one of my favorites, there's full copies on YT as well, it's a good watch.
>>65152225>shit out a bunch of anti ship missiles with a bunch of bombers all at once?How does this not make sense
>>65152244>Somehow get dozens and dozens of bombers over the mid-Atlantic with a very limited refueling tanker fleet without NATO noticing
>>65152241The only thing Russians are good at is propaganda. And killing their own people.
>>65152249It's been a bit since I've read the book but wasn't that what Iceland was for?
Frontlines: Fuel of War>fuel shortages cause unrest>domestic political drama>mysterious flu outbreak weakens working class economies worldwide>conflict breaks out in the caspian(?) area>fighting is focused on oil rich regions and not fucking California>drones everywhere>russia goes full retard with conscription >low yield tatical nukes used as conflict escalated>war is 100% fought over dwindling resources and not some retarded ex Soviet terrorist who uses magicGame was ahead of its time even though it didn’t seemingly sell that well.
I wish there was more media that covered Operation Unthinkable. Not sure if that’s really considered WW3 material, or just another hypothetical theater of WW2.
>>65152068>For example, in MW2(2009), Russia manages to conquer most of Europe and the Eastern Coast of US.even back in 09 that was wildly unrealistic
>>65152095>likely wartime functionI would have hoped they'd know for certain before they built it
>>65152241fudd lore from vietnam vets and just a general lack of information. the people who made the movies didn't have access to youtube or video games. no reason for glowie advisors to contradict them either it was better for the general public to be scared of evil hunnic mongol communists and their magic wunderwaffen
>>65152565It used to be a Vulcan base, in fact they still have XH558 there today.
>>65152068>"Alex, you're throwing everything you got at us. We're supposed to be allies you maniac!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhSKjdOpxqw
Taistelukenttä 2020https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTmWCbcYwb8
>>65152269>focused on oil rich regions and not fucking CaliforniaIt's not something they brag about because the commies running the state hate fossil fuels, but California still has significant oil reserves and extracts roughly 120mil barrels of crude oil every year.That's approaching Alaska's annual crude oil output of roughly 150mil Barrels.
>>65152269Fucking love that game. It just had this surreal aesthetic to it too. The kind of feeling I get when looking at pictures from the Korean war. Just a war beyond time and space kind of vibes. One thing that I liked was how in the lore dump timeline in the game, the coalition and the red alliance both set up SDI style brilliant pebble constellations that rendered MAD doctrine obsolete. Which has always been an interesting idea to me. If we were to ever make something like that, then on the one hand; strategic level nuclear exchanges are no longer society destroying. But on the other hand, there is now nothing stopping superpowers from engaging one another conventionally to take shit by force. No need for proxies, no posturing. Just straight up "if I want it, I'm gonna take it." I feel like Frontlines Fuel of War gave a semi realistic example of the modern world if he had that: It's not peaceful, but just nonstop warfare.
>>65152883>oil reserves =/= extractible oilThe reason why fracking even exists now is because the overall oil supply is so shit that fracking became economically viable. Give it a few more decades and we very well may come to the point where it is no longer economically feasible to extract oil anymore. If the oil reserves consist of dogshit oil that is super expensive to extract that it ends up costing more just to get it than you can sell it, then it's useless.
>>65152990It will be extremely hard to replace oil's chemical and material applications.
>>65152241>Why did the western entertainment media shill russian equipment to such insane degree?Because the Soviet Union had technology parity for the bulk of the Cold War combined with having an astronomically massive military force that dwarfed anything in Europe. It's not like modern times where an old T72 gets compared to the latest variant of the M1 Abrams. During the cold war it was T72's vs M60's, Chieftains and old Leopards, which the T72 was better than all of them and the Soviets had them en masse. The Soviet Union was also a completely different beast than the Russian Federation as it is today. The size, the mass, the degree of mechanization, the artillery, the missiles, the air power - everything. To say that the Soviet Union was just some joke is as equally retarded as the propaganda we get coming out of both sides of the war in Ukraine right now.
>>65153014That's kind of the problem anon.
>>65153015Let's not kid ourselves, the only reason the USSR survived was because the US was responsible for its supplies and did all the real fighting, the USSR was a complete joke, Russians will always be Russians.
>>65153024Would have been kino if we just sat back and let the Russians and Nazis kill eachother.
>>65153026True, but never too late to learn from our mistakes, that's what we're doing now.
>>65153024The Soviet Union during and post WWII are kind of two different things anon.
>>65152241People still pretend like Russia has pre-WWII population numbers and immediate post-WWII production capability and isn't still recovering after the fall of the fall of the USSR which it technically is...or at least they did. Now I think a lot more people just view Russia as a local threat to its neighbors if they aren't playing nice
>>65152095this. also 4k UHD version coming out soon brothers
>>65152241Russia has been recovering ever since the Soviet collapse and only really started actually getting back on its feet in around the early 2010's. While the war in Ukraine has definitely been a drain on their economy it's still apart of a major turning point for them. Securing a lot of farmland, rare earth elements and potentially population centers with or without said population that currently occupies them. A lot of their money has always gone to their nuclear arsenal to keep it up to date since that has mainly been the only thing that has kept Russia a major player on the international level and not just a regional power. And of course Russia with its stranglehold on natural gas over Europe has always been a major source of power which keeps them in the conversation and is also a pretty big revenue stream to continue upgrading its military.The problem with the Russian military is that it still bases its doctrine and tactics on Soviet doctrine. Soviet doctrine requiring an insane amount of combat power for it to work combined with the fact that the Soviets always assumed that they would be fighting under nuclear conditions which heavily influenced said doctrine. It is interesting though that during the 2010's, Russia did attempt pretty drastic changes in both modernization and tactical employment of its ground forces. This saw wild success during the Ukraine war in 2014-2015 with its use of battalion tactical groups (BTG)'s effectively curb stomping a major component of the Ukrainian army. Especially during the battle of Debaltseve. But since the laughable underestimation of Ukrainian resistance at the start of the war with its ensuing escalation to large fronts combined with industrial drone usage with yet to be seen effective countermeasures to them, Russia has pretty much resorted to just old school attrition based "bleed them slowly" tactics.
>>65152255Yes, and NATO was also dealing with a meat grinder ground war in Europe. Clancy and Larry Bond wargamed the scenario for DotV 3 times with using Harpoon.
>>65153569The BTG structure was a stopgap meant to Frankenstein low readiness units together into something resembling functional infantry battalions with accompanying support assets.They did their job effectively in Early-Ukraine and Syria when Russia only limited quantities of high-readiness forces, against irregulars and typical soviet style low-readiness forces, but it failed to actually reform the Russian Military into a high-readiness force. Ukraine wasn't limited as much by bloat, hence was able to far more effectively mobilize its military.Meanwhile, the BTG structure fell apart through attrition against a mobilized, high readiness force, with the capacity to relatively rapidly reinforce and recuperate its units. The BTGs were not meant to engage in sustained combat operations. Not knocking your post, but as far as I know, it's misleading to act like BTGs were going to save the Russian Military, when they were never more than a stopgap for "Special Military Operations".
>World in ConflictInvasion of Western Europe launched as a last ditch effort to hold the Soviet Union together amidst an economic collapse. The invasion bogs down after initial successes, and the Soviets attempt to get the US to withdraw troops from Europe by invading Seattle and the PNW via unmarked civilian container ships. Despite catching the US almost entirely by surprise (somehow), logistical challenges and civilian resistance attrit Soviet forces as they attempt to push out of Washington state. The main bulk of Soviet forces are destroyed attempting to push through a mountain pass to an American military base hosting the Strategic Defense Initiative when the Americans detonate a tactical nuke to defend it. Remaining Soviet forces fall back to Seattle in an attempt to hold out for reinforcements, but are ultimately overwhelmed.Overall bretty gud, but requires a massive leap to get the US invasion to make any sense.>EndwarIn the near future America and the European Federation deploy a joint satellite-based missile defense system that in trials renders ICBMs obsolete. Despite global protests the US moves forward with the Freedom Star, a space station armed with rods-from-God kinetic weapons that upsets the power balance. Russia, meanwhile, having regained superpower status due to a massive oil crisis, performs various false flag attacks that further increase tensions between the US and the EF, while planting false evidence that the EF was behind the terrorist attacks. US attempts some black ops shit, before Russia hacks one of the missile defense platforms to shoot down an American crewed space launch. The US declares war on Europe, with Russia following suit. The US calls Russia on it's opportunistic bullshit and a three-way war is waged.Eh, it's not the worst but it has to handwave a ton of things to make it work. Russia has to perform multiple espionage escapades perfectly to line things up.
>Combat Mission: Black Sea (while in development, pre-2014)Russia invades Crimea>Combat Mission: Black Sea (launch, 2014)Ukraine announces an intent to join NATO. Alarmed by the possibility of another NATO neighbor, losing any hope of gaining the disputed territories in the East, and by fighting in the Donetsk region, Russia invades Ukraine. NATO forces follow immediately afterwards to secure Ukraine's independence. Base game includes the following three campaigns:The Shield of Kyiv – Ukrainian motorized brigade defends on the outskirts of the capital.Task Force 3-69 – US troops under NATO auspices counterattack Russian vanguards near Kyiv.Crossing the Dnieper – Russian forces attempt to cross the Dnipro River.About as close to a 10/10 as you can get, only let down by Western timidity IRL.
>>65153658Cool ak.
>>65153701Also let down by the devs completely failing to predict the equipment. All of the us inf in that game have thermal scopes and 40mm hedp grenades that can destroy any russian armor + all crew + all dismounts in 1 hit. Also they only have the t-72 russian tank and no t-90's or t-80's except t-90m
>>65153658I implied BTG's as a shift away from Soviet doctrine as the way in which they were utilized, both in terms of force structure and command and control began to mirror that of western doctrine. They were a stopgap, but a stopgap to transition to a new force structure. But since the Russians still rely heavily on conscripts and not contract soldiers, they are unable to get the manpower they need to actually do that. Especially with the invasion as most motor rifle battalions straight up only had like a squad worth of infantry with most of the BMP's and BTR's being just crewmembers. It's actually insane to me that the Russians actually went through with the invasion at the time they did. Either time was running out for them or they drastically underestimated how the Ukrainians would respond. I genuinely think the Russians just assumed the Ukrainians wouldn't even resist or that there would just be some pockets here and there. I honestly think the Russians assumed they could drive straight into Kiev without a fight because holy shit that initial invasion force was not an invasion force. It was a fucking parade force.
>>65152269>domestic political dramaReading the timeline that's in the game; by the time of the oil war, pretty much every faction is a military police state with millions already being dead from pandemics and famine. I also giggled when reading about Venezuela and how the US fucked up trying to take it and just made a DMZ in central America. I also really like the areas you fight in. Rather than the same old boring eastern European areas, you push through Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and hook west into southern Russia then north towards Moscow. So you get arguably the most aesthetic theatres of war.>desert wasteland>desert/forest wasteland>long forgotten towns spread throughout>fucking cosmodrome's >Moscow with tactical nukes detonating all around itAbsolute cinema. Still pissed we never got a sequel and I'm sure if THQ Nordic does a remake it will be pure dogshit.
>>65153751>40mm HEDP is pretty standard for grenadiers combined with the fact that armor on BTR's and BMP's are really just there for protection against small caliber rifle rounds and shrapnel from mortars and distant artillery. The Soviets loved their high speed glass cannons with cover being from the fact that by the time a motor rifle unit showed up, the target would've already been blasted by artillery for like an hour so they never really expected that much contact with what little remaining being dealt with by blasting an unholy amount of 125mm HE and 30mm autocannon fire.
>>65153940Don't know why I greentexted that, I'm gaye.
>>65152068technically this is a /pol/ question"realistically" as in "what would would actually happen" is 2 major powers stepping on each others toes in over some neutral territory and immediately going "oh shit, I forgot about Nukes, I dont wanna use those" and both fucking off, I dont remember but I think Battlefield 2 was like that with NATO and chinaarguably the entire coldwar was WW3, proxies in backwater shitholes, which would make like the last 25 years WW4 if you count that
>>65153014not for the cheap crap it gets wasted on, which its only wasted on because its cheap
>>65153701The old forum dev chat and the manual introduction are always fun reads about when your project gets cursed.https://community.battlefront.com/topic/112866-status-update-on-black-sea/https://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/CombatMissionBlackSea/CM%20Black%20Sea%20Manual.pdfAnd then they had the merger and got on Steam just in time for things to go hot again.>>65153751There was a lot of building to what people said they were going to have by then. The T-80 was pretty limited in Russian service prior to the great stockpile plundering, but my favorite has to be>t-90mNo, that's the T-90AM, which was supposed to have a bustle autoloader for their next-gen APFSDS rounds. Yeah, that definitely happened...
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>>65152241Because the alternative would be fucking boring. Red dawn wouldn't have nearly the same impact and gravitas if it was just scenes of a bunch of Colorado teenagers watching news reels of smoking T72s clogging the fulda gap; so it was narratively expedient to let them get significantly further.
>>65153015By the 80s it pretty much was a joke. They were behind on everything. The typical American grocery store had better inventory management computers than the Soviet military.
>>65152068MW2's take on it was terrible because the only way it was possible for Russia to even attack was for all of Europe to ignore all of their fleets crossing their borders to attack the US. Even with the false flag there's no way all of NATO just throws their hands up in the air.
>>65154529Oh no its even more retarded than than, turns out that at the same time they were invading the US they were already chewing through Germany, not stoping until at least half of France is taken when they got the russian president to call off the war
>>65152097yeah?>>65152095>Threads.heavily influenced by soviet disinformation and their front group the campaign for nuclear disarmament the kgb pysop nuclear winter is even included in it
>>65152068>What's the most realistic portrayal of a WW3 scenario in media?covid lockdown
>>65153015>the Soviet Union had technology parity for the bulk of the Cold Warthey did not have toilet paper and were stuck on valve technology, Russia still has no electronics industry of note>>65153015>the T72 was better than all of themsays who? You?
>>65152173It was always bullshit, even back then. The entire story only works if the US based all of their intelligence network on a single satellite and that the US navy a and airforce no longer exist.
>>65152068Russian Civil War with more incompetence and buttrape.
>>65154563>nah bro, the UK, the tiny island that constantantly rains and is at the ass end of the jetstream TOTALLY wouldnt be fucked and raped by enviromental fallout from a nuclear strike, thats just soviet propaganda
>>65154557No, that's MW3. Europe let them through because Makarov framed the US for the airport massacre, and then when the Russian army got its shit pushed in on the eastern seaboard, he shot down not!Putin's jet and told him at gunpoint that he wasn't trying hard enough and they needed to drop gas all over europe, too.
>>65152068Metro series.>Arabs and Israel are chimping out, wiping each other out with nukes.>Nuclear powers panic, started throwing nukes at each other. No military operations or invasions.
>>65154652Read my post moron. Nuclear winter is horseshit. Thread prominently fetures nuclear disarmament propaganda. There was huge Russian influence in UK media, trade unionism and politics at the time. Threads is a very good example. Go look up CND and the greenham common women.
>>65152241welp, the MIC has to somehow go on and get a paycheck...
>Freedom FightersAn example of a game that starts off with a decent premise but keeps getting weirder the longer it goes on: The USSR gets the nuclear bomb before the US, nuking Berlin in early 1945 and becoming the world's primary superpower. By the mid-50s all of Europe has been absorbed into the Communist Bloc, while Soviet nuclear missiles are set up in Cuba in 1961. Most of South America falls to gommunism over the next few decades, with the Soviets invading the US in 2003. An underground militia operating out of the New York sewer system attrits Soviet forces, culminating with the assassination of the Soviet general overseeing the entire invasion. It is then revealed that the leader of the resistance was actually a KGB Colonel, who was using the resistance to undermine the General in charge and thus secure his promotion to replace him. Despite the loss of their primary base of operations, the resistance manages to push Soviet forces out of New York.
>>65154597>projecting modern propaganda onto historyIs this fun for you?
