15 of these things at $17,000,000,000 each.
>>65153576>gas and diesel poweredNo. We've been stuffing nukes in shit for years, the fucking soviets managed it with the Kirovs, we're gonna have NUCLEAR BBs and fuck anyone that says otherwose.
>>65153583They're already being designed with nuke reactors in mind, but I also doubt that a post-trump presidency would allow the vessel to actually be built
>>65153609>post-trump presidency>implying they'll be oneI've said this before and I'll say it again. Donald Trump will either be one of the greatest American presidents or he will be one of the last. He will either be remembered as a savior of the Republic, or the one who brought it all crashing down.
>>65153636Stop being a hyperbolic woman you fuckimg faggot
>>65153576And not a single dollar to your welfare, approved.
>>65153583>No. We've been stuffing nukes in shit for years, the fucking soviets managed it with the Kirovs, we're gonna have NUCLEAR BBs and fuck anyone that says otherwose.Going to cost more. To build, to maintain, to crew and to eventually decommission. Kirovs are such great example of this kind of ship as template. 6 planned, 5 started building, 4 commissioned and only one of those anywhere close to planned utilization. Three spent most of their careers in mothballs. Very few ship classes in history have achieved so much expenses as Kirov-class battle cruisers while providing so little capability.Nuclear propulsion has one huge merit. US successful foreign policy effort, epic golden age of diplomacy is fast closing forward basing opportunities for US warships, logistics assets such as fleet oilers or replenisment ships and forward deployed supply storage sites for ammunition and fuel. At unprecedented speed and lot of long time security policy experts, all kinds of people from diplomats and retired admirals to even former secretaries of defense are stuck by awe and very impressed.
>>65153937Orange and Apples. Soviet reactors and ships in general were ticking time bombs. Their maintenance standards were nothing short of abysmal and their QC and safety standards would make any western shipyard have a fucking conniption. The budget and industrial capacity were never there either so that's why they hyperspecialized in being a nuisance, even during the Brezhnev era when they geared their surface combatants to fling as many AShM at a flattop as possible, hoping against hope one would get through while also focusing heavily in SSK & SSN.In contrast the USN did and continues to be a worldwide policing force. The Don class only needs to be the arsenal ship the USN always pranced around, that's utility enough. Just being the implicit threat that a small country GDP's worth of ordnance can and will smack you on the forehead should you decide to go against US interests.In any case, if the meme railgun and the integrated AI data center are ever going to work, a pair of reactors is a must.
>>65153636He will go down as the most retarded and corrupt president.
>>65154137Trump’s an inept, retard kiddie diddler, but he’s right about Iran being an islamofascist, terrorist-ridden hell pit.
>>65153636Lmao you are such a faggot
>>65154149(You) need to be deported.
>>65154178Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>65154178>he hates Islam, the brownest religion?! HE MUST BE A JEWHow much izzat is that worth?
>>65154187Every president we have had is anti-iran, even Obama, who wanted to deescalate shit in the ME to prevent more senseless American death, this all goes against Israel, hence why he is getting the shit stick rn.
>>65154196>blah blah blah Iran is good because Israel is badBrown brown and browner.
>>65154199 all semetics/sand monkeys are bad, it is regretable that we suck off Israel so much, becuase they have fucked us much longer and harder than Iran ever could. Our greatest ally is the entire reason Iran is such a pain in the ass now anyways. >/k/ - Politically Incorrect
>>65154211>becuase they have fucked us much longer and harder than Iran ever could. Our greatest ally is the entire reason Iran is such a pain in the ass now anyways.Either brown or unironically gets his takes from a hispanic glowie.
>>65154211>IRAN IS LE HECKIN GOOD GUYIslam is bad 100% of the time, my brown as shit friend.
>>65154217kill yourself
>>65154221>islamist responds with the desire for the death of othersTimeless classic.
>>65154217>>65154220>all semetics>all sand monkeys >anons think this somehow this excludes totally white persian ubermenschIf bait, >>65154221Otherwise, I sincerely hope you get BTFO before the thread is pruned.I wonder if all the replies are the same IDF anon.
>>65154235Isnt fuentes live rn or something? Is there literally nothing else for you to do other than shit up /k/?
>>65154239You have nothing better to do than troll, and I have nothing better to do than reply to your shitposts. >isn't fuentes liveI hate that tranny fucking brownie fag. I guess you ought to know though anon, arguing on 4chan afterall.
>>65154235>le IDF!Yeah no one would ever hate Islam on their own lol
>>65154211Iran is our enemy because we fucked them over with the Shah. They're anti-Israel because they're Arabs who never got their shit pushed in by Israel like the rest of the region. Brownoids have to learn the hard way but by the time they had their revolution the lessons being handed out wholesale were over.
>>65154137What in the fuck is this retard even blabbering about? Can someone translate this from MAGAnese please?(I can't believe I voted for this fucking orange nigger in 2016)
>>65153609>They're already being designedLol>with nuke reactors in mindLmao.We're at the ask chat gpt for concept art stage of design, because everyone knows those retarded things wont outlast the Trump administration.
>>65154498I think it roughly translates to >*GHLUK GHLUK GLUK* "Is that good mr netayahu? *GHLUK GHLUK* will you tell daddy Rothschild that I've been a good boy for him? *GHLUK GHLUK GHLUK*
>>65153636Trump will not be able to save your shitty corrupt prison of nations, Ivan. Now go and die quietly.
>>65153576The technical aspect alone is beyond retarded>'Battleship', but with fuckhuge flightdeck for V-22sOK, but why?>30mm guns and 5" gusn in retarded places with extremely limited firing arcsI know guns are sort of an afterthought, but still maybe use this concept of CENTERLINE ARMAMENT so you can, you know, actually shoot that gun at enemies no matter where they are?If you want to impress the orange man, tell him a US BB 'invented' that concept.>Lasers in even more retarded placeThe fucking point defense lasers placed as low as possible, in a recess between the fore and aft islands? That is French predreadnought battleship tier weapon placement.Or they're just trolling at this point.>laughable number of VLS cellsJust why. On that fuckhuge hull, just plan for 150 cells.>12x CPS missiles OK, nice, but we all know that volume will turn into more VLS cells long before that ship is ever finished.>railgunCool concept, but why don't we use that volujme for more VLS cells, and the power for more lasers?Just about the only really good idea is the elctronics suite, the compute power and C4i capability to manage future uncrewed systems.The lasers might be cool if they were in a place where they could actually shot at things, instead of being le epic broadside mounted lazor cannonspic vaguely related, I guess
>>65154134>>65154137Gtfo back to /pol/, brown filth.
>>65154199Why do you present these retarded false dichotomies? They're so dumb they're almost non sequitars. Trump is not a good guy and he's not good for America. Iran is a shithole run by islamo fascist assholes. Pointing this out doesn't make me brown or a jew or whatever else you want to call me to try and derail just and fair criticism of the worst president America's ever had.these can both be true.
>>65154599stfu retard, Trump did better with latinos and blacks than any other republican in history, Trump is THE brown president, and the white people who voted for him have the souls of third worlders - you would have to to vote for a populist turdie strong man like him - even one generation ago Americans were too smart to fall for tricks like his
>>65154651/pol/ isa really mad about... something? I don't even know anymore. I think the collapse of MAGA and the collapse of Russia's military campaign has sent a few of them completely screeching mental and they just don't know why they're mad anymore.
>>65154657There's gonna be so much trooning out as /pol/cucks mindbreak entirely in 2027, when Russia retreats from Ukraine entirely and Trump loses the midterms and has to face a vengeful democrat congress.I wonder why people do that, you can see it so often. It's like after suffering ego death many many autists start to reinvent themselves as women to cope.
>>65154668Wait, incel slave is from India.. Can't be real.
>>65154685You have no idea how deep the rabbithole goes.It's nothing but paid shills in some thirdie callcenter, spamming shitty I-love-Russia/China/Palestine/Iran BS between scamcalls to grannies in Florida, and garnished with actual anti-white propaganda.I wish I was making this shit up.
>>65153576$17B for 28 VLS?
>>65154740What the US Navy actually needs are cheap corvettes and frigattes to not waste $$$ on flag showing deployments instead of putting even more eggs in a single basket or Ratte tank equivalents.
>>65154137>He will go down as the most retarded and corrupt president.Hes absolutely fantastic, he turned America into a reality TV liveshow where he insults foreign heads of state every day (much deserved insults too). I just cant stop laughing.
>Hes absolutely fantastic, he turned America into a reality TV liveshow where he insults foreign heads of state every day (much deserved insults too). I just cant stop laughing.
>>65153583Not only are they not going to cost $17 billion each but being nuclear powered means much of their operational cost is up front as they never have to be fueled.
>>65154740Anon stop pretending to be retarded.
>>65154859>Hes absolutely fantasticI love it.
>>65154778>not waste $$$ on flag showing deployments iI say fund 1 BBN and let it be the decoy to draw all enemy fire, while the rest of the Navy does the real work. FOR THE HONOR OF THE REGIMENT!
>>65153636How do you do my fellow Jew?
>>65155035https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump-class_battleshipwiki says 128 but pic says 28
>>65154778It also needs mass transport ships for island hopping and the required things to protect them. Ain't happening. Trump's ship will, eventually, just be cancelled like a gorillion of other things that get cancelled.
>>65154824Humor is how I've been coping as well. I always say "at least he's the funniest president we've had"
>>65155206Because that specific graphic is missing the 1.
>>65155236Please do continue to seethe at being put in your place.
>>65154595>OK, but why?It's also a command ship, so it's worthwhile to be able to accommodate large vertical lift aircraft from the various services like the Osprey, Cheyenne, or King Stallion.>weapon positionsThe image is purely notional and it's unlikely the final design will look like this.>Just why. On that fuckhuge hull, just plan for 150 cells.It has 128 Mk.41 cells and 12 GVLS cells, OP edited the image because he's a faggot.>OK, nice, but we all know that volume will turn into more VLS cells long before that ship is ever finished.The GVLS cells are capable of quad packing PAC-3 MSE and possibly SM-2 while standard Mk.41 cells can only single pack PAC-3 MSE or SM-2. With that in mind, GVLS is actually denser for air defense than Mk.41. It's less dense for land attack since TLAM can only be single packed, but this is where the added capability of Dark Eagle comes in.
I think you mean:>1 of these things at prototype for a cost of $100,000,000,000 in contractor fees without ever settling on a design because of political fuckery>the prototype has engine issues and can't use its intended armaments >the Arleigh Burke sails on
>>65153576>USV manipulators typed this
>>65153576>a kirov USSR nuclear powered battlecruiser with a Trump label slapped onI don't like it.
>>65155292Yes we know your opposition is based on Orange Man Bad.
>>65155273>It's also a command shipOK yes, a large helo deck is not a huge flaw by itself, and it doubles as a place for crew to stretch their legs etc.Maybe they can launch UAVs from there, idk. But an air wing means a shitload of people, and it gives you the capability of an extremely small helo carrier. On your battleship.>The image is purely notional and it's unlikely the final design will look like this.So they genned up an image to please the orange man? An auspicious start for a USN procurement.It'll be in service in no time, just like the frigates. Trust me bro.Just like the Zumwalts, and the super modular LCS, and the frigates.>The GVLS cells are capable of quad packing PAC-3 MSELike I said. Turns into more VLS space.>possibly SM-2, future land attack capabilitiesSo the capabilities are in flow, not fixed, 'we are still working on it'see>>65155278for what this means.>128 Mk.41 cells and 12 GVLS cells, SK put 100 cells on a hull 1/3rd the size. Think about this.>OP edited the image because he's a faggot.Figures.
>>65153636>this doompostingnah, in three years people will quietly whitewash any involvement they had with him, and pretend like nobody really knew just how bad things were because of 'bad analysts' or 'complacent advisors'. that they 'covered up' just how bad his brain had melted. that playbook didn't start with biden and it ain't ending with trump
>>65153636>or the one who brought it all crashing down.This is already set in stone.
>>65153576>>65153583See >>65153609The Trump-class will go the way of the Montanas and Stalingrads, never leaving the slipway.
>>65155316It's a dumb idea regardless of whether you like Trump or not.
>>65154685>incel slave is from India.. Can't be real.>>>> Anonymous 05/14/26(Thu)06:27:42No.65154720▶>File: account based in.webmNo....no, it tracks.
>>65155387baseball huh?
>>65154595>OK, but why?Because Obama's battleship the Zumwalt (which everyone is saying is gay, the admirals and generals come to me and they all tell me Obama's ship was gay) couldn't fit the V-2 "Ocean spray" helicopter. Admiral Daryl Caudle , they're calling him "Mr. Navy", said that Biden specifically ordered him not to put the V-2 on the Trump-class. I asked him why and Daryl Navy said that it was because Biden needed room for autopens. I told him to put a great big plane garage on it, the biggest garage anyone's ever seen, and fill it full of stealth helicopter jets. Daryl Admiral saluted me and said yes sir, Mr. President. Then I asked him if they could put lasers on the boat. Mr. Navy said no one had ever thought of putting a laser on a boat before but that it was such a good idea he'd make sure the navy scientists got on it right away. Look at the curtains I've picked out for the ships. People are saying they're the best curtains. That's why they're making the ship's garage have glass doors, so there will be more curtains.
>>65155316>'it's feces with a Trump label slapped on'>yum yum!
>>65155292It's actually worse than a Kirov lol. At least the Kirovs had giant 7-ton Granit AsHMs while the Trump class has about as many VLS cells as a ship 1/3 the size.
>>65155327>But an air wing means a shitload of people,It has facilities for two aircraft, just like a Burke. It just happens to be two larger aircraft. They don't necessarily have to be though, it could just be a luxurious place to wrench on two UH-60s.>So they genned up an image to please the orange man?I don't know why you would expect a proposal to represent the final design. The whole point of the proposal is to request money to design the ship. >Like I said. Turns into more VLS space.So your complaint is that the VLS will turn into VLS? I don't understand what you're trying to say.>So the capabilities are in flow, not fixed, 'we are still working on it'It's being designed to support new missiles that will be entering service later this year. The size of the cells could also in theory accommodate denser packaging of older missiles if they decide that it's worth developing that capability. I have no clue if that's something they are or will be interested in, I'm just saying it's possible.>SK put 100 cells on a hull 1/3rd the size. Think about this.We already have 96 cells on a hull 1/3 the size, it's called the Arleigh Burke. It's a great ship for what it is, but we're seeing many of its limitations with the situation in Hormuz, and we will see a different set of limitations if we end up in a war with China.There's more to a warship than VLS cells, and in addition to the Ticonderoga, the BBG-1 class will almost certainly be replacing the Blue Ridge class, which displaces 20,000 tons and has, wait for it, ZERO vls cells.
>>65153576these will never ever be built. it's just a big vanity design project to appease Trump. these are Russia levels of retardation.
>>65153609Yeah, these are definitely getting shitcanned.
>>65154178Shut the fuck up, communist faggot.
>>65155327>So they genned up an image to please the orange man?The term you're looking for is "concept art" or "artist's impressions"
>>65154077We already have AB's and SSGNs are you retarded
>>65155559We don't need 7 ton AShMs to turn the PLAN into the world's largest artificial reef. Survivability and damage control are symbols of western decadence, they'd rather cram in more VLS cells.
>>65155357You wouldn't be against it if Trump was not associated with it.
>>65155559I like how you had to omit the other missiles a Kirov has in order to make it sound better armed than a Trump BBGN.
>>65153576>$17,000,000,000 eachFor now
>>65153636>in this moment, I feel euphoric
>>65155913Only for the lead ship due to spending on industry.
>>65155885This is what migats actually believe about everything.
