Pre-modern Muslims conquered North Africa, West Asia, eastern Europe, and bullied India for centuries. Now they can only win through forever wars where they take a bajillion casualties or just pay the Americans to fight wars for them. What happened?
Are they? When's the last time anyone actually won a war against them?
>>65156097golda meir was right, as long as they see their children as disposable, there will be war.
>>65156097>letting your wife and kids in the urban areas suck foreigner cock for 20 years while you drink your own piss in mountain caves>winning
>>65156108The US is no longer in control of Afghanistan while the Taliban is. Make fun of them all you want, their strategy worked, they won.
>>65156101Turns out that people fighting a war for survival use child soldiers. Who would have thought?
>>65156097>>65156109that's covered under "forever wars where they take a bajillion casualties". did you even read the OP?
>>65156114Who cares? They have a bajililion casualties to take and infinite patience so they will inevitably always win. You can't beat someone who never surrenders.
Read the fucking book.
>>65156109Winning is when a side has a choice and make something happen. The Taliban never had a choice and they didn't force any outcome.
>>65156111the germans must have done it wrong
>>65156119yeah, but taking a bajililion casualties doesn't make you good at war. in fact I'd argue that it's the exact opposite.
>>65156127>don't do anything >winHow does one do this?
>>65156133ask trump
>>65156133By living in a cave and determining to keep that cave. You can actually do it right now, anon.
>>65156137I mean, he did have to molest some kids and put his favorite bottom bitch in a minimum security camp for helping him molest said kids. That's a bit more than others.
>>65156109That Taliban died in year 1 retard.
>>65156133>get mugged, beaten and raped>the attacker saunters away whistling>but actually I won ^_^~Anon that's called Stockholm syndrome.
They never surrender and don't give a shit about using anything they can to win (child soldiers, innocents as shields, suicide bombers etc). It may be uncivilized, but it works.
>>65156101>>65156111This is also the reason why the strongest military on earth struggles with this region and its insurgents. The United States, to actually subdue cultures like this, would need to adopt the total war attitude it did against the Japanese in World War 2 where it brutally firebombed Japanese civilians endlessly and dropped the two most destructive weapons at that point in time on their heads. You can't win a war while holding back against somebody who's going medieval on you. Of course Americans can't do this because they're soft bitches, and even the "war crimes" they cry about committing in the Middle East like waterboarding terrorists pale to what their enemies who mutilate US captured troops and/or burn them alive do.Israel would do a better job of subduing the Taliban if it was in America's shoes, because the Israelis have the same Bronze Age sandnig mentality the Taliban has and literally give no fucks about murdering tons of civilians and breaking every rule of the Geneva Conventions for a couple acres of land.
>>65156155>anon shares his homosexual rape fantasy to cope with the fact that the United Shabbos Goyim of America got ran out of Afghanistan by a bunch gay towel heads Can Amerimutts keep thier sodomization fantasies to themselves?
>>65156109>they won>getting bombed by pakis
>>65156130Winning makes you good at war, and muslims always win
>>65156194kadyrov is the real russian power
>>65156194why are you glazing muslims?
>>651560972003>but muh insurgencyHappened because the Iraqi army was soundly beaten (again) and their government dismantled.
>>65156397I'm not glazing muslims, I'm shitting on Americans for thinking they can win
>>65156424by glazing muslims
>>65156109>Germany won WW1 & 2
>>65156462ultimatey, muslims won germany, much of former west germany is on its way to majority muslim demographic. hitler was an admirer of islam.
>>65156161I've always said you have to go absolutely medieval when it comes to an insurgent war
They're the most effeminate men in the world, of course they suck at war.
Well they're kicking America and Israel's asses now. So I guess they stepped it up. Drones and ballistic missles are holding off the big super power. The landscape is the biggest weapon in iran.
>>65156645>drag on a pointless low-intensity war long enough for the American public to become bored of it.They stole it from Clausewitz
>>65156645>they're kicking America and Israel's asses nowThat's ridiculous.
>>65156630Israel has gone absolutely medieval in every insurgent war they've fought and they've lost every insurgent war they've fought.
>>65156109>they won>they literally restarted opium trade and went to war against Pakistan>they are getting raped and no one is helping them
>>65156147>he did molest some kids>the files and FBI said he didn't>"b-but the redacteddd"Trump was right, the normies are too stupid to handle the files despite it got released
Because their enemies engage them with a level of expected and provided civility.When you're dealing with an ant infestation you don't limit yourself to the soldiers and the ants that come out of the colony, you kill everything as thoroughly as possible. Because the ants only have survival as their win condition, and they aren't human, they won't toss their mandibles up and say "hey ok we'll change our ways and stop chewing up your walls". Mudslimes, and indeed most of the third world, are the same. They do not engage with the civility and rationale expected of ww1+2-influenced nations, and the gap between the limits civil countries place on themselves and the level at which the muslims operate is what they abuse until the occupiers leave due to domestic issues.Tldr if you play chess with a pigeon your strategies won't matter because it will shit on the board and think itself the victor for surviving.
>>65156724What is Pakistan doing right?
>>65156735Well, for starter, they started shit by funding Taliban. But now they knew that Taliban hated them so they start to bomb the shit out of them so there's that
>>65156735keeping their ambitions realistic within the bounds of their inbred iq
>>65156094You could say this for every culture since pre-history. Why are the Greeks and Italians bad at war now? Why are the British and French mid at war now? Why are the Mongols irrelevant now? History is like a flat tire. It goes around slowly and wobbles a lot. The US is top right now but that can and will change sooner or later. Empires have risen and fall before. It will happen again.
>>65156094they spend to much time on praying and too little time on thinkingthey are inbredthey have no cultural roots with innovation, production and science the only thing they are good at is pretending, scamming, oppressing and nepotismthey are primitive parasites.islam was created by semites like judaism and is its retarded brother.
>>65156630the soviets annihilated entire villages and everyone inside them and they still lost.
>>65156094They are too low trust to share knowledge between their disciplines anymore. Someone is or either has posted "Why Arabs Lose at Wars" innathread to elaborate. >>65156097Iran is pushing their shit pretty hard right now even with direct US assistance.
>>65156730Nice cope, but we still lost in Afghanistan, Iraq, and are currently losing against Iran.
>>65156397Everyone loves an underdog
>>65156770>we
Muslims had only 2 moments to shine militarily in history>early Islamic conquests>Turkic takeover
>>65156808That's two more than americans still
>>65156811Being ignorant isn't as cute as you think it is
>>65156111Shut up Big Boss
>>65156108As far as Im aware, Afghan and Iraqi girls were kept home all day in burqas. There were whores, just not as many as in Vietnam
>>65156161>Israel would do a better job of subduing the Taliban if it was in America's shoes, because the Israelis have the same Bronze Age sandnig mentality the Taliban has and literally give no fucks about murdering tons of civilians and breaking every rule of the Geneva Conventions for a couple acres of land.Utter horseshit, the Soviet Union tried slaughtering millions of Afghans and still couldnt beat the Mujahideen. Albeit they had to deal with the Western World and the Islamic World arming and funding the rebels, but the point still stands. Israel still couldnt destroy Hamas or subdue the Gaza Strip, and right now theyre getting blitzed by Hezbollah drones while only managing to seize a few inroads south of the Litani River.
>>65156770The US lost in Afghanistan but not Iraq. They still maintain bases in Iraq.Of course, that will probably be undone by the Iran war, which the US will almost certainly lose.
>>65156111No they don't, using child soldiers is an anti-survival tactic. Only terrorists use child soldiers.
>>65156845Oh fuck off. European armies and the US fielded teenage soldiers for the better part of the 20th century.
>>65156730Churchill was right. Gas them.
>>65156101>Kill their children>"Why do they see their children as disposable"
>>65156094Cargo cult forced on them by Western advisors, reinforced by mysterious magic weapons like cruise missiles. Their minds are literally incompatible with modern styles of war and should have been allowed to continue in the vast horde fashion, powered by rape and pillage. The Rashidun caliphs would be disgusted by modern Arabs for abandoning their true strength in simply overwhelming foreign armies and refusing to fight unless the smartest men of their generation were absolutely confident in victory.
>>65156133>Hide on a cave until the americans decide to leave >kill the handful of low morale, haphazardly equipped and poorly organized prop gov militia they left behind Talibans are vasically human cockroaches
>>65156854>child soldiers >BUTWHATABOUT nineTEEN years olds they're teens you see habibi!
>>65156767Real OOKOOK has never been tried.
>>65156864Read a book about WW1Then read a book about WW2.Really, read any book at all you complete fucking retard. Even in Vietnam, America ended up fielding soldiers as young as 15.
>>65156194>Winning makes you good at warCategorically and demonstrably false.
>>65156890>lying to recruiters about your age to get into the military is the same as making real kids go to warNigger please, stop being subhuman.
>>65156094>What happened?they got triple-teamed by the Crusaders, Mongols, and infighting; and never caught up with Western European firearms techbefore then they did indeed have massive empires>>65156108>thinking the muds actually care for their wife and kidsas the yakuza say, those are just teppodama
>>65156094Militaries mirror the societies and states that create them. Muslim countries are poorer and have less institutional cohesion, as they haven't undergone the liberal social changes that Europe has in the last 300+ years. The way that Islam is embedded into politics and law in most of the Muslim world makes social change difficult and slow, because to attempt to reform opens one up to accusations of being irreligious and immoral. It compounds as well, as the weaker and poorer a country is, the more likely it is to retreat into religious conservatism as a coping mechanism for its failures.
>>65156094As long as war revolved around grabbing a bunch of mates and relatives from your clan, jumping on horses and charging in screaming and waving a sword, certain in the knowledge that paradise awaited you after death, muslims were great. As soon as warfare evolved to needing to be disciplined, hold a line while men around you dropped and advance AND STOP advancing on order, muslims started to lose ground. also twelve centuries of inbreeding on an epic scale will take a toll eventually. Also muslim expansion was almost always driven by new converts. So >Old muslims conquer new territory>Convert the inhabitants>Old muslims become inbred and indolent>The new muslims conquer new territory for their now indolent and inbred masters>New muslims overthrow old muslims and become the masters>New muslims convert the inhabitants to become even newer muslims>New muslims become inbred and indolent
>>65156194Winning by your enemy thinking you're too retarded to fix and get tired of killing you is hardly winning.
>>65156932>greentextactually makes a lot of sense
>>65156109their strategy was "wait in their pakistan cuckshed until the US gives up trying to get their fellow afghans to run a functional state"this isn't really indicative of military genius so much as just afghan incompetence
>>65156857you skipped a necessary ingredient>promote an ideology glorifying the death of one's own children
>>65156094Pro tip: the ancients were lying niggers and were never great for the most part. Arabs had either africans or Mongol Rape Horde dregs to fight, of ocurse they managed to beat them sometimes.
>>65156857Anon, they literally have a martyrdom complex so strong that they are fully willing to send their own sons to unceremonious deaths just to scuff a Jew's shoes.
>>65157162>Refusing to ever give up and live as a slave is actually le cringeDo you kikes really think you're convincing anyone with this slop?
>>65157311>le slaveryDying so the Imam can make apperances like that gassing up your corpse as he fucks your kids is a special kind of freedom I guess
