there has gotta be a better way than to send infantry into kill zones and hoping for the best
>>65157719Name 5
>>65157719When you become a matriarchal society like Russia, this is the only way you can fight.
>>65157724>napalm>napalm>napalm>napalm>napalmI'd delve in to the details but they'll all just end up as >napalmit's the palm oil of war
>>65157719Yeah for sure, but that would take initiative to change things and if you want to make your boss look like a retarded imbecile in front of his superiors by mentioning itWell...You'll get to see those missions up real close and personal, unless of course you want to make a complaint to HR down in that hole.
>>65157741pit zigger is afraid to leave his pit
>>65157719How is that infantryman supposed to reach the shit on his back, is that for someone else?
>>65158020The buddy system is a pretty general concept for militaries
>SEAD>Air Supremacy>wave of grounds and air drones>infantry follow up
>>65158240too expensive, too fragile and too tech heavylow-hi mix too much on high.>interchangable recon >arty prep>infantry with man portable bulletproof drone centers of assault,as cheap as possiblethis would probably be reliableit changes if you've just declared war and not ran out of ammo and planes yet>tank blitz>air campaign>tac nukes>paratroop assault>amphibious assault>oppositional political revolution
>>65157719Drone + accurate firepower
>>65158240Why have infantry follow up at all? Make the ground drones solar powered and they can occupy the position indefinitely. Send a flying drone to resupply the ammo from time to time. No need for weak meatbags.
>>65158541>Why have infantry follow up at all?To solidify gains basically.
>>65157741teh call sign thing is really weird. is it a translations thing or do they go yea im Colonel John Tuturro call sign Brappybear. its weird.
>>65158584>Colonel John Tuturro call sign Brappybear
>>65157741Does he die in the pit or do they wait and torture him until he agrees to go on the assault?
>>65158584I dunno, when I was in the military you got assigned your call-sign by your CO so he could remember which units you were running. But I don't know if Russians do that, Sort of hate to think what they'd call themselves in the field as Horsecock Bob and Screaming Rooster think they're the hottest shit in logistics the third world has ever seen.>>65158637It stays in the hole until moral improves again!
>>65158541Its not really yours until a man with a gun puts a flag up
>>65157719No. It’s not possible under the current circumstances of the war between Ukraine and russia.Infantry waves are effective.As long as you have enough men.
>>65157719that requires competent combined arms action and coordination. which are wectern coward tactics.
>>65159057>As long as you have enough men.Thats the problem though, both are running out.
>>65157719We need laser marines
>>65157719The recent Ukrainian gains came about through a huge amount of reconciliation over a specific area. That area was then flooded with drones, which were able to kill or suppress enemy drone teams, infantry, heavy equipment and provide a a live feed for intelligence gathering. Ukrainian motorised infantry was then able to clear out known enemy positions with minimal drone harassment. That being said, Russian drone teams are worse in terms of quality and doctrine. While they had caught up with the quality and quantity of drones themselves during 2025, that gap has now opened again, especially in the medium range.It should really be highlighted how shit Russia's infiltration tactics were. While it's true that it's the only thing that allowed them to take territory, it largely worked because of just how little manpower Ukraine has. Just imagine trying this against Germany alone, where they have more infantry and even more drone teams.
>>65157719Why doesn't Putin just go full Passchendaele in Ukraine? >1: Dig in >2: fire off a bajillion dumbfire artillery shells (cheap as fuck per shot)>3: fire off another few bajillion arty shells, just to make sure>4: advance, slowly, because there's no way that anything could have survived that months long bombardment>5: don't worry about step five.
>>65157740Don't you want air superiority for that?
>>65159784that's what they did at the beginning, then HIMARS and now medium range strike UAVs happened, now it's impossible to mass the ammo and guns necessary for that
>>65159811So Putin & co are genuinely fucked, as their only remaining choice is to go full on ChiCom human wave attacks - and they're pretty much already at the point where they're conscripting the old men and young boys.
>>65159784Like the other anon said, counter battery strikes are a bitch and western artillery is mobile and accurate enough to produce a very positive k/d ratio against old Soviet stock.
>>65159815Russia aren’t conscripting, they’re press ganging. Ultimately everyone fighting for them signed a contract to be there. This is an important point because when it looked like conscripts may have to fight there was significant political pressure on the kremlin from the population. If actual conscripts were made to fight without the contract song and dance then there is a very real chance of revolt within Russia.
>>65159830Russia technically has more dead millionaires per sq-km than any european country, that's got to be some kind of record
>>65159784>bajillion dumbfire artillery shellsProvided by whom, exactly?
They've tried every possible way already, they are just to incompetent to pull it off so small unit infiltration is all they have left.
>>65159784They did that at seveirodonestk and used all their artillery shells then lost artillery supremacy after 2 years.
>>65158659aren't first-world callsigns shit like bravo 1-2 or whatever? it just designates which unit and position you are. so bravo 1-2 would be bravo unit 1 position 2. and then bravo actual is the commander of all the bravo units.
>>65159836Poor bastards.
>>65157719digging in and freezing lines where ukraine is strongest, massing overwhelming air power in weak sectors and using laser and INS bombs that are accurate to cripple a sector mercilessly while also suppressing air defense. I just think they dont have the technology in their aircarft to achieve this (1980s America mastered this proved in Gulf 1) its pathetic really.
>>65159921Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe, 1980s America would have wiped them in 2022
>>65157719Ukrainians do it>extreme drone saturation on objective>+100 drones per target>mobile infantry rush as fast as possible and dig in>keep up drone saturation to deny any counter attacks>repeat
>>65159787no, you can do artillery based napalm
>>65159784>>65159870is "deep battle" comrade, please understand>>65159947this
>>65159944I know im saying we are ahead of Russia by like 40+ years they are too stupid to catch up to our old technology
>>65159973How is 'Deep Battle' anything more than 'Throw bodies at the problem until something breaks'? Has Tukachevsky stopped turning in his grave yet?
>>65159784Hard to saturate an area with artillery when most of your heavy guns have been lost in combat, you're suffering a serious shell shortage with no end in sight, and even attempting to set up artillery guns within range of their intended target just results in the guns getting droned before they can be brought into action.That last issue is compounded by the first issue, since much of russia's current artillery consists of ancient small-bore guns with short range, brought back from retirement to replaced the lost 152s and 203s.
>>65157741I see ziggers are blooming early this year, soil must be rich with nutrients
>>65159870>They did that at seveirodonestk and used all their artillery shells then lost artillery supremacy after 2 years. According to some reports, during the Sieverodonetsk-Lysychansk offensive, they were sometimes firing 20k shells (of all calibers) *per day*. That's an unsustainable rate of consumption.
>>65159883>Poor bastardsThey chose to be there. Ukraine is well within their rights to protest that decision.
>>65160101I've nothing but support for the Ukrainians defending their homes, but I'd question how many of the Russian conscripts have chosen to be there.
Seems like the Russians orchestrate battles to mimic the Somme 1916 for the British, which is a very strange template to follow
>>65159787>>65159949What about napalm drones?
>>65157741
>>65157719There is. Drones. For the first time in human history we've got FPVs capable of threatening infantry specific roles. FPVs can't replace infantry, but they can be successfully shitty substitutes for certain infantry jobs; which air power, tanks, nukes, etc could never do.
>>65160202they always only "surrender" when everyone around them is dead and they realize nobody's coming to get them, huh.not smart enough to surrender before the point of no return, not brave enough to die like a man. At least the suicideniki have the balls to go out on their own terms.
>>65160173Termite drones have been used for years now.
>>65160294>thermiteisn't that magnesium ? same shit used in the incendiary grad rockets ?
>>65157719>establish air superiorityIt's just that easy
>>65160203Like what, specifically?
>>65160294>TermiteThose look more like fire ants than termites, anon
>>65160224People have done that sort of thing for as long has been around, at this point it's probably animal instinct causing the same automatic behavior through the ages
>>65160446*as long as war has been around
>>65160362nono, you just have to feed the termites firewood first.
>>65160330The initial scouting.
>>65157719AI robots
>>65159201Ukraine is not.
>>65159996>How is 'Deep Battle' anything more than 'Throw bodies at the problem until something breaks'?That's exactly what it is, 'Quantity is a quality all its own' combined with the advantage of keeping the enemy guessing so they don't send reserves in time to stop you from exploiting a gap, like a screen pass in football. It's only possible if you have more bodies than the enemy
>>65160157Don't insult the British like that. They gained more ground during that battle than the russians have in months/years. I'm not even exaggerating.
>>65160224I mean, to be entirely fair, you've seen how the russians treat their own men when they are accused of desertion or cowardice. There have also been multiple instances where a russian surrenders to a drone, only for the russians to Launceston several FPS at him along the way to try and kill them. That's aside from them being told they'll be tortured by the Ukrainians (you invaded their country and destroyed their cities, it's a reasonable assumption that they'd treat you roughly). Other than drones, there's plenty of footage of them faking surrenders to throw a grenade, usually just resulting in them and their buddies getting killed.
