What do we think of Turkey's new 5th gen fighter, the TAI TF Kaan?
>>65158320Is the f35 the muticam of 5th fighters?
>>65158324I meant f22
>>65158320I think the KAAN and KF-21 are cool and I hope that both of those airframes find their market share in the wider world. Though I think the muslim world will order hundreds to thousands of the KAAN simply due to the fact that Turkey is muslim and is willing to sell to anyone that wants it. While I think the KF-21 are going to be ordered by more Euro-centric/western-aligned countries that don't have the money for an F-35 but could afford the KF-21.
>>65158320>KAAN!
>>65158354Spain already has interest, they want to build a local one with airbus components like they do with Hurjet.SpainIndonesiaAzerbaijanPakistanQatarS.ArabiaUkraineAre all potential buyers & partners.
>>65158354>>65158413Pakistan is interested and so is Iraq, but one can never count on interest just because it is a muslim plane.
>>65158419wordplay joke in my /k/?Anyway, KF-21 is almost entirely an american plane so Korea won't have full authority to sell it without permission. Turkey's goal is to build an engine, so this thing can be sold freely. This thing will be hot topic in early 2030s
>>65158320Turkey will fcuk up anyone that wants to party.Europe will give free homes cars and money for anyone that wants it.Someone has the correct priorities.
Size matters
>>65158446>size matters
>>65158429Betting on indigenous engines is a bold claimIn 2030F-15EX line will need ordersKF-21 will be "stealth"F-35 export versions for ME could be availableSu-57 and Su-75 might not be bannedTejas, Gripen, Rafael, and EuroFighter could be upgradedHell J-35 and J-20 might even be pushedLet alone F-16 and JF-17 block infinityI am glad to see new planes, KAAN will have step competition.
>>65158446Ogay
>>65158446The Mig-25 was (really still is) huge and its size didn't matter in the end.
>>65158464Engines from Derby sounds like a good idea to me.About an hours drive.
>>65158475Still has "dispute over intellectual properties of the engine which previously stalled the negotiation between Rolls-Royce and Turkey in 2019[44] remained unresolved. "Tusas Engine Industries is part owned by GE AeroSpace so I would suspect a deal similar to this.https://www.indiandefensenews.in/2026/04/indiaus-defence-breakthrough-ge-and-hal.html
>>65158413I think it was Indonesia that already ordered 48 KAANs while Turkey recently ordered 20. While I think Spain might go for the KAAN there's also the fact that Spain might simply wait out Trump's term and stick to the F35.>UkraineWhile I do know that they've expressed interest in the manufacturing partnership, I don't think that that would evolve into a potential sales order unless Turkey manages to work out a deal to allow for Ukraine to do a shared manufacturing program. Similar to how the Polish K2PL is being worked out. But if recent rumors about the order of 150 Gripen's being quietly paid for I doubt that they'd order the KAAN unless Turkey can really sweeten a potential deal and convince them to tell France to fuck off with the Rafale. >>65158419I think you're misunderstanding just how much of a political goodwill the more fundamentalist leaders of nations like Malaysia, Indonesia, Egypt, etc. could receive from their people/other muslim majority nations by ordering from a fellow "brother" nation than with European nations and/or China.>>65158464>Betting on indigenous engines is a bold claimTurkey is already well on its way on having an indigenous tank engine and supposedly is making progress on the KAANs engine as well. The 2nd or 3rd upgrade block is the planned introduction of the turkish engine into the KAAn so we'll know more by then.
>>65158490I know a hot chick that sells them.All good fun.
>>65158464>F-15EX line will need ordersIsrael and the US have already ordered hundreds of the EX. However, its expensive as shit and will hurt export orders unless the price goes way down when compared to upcoming 5th gen airframe competitors.>Tejaslol>F-35 export versions for ME could be availableA fair point, but I think Turkey would have locked down the ME military airpower market by then. As well as potentially having nations like Kazakhstan and a few of the more richer African nations either show interest or have ordered the KAAN by than.>Gripen, Rafael, and EuroFighter could be upgradedI think we're going to start seeing a mass international push for 4th/4.5th gen airframes to start being retired once the KAAN, KF-21, and J-20 and J-35 start hitting international arms shows. >Su-57 and Su-75 might not be bannedI doubt Russia will have very many, if any, international arms exports after Turkey and China have muscled their way into the SEA, ME, and African market. Russia has failed to convince India to buy the SU-57 instead of French Rafales and I think India was their final hail mary on ever hoping to export the su-57.>Hell J-35 and J-20 might even be pushedAgreed, but it's going to be an extremely tough competition between the Chinese and Turkish airframes. Where I think Turkey will be more favored by international buyers than China outside of a select few asian nations.>Let alone F-16 and JF-17 block infinitySame as the Gripen, Rafale, and Eurofighter. They're going to start to get phased out in favor of 5th gen equivalents soon enough. Overall, I think that 4th/4.5th gen airframes are starting to enter their twilight years and we'll see a huge push for them being mass retired by mid-late 2030s in favor for cheaper 5th gen airframes.
>>65158320It's a...TAI fighter. Get it?
>>65158513Will relaying on Indonesia is foolish it looks like KF-21 is in.https://biz.chosun.com/en/en-industry/2026/05/15/5B4EFE7KRJEQ5OBDIUI2ICTHZ4/KAAN isnt a 5th gen. Neither is the KF-21 or Su-57 for that matter.Any nation that wants stealth has to choose between China or the US. Unless GCAP gets built it will be way more expensive than those F-15EXI wouldnt leave Su-57 out just yet, India is retarded, but the russians are just as good as the French at bribery and better at blackmail.
>>65158490Cute sweetheart >>65158537Gorgeous woman who needs loving
>>65158419Pakistan is already locked in with the J35 so the KAAN is probably unlikely for them. (like you said, speculation because they're muslim)
>>65158320>J-20 without the canards
>>65158537>KAAN isnt a 5th genIt's being marketed as such and every article I see about it calls it a 5th gen airframe. So I'm not sure why you think it's not a 5th gen platform. >either is the KF-21Sure, but Korea has already stated that they will upgrade the KF-21 to 5th gen standards in the 2030s with the KF-21EX>Su-57Never claimed that it was and I know from previous readings its 4.5+ status is dubious at best. I merely stated that Russia is being pushed out of the international arms market while at the same time they can't produce enough 57's for themselves in the first place. >Any nation that wants stealth has to choose between China or the USFor now. However, we won't know how stealthy the KAAN is until it gets put into active combat scenarios. And I won't claim that the KF-21 is a stealth platform when the Koreans themselves are saying that its not a full stealth fighter. Which is probably by design. >GCAPGCAP is 6th gen, but I get your point. GCAP's price point also vastly depends on whether or not it gets ordered by other European and Commonwealth nations. As far as 6th gen platforms go, I think the F-47 and the F/A-XX will most likely be exported to some NATO members or NATO-partner nations
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>>65158843Nigga they aint got stealthAnd Never willIn 2030 KAAN will be competing with GCAP if nothing goes wrong for either program.Saudis are not loyal to muslims and will gladly get 6th if they can.
>>65158464>Su-57 and Su-75I'm not certain the former will still exist in the wild and the latter will never even be built.
>>65158915Lmao as dubious as Turkey making there own jet engine
>>65158843>GCAP>6th genGCAP is as of right now a bunch or powerpoints
>>65158609https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/144780646
Testing of DIRCM system that will be installed on KAAN
>>65159395Toygun-200 EOTS & Karat-200 IRST that will be mounted on KAANToygun-100 and Karat-100 already operation on Bayraktar KE jet
>>65159402Toygun-100 EOTS installed on KE, flight footagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfMjsxLloCM
>>65158320Nothing, really.
>>65159409Kaan will have Murad 600 AESA radar with 1800+ trm modules and 30+ kW peak power.Murad 100 AESA with 1150 trm modules 20+ kW peak power already operational on KE, Akinci, it's unofficially said that Murad 100 can track and lock 1 m2 targets from 120 nm range
>>65158986That's the f-47
>>65159446And GCAP
>>65158411
>>65159448Nope.
Güçhan Engine delivers 42,000 pounds (19,050 kilograms) of thrust...Well... we finally get 2 engines F-35 now.
>>65159552this one is fake and gay. Wait of TEI
>>65159552How's the service life and time between major overhauls?
>>65159636that thing doesn't exist. It's frankenturbine, made with spare parts of existing F110 engines.Actual engine is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEI-TF35000Service life not disclosed
>>65158320if that thing is 5th gen then the su 57 is 8th gen
>>65158320proof it is vlo? It's just low observable as far as I know, just like what China, worst corea, and Russia have.
Here we go Turkey can try for Mexico tooGranted Mexico would be better off buying retired South Korean T-5https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/gripen_f_16_fa_50_or_m_346_mexicos_choice_could_matter_for_ukraine-18450.html
>>65158513The F15EX explicitly is not meant to compete with fifth gen. It's a missile truck with two seater options and enough space to hold tons of gizmos. It would have be the Bug but why buy a carrier craft when flying from land. Enter our old gal the F15
>>65159552>be Roach>have the worst performing economy every in its history>have two different competing designs for its future fighter engineI guess one of them will be proven to be a fraud.
>>65158411 nobody who makes this reference has ever watched this movie
>>65159824The pictured one is ground testing prototype, it made two flights so far. But it's intended for ground testing, so it will look incomplete because many onboard tools are missing and not installed on it.But i can assure you Turkey's TAI has more advanced tools than Russia, stuff like XXL 7 axis CNC machinery, modern XXL Titanium EBAM 3d printing tools, things russia would not even dream of. The Turkish final product will be better than Russian one.
