Why is the M1A so hated by millenials? It's like a holy grail rifle for boomers.
>>65159097im almost 40 and id be down. 16" socom or an m1a. i dont have one because ive got a mortgage and 3 kids so maybe that's it?
>>65159097because it is overprice for what it bring to the table.
>>65159097There were some build quality issues with Springfields cast receivers cracking (also Bubba running them with his pissing hot hunting loads). Additionally, it's mid from a design perspective. There are about a dozen better thought out battle-rifles to got to war with with.That being said its aesthetics are great, and for 99% of its users it's a safe queen anyways.
>>65159097because it a holy grail rifle for boomers. and because tacticool larpers keep trying to use them for "practical" purposes and they're not good for that.
Because your average millenianal is too feeble in body, mind, and spirit to 1:lift, carry, or otherwise handle such a heavy weapon 2:deal with the recoil and concussion of a full on rifle cartridge 3:appreciate the aura of this weapon made of wood and steel
>>65159122i dont have 1100 to throw at a rifle when i want to get a garand first
>>65159097>Why is the M1A so hated by millenials?It's not that hated. Poor QA/QC from the 3 companies making them led to a lot of poorly manufactured products out there, so a lot of people who wanted one got burned by a bad experience. However, a lot of people wanted one, and the people who got a good one loved it.
>>65159097Why arent there any internal mag .30-06 versions made anymore or super abundantly available? Werent they made on par with the SKS in the tens even hundreds of millions?
>>65159097Everything about its adoption and vampire persistence in inventory mediocrity is a personification of Boomerism.
>>65159097I dont think millennials give a shit about them. Boomers and genX like them because of Vietnam nostalgia, while millennials and genZ don't have that romanticism nearly so much; theyre all about GWOT so they only care about M1As if theyre in a Sage chassis; and even then its a niche.
>>65159165>internal mag .30-06 versionsThe fuck are you on about? Are you confusing the m14 with the m1 garand?
>>65159097>not particularly reliable>pricey>inaccurate, and a very poor platform for accurization>Springfield is an abomination that should be wiped from existence for their numerous crimes against God and man>cheaply made imitation of the worst service rifle in US history
>>65159176Yes that is what i did
>>65159123$1100 is fine for something that will last you a life time. It's the 75 cents (and climbing) every time you pull the trigger that'll get you.
>>65159172mostly this
>>65159097its not really a generational thing but there is a vocal subset online who take any and every opportunity to shit on the M14 probably because they get all their opinions from the internet hivemind. ian did a video on it called "America's worst service weapon" so you know people just read the title, maybe skimmed it a little, and then made that their official opinion on the gun
>>65159172You need to stop with the generational warfare shit. It's slave language, talking about the young and old as exclusive groups with monolithic thought used to define them all. It's a trap set by special interest groups to further divide people and make the easier for politicians to conquer you.
>>65159396It isnt generational warfare to claim that people born within age brackets closer to the M14 being the standard service rifle, especially those whose adolescence coincided with that time period, will have stronger emotional associations to the rifle than people born much later who only know it in a heavily modified form from playing modern warfare 2. Gen X/Y/Z is just a useful shorthand, because getting granular about exact dates would pointlessly distract from the topic.
>>65159411>The M14 rifle is an American 7.62×51mm NATO battle rifle that served as the standard U.S. service rifle from 1957 to 1964, replacing the M1 GarandYour logic is very flimsy, which would lead me to believe I'm getting flack for being over the target.
>>65159116>That being said its aesthetics are great,I had an m14 for ceremonial purposes and they are cool guns. That said, I never actually wanted an M1A until this thing started making regular appearances on this board.
>>65159101>im almost 40 and id be down. 16" socom or an m1aThe socom and tanker M1As are soo effin' nice!
>>65159104>because it is overprice for what it bring to the table.>subjective assessment Depends upon your criteria. You can do better. I've spent $2400 on a bolt gun.
>>65159119>because tacticool larpers keep trying to use them for "practical" purposes and they're not good for that.Getting closer. But I add that the M1Carbine is another "Grail Gun" that is nowhere near as practical. I still love mine.
>>65159122>average millenianal is too feeble in bodyAdd in a heavy bbl and solid recoil spring guide rod and watch them faint!
>>65159182Based honesty. I'll shoot with you.
>>65159522Return to the light.
>>65159526>I've spent $2400 on a bolt gun.Sounds accurate
>>65159540Well, it's a nice one.
>>65159528M1 carbine is past its prime- its a decent gun that was cheap to buy and feed and widely available for decades. These days, they're safe queens or at least mine is. M14 type rifles would be far more popular if they were available in the US for canadian prices. Can canadians still buy them?
>>65159547>its a decent gun that was cheap to buy and feed and widely available for decades.I feel like the "issue" is some people over compensate. They find a nice Mauser and get anither, then they are off-to-the-races for 20. Same for Garands and Carbines, the older collectors saw a wave creasting and went all in during the '80s. Now, surplus .30Carbine ammo is gone and American Eagle isn't cheap. I still found this in a totebin at a show for $5 and snatched it up.
Because of the boomer tax. It's like a cult Napa wine but for guns. There's nothing especially WRONG with it if you like that sort of thing but fuck paying those prices, it just feels like an insult. It's not the best gun ever made, yet the market prices say otherwise. And if you disagree you get called a salty poor loser.
>>65159547And to add to this, its a status the M14 never really had in the US- m14s were never surplussed off so if you wanted one you needed to get an m1a or bm-59. These never had to compete with surplus so prices stayed high and they were always somewhat niche. Technically this is true of the M16 as well, but that rifle is more modern, made of different materials, and most importantly became popular enough to really become affordable. M14 style rifles were never 'the' gun to get like the m1 carbine, mini-14, ar-15, etc which were all at one point the best combination of features for the money....except in Canada
>>65159557>found this in a totebin at a show for $5Even if it is a repro it's worth $5 to me. I almost blame Midway for nurturing the sales feeding frenzy on the unissued M1Carb mags with a count down timer. But hey, free market rules. I waited and sure enough, when sales slowed, they dropped the price.
>>65159165The CMP is making new M1 Garands now. In both .30-06 and .308.
>>65159574>here is your TISAS knockoff with a pinewood stock and parts that mostly work once you take it to a gunsmith and have him do 20 hours of work>that will be $4000 please, limit one per customerWhoa, where do I sign up
>>65159579CMP.ORG
>>65159097because if I wanted an AR-10, I'd just get an AR-10
>>65159581>non sequitur Typical zoomer.
>>65159097All it has going for it is how cool it looks
>>65159097Boomers love it because they shot it a few times in boot camp and it looked sexy. Gen X hates it because we had to go to war with the fucking thing and got to know just why it sucked. Millenials hate it because they get their opinions from Tiktok and Youtube. M1A owners love it because they think the two rifles are the same and they don't shoot much. I think that covers just about everyone.>>65159312>ian did a video on itAnd simply regurgitated bullshit he'd read elsewhere because he's a faggot secondary. No mention of the actual problems in service, which is to be expected because not too many people ever got to actually use one in anger. This is actually a useful filter when dealing with someone that claims to hate the M14 - are they bitching about muh QC like all of the other NPCs, or were they dealing with a real problem like a persistent wandering zero or inability to get the group on paper at 25?>it's also useful for determining whether or not a fawning m1a owner actually shoots their m1a to any significant degree>if they did, I wouldn't have to explain to them how it will eventually go wrong, they would have already figured it out on their own
>>65159627>All it has going for it is how cool it looksBrainlet take. It has ergonomics, best irons ever, rotating bolt accuracy, best stock design, best trigger pull, typical top accuracy at matches, function and power.
>>65159097I think its mostly backlash from it being a bit overrated by boomers. Its fine amongst its contemporaries IMO, and obviously limited in modern contexts. On the other hand you have people like these jabronies who seemingly cannot figure out how to use something that's not an AR-15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U11URice_cM&t=184sI like my M1A, its been dependable and accurate, but it is probably the best example of an M1A you could get (judging by its SN range). It's probably my favorite or second favorite rifle I own. Historically, it's adoption process really sucked. I'll believe that it was better than the T48 (FAL) in some measures at the time, and it makes sense to use an American design, but they really should have been honest with it's goal to have some parts commonality (or tooling commonality) with the M1 Garand. All things said, I don't care, still like it.
>>65159634>that covers just about everyone.Commies and terrorists hate it because it makes them dead.
>>65159634>Millenials hate it because they get their opinions from Tiktok and Youtube.Anon....
>>65159097Always wanted one growing up. Couldn't really convince myself to spend 2k, so I caved and got an AR10
>>65159640Lol
>>65159634>regurgitated bullshitMost people who do this, the majority by far, have never held an M14/M1A. Never even seen one, muchless held, or even shot one. Kinda telling, they have no credibility.
>>65159640LOL.>>65159644LMAO, even.
>>65159634>genx 1965-1980>m14 1959-1970>weWhy can't you generation obsessed faggots even do the most basic of research
>>65159097When you need a parachute and are attached to the wrong M1.
'91 millennial chiming in, I have always loved the M-14
>>65159810I should've been an abrams tanker. Oh well I guess some things just weren't meant to be
>>65159522For me it was HOTD
>>65159872Zoomer reporting in, and I think these things are sexy as fuck. Too broke to afford one though.
>got the rifle>got a dozen mags and a slingnow what? should i get a mag carrier thing? Seeing early vietnam pics i see them carrying about 5 mags and the rest stripper clip ammo. Should I use as a battle rifle or dmr?
>>65159877Roll of the dice.
>'ate the G3>'ate the FAL, not racist against Belgians, just don't like 'em>'ate the AR-10>luv me M-14>luv me self-regulating gas pistonSimple as
>>65160007>now what?Maybe lrn2shoot it? Lrn2use a sling (properly). Join a Highpower match.
>>65160007You shouldn't be focusing on accessories before you've even gotten familiar with it via shooting it.
>>65159872'99 zoomer reporting, I really want a chink M14 as my next gun and a norinco 1911 to match
>>65160164>'99 zoomerDoes this mean DOB? A Norinco matched pair is a worthy goal.
>>65159116>build quality issues with Springfields cast receivers crackingThey STILL have issues with their receivers being out of spec.That's why A.R.M.S. hasn't done another run of scope mounts for them (the only mounts for them worth anything IMO), Springfield can't get their receiver spec consistent enough, so swan company refuses to make more mounts and then get blamed when they don't fit and work well enough. Email A.R.M.S. and ask, they'll tell you the same thing - they want to do more runs because demand is huge and they'd rake it the fuck in, but SA can't get their shit together, even after a decade+.
>>65160177I'm the '91 year model, I put that in as year of birth to give some context
>>65160177Well, really my goal is a full 50s GI LARP getup that's all Chinese. I just think the idea of being dressed like a red scare-era soldier while having all the kit be made by communists is incredibly funny
>>65159097I love my Garand and either hate or don't get the hype of every single M1A I've shot. I don't know if it's the lighter polymer stock or the shorter barrel on the socom variants, or the fact that the whole thing feels more cheaply made despite the fact that it costs twice what I paid for my M1. I just don't like them.
>>65159930great taste. shame what happened to it
>>65159097Read its history. It was a half-assed rifle even in its own time. The army couldn't decide between sticking with .30-06 and moving onto SCHV now that the meta was clear and new powders were available, so they fumblefucked .308 into existence. The M14's construction is inherently not too accurate, either. A generic PSA AR15 shoots better than a "marksman's" custom accurized M14.
>>65160200Used to never hear this argument until forgotten weapons released an M-14 video
>>65160194>kit be made by communists is incredibly funnyIt toally is, I agree. And for the ultimate power play, killing invading commies on US soil with Chinese made fire power Red Dawn style!
>>65160200>Read its historyReading is stupid!
>>65160211I guess you didn't do much talking about guns before and had to wait until the basics got popularized by influencers to hear about key history.
>>65160217Been here off and on since 2014. Not a point of pride, but I do not believe you're being truthful in what you just said. The relatively consistent bashing threads lends credence to that
>>65160231Believe whatever you want dudebro. I can tell you the reality but only you can believe it for yourself.
>>65159396>generational warfareIn my opinion and read he's not doing that in that post. He's just pointing out that in the particular case of the M1A, its appeal is in part related to generational consumer appeal.>>65159498>flack[sic]It's flak>*Fl*ug*a*bwehr*k*anone
>>65159396>generational warfareNah, can't be that.
>>65159097No it's not, and no it's not.0 for 2.
>>65160390>0 for 2Op not doing that well. The M1A shines brightly on windy days past the 300yrd line.
>>65159312>ian did a video on it called "America's worst service weapon"Ian 's video was posted already past the peak of M14 hatred.Same shit as Lazerpig's video on the A-10. The pendulum against "muh brrrrt" had already started swinging years and years before. All the pig did was introduce the issue to normies who wouldn't do the required reading.People blame internet figures but all they did was keep the ball rolling after it had already started.>>65159643>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U11URice_cM&t=184s I wanted to actually mention that video. While that dude is an absolute faggot (and it shows in the videos he made for AirsoftGI back in the day) this was the point where shit talking M14 broke containment.>>65160211>Used to never hear this argument until forgotten weapons released an M-14 videoI'm afraid that just means you're closer to a normie than a true /k/ommando, if you were a true gun autist you'd have heard those arguments since the looserounds.com article.That's like saying you never heard praise for 9mm until the FBI released their recommendation to abandon .40 back in 2015. The autists have been arguing about that shit since forever, not our fault you only heard it once it hit the normiesphere.
>>65160231ive been here since the start of 4chan and hes right people shit on the m14 well before 2014. well before youtube really but it was contained on small gunforums. people complaining was always there if you dug deeper than a surface take. youtube just spread it.
if it wasnt so damn expensive, id love to buy one just for le aesthetics and occasionaly shooting.
>>65160722I feel similarly. I can't justify the cost for a good non-Springfield M-14, but it's sort of a niche item with a strong cult following which I guess let's them get away with a high price.>inb4 poorYes I am, we all start somewhere.
>>65160724even if youre not poor, its just not a great value for what you're paying.
>>65159498What flak? You see it today with UCP in more recent generations, where bundling it (or at least, its prominence in media) with a simpler time in their lives translates to people being fond of it.
>>65160724>we all start somewhereYou'll get there. Stick with it. At 1/yr you'll get like me and have more rifles than you know where to put. Your safe will explode, your display cases will be filled, you'll consider the muzzle up/muzzle down stacking method and you won't be wrong, just not very glamorous.
>>65160733>imoStop judging others desires. Next you'll be saying Asain girls aren't cute, and we know that's wrong.
>>65160737>simpler time in their lives translates to people being fond of it.Here we go again.
>>65160739Oh I have plenty of guns, mostly milsurp from when it was a more accessible hobby. Not to sound defensive by any means, but being objective, I am happy with what I have and don't need a dedicated toy, but it'd be fun; it's just incredibly low on the totem pole. Back rent and medical bills is my main concern for the foreseeable future....and even then, I have guns that need work before it's a responsible time for me to buy another.But someday that will happen, and it'll be good
>>65160733I don't want an M-14 type rifle because I'm going to be seriously using it or counting on it for anything huge, it's just fucking cool, sexy, and I want one for myself
>>65160759>that sightFlows with the lines perfectly!
>>65159396>You need to stop with the generational warfare shit.Nah, fuck the boomers. They fucked this country up. No matter how much you hate them, you don't hate them enough.>>65159664Nothing wrong with that. AR10 is best battle rifle. Anyone who says otherwise is just a hipster trying to be contrarian.>>65160197I am totally open to the idea of getting a Garand in .308. I like retro stuff and I have a really bad feeling my state is going to be the next one to pass an assault weapons ban, so I would like to have something ban-proof on hand.>>65160194I think that is a funny idea too.You should get a Chinese shotgun as well so you can go 3-gun on their asses if there ever is a communist invasion. I think they make some old school ones that would fit into your time period larp?
>>65161016I dunno, would an 870 would be period correct? That's the only chink shotgun clone I know of that might fit the time period since I'm pretty sure we retired the 1897s after WWII
>>65159522>>65159930My first brush with love of the M14 was actually the EBR, which I saw in some modern war shooter back in the MW3 BF3 era. I think I'd like to race some M1A out like that, but I dunno how hard it would be to actually make one that was clone correct. My modern love for the M14 is focused on Blackhawk Down and the desire to larp as Randy Shugart.
>>65161016>No matter how much you hate them, you don't hate them enough.>dieing with this much hate in your heartYou deserve that death. Must suck to have grown up fatherless, blame your mom.
>>65161136>race some M1A out like thatDon't you mean rice out?
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>>65161112>That's the only chink shotgun clone I know of that might fit the time period since I'm pretty sure we retired the 1897s after WWIIThat's the one I was thinking of.I'm not an expert on military shotguns.I think they used the 870 in 'nam, but I don't think they were a thing in the WWII era.>>65161150Seething boomer detected.Go to sleep.It's way past your bedtime, grandpa.
>>65159097This is like the coolest gun I can get in CT. Is it shit?
>>65159097>boomersyoure dumbmillenials that like the M14 get M1AsM1A isnt good enough for boomers "MUH CAST PARTS" and those geriatric retards spend $7000 on a "muh forged" rifle thats 6 MOA
>>65160211Ian made that video at the peak of reddit M14 hate
>>65161209>Is it shit?I'd say no, but I'm biased. Mine are flawless.>>65159535
>>65161190Don't you have a video game to obsess over?
>>65161232>Ian made that clickbait video
>>65161232That actually makes sense
>>65161235Don't you have Corvettes, classic rock, 1911's, 70's sitcoms, falling birthrates, and socialist security to obsess over?And video games are fun.Maybe you try playing something that's not Pac-man or Pong. You don't have to be in a sketchy arcade to play them anymore.You can even play them on computers and cellphones nowadays, pops.
>>65161276Can't sy I like corvettes, only a couple of years. I like the '58 and the '24. 1966 is pretty cool, I guess. There are WAAY nicer cars than Corvettes. Maybe a hot little Eyetalian number.Sent using tapatalk
>>65161283I'm actually trying to save up to get a C4 or C5.I know Corvettes are the stereotypical boomer mid life crisis car, but I think they are legit cool and they were my dream car since I was in high school.I kinda feel like I'm getting to the mid life crisis phase of my life. It's fun, but scary at the same time.
>>65161294>It's fun, but scary at the same time.Protip, don't buy a Harley or a Vette. Buy a Ducati. Then, buy a better one. Get it now.
>>65161302>Buy a Ducati.Then get a synth M1a SOCOM and a rifle scabbard and just ride around being badass.
The M14 is arguably the worst rifle choice the US could have made given its options. Cheap upgrade using Garand tooling? Beretta BM59NATO-integrated rifle? FALA little more forward-thinking? Wait for the AR10 to mature
>>65159802Damn. I've been found out. There's no fooling this anon.
>>65159097Because it's an piece of shit and if I wanted to shoot something from wwii or whatever it's gonna be a nugget? why should I care??
>>65161324>from wwii
>>65161325Well, he did qualify it with >or whatever
>>65161324>why should I care??You shouldn't. The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor over 150 yrs ago, like back when JC Penny started Sears or something.
>>65161302>HarleyI never had an interest in them.Harleys suck.The Japanese motorcycles are better and cooler in every way.But, I have seen enough people get reck'd on motorcycles to scare me off of them.If I wanted to kill myself, the way I would do it is beg, borrow, or steal a motorcycle and ride around on it until I eventually crash into something.I'm not suicidal, but it seems like the funnest way to die.>VetteThey are my dream car. I don't want just *any* sports car, I want a Corvette. That's what's my heart is set on. That's what I wanted since I was old enough to care about cars and I was old enough to read car magazines.A sports car is the real, true, red-blooded, all American teenage boy fantasy.Now that I am an adult and have adult money, I want to fulfill it while I have still have the possibility of doing that.
>>65161340Lmao bro jc penny and sears are totally different businesses
>>65161346You should get a 2018 civic coupe (last year they made the coupe) if you want a sports car experience
>>65161346>A sports car is the real, true, red-blooded, all American teenage boy fantasy.A vette is not a "sports car", it's a high horsepower compact with shit handling. A true sports car is something else.>wanting to steal a bike and ride it until you dieOne way, I guess.
>>65161361>jc penny and sears are totally differentNo the same, both bankrupt non-starters in a cyber marketplace.
>>65161365>a 2018 civic coupeLove mine, a good choice.
>>65161365Maybe not a bad idea. I never had a Honda, but I have heard they are good cars. I still like Corvettes tho.>>65161372>A vette is not a "sports car", it's a high horsepower compact with shit handling. A true sports car is something else.Good enough for me.>One way, I guess.I didn't say I was actually going to do that.Just if I wanted to an hero, that's the way I would go about it.
>>65161384>if I wanted to an hero, that's the way I would go about it.Suicide ideation is a sign of mental illness, please see a councilor.
>>65160211>>65161232What is this revisionist history?First, Ian's been hating on the M14 for over a decade, every time he makes a video on it (he did a demonstration of it on full auto years ago, don't even know if that's still up thanks to JewTube bullshit) or something related to it (see all the experimental/early-years M16 vids), he mentions how the M14 was lackluster.Second, I've read about how the T48 got cheated out of its rightfully-deserved contract win, and the bongs got robbed out of their intermediate caliber, because a few powerful burgers wanted the Garand but more gooder, which promptly sucked at everything it was supposed to do, with the exception of punch through thick jungle scrub better than the 5.56 that replaced it (which may just be fuddlore).
>>65161375Not quite true: JC Penny reemerged from bankruptcy with stores intact and operation. Sears is dead, sold off to some private equity vultures who have steadily wound it down. There are five stores left in the country, and its "website" is just a portal to the companies you actually want to buy from.
>>65161457The T48 got 'cheated' because it didn't perform as well as the T44
M14 hate is incredibly forced and immediately outs someone as a faggot. The M14 and M1A are cool and fun to shoot and anyone who would disagree has either never shot one or is a fun hating faggot.
>>65161472Exactly. Everyone I've seen parrot this has never admitted to actually using, much less handling an M14 or derivative. I will admit that it may be a bit overrated by boomers when comparing it to the M16, but when people say its long, heavy, has uncontrollable recoil or limited magazine capacity are full of shit.
>>65161579>has uncontrollable recoil entirely valid when referring to full autoit's a 10-pound rifle firing 7.62x51
>>65161585Oh no doubt. I'm just saying when they use that as a reason for the "the M14 was only selected over the FAL for corruption cope" is pretty shitty.
>>65159557What's updike?
>5kg>3MOA on a good day, opens up to 5/6 MOA and shifts after a few shots>inflated price because of fuddsThe only thing the M14 has going for it is it's look, I'll give you that.
>>65159097Ergonomics.
>>65159182I got this guy's next drink.
