At this point not even power armor is good enough, we need power fields that block all boring explosives

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>>65164510
Russians are not happy

>>65164526
The best way to fight drones is with another drone. But ukies have also invented interceptor drones.

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Name? Manufacturer? Warhead?

>>65164510
I really dont understand why more world militaries aren't tripping over themselves to get their military observers into this war, obviously the nature of future wars will depend on the specifics of their theaters and the actors involved but this war has incredible echoes of the US civil war/Crimean War/Russo-Japanese war for beginning to see the outlines of the new shape of warfare

Damn, I've watched this short film on Youtube...

>>65164529
genuinely funny how deep the Russian dismissiveness of Ukrainians goes that they still refuse to admit that Ukraine designs and manufactures most of their drones domestically

>>65164510
>when you think war can't become more nightmarish and dystopian...ACK!

>>65164539
They are, every middle power and higher has observers in either Ukraine or Russia just few will publically confirm it because they want to look like they are sitting it out.

>>65164546
To me it's even funnier they think they can take on the EU at the same time they are stalled in Ukraine.

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>>65164539
There are a lot of applications which are all running on 100% we got to have, how much of it affects the next war or another scenario is somewhat more subjective. But you do want you some of that stuff at the very least and whats more you want to know how to avoid getting fucking roasted by it because its not going away.

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>>65164510
>they lock in on heads of targets,
Funny how Jews already outsmarted this tech 30 years ago.

>>65164551
the EU needs to wake the fuck up and realize the current batch of US realists and the Kremlin are on the same page in wanting a politically paralyzed, dysfunctional Europe

>>65164510
>>65164552
so you could release a bunch of these in an area and basically clear it of all infantry?

if they cant be jammed and are autonomous, you are not constrained by the number of FPV pilots or wireless connections you can maintain in a given area

if so, i think it might be best for Ukraine to build a big stockpile, release it in a particularly vulnerable area of the front and just try to advance as much as possible

i think allowing passively for russia to catch up could be a mistake, they could probably make more of these nightmares than Ukraine can, they need to capitalize

>>65164561
Most of the EU is getting wise and working to build the EU into a NATO style command structure.
As far as I have read (no that much) the UK is the only European nation still acting like the US is a reliable ally.

>>65164510
is EFP the best choice? wouldnt a canister shot make more sense for soft targets?

an EFP might miss the target, 50 pieces of iron almost certainly wont

>>65164539
Ummmm sweaty, God Emperor Trump said Ukraine is done and Vance said Ukraine is worthless corrupt shithole. That's why we don't care.

>>65164510
What's stopping us from putting these efp mines that can pen a tank from 100m away on these drones?

>>65164561
>the us wants Europe to be retarded
Holy fuck how are you this fucking retarded.

>>65164552
>just circle them until they line up before getting the 2for1 special
Clear sign that Ukraine is running out of drones, one more cold winter and the hamsters will know everything

>>65164572
If it's accurate enough EFP is a great choice because it defeats cope cages and can wreck MBTs.
This means you just produce one drone / warhead for all target types instead of running into the problem we have see a thousand times in drone footage where a nade dropper sees armour and can't do shit.

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>>65164547
>"the street finds its own uses for things"
The implications when this proliferates out of the warzone

>>65164572
EFP probably offers the best effect against all kinds of potential targets., with good standoff range through cope cages into vehicles.

>>65164580
Weight, drone range is drastically reduced by payload and dragging around a 15km warhead will turn a 20km drone into a 2km drone.

>>65164591
A parm 2 is like 8kg without the tripod, i saw drones flying with 155mm shells, surely this must be possible.

>>65164603
>i saw drones flying with 155mm shells
Yes, $10,000 drones instead of $500 drones.

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>>65164584
It is a spring like no other in Russia, the smell of victory!

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>>65164539
Hashem will protect us

>>65164510
>AI
it's just a yolo machine learning model that detects faces

>>65164561
It's already underway but it takes time.

Kek, his head just popped.

>>65164534
>Name?
we don't know
>Manufacturer?
we don't know
>Warhead?
we don't know besides being EFP.

Maybe in 6 months from now we will get more information about it

>>65164529
Do it no balls.

>>65164572
>is EFP the best choice? wouldnt a canister shot make more sense for soft targets?
I'm sure you could make a dual-purpose munition that had an EFP with some pre-formed frag in front of it or something.

>>65164510
>“Why, with your radio boat—loaded with dynamite—we would have any enemy navy in the world at the bottom in no time,” exclaimed an admiral who saw the demonstration.

>“With this principle,” replied Nikola Tesla more prophetically than he knew, “you may live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension.”

Nikola Tesla, 1898

>>65164510
He didn't even see it coming before his head was turned into a fine mist. "Humane"

>>65164546
Russia as a state does not take the suggestion that Ukraine might be a independent state nor nation seriously. It's russian chauvinism, hubris and high pride; twice the fall to break the neck of the bastards of the kremlin.

>>65164561
I love how every time the US even suggests slowing down with anything defense related, Europe freaks the fuck out and just assumes Russia and the USA are in a secret alliance to destroy Yurop. Euros act more "Jewish" than Israel does.

>>65164510
>AI with facial recognition
Kek, just imagine all the mongols and FAS-tards it will ignore
At first

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>>65164741
>the last thing the drone sees

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>>65164739
Humiliation ritual

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>>65164510
>tfw Slaughterbots is becoming reality
Neat. Now we just need to reach the stage where they get deployed over a city by the thousands.

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>>65164510
>america invents laser proximity fuzed directional antipersonnel drones for open areas with recognition algorithms in 2012
>it's called the switchblade
>years go by
>switchblades are worthless buy these unencrypted home made bombs that kill the launch guy 1% of the time instead!
>years go by
>check out our advanced Slavic tech! it does what Americans did when you were a baby! truly advanced technology!

>>65164621
Imagine the smell (reminder that all this shit and garbage deposited in wither thaws en masse in springtime)

>>65164761
who wants to buy a switchblade in 2026?

>>65164734
>It's russian chauvinism
There is literally cope now that losing to Ukraine doesn't count because they're just Russians so it's really losing to yourself.

>>65164510
how do they determine friend vs foe?

>>65164761
The switchblades were never bad. They were just atrociously expensive, weren't being built at scale and the 300s had a limited warhead, so you could only really hit one guy at a time. The ukies tended to use them on assassination missions against officers of priory targets. They liked the 600s, but they had very limited numbers of them.

>>65164539
Why send out of touch generals to watch fpv videos when you can just fucking hire the Ukies making and piloting the drones to teach you?

You're going to see an almost Paperclip-esque scramble to buy up experienced Ukies once this war is over. Any drone operator that survives the war, or drone designer who created a functional and successful design, is basically guaranteed to be set for life. They may as well be the blacksmiths who reverse-engineered the first firearms in Japan.

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>>65164589
>Niggas strapping switched glocks to a drone to perform drivebys the police can't chase

>>65164539
Rocking the boat in this economy is stupid. There's way better paid people and companies responsible for this crap that also don't give a damn, let them handle it. The politicians will listen to them first anyways since they fund their campaigns.

Besides, nobody with a brain wants to give the US any better weapons under current leadership or else they'll invade Canada or something. This Iran fiasco is great for that, we're all better off and much safer if the US military fails badly and fails often instead of getting used to start stupid shit.

>>65164787
I watch a few volunteers on youtube and several have been offered consulting work lately. It's pretty funny because a couple of them have no marketable skills other than "was a drone pilot in Ukraine for 3 years" and suddenly they are being offered massive contracts.

>>65164761
the switchblade (smaller one) was purposely neutered to try and limit unwanted casualties, basically targeting terrorists

>>65164797
Iran isn't a military failure it's the same old problem again, civilian leadership thinks the military can solve everything and gives them problems that can't be shot.
The US military is still top teir but it doesn't matter how good your military is if your plan is "bomb a country and hope there is a civil war" because what if there isn't a civil war?

>>65164798
Being the only person who knows something the government wants is basically a cheat code. They're absolutely incentivized to massively overpay you so that you feel comfortable and loyal.

>>65164805
I get that, it's just cool to see guys off the street getting offered the kind of money that is normally reserved for major players in the MIC.

>>65164534
Nice try, Gerasimov.

>>65164797
>or else they'll invade Canada or something
it's always amazing to see how smug Canadians are about laboring under their self-inflicted retardation

>>65164739
The US just suggested invading an European country.

>>65164813
my understanding is EE's don't get paid all that well, at least that's what a former raytheon engineer was saying, despite doing well in school. he ended up working in quant trading and quasi-retired.

>>65164797
>else they'll invade Canada
India is already doing a great job of that already.

>>65164790
>mfw a gangbanger FPV drone gets pulled over by a police FPV drone for speeding.

>>65164819
It's sad how short peoples memories are when it comes to this shit.
>end decades old free trade agreements
>place massive tariffs based on trade deficit (makes no economic sense)
>threaten to annex EU member
>actually move forces around ready to annex EU memeber
>don't back down until EU deploy forces to fight off invasion
>start war next to major shipping lane
>lane gets closed
>say the EU should open it and it's not Americas problem
Europe has a lot of reasons to be pissed but NATO bases closing isn't one of them, a lot are hoping that happens.

>>65164823
I was talking more C-suite not the plebs that actually do things.

>>65164510
> AI with facial recognition they lock in on heads of targets
Worthless buzzwords. Any drone that gets close enough to get a good face scan and then lock on has already alerted the target and then can react accordingly. Probably by dying, but still.

The cameras aren’t good enough to loiter hundreds or thousands of feet up and get a facial scan. What fucking database of faces would they run it against anyway? I don’t think Ziggers R’ Us is in business.

>>65164834
can't take europeans and leftists seriously with this kind of logic

trump wants more balanced trade with europe. he sees free trade as disadvantageous for that end.
threats about greenland are just his usual opening gambit. whoever is amplifying the seriousness of his intention has an agenda.
no, a handful of troops did not prevent an imminent invasion of greenland. you have to be incredibly naive to believe that.

>>65164797
> give the US any better weapons under current leadership or else they'll invade Canada
Nigger “better weapons” isn’t preventing an invasion of Canada

>>65164839
what it means that it can determine if target is human(based on head/face shape) and lock into what is head to get killshot. Not that it scans face for features to determine if target is Zigger

>>65164539
Hubris and large old established organizations are slow to change, many great talented people who are seeing their roles threatened by shiny new tech will react negatively to it.

>>65164819
Cause Yurop doesn't have the resources to make it great

>>65164842
>a handful of troops did not prevent an imminent invasion of greenland
You should read some history, the fact EU memebers sent a handful of guys is huge because now you need to commit an act of war against every country that deployed if you want to invade.
This cuts out any delay in triggering article 42, waiting for a meeting, having memebers trying to use veto as leverage etc. and goes straight to "we are at war".

As for trade with Europe don't believe politicians and the media look up the raw data yourself and see if Trumps claims have anything to do with reality.

>>65164797
>Besides, nobody with a brain wants to give the US any better weapons under current leadership or else they'll invade Canada or something.
the absolute state of /k/

>>65164855
Exactly, you are proving the point, american opinions are so fickle and easy to sway that you can't rely on it as a geopolitical ally, it's a really strong tard everyone has to play around.

>>65164787
>to buy up experienced Ukies
Ukies have no magic experience, everything going on was obvious a decade ago and talked about in sci-fi 40 years ago
The only way it might help to hire them is stubborn boomers want to believe "experts" saying the same thing an "amateur" has been telling them

>>65164858
You euroshits wouldn't lift a finger if the non-european population of greenland wanted to leave
They only stick around because of gibs

>>65164860
The US has always been a shitty ally when it came to defensive agreements taking their time to enter any combat and proving their "nuclear umbrella" to be a load of shit but everyone could predict their actions until very recently.
The US of 2 years ago was a good trade partner, the US of today isn't.

>>65164862
>You euroshits
I'm the Aussie no one believes is an Aussie for some fucking reason.
As for Greenland voting to leave you do understand that is different from being annexed right?

>>65164862
>Ukies have no magic experience
you think field experience have no merit?

>>65164866
Field experience of making do with whatever scraps has little relevance to a hypothetical future war between large countries

>>65164862
>Ukies have no magic experience
I used to believe this, then I saw american service men dying easily preventable deaths against Iran and I realized that you aren't preparing for the future at all, maybe this will be wake up call, but it seems unlikely with current head of the Department of Defen- err War (lol).

>>65164872
Anon we know you are stupid, you don't need to keep driving that same point home.

>>65164842
>Humili

>new Russian embarrassment drops
>I AM A PROUD EUROPEAN PATRIOT, WE HATE AMERICA, WE ARE ETERNAL ENEMIES OF AMERICA AND ITS RUSSIAN MASTER (RUSSIA IS VERY POWERFUL AND CONTROLS AMERICA)
Subtle and convincing, as usual.

>Ukraine and Europe are... le dumb!
Least obvious vatnik

>>65164842
>threats about greenland are just his usual opening gambit.
literally thirdie strategy to threaten your allies

>>65164862
>The only way it might help to hire them is stubborn boomers want to believe "experts" saying the same thing
This is like 90% of mankind, not just stubborn boomers.

>>65164862
>You euroshits wouldn't lift a finger if the non-european population of greenland wanted to leave
Yeah... they're literally free to leave if they want. They are not part of Denmark under duress.

>>65164884
Yea but its still frustrating when you give someone diet advice for a decade
Then their doctor says the same fucking thing, and its gospel to them

Phones could recognize faces for a decade now, do you need ukrainians to come over and tell generals that you can build a 1000 dollar drone which targets autonomously?

>>65164888
He gave himself away as a zigger because he can't comprehend a country being willing to give up territory over a vote.

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>>65164842
>usual opening gambit
>with territorial integrity and sovereignty being the reddest of red lines for literally every nation on earth for reasons that are self-evident to anyone with half a brain
>but let's poke at them for literally no sensible reason, that's a great way to get a constructive negotiation started

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>>65164842
>threats about greenland are just his usual opening gambit. whoever is amplifying the seriousness of his intention has an agenda.
I'm sorry people take the words of your literal representant seriously? So how exacly does people know what they should ignore or not?
Is scaling down all defensive deployments and equipment transfers (moslty recently throwing Taiwan under the bus) not related to protecting Israel just a prank?

>>65164889
They aren't asking them shit everyone with a triple digit IQ already knows they will be asking them for all the statistics neither Ukraine or Russia are making public.

>>65164898
>start bids high
>so they settle in the middle which you always planned for anyway
This is business 101. And yes he is running this like a business and not a government. I'm amazed people have not caught onto this yet.

>>65164916
he is ruining this like one of his business, we agree

>>65164780
>how do they determine friend vs foe?
The same way an artillery shell does.
The face rec is just to identify a human from a scarecrow or whatever.

There's footage with the aftermath, faggot lost half his head
https://nitter.net/GloOouD/status/2056393981982888270

>>65164552
>drunken baseball but the ball has a shotgun

>>65164739
>Refuses to condemn the russian invasion in every UN vote (could easily have just abstained if they wanted to be neutral)
>Trump constantly makes excuses for Putin actions, and compliments him at every opportunity
>Tries to fuck over Ukraine (PURL just makes America money, and intel sharing is only because the CIA director is pro-ukraine and trumps golfing buddy)
>Blocks massive sanctions package for no real reason
>Parrots whatever Putin says after having a phone call with him (see recent ceasefire request)
>Allowed a russian oil tanker to bypass the blockade of Cuba
>Gave Russia waivers to ship their oil, which was again renewed today.
>Regularly talks about massive post war trade deals with Russia without any tariff threats.

>just assumes Russia and the USA are in a secret alliance
I dont think there's anything secret about it.

>>65164695
>tfw you achieve higher consciousness to comprehend the man-made horrors
>still can't comprehend them because of how stupid they are

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>>65164568
>the UK is the only European nation still acting like the US is a reliable ally.

*a wild kurwa appears

>>65164539
>I really dont understand why more world militaries aren't tripping over themselves to get their military observers into this war
Because any state agency and even large corporation is retarded, slow and doesn't change unless it washes it face with blood to a fucked up degree or alternatively is put in a position of having to fight for survival. Militaries are even worse in this sense than others because the whole system is designed to follow rules and orders instead of being creative, trying new stuff and so on. This is more or less a universal issue.
Now add retardation and hubris on top of that. "Hurr-durr a real army wouldn't have issues with that", "Hurr-durr those are just some bullshit drones from chink parts, nothing close to _real_ precision weapons" and all the other cope western militaries and especially the US military would generate for the last 4+ years.

Any updates on the Moscow raid?

>>65164862
>Ukies have no magic experience, everything going on was obvious a decade ago
>t. brown martinez shooting Patriot missile at a $50K sheeit drone
You'd feel ashamed, if you browns had that

>>65164946
congratulations, you now realize that trump is a pragmatist

in most things, russia, and by extension ukraine, is a distant second in importance to china. however not being overly antagonistic to putin serves a useful purpose in the event that things get more heated between the US and China. he knows putin is sensitive about the imperalistic project so he's not going to embarrass putin's pet fixation, but as he's said countless times, the US has sanctioned Russia every which way already.

>>65164874
>then I saw american service men dying easily preventable deaths against Iran and I realized that you aren't preparing for the future at all
I enjoyed the fact that US military went out of its way to lie about losses and damage, literally russia-tier behavior.

>>65165000
This line of reasoning only makes sense if you believe Putin to be a legendarily retarded individual, or Trump a naive and gullible child.

>>65164636
You don't need YOLO to detect faces lmao

>>65165007
nta, what does it mean if i believe both

>>65165007
trump is all about who has the cards, and he thinks putin might have useful cards in the future. it has nothing to do with whatever your pejorative judgements are.

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>>65164901
It's 4 years on from the Ukraine war and the US is flying bombers from the UK to hit static targets in Iran, they've learned nothing

>>65165028
>putin may have a card that could be useful in the future
>let's antagonize my largest block of allies that I know has cards that are useful both now and in the future, some of which they are already playing at our request
Trump sure looks like he isn't playing with a full deck of cards

>>65165036
clearly allies are only as useful as far as they actually stick their necks out with blood or money. if they do neither, are they really allies or just acquaintences?

>>65165036
>Trump sure looks like he isn't playing with a full deck of cards
Neither are his supporters. Anyone can see he's a retard.

>>65165044
Yeah I'm sure Russians of all people will provide more than that, kek.

>>65164546
remind me of German dismissing bomber production numbers during the war

>>65164858
>It's huge because you can try and prompt a national crisis into war by technicality
If the US has moved on Greenland the entirety of Europe would have done nothing. The meager response they gave has pretty much guaranteed the end of EU military anything

>>65164539
I've read some news just tis morning that Ukraine provided 2.5 MILLION hours of TZD footage to Palantir

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>>65165007
>>65165013

>>65165028
>he thinks putin might have useful cards in the future. it has nothing to do with whatever your pejorative judgements are.
NTA, but my pejorative judgments is that he's retarded if he thinks putin has any cards at all. He's stuck in ukraine and can never back out for as long as he's alive, his country's economy is turbo fucked and can only keep going down the longer this goes on, and all of the country's cold war stocks are being turned into keychains for westerners.
Nevermind the fact that
>trusting the russians
>for anything
>ever
If taiwan kicks off the first thing the russians will do is see what they can get away with while the US and its allies are distracted somewhere else. If you think they'd help even just accidentally, I have a crypto coin to sell you.

>>65165044
>clearly allies are only as useful as far as they actually stick their necks out
oh my god, you actually think the russians would help, no way

>>65165007
They are, though.

>>65165049
>>65165063
at no point did i ever suggest that russians would become an ally. they can be useful without being an ally.

>>65165028
The US imported a heap of iron ore from Russia before the war then Canada started to replace Russia as the primary supplier and Trump decided to start a trade war with Canada leading to them cutting off the iron.
Trump can either drop sanctions on Russia or apologize to Canada, he is worse for face culture than the fucking chinks so that isn't much of a choice.

>>65165071
Neither did I.

>>65165000
There is a slight difference between not wanting to be overly antagonist for the sake of negotiations for peace, and bending over backwards to appease Putin. The UN votes show this. America could simply have abstained from the official condemnations of the invasion, but they chose to vote against. Why?

Furthermore, starting the largest land war in Europe since WW2 goes beyond a 'pet fixation'. In any case, why shouldn't it be embarrassed? Annexing sovereign territory has been taboo for a reason, and bringing it back does not serve American interests.

Finally, why would Russia ever act as a counter to China? Russia is entirely reliant on them for their war effort and its obvious now which one is the senior partner of the two. Besides all that, after looking at the last five years of Russia failing to take it's own much smaller neighbour, how in the name of god do you expect them to accomplish anything against china? It's a retarded policy and has been for a long time.

>>65164539
>US starts turning hard as balls towards drones/anti-drone shit on everything
>doesn't manufacture a billion kamikaze drones immediately since they're not in a life or death slugfest
>retards: HURR THE WEST DON'T KNOW BOUT DRONES
they are quite aware of drones

>>65165044
The Armenians, Venezuelans and Iranians would like to have a word with you.

>>65165081
>I need 100 billion dollars to bomb Iran and accomplish fucking nothing please

>>65164552
Holy shit.

>>65165074
why would trump apologize to canada when canada needs the US more than the US needs canada? i wouldn't be surprised if within a year carney announces that he's giving up the various protectionist marketing boards.

>>65165071
Which is why I specified
>even accidentally
Just like they went out of their way to fuck with the EU/Ukraine even though that literally torpedo'd their greatest money maker, in the event of a war with CHYNA, they'd go out of their way to fuck with the US even if it costed them greatly. Because if they didn't, they wouldn't be russians.

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>>65165084
They've been using drones to bomb iranians just fine. The whole operation being a shortsighted clueless geopolitical clusterfuck doesn't mean they aren't aware of and using drones. Retards keep touting how cheap, effective, and so easy to use that towelheads can do it drones are, and then act like the US has no idea how to sling a spicy dorito through the air. While they're doing exactly that.

>>65165113
>AIslop
saar

>>65165103
Think like a grown up for a minute, the US needs steel for pretty much every industry from cars to arms. The options are fund a hostile nation while they wage a war of aggression or admit you fucked up.
If you couldn't admit you fucked up in that situation you are a child.

>>65164898
You are talking to a trump cultist subhuman, for your purposes this "person" may as well not be sapient at all.
This shit is a story old as time, father tells his son that hitler will lead Germany into war, son insists for years that it'll be all good.
They grow apart, assume the ither died and years later meet at a bread line.
Greetings from Germany and enjoy lmao (I laugh but I cry inside)

>>65165079
>Finally, why would Russia ever act as a counter to China?
why would they have to counter China, to be useful to the US?

>>65165108
Also notably putting a "we want to tear apart the EU because civilizational erasure or sth I guess" into their national strategy declaration
Thank fucking god orban lost, he needs to go to jail unironically, else this shit will keep going on.

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>>65164510
The target of 50k monthly RU casualties remains the prevailing mandate.
It will be reached. Trends and tech-advances holding.

How the RU MoD feels like coping with that is up to them.

>>65165118
Don't worry thirdie, the west is trembling in fear of those cheap and easy to manufacture drones that they totally can't make an assload of at high quality despite the fact that they're cheap and easy to manufacture.

>>65165028
trump and his retarded subhuman children got money from russia and he was bailed out by a "private" russian bank
that's most of what there is to it
the other half is that trump is a malignant narcissist that despises democracy in oart because of that
america can be trumps ex wife

>>65165108
>Just like they went out of their way to fuck with the EU/Ukraine even though that literally torpedo'd their greatest money maker
it's clear that russia had a lot of confidence (hubris in hindsight) in their carefully planned and executed influence operation (nordstream 1 & 2, gerhard schröder etc.)
look how long it is taking for europe to tell china nein to all the ev's being dumped into europe while sales of european ev's in china have tanked. politicians are constantly struggling with conflicting interests.

>>65165119
i'm not seeing how the US importing steel from mexico, brazil, india, germany, etc is funding a hostile nation. canada needs the US more than the other way around when it comes to steel.

>>65165168
No one else can export to the US right now beecause they have long term export deals with other countries and opening new mines to increase production takes about a decade.
If you think the US can get by without steel for a decade I'm sure Canada will play that game.

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>>65165138
The thing is that there was never a moment in time when the thirdie world side could had precision deep strikes capabilities, all SOPs learned over the years have to change and the military isn't the most nimble organization

>>65165124
>putin serves a useful purpose in the event that things get more heated between the US and China.
I was referring to this part. Other than a counter to China, what could have been meant by this? What use does Russia offer to the US that makes it worth antagonizing their European allies?

>>65164819
Iceland is not a European country

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>>65164898
He literally told you gay retards russia was a threat and that you should pay NATO denbts but you laughed and told him russia was friendly gas station. Look at where you are now.

>>65165259
He literally told you gay retards russia was a threat
Then why is he so friendly and cordial towards Putin?

>>65165132
>mobilization
I can't even start to imagine what this shit show would be like.
current soldiers are barely trained and equipped so what happens when there are 10x more all of a sudden?
Do they just load them in buses, bring them near the frontline and tell them to run at the enemy?

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>>65165267
Same tactic as they've been doing so far, but can keep doing it for longer.

>>65165267
I think they would try and push them into support roles while taking the enlisted support guys and pushing them into the grinder.
That said I'm thinking rationally and would never consider riding dirt bikes at trenches a good idea so who knows.

Why are ziggericans seething so intensely now that Ukraine is so far ahead of them in drone warfare? Why not try to learn from them?

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>>65165281
>webm
Please let that be real.

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>>65164510
>>65164552
>>65164926
>man-made horrors beyond comprehension are real and deleting people's heads and 99% of this thread is arguing about other shit

>>65165315
I can comprehend them quite easily.

>>65164539
hasnt the US been making drones since the 80s/90s? the only change is that now you can make drones cheaply to fly into stuff and explode directly or provide cheap recon

>>65165259
>e literally told you gay retards russia was a threat and that you should pay NATO denbts
When? He certainly hasn't said that. In fact he has said Ukraine has been totally defeated militarily and Russia has won. Biden admin and the UK both told Ukraine that Russia was gonna attack and they instead believed France and Germany and Ireland and shit like that.

>>65165315
>drone goes BUZZZZZZ
>sees human shaped thing
>BUZZes in that direction
>BOOM
The tech for this shit has been around for years. Decades, even, probably. It is only somewhat more interesting that it's being applied to cheapo alibaba drones rather than on a missile costing an eye and a head.

>>65165044
>clearly allies are only as useful as far as they actually stick their necks out with blood or money
just don't tell Trump that when the US invoked art.5 all those allies showed up and paid up in blood and money for the US

>>65165397
No, once you cross a certain amount of cost, size reduction, and automation then yesterday's tech takes on a completely new context. If Ukraine has any serious quantity of these new drones stockpiled I think it will become clear within the coming weeks.

>>65164567
>>65164584
>>65164943
>>65165089
>>65165315
*AHEM*
https://files.catbox.moe/9czyuv.webm


I am so disappointed these files always balloon so much - dunno what I can do in the editing program itself to make this shit take less space and dont wanna edit the video in an extra step each time I edit a video in the application already
Probably just another case of free software jankware - but I am nonetheless happy about this piece of software kdenlive
It's probably the only game in town wrt free software video editing anyways

>>65165466
nerve gas???

>>65165440
These drones are doing the same thing any other drone in this war is doing, except it allegedly has no pilot.
But neither side really has any issue with finding pilots.
It's definitely an important step in the game of cat and mouse that drones and jammers play, but it's not
>horrors beyond my comprehension
level. I am all for the automation of the TZD process though. Can't expect some poor ukie drone pilot to stay up day and night droning ziggies. Instead, at night, the autonomous zigger-seeker takes his place.

>>65165385
Look I don't even like Trump, but pretending that he didn't say giving Russia money was stupid during his first term before his brain was fried and he started sundowning is legitimately just lying to yourself.

>>65165471
from the magical rectum of benny hill himself I'm afraid

>>65164532
The best way is to nuke their operators and supply chains but that is "not cool and invites a response in kind"

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>>65164526
>boring explosives
I think they are fun.

>>65165472
Then what's your definition of "horrors beyond my comprehension", tough guy? And don't be a bitch by naming some fantasy creature that doesn't exist

>>65165541
When a plane drops 10000s of these over a some barracks it's not. When it will do it over a taiwnese citx then it's gonna be.

>>65165267
>one man gets a rifle, the other man gets ammunition. when the man with the rifle falls, the man with the ammunition picks up the rifle
It's astonishing the soft capital Russia spent for decades trying to "debunk" meat wave assaults on the Eastern Front only to show the world in 4k it's the core to their tactics

>>65164589
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
We're well past the point where this sort of thing is fully possible. We have the technology for the drones, we have the AI for target recognition, now all it takes is for someone to put the pieces together and start mass producing them. We will 100% see this film become reality in the next 10 years.

>>65165267
>Do they just load them in buses, bring them near the frontline and tell them to run at the enemy?
Good lord no!
There's no way a bus could get within walking distance of the front line.

They get bussed to rear positions, put into ladas or pickups and driven to a forward position.
If they survive that (which is less and less common), then they get told to assault. That might be in a vehicle, on foot or by unconventional transport.

>>65165288
>Please let that be real.
It's completely real, some Ukrainian hackers did some funnies a bit before May 9.
There's something like that going on nearly every other week.

>>65165476
Then why is he extending the sanction waivers on Russian oil again and again?

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>>65164529
>MFW the factories are in china

>>65165397
Still costing an eye and a head. ^_^

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Can we update the sticky to cover /news/ posts now?

>>65165050
To be fair, when you look at the scale of just how much American planes were produced (not only bomber, but fighters for both theaters in ever-increasing numbers), these types of production figures and streamlining were unheard of at any point in human history. I was watching this educational video on B-24 production just the other day, and the fact that EACH bomber had more than a quarter of a million rivets, and they were producing them hourly? I can very much see why anyone would doubt American claims, because to any other plane-producing nation of the era, the rates at which they could pump out these things was just ludicrous.

Here's the video, very much worth a look. Incredibly educational, and I love the fact that they physically require midgets for the job.
https://youtu.be/p2zukteYbGQ?si=mbZrwfrKN9m8NCJK

>>65164552
Jesus Christ, this shit is autonomous???

>>65165757
I think its semi-autonomous in that case with an EFP/directed frag-cloud warhead of some sort, the pilot seems to just be making the most of the targeting system by waiting until its got a lock on one and auto-shooting when they're directly in line with one another.
It is relatively new though, like the last month or so give/take however long it takes for clearance of the footage

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>>65164510
Dam now it's even harder to intercept. I highly doubt the autonomy claims but still that's pretty cool. The double kill one is neat

>>65164552
nerve gas

>>65164539
>are you CIA? You have to tell me if you're CIA

>>65165281
>>65165288

boy i would be scared shitless if i was in that room

>>65165281
>fonejacker

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>troons, /pol/, vatniks, browns and leftists have reverted back to their 2024 tactic of begging the jannies to delete any thread about russia's failures by claiming that it is off-topic.

>>65165613
Again, first term. Then and now. What if you ate breakfast today. Etc.
I've already talked about how Trump's brain is fried now.

>>65164790
kek

>>65164864
>Aussie
From a country that exists because of a colony (or a bunch of them more precisely) democratically deciding they want to be independent and form their own state, their home government facilitating it, and then having basically no drama over the past century as they became more independent but retained friendly relations. A country that in turn also basically did this with PNG.
Obviously it doesn't always go that smoothly but I don't know why people are convinced that military force is the only way to bring a new state into existence.

>>65164510
Just a thought, but with modern data harvesting, couldn't you rig a system up use facial recognition to figure out you you killed? That way you could get some sort of robocaller to inform their loved ones that their father/son/brother/ect died. You could even send footage, or get some generative AI to make a basedjak or something of their final moments.

This would probably be too expensive to use at scale but this could be a good way to demoralize enemy populations even if you only do about a dozen of these a day.

>>65165622
Kek.

>>65164534
Most of that is classified, but I've found their corporate headquaters on google maps.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WTHMCA4yvPYNuXxE9

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>>65164862
>Ukies have no magic experience
The nature of magic or Ukraines experience with it will not be discussed in public, you have been warned.

>>65165757
>Jesus Christ, this shit is autonomous???
I'm pretty sure it's command detonated.
The only word about facial recognition is from the Russian side, it may be cope to explain why Ukrainians are better at it.

We can envisage how something like that would work but Ukraine hasn't claimed it exists, a few commentators/propagandists have just reposted Russian claims.

>>65165702
>EACH bomber had more than a quarter of a million rivets, and they were producing them hourly?
400k rivets actually.
They weren't produced in an hour though, it's just it's a pipeline and one comes off the end of the pipeline every hour.
The duration of the build process isn't a factor in the rate of production, it just influences how long your pipeline has to be and how long it takes to start producing output.

>they physically require midgets for the job
I skimmed through it, which part had the midgets?

>>65166584
>I don't know why people are convinced that military force is the only way to bring a new state into existence
I'm an aussie and I believe that Australia would be quite a different, possibly better, country if we'd actually won a revolution or rebellion at some point in our history.

There have been very few serious acts of rebellion in Australian history, the most obvious one was absolutely crushed and only won a partial political victory afterwards.
I think if we'd ever successfully achieved anything by resisting the power of the day, we'd be a less authoritarian/boot-licker society today.

>>65164987
That's indonesia ball

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>>65166591
>probably be too expensive
You could probably offset it with some private sector investment, send them an SMS to call 1800 CHEETOS or DORITOS for a weeks worth of snacks and how your trash goblin relative just got ass blasted and for a $20 donation they'll send you the footage before they got turned into chunks

>>65165035
Don't be foolish. Conventional bombs are still orders of magnitude more effective. The two are not meant for the same role

>>65165281
>Your enemy hijacking your communications in a meeting to warn you not to intervene
Maybe we have to forgive some of those movie comparisons, that's absurd.

>>65166611
To be fair, after the SEAD/DEAD operations were through, it would have been more efficient to spam shitty low cost drones for static targets.

>>65165084
Bombing Iran is good in itself.

>>65166614
Nah, it's like saying we should use .22lr when our enemies don't have body armor. It's not so much that it wouldn't work, but it's not just about doing the bare minimum damage

>>65166618
>we should use .22lr when our enemies don't have body armor
tbf 5.56 isn't far off being high speed .22lr

>>65166614
It depends a lot on the static target and how quickly you want it blown up, and how totally. By the time you start designing a drone that can do what a JDAM or JDAM-ER can in terms of damage, you've basically just designed cruise missile. For this purpose it'd probably be cheaper to hang the same explosive and guidance package off a reusable plane instead of also blowing up the propulsion with it.

>>65166614
Some airforce goobers could probably do the math but once you figure in the multi million dollar airframe, running costs, pilot training, maintenance and everything else. Suddenly a $50k FP2 drone with a 100kg warhead is pretty cheap and its also accurate enough that close enough is good enough.
Considering no-risk to pilots or planes taking battle damage along with all the other shit

Obviously multirole planes and stuff can do a lot more, but if you just need basic, low risk bomb-truck jobs, kinda hard to beat. I mean, 50k is REALLY fucking cheap, I remember gunship pilots and drone pilots letting rip Hellfire's like fat kids go through cake and they were 100k munitions

>>65166628
So keep in mind the cost of a platform and of a munition aren't equal. You get to keep your pilot and your plane after a mission unless it went particularly poorly. That money doesn't literally go up in smoke the same way it does when you fire a munition. Your cost argument has to bake in the fact that zero of those dollars are going towards maintaining your ability to call on an extremely capable aircraft, pilot and ground crew. Those are also assets you already have, and would be maintaining anyway. A little more wear and danger, yes, but even flying them in peacetime to keep hours up comes with those.
Not saying you can't make the case of course, you just can't treat it as apples to apples.

>>65166636
I don't think it'll ever get too close to what a decent plane can drop and keep dropping, FA-18's are sort of the gold standard for that. But I reckon it's getting pretty close to eating a gunship's lunch because those tend to be a really high risk operation at the best of times.

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>>65164680
Yeah

>>65166640
Oh for sure, what all the done talk obscures is we're basically just talking about affordable PGMs that can be attached as assets way lower in the force structure than ever before. They're going to have a place going forwards and some of that place is going to come at the cost of existing platforms, though probably not outright replacing.

>>65164842
>trump wants more balanced trade with europe
Why? Unbalanced trade favors both countries far more than a hypothetical balanced trade status. We're not cavemen working on barter economy. Those with more stuff sell more and those with more money buy more. Trade deficits are a necessary part of extremely advanced modern economies and should be treated as what they are, neutral indicators of outgoing and incoming trade, not strategy game economy points.

>>65164842
>heh, you actually took threats seriously? well joke's on you, our president was actually just being a hostile retard for no reason!
good one

>>65164510
>killbots are real
Being an infantryman is going to really fucking suck in the future

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>>65165586
Receiver wasn't supposed to be a training game.

Putin bought us to this age of manmade horrors. All he had to do was not invade a country.

>>65166605
Agreed, so many here just accept the government doing shit 90% of the population hates as if there is nothing we can do about it. I'm self radicalizing as I watch our rights be stripped away for the interests of political donors.
I honestly have a heap of respect for the French, they killed their government once and when ever they cross the line they put guillotines in front of parliment to remind them.

That said the US should be anti-authoritarian but they have completely lost that in the decades since Vietnam, they know their rights are being stripped and the 2A doesn't seem to work as intended.
>inb4 clap baiting
I'm not, I just see a population armed for the explicit goal of overthrowing the government taking the patriot act, NSA and militarized police laying down.

>>65166647
Yep, that looks like everything in the outer rim of the cone gets peppered with those wedges and whatever is in the interior of the cone gets EFPed.

>>65164510
i remember seeing this same thing at least a year ago

>>65164510
Soon the drones will have AI with drone recognition and fully automated mini-WW2 air combat will commence.

>>65166694
>Receiver wasn't supposed to be a training game.
Wasn't it initially actually intended to be a training game?

>>65164621
Sadly rats are still roaming the dumpsters, instead of being hunted as food. The rule of projection demands the hamster video maniests into reality in puccia.

>>65165585
I remember them being so upset about The Death of Stalin and Chernobyl, but recent years have convinced me that they are more documentary than fiction

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>>65166709
>the US should be anti-authoritarian but they have completely lost that
Eh, the occupy movement was outlasted and dismantled when the enthusiasm waned but every BLM riot is a backlash against authoritarianism too, the spirit is alive.
Jan6 capitalised on the sentiment too, even if it was leveraged for a goal that would have significantly increased authoritarianism, it utilised feelings of rebellion and disenfranchisement in the useful idiots who were the rank and file.
Which isn't wildly different from every revolution desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BM-Q3BDrkw

>>65164842
>threats about greenland are just his usual opening gambit

>>65166743
To be fair to anon, his usual gambit IS to open with something ludicrous to make the actual goal seem reasonable. I don't get why he's trying to act like this particular 'example' accomplished anything other than alienating allies, or how the 4D chessmaster managed to miss that if you threaten to invade your buddies and then start a war without telling them, there's a possibility they might not show up with bells on to help you.

>>65166726
No, it was part of a game jam in 2012 to make an FPS in 7 days.

>>65164589
Funny you said that..
Actually some Brazillians crime organizations have been sending people to Ukraine to learn how to use drones, Mostly Comando vermelho (CV) e o Primeiro comando da capital (PCC). They use people with no crime record, but Ukraine notice that and now is a bit harder.

>>65166709
>the 2A doesn't seem to work as intended.
The 2A isn't about resisting governmental oppression, it's about defending the nation while the real army is forming up to march to the site of the invasion, because that's weeks away and we need defenders right now.

>>65166599
The entire narrative that it has
>Thermals
>Facial recognition
>Autonomous
Sounds like horseshit and you cannot take it at face value. The cost of the optics used, the thermals and the computing required means that the price would skyrocket for the individual drone munition and on top of that you would have just made a hunter-killer drone with no way of distinguishing between friend or foe while having a battery time of 30 minutes give or take.
The entire drone munitions sphere is filled with disinfo and retarded l*ddit talking point.

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>>65165466
it's because your bitrate is set to 5mbit, while it should be around 1000 for the 4 mb limit. You are also using vp8 instead of 9. Best is to export in mp4 10 mbit or more and then use ffmpeg + some tool or command line to crunch it down to webm vp9 with 2 passes.

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>>65166792
>*angry boomer MIC noises*
https://militarnyi.com/en/news/ukraine-launches-production-of-thermal-imaging-cameras-for-fpv-drones/

>>65166858
>256×192 pixels
Which are usually used by those gizmos used to detect difference in temperatures. Mostly for building and process plant inspections? Adds limited capability. Just reinforces the point that they have started strapping EFP's to drone munitions to take out troops and the "hunter killer drone" is propaganda.

>>65166880
https://thefourthlaw.ai/#section4

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>>65166858
Oh damn, that's really fucking cheap and explains a few things like the whole murder in the dark stuff going on, tent-ziggers, penguin suits and other shenanigans

>>65164510
>AI
I don't know if this is a good idea man...

This stuff scares me. Then again I'm sure the first missile scared people. It's just so personal, this little flying thing hovering up to you and blowing you up.
How can these things be stopped? Can you jam them hard enough to fry circuits even if they're operating through fiber-optics or completely self-guided? Why aren't we seeing tons of little AA guns being added to everything? If the AI can recognize a face, it should be able to recognize a drone, and shoot it down?

>>65164552
seriously, why do they think hitting these things with a stick or a shovel or whatever the fuck will work?
I know there are only really bad options in this situation, but hitting the bomb with something seems like one of the worst ones.

>>65164842
yeah nah this is retarded and you're retarded for posting it

>>65164842
You can't actually be this retarded.
Really makes you think what the real agenda behind posts like these is.

>>65164926
>tweet not found
lame.

>>65167800
https://xcancel.com/GloOouD/status/2056393981982888270

>>65164561
Yup demanding allies spend more than 2% GDP on defense is about weaken them

>>65165622
In today's episode of reality is stranger than fiction: They're actually in Russia.
Well, not quite.
Ukraine doesn't buy military drones off the shelf from Russia, no.
But they do get some drone components through Russia.

>>65164834
If you think Europe practiced free trade with anyone let alone the US your polically inept. Balancing our trade with all nations is critical, and long over due. I bet you even think Chinese EVs are cheap.

>>65164860
Conflating the actions of corrupt politicians with the American people...

>>65164864
Go from getting dog walked to ending the finally ending the Marshall plan. It high time trade was adjusted.

>>65164946
How many F-16 is Belgium sitting on? How about French Mirage 2000? Dont pretend like European nations are taking defending Ukraine to earnestly.

>>65167852
Thanks anon. Funnily enough, I tried using xcancel earlier and it didn't work.

>>65167879
I though burgeristan was supposed to be a democracy? A representative democracy? One where the leaders represent the people?

>>65165081
>>65165084
https://dronedominance.mil/

>>65166667
This nigga thinks keynsian economics is real lmao
Chinese yuan printer go bur
Asian tiger government plans
Euros cook up another bureaucratic law

>>65165081
US is honestly so far behind in drone doctrine and manufacturing that I can't remember the last time it was this far behind in any military affairs.
I suppose the downside of having a large and very well established military is tha this kind of revolutionary change with a whole new branch of arms is not easy to adapt to. No matter how good the organization, it just won't have the agility.

>>65164548
>every middle power and higher has observers
Better than nothing, but all the smart ones are co-developing drones with them rather than observing from the cuck chair

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>>65166728
Russians only eat a little bit of rat, a rat a day keeps you healthy
A rat can live in garbage so its good for your immune system, studies show by Russian doctors that the protein and benefits of eating rat 3 times a day is good for you. Evidence shows that ancient Russians benefited from eating rats over winter as well keeping them ingesting vitamins and the more rats you eat, the better it is for you.
After eating all the rats, there is no evidence of rats ever being eaten, why are you picking on poor Russians with hateful story?

>>65164539
Its not as important now just get a Telegram account and follow some X they're broadcasting their new things.

>>65164510
Well, that settles it. I’m gonna sell all my guns sans a 6 shooter and be a good goy. We’re all so utterly fucked and there’s nothing we can do about it.