Why are do many people, including /here/, still not realize the most important type of warship is submarines? Is it just a Pentagon psyop - "we have more carriers so we're better"? If your enemy gains undersea control your surface fleet doesn't mean shit. Also, subs can carry nukes. Fairly important that.
>>65165195...you do realize an attack sub is part of a carrier deployment fleet, right?
Say it with me>IM-
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1. They're fucked as platform in the 21st century. If it's not the sonar arrays that do it then quantum sensing from space renders undersea stealth game ogre.2. In a real conflict they quickly become single-shot coffins in a best case scenario.
>>65165255>quantum sensing from spaceThe CIA used to put effort into psyops
>>65165195>we have more carriers so we're betterwe have more SSNs too so what's your point
>>65165429Important for range, but the Chinese have a pile of diesel subs that tip things in their favor locally
>>65165195>Is it just a Pentagon psyop - "we have more carriers so we're better"?You should look up who has the most and best submarines in the world.
>>65165450>the Chinese have a pile of diesel subs that tip things in their favor locallyThe very newest Chinese submarine that only entered the water earlier this year and hasn't entered service yet is expected to be comparable to a 1970s Los Angeles class.
>>65165195Vely impleassive . Vely chink khu lung
>>65165195They still cost a lot and have a lot of special considerations.
>>65165255yup, you should say "Kelvin Wave" too like that's supposed to mean something.
>>65165265I've read a lot about the CIA and when exactly were they competent?
>>65165195>can't use it in per war because an SSBN launch would be treated as nuclear atack
>>65165195Vastly overrated, one of these can easily be destroyed by an AI virus, which itself is vulnerable to Tom Cruise, while Tom Cruise has no vulnerability to submarines. Why do so many people here still not realize the most important weapon in modern war is Tom Cruise?
Because they spend much of their time below surface of the ocean.
>>65165195I’m very glad China is using the humpback design for their boomers like the Ruski Deltas had. It’s underrated
>>65165195Subs carrying nukes is usually a retaliatory strike option. The emphasis on carriers vs submarines is also based on naval doctrine. Soviets based much of their fleets around the submarine in order to counter American superiority on the open oceans using naval aviation
>>65165229China's sub force is infamously shitty and neglected, more so than the rest of their armed forces.
>>65165754Slipping up to the enemy coast and popping a nuke is also a first strike option.
>>65165898In MAD situation, either "first strike", or "a"(one, 1) nuke means nothing. russian china and pakistan are guaranteed to be wiped out.
>>65165727/k/ is a BoJo board.
>>65165195I'm amazed they are lot of peoples you can fit lot of people inside of Sub. I think they have 150 people inside a Submarine? That fucking alot. I though you can only fit 2 digits people at most.
>>65165222I thought they have their own independent group? Like a wolfpack or something.
I have come full circle on this recentlythe amount of money and spaxe and time needed to put humans into weapons undersea and in the air is prohibitive and politically will not fly in any developed nation in 15 years. drone everything at this point fr fr
>>65165195>Why are do many people, including /here/Who? We talk about subs all the time.>still not realize the most important type of warship is submarinesThis is an idiotic take>If your enemy gains undersea control your surface fleet doesn't mean shit.False>Also, subs can carry nukes.So can ships, so can planes, so can trains, so can holes in the ground.Besides, it kinda helps if your new wonderwaffle doesn't just sink pierside.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjrq0ewj77o
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>>65166069Bruh. Are you still in the Fuhrer bunker from 1945. In a real peer war, nuke subs mogs surface targets like that judge vs clavicular or whatever his name is. Surface ships are only useful against weaker 3rd world navies and for peacetime policing. In a real war, they'll get sunk very fast. Nuke subs are faster than surface ships, inherently stealthy and can be right at your doorstep. The big ones carry retaliatory nukes too, meaning they can't be preemptively sunk. They are the alpha and omega of the naval battle meta right now. Soon, we'll have proper nuke drone subs too, meaning it can lurk under the sea...forever until activated. We haven't seen the full horrors yet.
>>65166267You are a child, we have nothing to discuss.
>>65166267NTA whats the biggest radar you can mount on a sub?
>>65166267You have to be 18 or older to post on this site, champ.
>>65165450Diesel subs only work as giant seamines basically and only once they get on-station and they can only stay on-station for a couple of weeks>>65165706>when exactly were they competent?Whenever it's convenient to turdies to explain why their governments are hopelessly corrupt, financial collapses, famine, plague, earthquakes, and your mum's daily change in boyfriends
>>65165255Even if you know where the sub is, it's still protected by water retard
Bong subs look like hippos from the front
>>65166267What an absolutely retarded fucking zoomie.
There's a reason why the First Island Chain is importantEverything to the west of it is shallow waters and all subs regardless of nation can be spotted via satellite. Waters east of the First Island Chain are deep enough to hide every sub, especially Chinese boomers
