>>65167944
Do we get to know which area we're going?

>>65167970
No, you get an interpreter or AI magic device or some shit to communicate with your side though

>>65167944
So do I have to pick time appropriate items or can I go back to pre-gunpowder days and just pick guys off with .270 from a tree?
Or demostrate to them and become an Emperor or God?

>>65167986
You get to bring anything you own now, or I guess civilian-available equipment because you can always lie to me about what you actually own. You can demonstrate I guess but if you are intentionally trying to influence the future beyond winning the battle you get b7

If you actually have to fight in melee, bring a full set of hardened plate armor, a sword (can be a medieval arming sword or something of the sort) and a shield (oval might fit in best with the time period).
Not a safe bet by any means though. One guy won't make a difference in battle and when your compatriots die you will get ganked.

Otherwise, a heavy barrel AR10 (or maybe some other rifle that deals with sustained fire better) and all the ammo I can carry. Demonstrate what it does, then hang back and snipe enemies all day.

>>65167975
If I get training time, then hammer-whip.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=hammer+whip&&mid=2DC05C860944C4C2D29D2DC05C860944C4C2D29D&churl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fchannel%2fUCyApFEAitO4cOHgBCV8lxpQ&FORM=VAMGZC

If no training time, then I'll use what the locals use.

>>65167944
my bolt action .22lr and shit loads of bricks.
time to show the locals why antibiotics were invented

>>65168047
If you have plate armor a shield is just unnecessary weight
I'd just wear a shark suit in any case as it's pretty much capable of handling anything while being much lighter, less cumbersome to put on/take off (plate often requiring someone's assistance) and doesn't cuck you in water

>>65168077
>If you have plate armor a shield is just unnecessary weight
My man, I'm trying to survive here, not do maximum damage in a battle that I care nothing about.
Also pls give some info about this shark suit. What's it made of?

>>65168077
You can go into battle dressed as a mascot if you wish, but everyone will laugh at you. Have some respect.

I think people underestimate how psychologically fucked it would be to see your comrades get hit with a firearm as pre modern/pre industrial human, the forces and speeds involved would be so far out of their depth of understanding that you'd just seem like a demon/wizard smiting them and it'd be an immediate route 99% of the time. Even in musket era it would seem like an alien came down, froze time, and killed 20 people at once.

Anyways I'd bring my tikka and snipe their commanders

>>65168124
This
Imagine you have zero concept of firearms, projectile weapons in your mind are fairly slow moving and easy to see arrows that can't pierce shields or non-poverty armor, and suddenly you just hear a lot of weird rapid thunder like noises in the distance and like half your fully armored and shielded guys just start randomly dropping dead.

>>65168146
>Imagine you have zero concept of firearms
You're both retarded. They had eruptor style weapons in the fucking classical period. Literal fucking napalm spewers.

>>65168156
Wow they could squirt burning oil that's fucking wild anon I'm sure they would instantly figure out and devise countermeasures against lead bullets travelling at 2000fps sniping them from 1000 yards instead of pissing their pants and breaking instantly

>>65168169
>I'm sure they would instantly figure out and devise countermeasures
You don't need to kill the rifle, just the man. Those people were much more clever than you are. It's not like you could even build a rifle or craft primer, you only know how to point and click. That is, assuming you're not a no-guns McGee.

>>65168047
>bring a full set of hardened plate armor, a sword
Do you have these things? Read the op, retard, he asks what YOU would bring and specifies that you can only bring things you actually own.

>>65168178
How do you kill the man when the man can easily kill you from farther than anyone could accurate shoot a bow? There's basically zero effective counter for modern firearms in antiquity.

>>65167944
Oh shit, am I gonna lose weight?

>>65168178
Oh yeah their single literate officer who knows about Aristotle would definitely use his sage wisdom to reason from first principles that he just died because I shot him in the head from a hilltop 750 yards away and communicate to his men that they simply need to regroup, take cover, and hunt down the man wielding zeus's lightning while I continue to shoot them through their shields and wooden fortifications

>>65168092
>give some info about this shark suit. What's it made of?
Sharks. It's in the name.

>>65167944
Old Remington double-barrel, a chainsaw, and a whole bunch of 00 Buck, Slug, and gasoline.

>>65168178
He can literally bring 350lbs of stuff, he could have thousands of rounds.

>>65168092
Plate is more than enough for personal protection. Excluding a shield in this case isn't for muh max DPS but excluding unnecessary weight. Niggas collapse when overloaded with shit today how long you lugging around a shield while encased in metal along with a weapon? I'd even opt for an arming sword just to minimize hassle of carry compared with some zweihander or halberd that would be for 'max damage'.
Sharksuits are generally steel mesh but can be titanium as well. They're superior to medieval mail and much lighter while also being great for water (go figure)
They're frankly the perfect modern armor one could bring into the past

>>65167944
Makes me wish I had more ammo stocked for my firearms. One long gun and 6000 rounds is within most people's weight limit. Obviously you're not soloing entire armies, but you can ensure a breakthrough or take out enemy leaders or elites.

I would die anyways probably through my failure to learn other languages. A modern man should be an excellent advisor to setup hygiene in medicine, food, waste and a bonus if you can remember mathematics and other industrial processes. You should be able to have a lab make black powder.

>>65168219
>He can literally bring 350lbs of stuff
Minus bodyweight. So fats get 100lbs of gear and skinny gets 200lbs.

>>65168047
AR15 will serve you better than a 10. You can still area fire on formations at 500 yards and be untouchable while carrying significantly more ammo.

>>65168178
You lost the argument and you lashing out proves it.

>>65168219
>>65168333
100 pounds of M80 is ~1,800 rounds.
So minus 10# for a rifle. Plus minus some mags if you go semi auto.
You could single load a boltie and still be nigh untouchable.

>>65168179
Some people collect things you know

>>65167944
Lets see, I'm 180, my maille shirt is around 35lbs (fuck my giant chungus life), I'll bring along my SR-15, ACOG+RMR ~7lbs, guess I'll bring a plate carrier just because UHMWPE+Ceramic plates are lighter than steel and should work just fine and would be a good lighter option, plus give me more options for carrying stuff. So plates, carrier, mag pouches, we're looking at about 10 lbs. I'll bring along a pistol and a hundred rounds, call it 10lbs to be safe. The rest will be six mags and 5.56 right up to weight limit.

I'd much rather just bring plate armor, but I don't have any. Oh well.

>>65168362
people who have plate armor know the shield is useless. He doesn't.

>>65168390
>hawk tuah on the (bodkin) tip

>>65168124
Agreed but; shock value only goes so far. You need to rule the night while ur at it. The strangeness will be scary at first but; when looking at the wounds it is similar to if a sling and ballista had a baby.

With that in mind, ur dealing with a super long range and portable sling ballista hybrid that has a fuck ton of range and shoots fast. Which means you need to get him when he can’t use this weapon. The most viable way would be to wait for night, then advance. If ur opponent is stationary; just don’t go towards him during the day and stay behind ballista proof shit. If he’s mobile; just move by night and stay in your fortifications

It becomes harder once you have an army; but the problem is once ur past shock value a firearm can be seen as a loud, fast firing ballista that “throws” lead with enough force to go thru the body.

It’s not really that scary once u get a tactician who looks at what u can; and can’t do.

500 yards is a lot in the day in open terrain. Once we get into the dense woods, 500 yards is great when u can only see 50 feet infront of you on a good day. That gets further minimized when they can’t kill u; but they can set the forest on fire and kill the guy carrying the rapid fire ballista.

The point being is there’s a lot of shock value at first; but once the item is normalized it becomes less effective. Once it looses its main value (which is shock) you get ballsy people who enjoy the hunt.

The other thing people forget; humans are scary good at endurance hunting and ambush predation. They don’t even need to get to you by day, they just need to slow you until you have to set up camp at night. Once that happens; a knife beats gun in a clinch.

>>65168191
The knife is an excellent counter to the gun when at grappling distance. You are imaging this being an open battlefield, when it could be an ambush at the market.

>>65168362
>a guy with a full harness on /k/ that has zero interest in posting a pic of it.
Doesn't exist.

>>65168449
>Agreed but; shock value only goes so far.
Not really.
>It becomes harder once you have an army; but the problem is once ur past shock value a firearm can be seen as a loud, fast firing ballista that “throws” lead with enough force to go thru the body.
>It’s not really that scary once u get a tactician who looks at what u can; and can’t do.
Yes it is. What a retarded post.
>yeah the enemy army has one guy who can kill us at any range we are within sight of them, by the hundreds, he can easily target commanders, officers, and nobles, utterly erasing any semblance of order and disrupting our entire army before battle commences
kinda a big deal.
>The other thing people forget; humans are scary good at endurance hunting and ambush predation. They don’t even need to get to you by day, they just need to slow you until you have to set up camp at night.
Did you read OP's post? You're an auxiliary in battles not a one man army isekai protagonist.
>Once that happens; a knife beats gun in a clinch.
>The knife is an excellent counter to the gun when at grappling distance.
Oh, you're one of THOSE retards. No, and the reason is obvious. To kill someone with a knife reliably you have to stab them dozens of times. To kill someone with a gun you need to pull the trigger once. "muh knife beats gun"/21 foot rule is in a specific scenario at close distance where the attacker is already prepared, has the weapon in hand, and the target is completely unaware of their intent or presence. Now let's reverse the role, you're 21 feet away from a guy with a knife in its sheathe and you have a revolver in your pocket pointed at him center of mass. How many times out of a million will he survive? Zero with a competent shooter.

>>65167944
full plated armor, longsword,m4 carbine, 500rds of 5.56,grenades

>>65168498
based illiterate

>>65168495
Yeah it's like dark souls. You get summoned in by the boss of one army and fight until one side is victorious or you die.

>>65168449
>You are imaging this being an open battlefield, when it could be an ambush at the market.
OP literally said you're being isekai'd into a battle.

>>65168092
stainless steel.

Whatever I have to do to keep the Archduke from going to Serbia

>>65168498
>>only items that you actually own
Can you not fucking read? You don't owk that.

>>65168385
>So plates, carrier, mag pouches, we're looking at about 10 lbs
Put it on a scale.

>>65168697
k

>>65168703
yeah it's 12 lbs, think I'll be fine.

>>65168178
At the very simplest, anon with modern weapons needs to eat, sleep, take dumps. Let's say you teleported to Ostia in 30BC, coveniently spoke fluent Latin, and didn't immediately aggro the Romans; once you strolled into town, and they figured out you were a weird outsider, they would watch you, figure out what the fuck your deal was, and could poison you, bum rush you to shank you up close, so on and so forth. Can't always dictate the terms of battle.

>>65168736
>literally summoned to aid in battle
>uhm ok what if we throw the thread topic out the window and solve an entirely different problem?
No retard.

>>65168745
>battles don't go on more than 1 day
>there are no human factors in battle, ancient humans are just automatons
video game brained

If you're talking a fight, how many people could you kill in a mall shooting before getting bumrushed? Fat mall-americans also don't have cavalry or archers. You'd legit take an arrow to a knee and bleed the fuck out trying to put a CAT on.

File: 1701416546478868.jpg (95 KB, 640x360)

95 KB JPG

>>65167944
bucket of chemicals needed to make blackpowder
>Go to the nearest lord/commander
>"YO Vale Caesar, I got the weapon of the future!" in broken common greek
>Proceed to blow my hands off
>Get executed for being a retard
>The latent buttaids anthrax in me spreads as the sap of my body gorges the ground around me
>Tfw I'm the cause for the Antonine plague

>>65168694
you dont know that and im not abiding by those gay rules

>>65167944
I kind of want one of these, but make it 8 feet long like the fucking Masamune

File: 1470780293549.png (374 KB, 763x960)

374 KB PNG

>>65168754
What ancient battle too place inside of an enclosed mall?
I really don't get what you're trying to do here, your weird insistence on moving the goalpost for... Whatever the fuck argument you're trying to make is actually bizarre and borderline schizophrenic.

>>65168754
Ok so all of a sudden the side that summoned you is going to forget that? No, you just want to solve a different problem than the one you were given because you want a different flavor of isekai larp you anime brained faggot.
>If you're talking a fight, how many people could you kill in a mall shooting before getting bumrushed?
Literally thousands.
>Fat mall-americans also don't have cavalry or archers.
And your enemy is in almost any scenario going to be in a field with wide open visibility and will be at a vastly greater distance than rampage spree shooter distances, before closing.
>You'd legit take an arrow to a knee and bleed the fuck out trying to put a CAT on.
The world record longbow range is 415 yards. What do you suppose is going to happen to an ancient army that has never even seen fireworks before when at 800 yards their commanders start getting center punch dropped? Are they going to form a suicidal cavalry charge to kill one (1) guy, ignoring the entire rest of your side's army, someone they can't even see or identify, or are they going to surrender or flee because their empire just collapsed after the entire ruling caste was killed in thirty seconds flat?

>>65168440
Bodkin typically does shit to pl8. You are ignorant.
It will fuck up men at arms and mounts but knights are by and large fine.

>>65168768
I'm saying your role in battle is essentially equivalent to a mass shooter against less armed people. The fact that even with AR-15 you can be overwhelmed even by unarmed people indicates that the whole fantasy of you becoming an unstoppable juggernaut in a battle of thousands is silly, even with rifle plate, which of course will do nothing to stop hits on your arms and legs which can easily be quite fatal.

Name some specific battles if you want to structure this whole thought experiment better. Right now it's just 'jack off about whatever LARP garbage you have in your basement and how you would totally kill all the Persians with your chinese plastic armor'

>>65168721
I accept your concession. You were only off by 20%.
Still better than a woman.

>>65168772
>literally thousands
Guns never jam, you can see 360 degrees, you can traverse instantly and shoot multiple people at the same time?

>open fields
There's elevation, hills have crests, trees, rocks, all manner of landscape. Weather conditions, night, whatever, reduced visibility. I mean sure if you fight in the Mongolian steppes, you'll do great with a rifle.

>People are going to behave like I assume they will
I imagine people would freak out at gunfire, but you'd probably freak out if you had a mass of arrows coming down over you as well. But this is /k/ and you are a ten foot tall space marine, so nevermind.

>>65168778
ok, it's the battle of Jaxarters.

I shoot Alexander in the chest. I then move on to the catapult crews. I fire into the first ranks of the Companion cavalry assuming they haven't already fled, slowing their advance. The battle is already over and the Empire is already dead. Total Scythian victory.
>>65168781
yes anon, the ability to instantly delete the enemy commander is actually a very big deal and did change the entire way wars are fought for that very reason.

>>65168772
>>65168781
You are both retarded.
But if you start sniping officers, the levy will break.

>>65168788
>le both sides
No, you're just a gigantic nigger.

>>65168785
Yeah, I don't doubt a rifle would be absolutely excellent in ancient battles, especially if you're just focus firing the guy with the big hat. What my schizo ass is just getting at is there's many factors to war beyond just loadout. It makes it far more interesting if it isn't just some wish fulfillment fantasy where you are unstoppable, as well. I could literally grab any rifle from my safe and probably be quite a threat, but that's direct fire only. Arrows are capable of indirect fire, and if you're talking hundreds of enemy troops, that's not something I'd discount.

>>65168788
>But if you start sniping officers, the levy will break.
Again, that's the assumption that people will behave how you think they will. What's to say that these ancient men who literally are more battle hardened than 99.9% of anon, who kill motherfuckers with spears and worship gods of war, will wither and fade rather than charge you en masse, Zulu style? Are you going to make every shot in a rain of pilum and plumbata while some motherfucker blows a horn? Nah, you'll piss yourself.

Even in wide open plains, you think you can take on a tumen of mongolian horse archers with a rifle?

>>65168792
That would be such a good point if you were literally the only person there, but you're not. You vastly outrange the enemy, exceeding even world record archers (firing indirectly). Most ancient battles were fought in open plains with little in the way of cover or concealment. Officers and commanders would be rather easy to pick out in ancient armies. This would be utterly devastating to unit cohesion and coordination, and in many cases spell defeat for the entire nation rather than just a loss in a single battle. Even in less centralized nations like Rome, if you just suddenly drop Pompey at Lycus, the entire course of human history is altered.

>>65168806
you're again forgetting there's still an entire army on your side. And yes, generally the loss of the commander meant a total loss of the battle, in many cases the whole war, and frequently enough the collapse of entire kingdoms.

>>65168806
You have any idea how many fuckers I could drop before I am in pilum range?
I would be reloading mags before I needed to disperse.

>>65168809
Again, even summoned to aid an army, you are still just one dude. Optics alone would probably be enough to 'shift the tide', without firing a shot, just being able to dispel the fog of war slightly, let alone dome someone. I just figure all it takes is one lucky hit against you and that's it. Multiple that by a volley of arrows.

>>65168820
Are they just going to stand around for you like a trap range? Mother fuckers have *horses*.

>>65168827
Are they just going to teleport to you?
>>65168822
>I just figure all it takes is one lucky hit against you and that's it. Multiple that by a volley of arrows.
Ok don't be unlucky retard. If some random peasant could do a 20 year legion career I'm sure you'll be fine in literally one battle in which you immediately erase the enemy leadership and destroy any semblance of command structure they had.

>>65168829
>speed of cavalry at charge
20-30mph. They'd be on top of you pretty quick mate, especially in an open field. Keep in mind mongol horse archers basically grew up on a saddle, hunted from saddle back famed for their accuracy. You're going to be a mostly stationary target as a shooter (at least relative to a guy riding on a horse, you aren't moving fast). An easy target.

>20 year career
Lots of people also died. I mean sure, you are the main character of your scenario, so I wish you well, I'm just saying wish fulfillment is sort of boring. I think it's pretty obvious a rifle would change most historical battles.

>>65168831
>An easy target.
yes, and they are going to pick me out from the 10,000 people in the army, focus fire on only me, and will pursue this endeavor psychotically even thought their command structure was eliminated and their head of state ceased to exist

>>65168827
And if I am in dug in? Are they going to dismount and rush my position? After I blast them with 5.56? They keep coming?
Are they going to starve me out?

>>65168834
I mean, you are the guy with the loud stick.

>>65168836
Do you think they can identify that in the enemy rank, having never seen a firearm before, while ten thousand other people are actively trying to kill them?

>>65168835
"Dug in", sure, if you want to build a bunker, go for it. This is all hypotheticals. If a fight went long enough, are you going to bring a few cases of Rip-Its and tins of pervetin to stay awake for days n end? I dunno, if I was going back in time I'd be buying slave girls and getting ancient poontang in Subura, not doing gay shit with Alexander the Great.

>>65168841
I don't know, but if the answer is 'yes', then you're fucked.

>>65168843
To follow up and flesh that out more, I just mean if we're talking hypotheticals, then hypothetically, hundreds of men could be shooting ranged weapons of sort-of-minute of man accuracy in your direction. Do you win that one every time? Maybe you bring your e-tool and build a bunker. Then you're stuck in a hole.

>>65168842
I suppose the ultimate idea is
>Show up
>Enlist or try, language barriers and all that
>Repel the enemy
>Be congratulated
>Kill the king/ruler
>Take over
Then either build utopia or just drink and whore until you die.

>>65168849
Collab writing project, the Time Legions of /k/.

>>65168842
>>65168844
You could swap out 15#s of ammo, so a few hundred rounds, for a handful of improviseds.

>>65168146
>projectile weapons in your mind are fairly slow moving and easy to see
Bro

>>65168851
No publication can handle that much rape!

>>65168856
When in Rome.

>>65167944
>Cut to high school wrestling weight
>have 205# to work with
>Super light AR build and suppressed .22 pistol
>Homebrew HE
>Pocket bilingual dictionary
>Antiobiotics
Kneel to your new King.

File: US_Special_Forces_Jump_an(...).jpg (344 KB, 1280x1032)

344 KB JPG

>>65167944
>weight limit 350lbs including yourself [redacted]
>weight: 180lbs
>170lbs available
I bring 10 XM159 Atomic Demolition Charges. 170lbs at 70lbs each.

>Only items you actually own!
Correct.

>>65168861
Oh fuck I'm retarded. I bring TWO XM159 Atomic Demolition Charges. Gotta leave the other 8 at home.

>>65168864
You end up entering a skirmish in an ancient city called Sodom. Surrounded by overly friendly men, you hit the detonator.

File: hqdefault.jpg (8 KB, 480x360)

8 KB JPG

>>65168866

>>65168866
No. I have a present for King Solomon.

>>65168875
As you emerge through the portal, your grisly work done, you are attacked by diesel Vikings, captured, and made a thrall in a factory, making collapsible furniture out of birch.

>>65168879
I gladly accept my fate, as long as jews do not exist.

File: zinc.jpg (71 KB, 640x480)

71 KB JPG

>>65168892
You check your wallet, and your credit cards start to go translucent, like Back to the Future.

>>65168124
>>65168146
Nah humans have had slingers and bowmen since forever. Maybe some ancient armies would be scared by a single person with an AR at first but they'd adapt quickly. During the musket era there were plenty of cannons that could plow through a line long before say the napoleonic era. Shooting into a napoleonic line infantry formation as a single guy with an AR isn't going to stop them. Once they get closer than about 200m it begins to get into their range. If they had any marksman or light infantry nearby then one would need more than 200m to be outside of their effective range. The reason bayonets were vital up until about ww1 was that shock was more effective than a bunch of guys shooting muskets back and forth.
>>65168169
>1000 yards
>2000fps
How are you ranging them and getting a windcall?

>>65168764
>go on /k/ and lie about the weapons and armor you own
Holy shit, your life must be pathetic. You don't own a full harness. You could easily disprove me by posting a pic, but you're a faggot.

>>65169319
ill send you a picture of my cock, how about that? fuck your rules faggot.

>>65167944
I own plate armor. I'd bring that, my spare helmet, plus my plate carrier (I'd strip the plates and kevlar out), and pack. I'd bring along the AK, PX4, and CX4. I have around 2.5k rounds between them. Remaining weight goes to battle bent, knife, water filter, tent, sleeping bag, and a week of emergency food. Deck of cards. Phone and solar charger so I can read.

>>65168233
Shark suits will probably not stand up to a lot of weapons, anon.

>>65168463
Not that anon, but I don't post my harness because it's painted and would be stupidly easy to identify. I guess I could show off the new helmet.

Realistically i'd bring a fine-tuned rifle with a nice scope and tons of ammo and spare parts. You're going to get overrun with armour, no matter how invincible you are, but with a sniper rifle you just need to be at the right place the right time, end one guys life (like napoleon) and then scatter.

>>65168897
>Credit cards
You some type of bitch?

>>65169771
>I own plate armor
You don't.

File: Snapchat-1272492218.jpg (1.75 MB, 2160x3840)

1.75 MB JPG

>>65170278
Why are you like this anon?

>>65170289
That's just a helmet, retard. You don't have a harness.

File: tumblr_p5a3c9EpLn1u442p8o1_540.jpg (110 KB, 540x797)

110 KB JPG

>>65167944
I bring an extra CZ pistol, pawn it over to Emperor Maximilian, and use that gift (and the multiple other firearms I am bringing on my person) to get a set of bougie ass gothic plate with a nice xviii longsword and a pollhammer or 3 and retire to a nice village in northern Italy or Switzerland while I go down to fight in the Italian Wars when needed.

>>65169777
They already are superior to medieval mail which itself did fine against most threats.

>>65170467
They most certainly are not. The wire is extremely thin gauge. There's a youtube video comparing shark mail with chain mail against melee weapons, and the shark suit falls apart. Find it yourself, I'm not linking to that faggot's channel.

>>65170289
I think he's just a whore for plates, anon. C'mon, indulge the tramp.

>>65170467
Lol no. It's extremely thin. Steel is steel, anon. They had steel, thicker mail than this didn't hold up.

>>65170650
My shit is honestly way too easy to identify to post on 4chan, or I would.

>>65167944
I bring a mini lathe and start making black powder pistols.

>>65170867
I respect your choice but disagree with it. Show pl8.

Gonna bring my kreigsmesser and my Smith Model 19 with no extra ammo. I want to sword fight, but I'd like a get out of jail free card if I absolutely need it.

File: reese.jpg (128 KB, 1814x878)

128 KB JPG

Just go back to 1984 and enjoy life pre-clown world instead.

"There was a culture war. A few years from now, all this, this whole place, everything, it's gay. Just gay."

>>65168233
Shields were still used quite a bit even by full plate soldiers. The idea that shields became completely unnecessary during that time is a meme.

>>65168076
This.
My god this.

>>Endless myths about how you can spit poison with the sounds of thunder.

>>65171372
On horseback, yes. On foot, they really weren't.