what made germany so good at war in the ww2?
>>65177125a doctrine and command structure that encouraged initiative at the lower levels of command
>>65177125Cope, Ranjeet. They lost just like r*ssia will.
>>65177125Getting the drop on everyone else. They weren't any better than the Americans or British and their stats are inflated from cutting down waves of Russians.
>>65177125>america lost more planes than germany did depsite joining later in the war and not being attacked on all sides
>in the ww2
>>651771251. Euros allied with the US during WW1 started the process of moving the centers of world power towards the US. Manufacturing, banking etc. Western europe was weakening.2. USSR was devastated beyond WW1. Not only did eastern europe have to fight one side during WW1, they then had to fight ALL the sides from WW1 during the Russian Civil War. And then they had to face complete economic warfare. Eastern europe was weakened.3. Germany was far enough removed from the US that they weren't within their schemes (yet), and they weren't so far away from the USA that they would be under constant threat. Germany had the money and industry to peacefully build up for war.
>>65177125Element of shock/surprise during the first half of the war and defender's advantage during the second half.
>main fighter and aircraft>me262 / he162
>>65177125nothing they attacked countries that had rejected militarism after ww2 or their ally stain by suprise and when they got in a real fight they lost
>>65177125Nothing about your image implies Germany was good at war. They produced barely any aircraft and lost 2/3rds of them
>>65177159I wonder if they're counting lend-lease losses as American despite being operated by allied nations
>>65177259It's because America was doing strategic bombing on two fronts in an era when sortie attrition rates were eyewateringly high by today's standards.
>>65177125>losers>good
>>65177125>ItalyHonestly how can they fail so bad?
>>65177165>Germany had the moneyYeah right. America basically bankrolled the entire nazi party. For hating jews so much, Hitler sure didn't mind taking loans from them
>>65177125Having no oil meant they had to be careful. Everyone else was too logistically comfortable. Tactics were not high on their list until it became clear that war is fought more on the battlefield than on paper. Blame the academics that convinced everyone that terror bombing was a guarantee that total war would never happen again.
>>65177125Preperation
>>65177165>Germany had the moneyobjectively false, nazi germany was propped up by trash bonds, war was inevitable because debt would've crushed them within the span of a few years.
Fiat currency strikes again.
>>65177125What made Germany good, at its core, is that when Germany formed, it overnight went from being a squabbling collection of tiny nation-states and immediately turned to being the most powerful manufacturing, scientific, engineering, and manpower-abundant state in all of Europe, with an objective advantage over the French, the UK and the Russians put together in every field. Had all of those powers magically had the foresight to work together and crush Germany in 1936 they might have done, but as it stands, Germany nearly conquered the entire European subcontinent entirely on their own, and it took American intervention in five major theatres of battle at the same time, and the full bankrolling and re-equipping of Free France, the UK and the Russians by the United States, in order to defeat them.Europeans will bitch and hem and haw about it, but that's the truth - and to this day Germany still represents the majority of power, clout and finances in the EU despite all of the hand-wringing and hobbling left over from that bygone age.It wasn't a doctrinal issue, although their doctrinal decisions were arguably more advanced than their French or English or Russian counterparts, it was an issue of Germany fundamentally representing more factories, more resources, and more men under arms. Bigger militaries virtually always win over smaller militaries excepting in situations where the total war is not in fact a total war, and the larger nation lacks the political will to exterminate its enemies, which none of the major players did back then.
>>65177310Italy wasn't much more industrialized than the Soviet Union, with a much smaller population, and had a bloodsucking parasite for a chief ally instead of one willing to throw titanic piles of shit at them as long as they kept up doing the lion's share of the dying.
>>65177125No. They are not. They are the only nation at that time who wanted and gearing for war. Britain was tired of war and France was actually in the brink of civil war. If France actually followed their own original plan preemptively invading Germany, Nazi would have been crushed easily and WW2 would never happen. And Europe would be pure Aryan white as fuck.
>>65178514>t. The History channel circa 2010
>>65178541america was itching as well. i still think pearl harbor was an inside job.
>>65177159Two major theatres at once. Daylight bombing in Europe being really fucking deadly and the Pacific Theatre having a major air focus. Even when you look at early battles regarded as wins for American carriers, you're often looking at double digit aircraft losses just to miss a Japenese carrier with torpedoes or similarly deadly double digit losses of dive bombers just to delay landing, take-off and loading carrier aircraft, and then only when the third strike shows up die in droves do they actually severely damage a carrier or two which then compounds into wrecking the combat effectiveness of the carrier group, and they still lose half their squadron.
>>65177125Some things, like 'Blitzkrieg,' some squad tactics, and certain technological innovation, but they were absolutely lousy at the economical, logistical, and industrial part of warfare, which is why they lost really hard.>>65177165>Germany had the money and industry to peacefully build up for war.Dear Christ, you really believe that, don't you? They produced enough munitions to comfortably do Poland, then after that they had chronic fucking shortages for the entire war.
>>65178509>war was inevitable because debt would've crushed them within the span of a few years.Lol, but no.They could just refuse to pay up their debts like many french kings did.
>>65178680except the fact that they spent all that money on rearming, by the end of the war they had nothing left. post war germany was america/ussr wearing germany like a sock puppet with their hand up its ass.
>>65178680French kings didn't force every business and savings account in France to be their bag-holders the way MEFO bills did. Have fun bankrupting literally everyone in the country. The NSDAP ran the money printer harder than the fucking Weimar era, they just did a better job of shuffling most of it out of common circulation for a few years.
>>65177125Surprise,hubris of their enemies and the exploitation of a lack of political will to stop them in the initial stages of the war
>>65178673>They produced enough munitions to comfortably do PolandOh, but they didn't do it comfortably. Poland was literally the og "3 day operation", with planned victory parade in Warsaw in 7 days, but it took Germans 7 days to get to Warsaw to begin with, a city 50km from the German border. Not only the Germans were low on ammo after few weeks, the air force and tanks took massive loses. It all comes together to Hitler seething at Stalin and demanding to honor the pact.
>>65177125It is just because Germany has a very strong industry base. They make good shit and they make it faster than anyone else. Take Japan on the other hand, who lacked resources so badly they decided to invade another country for them. Also the U.S. was helping fight both enemies, and the UK was just stuck trying to survive throughout most of the war
>>65178515Italy was under a civil war the entire time essentially it was the communist / social partisans that liberated Naples, Florence, Bologna, Venice, Udine, Turin and ultimately Milan where they caught and skinned Mussolini in the public square The allies were stuck in the south for ages and were furious that the partisans refused to hand over Mussolini so he could be exiled to South America like the Nazis they caught
>>65177125>so good at warCompare numbers of deaths in UK and USA with German deaths.kek. It was bug stomping.
>>65178955Only because the allies committed endless crimes against humanity like fire bombing and nuking civilian cities and then claiming all the women and children were somehow military casualties
>>65179793this is bait
>>65179793
>>65177165>3. Germany was far enough removed from the US that they weren't within their schemes (yet), and they weren't so far away from the USA that they would be under constant threat. Germany had the money and industry to peacefully build up for warCompletely backwards. Germany actually got much of its newer factories from the Americans. Ford, Chrysler, and GM production lines were converted to produce panzers. Even the machines used to sort people to put them into ghettos and camps were American IBM punch card computers.
>>65177159>america lost more planes than germany did depsite joining later in the war and not being attacked on all sidesAmerica was doing picrel to the Axis in numbers unseen or heard of before. Germany was shooting down bombers, often with AA guns but at the price of all their cities being flattened.
>>65177159>can't lose more equipment if you can't rebuild itWehrboos are a special kind of cock sleeve
>>65179793>"it was like bug stomping" says the anon>"big meanie slaughter which was easy with the anglos crushing the enemy via technical superiority as always while suffering minimal casulaties"So bug stomping then? Anglos and for that matter the Germans who got kicked out an never bought into Prussianism will never understand why you faggots think suffering is virtuous rather than stupid, and frankly we don't want to learn and never will because we focus on not suffering in the first place. To point is to make everybody else suffer while you sip the caffeinated water of the age.
>>65177125>what made germany so good at war in the ww2?They were always ready and prepared for it because they always attacked first. This is literally the only reason. >>65179793>Only because the allies committed endless crimes against humanity like fire bombing and nuking civilian cities and then claiming all the women and children were somehow military casualtiesSoviets went easy on you. Had full moral justification to just remove every single germ from GDR and colonize it. You're lucky those aren't double digits crying about some Dresden shit. Incredibly lucky allies swooped into western germany and france the moment the tide has shifted and Soviets started winning otherwise things wouldn't have been so nice for you after
It's easier to win fights when you sucker punch someone not expecting it. After they stopped being able to utilize that surprise anymore, their entire war effort faltered to never recover. Even with a record number of troops in the field in 1943, writing was on the wall.
>>65181418>I'm being accused of WHAT?
>>65181442>lampshades>jew soap>hair mattresses made from jews with typhus lice>eagle and bear double team execution cage-match>diving a train into a tunnel then filling the tunnel with gas in 1939>donkey Kong minecart direct delivery into the ovenThere were some real knee slappers in the "court room".
>>65180579Nah, my hometown was relatively fine.My grandpa manned flaks though
>>65181550>My grandpa manned flaks thoughNeat. How was he when he'd share things about that? I'd have to resist the urge to ask a lot of questions.>>65181521It was something, I guess that's all I have to say about that
>>65177125>claims 1/3 of all produced US aircraft were shot downSaar>Claims losses in the Pacific were higher than in EuropeDo not redeem
>>65177125In terms of aircraft losses: Fighting a defensive war over your own territory. Easier to respond, flak coverage etc.Not a metric for being a good at war just an explaination for plane losses.But this is just a bait thread anyway
>>65177159No the stats are just made up. None of the numbers on the graphic are correct. Even if you're counting US produced lend lease planes, which would would push the skewed Europe/Pacific ratio even further (in actual historical reality about 3.5x as many US aircraft were lost of Europe compared to the Pacific). Literally nothing on this image is remotely correct, it's a Indian who was arranged married to his uncle and is posting this from the radiator he's currently chained to
>>65179793>endless
>>65178955It's amusing how warped is the overall perception of ww2 from the american pov. They'll swear to you their biggest and only threat was nazi germany, that gramps went to berlin and killed fitty krauts, when in reality the confllict between the two nation was marginal at best, considering that most of the war effort was spent in the pacific against the japs and they even sent many more man to italy than in france or germany.
>>65181619He was already dead by the time I was born. My dad told me a bit though. That gramps was in the Hitler youth. Not much more.
>>65181233>will never understand why you faggots think suffering is virtuous rather than stupidProbably a similar cope that enables impoverished mutts to think their suffering is virtuous.
>>65178743Comfortable compared to the rest of WW2 for them, then.
>>65177125Dumb luckThere's nothing else to it, literally luckmaxxing
>>65181801>trend go up right when basedburgers hit the marketYes, brown-kun, suicide is in fact stupid.
>reading about German war economy in 1944>majority of planes being pushed out were 109sGrim stuff, imagine flying that pre-war shitbox against a late war Mustang
Imagine America 1 on 1 with Germany without needing the USSR and the UK to all the heavy work for them they’d have been wiped out
>>65181914Nigga, how old are you? Fag burgers have been around since the early 2000s. Considerably more faggy Euro countries don't see this same trend. It could be yuno, the fact that the government consistently cuts federal programs aimed at addressing third world problems?
>>65178597Solid post.
>>65181663Perceptions vary from country to country. Like ask Russia and they believe that Russians basically beat the Nazis all by themself. You also have varying desires of what people wish to be true. For the US in general that is the desire to be perceived as great and powerful. And an easy way to get that is to beat somebody strong. So there is an incentive to overstate germanies strength to seem more impressive by beating them. But in the last couple of decades people also want to bash the wehraboos. So you have the paradox of wanting the german army to be weak so your victory is more impressive, but also downtalking everything german to nip the wehraboos in the butt.
>>65182057>Like ask Russia and they believe that Russians basically beat the Nazis all by themselfFunny thing is, Russians will say the US believes the same. But I've never actually met a citizen from either country who makes the claim that they single-handedly defeated the Nazis.t. traveler anon
>>65177125Italy was such dogshit during WW2 holy shit.
>>65182125a single macchi could wipe 10 thousand shitty spitfires
>>65181643>Easier to respond,exactly the opposite. the germans had the problem of not knowing where the next air raid would strike and so had to disperse their interceptors around the country, which meant that for any given bomber raid they usually only had 70-100 interceptors to respond which was a problem when they were up against waves of 600 bombers with 400 escort fighters. basically being outnumbered 1:10 all the time. american pilots probably had the problem of not having enough targets to get proper experience and germans were a mix of either total rookies in shitboxes or aces in super advanced jet fighters so it was probably hard to understand their behavior.
>>65178577Then you're a retard.
>>65178714>this was supposed to be a thousand year reich
>>65182340Ok Mr buca di beppo
>>65181922>flying that pre-war shitbox against a late war MustangIt performed awesome at really high altitude. But German pilots sucked by then.
>>65181943Sure thing Ivan.
>>65182490they actually considered a plan to pool all their 1000 interceptors in one area and wait for an allied bomber raid to show up there tot hen strike it in full force. it was called "der große schlag" (the great strike), but that would have meant leaving the rest of the country unprotected so that plan was never put into action.
>>65177125The spirit of a thousand Prussian junkers
>>65182563It was also how they would have defeated F15E raids, even if only for the navigational hazard that would present>no idea if this reference will land
>>65182563>an aerial maginot line defeated when the allied raids simply go around itIronic
>>65181801>doesn't account for raceSo the data is essentially useless then? >>65181960>blacks and spics cost the US government over two trillion 2010USD every year for 30 years>finally get cut off from the government cheese and they dieYeah? And this is equivalent how? This isn't even a matter of pride or vitue, I want more of them to starve to death I hate them an want them exterminated. I don't consider them to be American, only whites can be American, so where is the discrepancy? The third world problem is concentrated among third world peoples. If one party and one wing of the other party wants to import them and another wing of the second party wants to disincentivize them by cutting their food supply then this trend is exactly what you'd expect.
You fucking niggers need to shut the fuck up with your faggot bitching about fucking politics.Both of you, go die in a fire
>>65178680>Lol, but no.They could just refuse to pay up their debts like many french kings did.I know you're a retard, but that approach ended with them getting their heads chopped off.
