>can't climb slight hills because the engine and transmission couldn't handle it because of how heavy it is, meaning it needs flat terrain to be effective (if the allied planes don't find you first)>put 14 of them in Italy, which where most of its terrain are hills and mountains, where most of it broke down before even seeing combat
>>651789641. You're making shit up.2. Soldiers who actually used it, loved it.Source: Dr. Roman Töppel, leading scholar on German tank warfare in WWII.
it was just reporposing the porsche tiger chassis it had electric motors on the four drive wheels meaning it had crazy torque to pull it up grades something like 80% of elefants were lost to mines
Get out of here
Elefant was a refurbed Ferdinand. At that point (1944) it was just sunk cost, not having to melt them down for scrap.
it looks cool therefore it was cool therefore it worked
imagine drunk driving that fucker
I don't know, I'm more of a Jagdpanther guy. I think it was a well balanced heavy tank destroyer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCCKiQWMRMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqm4gunNTFo
>>65181912>>65181920It worked because it worked, the vehicle was actually very successful and soldiers loved it. Its reputation as a failure is a post-war myth, likely caused by people thinking of the Tiger II (which did better than most people think but obviously still really not well) and drawing conclusions from there.>>65181957The Jagdpanther was definitely better overall.
The deployment of the Elefant to the Battle of Anzio was delayed, and the Allied forces had already regrouped.The most famous example of a lost tank was when it became stranded on a narrow, muddy road, entangling the crew and a Tiger attempting to tow it under enemy fire.While it's true that the Elefant's climbing ability was inferior even to the Jagdtiger, it was the Tigers of the 508th Battalion that suffered numerous losses on Italian mountain roads, enraging Hitler.
>>65182007>enraging Hitler.I like how that phrase is so often casually thrown in but when you look up his reaction in the archives the protocol just has him saying shit "damn" before moving on most of the time.Probably not the case here though.
>>65182604I have Hitler's table talks, the conferences were too busy for him to dwell on any one instance for very long before having to move on to other events.
>>65178964I just love the background story of these. Dr. Porsche, being an autistic narcissist with his hybrid shit and unreliable engines, decides to build 100 hulls for the Tiger P before the competition is over only to lose. Then they scramble to actually do something with the hulls, Krupp won't give them turrets because those are needed for actual Tiger Is and the Porsche engine is still a piece of shit that won't run properly. So they throw on a casemate and Maybach engines to end up with this thing.
>>65182641>I have Hitler's table talksOh, you mean those largely unverified and unverifiable notes that were subsequently raped in the first and second translation?Those are neat.
>>65182645It makes me laugh internally as well. Then there's the one oddball that did actually serve at the front, apparently successfully
>>65182647Okay anon, tell the class, where do you get your super duper I'm better than everyone else info from
>>65182645You forgot the best part:It actually turned into a great engine of war.>>65182650The archive which every historian should get their info from but 99% are too lazy and just copy off each other, causing the vast majority of nonsense in WWII history books today.
>>65182652>doesn't post a sourceThis conversation is over
>>65182654You didn't ask me to?You asked me where I get my information from and I answered. What do you want a source for, butthurt billy?
>>65182650>where do you get your super duper I'm better than everyone elseyou really shouldn't present your insecurities this prominently online anon
>>65182652>File: What German TankmenWhat video games have done to zoomlennials' noodles
>>65182666Get behind me Satan
>>65182667The video the thread is based on is by a Dr. of history from gen X, anon. The thread title is the video title.
>>65182678>The file name is the video title.fixed>>65182667Aside from your embarrassing attempt to attack me over literally nothing, what even upset you about it?
>>65182678>books? That's retarded >look at this youtube video I found
>>65182649>apparently successfullyAt least it was destroyed in combat, I guess that counts as success
>>65182682That's your critique? The video doesn't feature a sloptuber but one of the leading historians of German WWII tank warfare with a particular focus on Kursk. He doesn't have his own youtube channel to upload videos to but sometimes appears in those of another historian with one.If you'd know anything about WWII tank warfare you'd probably recognize his name. If you'd know a lot about WWII air-to-air warfare you might recognize the name of the guy who owns the channel.Since you didn't recognize either, why should anybody take you seriously at all?
>>65182652>Guderian is at fault for the Ferdinand's bad repMany such cases.
>>65182678>Dr. of historyNo such thing.>>65182681Brainlet. This board /k/ is filled with them.>"muh tank crews"No 'battlefield report' compilations of WWII, from any country's servicemen, are reliable or able to be utilized for historiographic / social science analysis (in some sort of arbitrary 'feed it into the computer/AI—out dumps the Definitive Result, paradigm). They can only be read and observed in historical context : "That's nice."This board is Stupid. Because of video games.
>>65182682>you can't listen to the author of the book you have to read itBoomer
>>65182689>muh channel muh leading historianThat's nice (see above)
>>65182683It had a good run
>>65182729>No such thing.What did you think the D stands for in phD?>>65182729>Brainlet. This board /k/ is filled with them.Okay, ESL newfriend. When did you join "this board /k/"?>No 'battlefield report' compilations of WWII, from any country's servicemen, are reliable or able to be utilized for historiographic / social science analysis (in some sort of arbitrary 'feed it into the computer/AI—out dumps the Definitive Result, paradigm). They can only be read and observed in historical context : "That's nice."Pretty irrelevant here, but nice of you to ask ChatGPT to help you out.>>65182731You're really mad your threat didn't work out the way you were hoping it would, aren't you, brownie?
>>65182741>nonwhite triggered zoomlet chimpening textwallStop playing video games.
>>65182750Anon, you didn't even know what a ph.D. is, why pretend you're White now?
>>65182750>textwall...you mean the quote from you?
>>65182755I edited books at a major university press for (my authors) PhDs, zoombrainletThis board is Stupid.
>>65182756# 65182741>textwall you mean^ comprised of more black than greentext
>>65182758That's cute, how are those "PhDs" called in your language?>>65182763No lol
>>65182682The video is by a Doctor of histroy, who writes books on the topic.If you somehow think that it is less true if is in video format, OK enjoy being wrong then.
>>65182775Did he get his doctorate via youtube as you did?
>>65182799>https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_T%C3%B6ppelNo, but feel free to continue seething incoherently.
>>65182823My point is that you're placing all your trust into one guy who you trust has looked at every available primary source there is, trust that he has zero bias of any kind, trust that he's interpreted everything correctly, ect. He learned what he knows from somewhere, and I have my highest of doubts it was via the Military History Visualized youtube channel.If you are at all serious about a topic, you yourself need to seek out many sources; you've settled on one guy like he's the gospel.
>>65182838NTA but what the fuck are you even talking about and what does MHV have to do with anything here?>He learned what he knows from somewhere, Yeah, that's true for literally every person on earth. He learned the opinions tankmen on their tanks by conducting dozens of interviews with them, among other sources.
>>65182799>Did he get his doctorate via youtube as you did?>>65182838>My point is that you're placing all your trust into one guy who you trust has looked at every available primary source there is, trust that he has zero bias of any kind, trust that he's interpreted everything correctly, ectThat was the point you were trying to make by pointing out that he's on youtube? Really?Can you point to any sources contradicting him?
>>65182838>anon thought it was a random youtuber and wanted to insult somebody online to feel better about himself>turns out it's an expert and now he can't find a way to backpaddle hard enoughlmao bro just admit you made a mistake or stop responding who the fuck cares
>>65182729>Dr. of history>No such thing.NTA, but you're either retarded or pretending to be retarded.
>>65184498I can't tell you if he's actually retarded or pretending, but it's the same guy who wrote this genius comment >>65179586 so it might be a mix of both.If you want a QRD, read >>65182004
>>65182645Porshe was Hitler and other favourite at some point but slowly it was diminished over war. He assumed his tank won from start
>>65184498>>65184595>durrrPNo, whatever the fuck that other slop was, isn't me. Fuck both (You) zoomlet plebbitards Go Back
>>65186588Sorry, anon. But your semi-broken English, hateboner for Germany, ignorance of the world and inability to admit you're wrong even while pretending to be somebody else is rather easy to recognize.
Side topic, the Tiger 2 is unfairly maligned. It may have been the wrong strategic choice, but it was tactically an incredible tank once the production kinks were sorted. Almost impervious to all guns from the front and knocked out any opposing tank with ease. Gas guzzler for sure, but mobility was no worse than a Sherman.
>>65187160>'i-i know u'(You) are a Dumb Fuck zoomtard 14-year-old video gamer just like every other /k/ user.
>>65187652Exposed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IumMN-leAsSorry, anon. You type like too much of a cluster B retard to be able t hide within the anonymous masses here. If you lurk for a year without posting you might be able to blend in better.
>>65187681>'yr typing', 'i kno u'This is the diabetic FAT SLOB cubicle dweller that posts on /k/ , (You)'re a Dumb Fuck zoomtard 14-year-old video gamer<---That triggeredkekYour kind need to be flamethrowered, or thrown into an active volcano, or: used for fuel.
