How could the allies have defeated them?
>>65179681Wait for them to run out of fuel.
the same way they defeated everything else
Same idea, more appropriate dakka.
>>65179681>How could the allies have defeated them?I'm sure they'll manage it somehow.
>>65179681Dig a ditch or make a hill with a small incline.
>>65179681>How could the allies have defeated them?With artillery and air support.
>>65179696what if they had nuclear power
>>65179681Go to the places they couldn't get, which was anywhere.
>>65180601Wait for several hundred mini-Chernobyls wiping out central Germany.
>>65179681>all these retards in this thread ignoring that 1000 Maus tanks means 150.000 tons of armourYou'd have enough for the whole war, basically.
>>65180799That's about 6,600 panthers.That's a lot of fucking panthers.
>>65180815And most would take up space in warehouses for lack of fuel, crews, ammunition, transport, and spare parts lol. But it would be neat to have that many on hand at once
>>65180823If you know you're aware of a treasure trove of armor and tank-parts, I think you'd be able to put a grand tank training program in motion.The soviets did it too. Terribly, but they did. I'd assume the Germans would do better.>muh fuelA lot less of a problem early on and with 6.000 big ass tanks at the start of Barbarossa it wouldn't last too long.
>>65180831>and with 6.000 big ass tanks at the start of Barbarossa it wouldn't last too long.And not for the reason you think.
>>65180831Hell, if they arrive with full fuel tanks that'd be 710.000 gallons of fuel, which isn't that much for the whole Wehrmacht, but it ain't nothing.>>65180839The 6k refers to panthers, anon. Though if the army would've listened to Hitler and put the long 75mm as the standard gun on all new tanks before they invaded France already we wouldn't be having this conversation.
>>65180847>The 6k refers to panthers, anon.Those would do a lot better than Maus's. Still, what I wonder is what would be the response. I can't imagine the Soviets would just keep cranking out T-34-76's and KV-1's for another couple of years. I imagine there would be a program to get bigger guns on tanks right quick even if they have to do something a bit haphazard like the Marder. Actions are usually met with reactions.
>>65180867The soviets were basically about to give up on tanks until the Germans used them very successfully in Poland and France. I assume they'd try to build something competetive and fail. And if they'd survive the inital assault they'd probably forego armour and buid tons of gun carriers with just enough armour to deal with small arms and shrapnel. They might try to go the superheavy route first or simultaneously, but without the experience they had in our history it'd probably fail horrendously. The KVII was basically the best they could muster in 1941 which was spurred on by rumours of superheavy tanks being developed in Germany and that one kinda sucked dick and would get raped by a panther.
The concept behind the Maus was apparently that it was a mobile bunker for urban defense, transported by dedicated freight cars, but even the weight of the King Tiger and Elephant led to warnings that they should not run over culverts.
>>65180601What if your mother had swallowed instead?
>>65181187Timeline police here. Ironically if that anon did not exist to spill coffee on a passerby it would have led to a chain of events that caused a nuclear war in 2023. The butterfly effect sure is something.
>>65180601bigger problems
>>65179681After Japan surrenders the allies use their confiscated samurai swords to slice the boche buses to ribbons.
>>65180815How many Pz IVs would that make?
>>65180601Wait for them to run out of fuel.
Are these threads made by sincere retards who think war is like an RTS or some kind of shitposter.
>zooms around you to take out the supply line >zooms back to accept your surrender
>>65181982Armor steel only comes to about ~11,000 Panzer IV armor sets.However, the Pz IV was less efficient to produce than the Panther, which is why their cost of production by man-hours was remarkably similar. The Germans put a lot of effort into simplifying production by applying what they learned from earlier tanks.>>65181986This thread, similar to these in the catalog right now:>>65178964>>65178750>>65178964and countless others before, was made by a butthurt ESL with terrible English and a cluster B personality disorder who just really hates Germany. He's been doing it for a while and may be into getting humiliated in them, I'm not sure. At the same time he has massive ego-issues, so it's really easy to outmaneuver him, because he often likes to lie or samefag, but even when pretending to be somebody else to avoid some perceived shame he feels at being humiliated, his ego makes it impossible for him to agree that his earlier posts were incorrect or retarded, even while pretending to be somebody else.If you ignore his retardation, enjoy bullying him and just use the threads he spams regularly to have conversations with other anons, it can be quite fun. I believe he's Polish based on some posts he's made and his thin skin in that regard, but he's very shy about his nationality.
>>65180823>>65179681They'd make the Battle for Berlin slightly more interesting, but the Maus's fat ass was ripe for CAS to disable.
>what if Germany mass produced a prototype they couldnt possibly maintain, crew, supply or even get to the fucking frontI was hoping these dog shit "here's how germany could still win" threads were dead forever but here we are
>>65182314>falling for itThe entire point of the thread is to make people like you angry, anon. >>65182004
>>65181986I think a lot of people think the entire world is a 1 player videogame, like a lot a lot
>>65180831>I'm somehow smarter and more strategically gifted than the entire OKH>I would have wonokay anon
Each maus tank can defeat 30 allied tanks before being destroyed.30 * 1000 = 30000 tanksA total number of 49324 m4 sherman tanks were made.So, not enough to destroy all allied tanks.
>>65182572>Each maus tank can defeat 30 allied tanks before being destroyed.>30 * 1000 = 30000 tanksUnironically how communists look at war. That's why Stalin had so many generals fired/demoted/shot, because he couldn't fucking understand that it's still possible to lose even with a numbers advantage.Projections like what you just made, pants-on-head retarded, don't do it again.
Ideally best case the Germans roll them into some kind of fortification around Berlin. They may have bought more time for Germans to escape to the west to surrender at least.
>>65182545Anon, the OKH didn't expect to get 1000 Maus tanks delivered at their door, because it didn't.That aside, yes, I would have won WWII and probably spent more time thinking about it than you've spent being able to masturbate.
>>65182597>I would have won WWII and probably spent more time thinking about it than you've spent being able to masturbate.What a flex, General Armchair
>>65182608Just cold hard truth, bitchboy. I've thought about supply lines and train optimization before you touched your first gun.
>>65182614Keep digging that hole deeper anon, you are trying to sound progressively more retarded, right?
>>65182631Look at him.Jealous, weak, uninformed. About to break.
>>65179681Germany had literally thousands of tanks at the end of the war, it didn't help.
>>65182004>I believe he's Polish based on some posts he's made and his thin skin in that regarddo people see us pollacks as having thin skin?
>>65182873No offense, but I couldn't think of a European nation with thinner skin.
What if Germany had 10 million Panzer I with infinite fuel and ammunition that can't be transferred to other uses?
>>65179681Drop bombs on them from the air as the Maus is absolutely helpless to defend itself without an entire entourage of air defense coming with it.>>65180601While fuel and energy was one of the critical concerns which progressively strangled Germany through the war, even assuming that they figured out and properly understood nuclear power (which they just didn't), there are so many other shortages that it wouldn't make much of a different picture.Also I don't know if you could make even make a portable nuclear engine like that even for a retardedly big tank, and get worthwhile use out of it. You need to shield that thing and also have some kind of cooling, so that the crew doesn't fucking slowcook and get irradiated in there, and that shielding can't add so much weight that it defeats the idea.
>>65180831Hearts Of Iron and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race.
>>65182885>I couldn't think of a European nation with thinner skinRepeat please.
>>65182885dunno why but fair enough
>>65182985ur gay>>65183012Mostly a very strong and very obvious pattern of perceived persecution and sensitivity to slights over about 20 years of interacting with Poles online. You're more normal irl, but internet poles are uniquely victim-minded where they constantly feel attacked, threatened, abused, taken advantage of etc., usually based on little more than fantasy or made up history they just collectively accepted as a people.I've seen like a dozen poles actually holding a grudge towards sweden over the 30 years war for example, which is absolutely wild to me.
>>65183026>I've seen like a dozen poles actually holding a grudge towards sweden over the 30 years war for exampleThat shit was fucking 400 years ago. It'd be like me (Swede) aching that one of my ancestors was captured and tortured by the Danes for a bit in the 1300s, which he was, but it was also 700 goddamn years ago.
>>65183049400 years is nothing for them, it gets really weird when they dabble in negro histiography where they just make up past genocides from like 1000-3000 years ago.
>>65183049America is so.... Well last week we had a fight with the English and the French won it for us.Faggotry.How's that getting on with the locals going for you?
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>>65183026fair enough anon, i get it. it is what it is i guess.
>>65183061>How's that getting on with the locals going for you?I do alright. We need to do something about the rapefugees though.
>>65179681Just walk around them. Considering that they were basically tactically immobile, and had almost no operational or strategic mobility, they were completely useless. Just wait until they run out of ammunition, spare parts, etc and you can just walk past them - stopping to either give the crews a chance to surrender or just chucking a few firebombs at them if you absolutely have to acknowledge their presence. If Germany is actually building these tanks they're also going to run out of high quality steel even faster than they did in OTL. >But what if you gave them infinite ammunition, spare parts, and steel? They'd still be useless, and you'd still be retarded.
>>65183061We haven't had a country for long enough to develop the grudges you have but keep at it and we just may begin to understand the French.
>>65179681>How could the allies have defeated them?jdrop bombs on hem from heavy bombers, sraffed the, with mustangs and typhoons, hit them with heavy artillery
>>65185870>>But what if you gave them infinite ammunition, spare parts, and steel? >They'd still be useless,Take ammo out of Maus, remove powder.Infinite powder glitch.
>>65185872I don't think there's a possible reality where anti-polish sentiment ever becomes mainstream in America again.
>>65179778we missed out on this timeline
>>65185965Imagine the atrocities they'd have to make up to post-hoc justify nuking Europe.
>>65183049forgive your enemies but never forget their names
>>65185955Now if only Germany was still capable of building any kind of firearm or other military technology by that point in the war, that might slightly reduce their production costs.
>>65185991>by that point in the warOP didn't specify any time.Though I guess with the infinite powder glitch you could just place 100ton conventional bombs defensively and create a murderwall
what if germany had just focused only on defeating england without declaring war on america, and only once england was defeated and it owned all of western europe would it turn its attention east to start a second front war against russia where it coordianted a simultaneous invasion with the japs invading russia from the east?
>>65186550Germany was never going to defeat England in any reasonable time table. Russia would have pressed into the balkans and poland. War between the USSR and Nazi Germany was a matter of time, Germans launching Barbarossa when they did was best case scenario
>>65186550>what if germany had just focused only on defeating england without declaring war on americaGermany only declared war after Pearl Harbor, knowing that an American declaration was hours away anyway.>>65186557>Germany was never going to defeat England in any reasonable time table.If Germany had pressed harder at Dunkirk, they would have captured the entire expeditionary force.This likely would have forced England to capitulate.
>>65186580>If Germany had pressed harder at DunkirkHow and with what fucking forces? Barring a teleportation device, German reserves were never going to reach Dunkirk before the evacuation- and the armored divisions available had already wildly outpaced their supply lines
>>65179681the ran out of gas to feed their current vehicles so no>gas was required to move the turret
what if OP wasn't gay?
>>65185973>to post-hoc justify nuking Europe.You honestly believe that Germany was nuked? Everyone knows the Germans evacuated their cities, burned them down and then claimed they were nuked.>b-but my 20 gorillian dead krautsIt didn't happen but it should have.
>>65185958>an American, a Russian, and a Polack were having drinks, talking about the space race>the Russian boasts "we're best because we got to space first">the American interjects "that may be, but we landed on the moon">the Polack confidently tells them both, "you may have those things, but we'll be first on the sun.">the Russian says "that's impossible, it's too hot">the Polack says "we're not all stupid, we're gonna do it when it's nighttime."
>>65186003>OP didn't specify any time.The Maus is an explicitly very late war design, it's a pretty clear implication. It would also have been completely and utterly fucking useless for the Wehrmacht (instead of just completely useless) when they were on the offensive in the early war.>you could just place 100ton conventional bombs defensively and create a murderwallAs long as the Allies/Soviets didn't have, say, the ability to fly over those bombs at altitude, or some kind of artillery, that might slow their advance down a little.
This board is truly weird.Garbage threads like this get the slapfight engagement and actual weapons threads are ignored or slide off the Catalogand the board itself, has about 23 actual flesh and blood human users
>>65179681They should have had over 9000 jets in 1939.Here, I have won the war for you. You have eventually succeeded through sheer persistence and the power of Aryan will, congrats.
>>65186589>How and with what fucking forces?lmao, go read a history book
>>65181988>weak range>barely half the main gun ammunition of medium tank>single exposed machine gun>John boy this a great plan!>armour barely enough to stop normal 7.92mmNot even worth taking out tens of thousands of anti-tank rifles and 37mm guns from storage as any AA-guns would saw them apart.M24 was so far better as a tank.
>>65186873>The Maus is an explicitly very late war design, it's a pretty clear implication.Nope.> It would also have been completely and utterly fucking useless for the Wehrmacht (instead of just completely useless) when they were on the offensive in the early war.Nah.>As long as the Allies/Soviets didn't have, say, the ability to fly over those bombs at altitude, or some kind of artillery, that might slow their advance down a little.You can't win WWII with air power alone, dear HoI4 player.
>>65186589>How and with what fucking forces? Barring a teleportation device, German reserves were never going to reach Dunkirk before the evacuationThe Haltebefehl was given due to a hesitant general suspecting a trap, it was not actually necessary. The only reason it was listened to was because he was ignored repeatedly before and Hitler had given an ultimatum a few days before saying that the next time he's blatantly disobeyed heads will roll.Without either that order to stop or Hitler's unfortunately timed reminder that military officers should listen to their generals when he tells them to calm down a bit, German troops would have had no issue with attacking the retreating brits.
>>65187149And 1000 tanks the can barely move aint gonna do shit
>>65187263Read the thread before you reply, newfriend.
>>65180601Keep doing this >>65179702 and wait until they run out of food.
