Given that Europe seems primed to become the next military hyperpower, whose military gear will the unified EU use the most after it's all been standardized? French, or German?
>>65183207>unified EU>French, or German?zigger posts are so transparently obvious
>>65183224pvt anais noel my beloved nooooooo>looks at tatoosohhh nevermind
>>65183218>The two largest militaries in the EU>Ziggers...are you okay?
>>65183207Europe is not going to rearm at all as the threats against it are fading into obscurity on their own accord. Russia is falling on its sword in Ukraine, China has no real geopolitical interest in the region besides fishing boat fuckery that doesn’t matter, and the USA will either stop being retarded or implode and cease to be Europe’s problem. All of this means that there is little incentive for them to build a military force exceeding that of any rival power structure.
>>65183242>Europe is not going to rearm at allThey have to. Europe relies on a globalized economy and strong international trade with free waters. They have to militarize to keep that going otherwise every local warlord with a boat or a drone is going to be blowing up shipping.
>>65183242>China has no real geopolitical interest in the region besides fishing boat fuckery that doesn’t matter,Xi has made it pretty apparent he wants taiwan
>>65183207This is stellar bait
>>65183236use some critical thinking please anon. hes trying to stir shit by starting a flame war between which side you choose. the OP picture has "world economic forum" in the top right for no reason, one of the soldiers is named kalergi
>>65183207>Given that Europe seems primed to become the next military hyperpower
>>65183270Anon the picture's from reddit, it's not a jewish conspiracy thing, some people are just named kalergi.
>>65183290Ah yes, the reddit heifer I hear so much about
>>65183290>it's not a jewish conspiracy thingnever said it was, but its pretty obvious its a troll post
>>65183257Okay, what does that have to do with Europe besides an interruption in semiconductor manufacturing? If Europe isn’t willing to go halfway around the world for oil why would they do so for semiconductors?
>>65183242Honestly, im 99% sure the US “imploding” would be a waaaaaay bigger issue to europe than the tomfoolery its up to now. Mass refugee crisis. Thousands of nukes getting lost in the shuffle. China and russia seizing whatever opportunities they see as opening up. Higher oil prices than the world has ever seen as one of the biggest producers (and the biggest transport/trade facilitator) becomes a grey area. The collapse of the biggest arm of NATO. At the moment there is a mean orange man with like two years left before someone replaces him, attacking a relatively small semi-rogue state oil exporter, and being rude to people. Any sort of major US stumble, or an “implosion” would mean all kinds of crap happening all at once. Europe is strong but it has relied on the US for oil, defense, manufacturing, and trade since 1918, and keep intentionally avoiding opportunities like nuclear power or higher defense spending to reduce that dependence.
Damn ziggers are determined to shit the place up
>>65183303Your argument for why it’s a troll post was that someone’s name was Kalergi?
>>65183376the fact that you are focusing on that and nothing else he said proves you're a troll
>>65183207>This nigga over here thinking Europe is gonna keep rearming once Russia stops mattering in 1-3 yearslol(lmao)
>>65183406Again, German and France are the two biggest military spenders in Europe. Calling Germans and French “Ziggers” makes no fucking sense. Are you trolling right now?
>>65183413fuck off, troll. we've already had this thread multiple times and it's obvious what you're doing.
>>65183425Correction, we can see what you're doing. Honestly Ivan, you need to try better next time.
>if I double down hard enough people will believe meah, the classic zigger false flag stratagy. you "people" never learn.
>>65183437I mean it's obvious why ziggers flood into any thread remotely pro-EU. The question is why they think we can't see them.
>>65183339>being rudeNot being the world's doormat is rude, well excuuuuuuse me princess!
>>65183429>>65183443This isn't working. You're not fooling anyone. Fuck off.
>65183443>The question is why they think we can't see them.we can see them, the board is currently being spammed with BBC. the question is why shouldn't we assume (you)'re one of them?
>>65183451>Comes into a thread>Posts Jewish Conspiracy nonsense>Calls Germans and French 'ziggers'Ivan your bullshit is obvious, you're not tricking anyone.
>>65183453Assume anyone you want is Russian, half of /k/ is just Russian bots nowadays
>>65183413refusing to address the random WEF stamp in the corner
>65183457>Jewish Conspiracy nonsenseyou're trolling is so obvious it's painful.
>>65183461It's from the TFR mod, what did you expect
>>65183463>Zigger gets mad nobody's falling for his obvious bullshitNo vodka for you tonight Ivan
>65183470>if I keep doubling down people will believe menot how this works, pidor
>>65183457You're not German or French. Fuck off.
>>65183478Neither are you Ivan, but I don't call them ziggers.
>>65183207Europe is utterly cooked as a military power until it fixes this. You want to understand the deep-seated malaise over there, it's this image: Europe doesn't make enough to do what it wants.The lack of growth means there's currently a ten trillion dollar gap between annual ourput of the EU and the U.S. today, when the economies were roughly equal two decades ago. And the difference is compounding as we speak, growing starker every year.Even assuming a relatively modest 2% of GDP military spend, that's an additonal 200 billion for military procurement every single year that does not exist. That's more than what Germany and the U.K. spend combined each year.
>>65183495GDP largely doesn't matter, Europe's PPP is superior and they're much more efficient at getting their money's worth out of the funds they do have.
>>65183501>Europe's PPP is superiorIts not. They are roughly equal with the US perhaps being slightly ahead.
>>65183506But but 19% of EU's economy comes from manufacturing while only 10% of the US's does, so the EU has much better ability to manufacture weapons.
>>65183508>But but 19% of EU's economy comes from manufacturing while only 10% of the US's doesThe US has a bigger manufacturing sector. You're being an idiot.
>>65183511Accounting for PPP the EU has an economy of $30 trillion, while the US has an economy of 30 trillion as well. 10% of 30 trillion is 3 trillion. 19% of 30 trillion is about 6 trillion. The EU's manufacturing sector is bigger.
>>65183517The US has a bigger manufacturing sector. You dont factor PPP into the ability to shit out goods.
>>65183519You do when those goods are domestically used.
>>65183501>>65183506PPP is a measure of standard of living by comparing consumer staples There's a reason India does well under PPP. But we aren't comparing bread flour to millet grain. We're looking at complex military arms purchased on the international market. Nominal GDP is a better indicator of what an economy can go out and buy on the global market.
>>65183520Your statement was >so the EU has much better ability to manufacture weapons.So we are measuring raw output. In which case the US has a bigger manufacturing sector. You're coping.
>>65183523Weapons used to protect Europe would by their very nature be a part of the domestic economy and thus fall under PPP.
>>65183525Sure. But PPP doesnt scale industrial output. Industrial output is industrial output. This is a dumb hill to die on.
>>65183339if fate has any sense of humour the eventual US refugee crisis may be what ends up pushing europe into full blown ethnonationalism
>>65183527not the guy you're arguing with but europe's main issue is that it's currently quite divided and bogged down in retarded bureacracy. regardless of which one of you is technically correct about whose manufacturing is slightly bigger than whose, europe when properly united and made efficient will eclipse the US in every meaningful metric including military. Not to mention, despite your jokes about euros being overrun with immigrants, the US stands to suffer a far worse competence crisis much sooner considering how catastrophic your... "demographic shift" has been over the last few decades.
>>65183592>eventual US refugee crisislol what? Have europoors actually deluded themselves into thinking that the US is going to collapse or something?
>>65183600>europe when properly united and made efficient will eclipse the US in every meaningful metric including military.Bait.
>>65183495>muh GDPYes, I'm sure a couple trillion dollars in stock market bubbles is what Europe needs.>>65183519>The US has a bigger manufacturing sectorLMAO. No. You're giga-coping.>>65183527Okay. Europe exceedes the US in material industrial output. Have fun dying on your hill.
>>65183600It should be noted that most of the EU bureaucracy is actually a good thing, there’s a reason the EU has such good workers protections and has avoided the AI blight consuming the US
>>65183641Objective, proven reality, more like. And your coping and seething won't change it.
>>65183600>europe when properly united and made efficient will eclipse the USWay to bury the lede. Across three thousand years of human civilization, hundreds of millions have died trying to unite Europe. They've yet to succeed.
>>65183660Only because of America’s intervention. Europe was always destined to be united by Germany. The US stopped Germany twice before, but they can’t stop them now.
>>65183600>the US stands to suffer a far worse competence crisis much soonerYeah, so what? You people are going down the same path as us with no sign of stopping. None of you are having children and continue to import low quality foreigners to cover up your shrinking native population.
>>65183207>Given that Europe seems primed to become the next military hyperpowerIn your fucking dreams maybe, Europe will always be nothing but a collection of states squabbling with each other over insignificant issues. An European superstate is a pipe dream, and nothing else.
>>65183733Europe was almost united twice before if the US hadn't intervened
>>65183592>We'll give some land to the jeets and the pisslamists... but we DON'T. WANT. THE BURGERS!
Europe can't even make a new fighter jet via collaboration, why would they be able to make a hypermilitary and defeat, well... anyone?
>>65183339>nukes getting lostIt's not like they haven't lost any before. A few are still missing.>>65183592Please God let it happen because it would be so fucking funny.
>>65183280I can imagine how it might look like that from a naive perspective. But the trendline won't continue, they'll stop as soon as the current zigger situation is solved and then start slowly demilitarizing.
>>65183628The US is already seeing a refugee crisis as LGBTQIA+ individuals as well as progressive professors of humanist and social studies are forced to flee to Europe due to funding being cut off and their rights being threatened.
All the Iranians woke up, huh?
>>65183310Sure pal, what does the US using Europe as an intercontinental staging ground have to do with Europe outsourcing 90% of all its manufacturing to China? After all, China is only interest in Taiwan which would give it near complete market dominance over silicone production and rare earth refinement, for the next 30 fucking years at least. Fucking beats me.
>>65183747thats how you know its a bait thread, the use of "hyperpower" and passive aggressively alluding to the failed fcas deal
Is this thread the sequel to this thread >>65172817 ?
>>65183242Europe is already in the process of rearming. The reason is not just for it to be able to defend itself, but to be so strong that a conflict does not start in the first place. Russia could take a gambit and claim baltic territory from a weak EU that didn't have US backing. It will not do so when the EU is strong enough to rival the US on its own.Also, having a strong military negates a lot of leverage the US has over Europe. As retarded as Orange Man is, he wouldn't be talking about annexing EU territory, just like he's not talking about annexing Chinese territory.>>65183339As short as Trump's deranged acts will be in the long term, it has now been established that a democratically elected US president can start threatening their allies with military actions, and engage in coercive policies and engage in trade wars. The US cannot un-open that particular box.Have you missed the parts where EU is actively and frantically diversifying? They're doing trade deals with India, Mercasur, and treating Canada like a de facto EU member state. When US defaults, it will trigger a global recession, but no country will be hit worse than the US itself. It will not "implode", as you put it, but it will diminish just like UK did when they lost their empire.
>>65183413you as a jeet zigger don't know how the EU works and thus why it isn't a binary choice between the frogs and krauts you just see bigger and assume that they can and will force themselves because that's what your brown brain is limited to
So we're all in agreement right? That a federalised Europe is the future of the continent. I really don't see how a Euro-skeptic future would result in anything good for anyone living there.
>>65184332Yes.Being rich and prosperous together while squabbling about budgets and regualtions for who has the best bread, makes the best fromage, who gets to call jamon from where by what name, wether it's acctuallly wurst or kielbasa etc. is WAY better than shelling each other and dieing in muddy ditches and bombed out cities.The lefties do not like to hear this, but we're all cousins on this continent by culture.Maybe cousins once or twice removed, but that just means she has a cute accent and you can bang her.
>>65184332>ferlization bait0/27, get better material
>>65183242We gotta recolonize Africa though. The US, China amd Russia has an unacceptable level of influence there. Africa is in the euro sphere of influence
>>65183207Post the American Civil War factions that this artist made as well, I want to laugh at the larp incarnate
>>65183660the one thing which managed to unite it last time, sufficient external pressure + ambition. last time europe stopped constantly fighting itself for a century it conquered the world
>>65183744congrats you've explained the joke
>>65184355That’s never going to happen. Europe is a very progressive place, which is a good thing, but also means it’s never going to colonize Africa or take away women’s rights or any of that nonsense.
>Battle of Lviv, Krakow, Minsk, Odessa>Implyingkys
>>65183207can't they just share ? France can do the lightweight vehicles and planes while Germany can do the heavyweight ground equipment
>>65183772It would be easier for Europe to just build a domestic semiconductor industry than a navy large enough to sail to the opposite side of the globe to defend Taiwan.
>>65183290>Guys the dogwhistle has no meaning
>>65184320Europe is trying their best to re-arm but it's hard to find the funds and personnel
Europe will rearm only to disarm after Russia is no longer a threat. Then theyll be bewildered that Chinese Satelite states are launching terror strikes into Eastern Europe with commercial drone parts. China doesnt want a strong Europe more than Russia and Europe doesnt think China is a threat yet.b
>>65183207>Given that Europe seems primed to become the next military hyperpower,We really do need a website called BestBait.comAnyway here's your (you)
>>65183207HOI4 POLLOI bait, but cool art>Given that Europe seems primed to become the next military hyperpower, whose military gear will the unified EU use the most after it's all been standardized? French, or German?This is like 5 degrees of larp and you can't even resolve the question of "Europe" vs the states that make it in the sentence itself. Terrible bait question that's engineered to squeeze out 200 replies about euroid vs mutt bickering about trivial national stats
yuropoors will never be united. they hate each other too much, they're occupied by an undefeatable eternal superpower, and national rulers will never give up power. the only way for yuropoors to unite is if USA somehow disappears as a country and then one country somehow conquers all the others.
>>65183207In 2050 there will be no European military because in the 2000s European women stopped making babies.
>>65184650Really? To me it seems like most Euro countries are slowly ramping up military spending to 5% or so. In total terms, non-American NATO members are spending around 550 billion or so, up significantly from previous years, and there's an EU plan to increase the number by another 800 billion or so by 2030.I mean sure, there's always a possibility that the proposals all fail and politicians fall back on spending everything on tranny propaganda, foreign aid and immigrants, but if the current trajectory holds, EU+nonUSA NATO is going to be by far the largest military spender in a couple of years. And that money will go a long way since there are plenty of PPP advantages you can leverage inside Europe.The biggest problem Euros have is that they lack standardisation and force multipliers. That's one of the reasons why this divorce is disastrous for both the US and the rest of NATO; non-US NATO provided a lot of heft and specialised expertise to the organisation while US provided spatial surveillance, air power and long range strike capabilities. Thanks to Orange Retard, both sides of the puddle are now significantly weaker for no tangible gain whatsoever.
>>65183656>wrong on all counts How did you survive childhood?
ANOTHER brownoid/russhit divide and conquer thread, don't fall for it
>>65183207>second battle of lviv>second battle of krakow>third battle of odessaHere are more realistic battles>"siege of mala tokmachka">"eleventh battle of kupyansk">"operation makhno">"third battle of kursk"
>>65184348I thought that Euro lefties were all enthusiastic about Euro federalisation and that it was the more cautious and nationalistic right all across Europe who remain distrustful of the idea of a European superstate.
>>65184520>progressive >goodYeah elections say otherwise.
>>65184320Europe's demographics are second worst on the planet after east Asia, they don't have children. Adding heavy social spending on top of that is rough, not to mention spending more on defense.
>meanwhile the absolute state of GCAP
>>65185589Correct, however it's an issue that also afflicts all powers that Europe is likely to ever come into conflict with. And there's a solution that is simple and easy, but nobody wants to even consider it.
>>65185576How so? European elections are some of the safest and most secure in the world because of their progressive politics.
>>65183495kek, just wait till the american AI-bubble bursts.
>>65185727Voter ID is racist.
>>65185911Yes. And?
>>65185633>And there's a solution that is simple and easy, but nobody wants to even consider it.What is it
>>65186213Removing women from schools and workplaces.
That pic reminds me of EndWar. I miss it, I wish there was a remake
>>65186261That's never going to happen in Europe.
So many people making fun of euros, but this is really more like watching a kid go off their training wheels, I'm really excited for them honestly
>>65186714Endwar had its flaws, but a sequel could've been so cool. The aesthetics were fucking sick
>>65183236This leaves out the critical role that the UK plays as a nerve centre in the anti-Putin coalition. Everyone looks to UK leadership in the fight against Russia, especially in keeping Russian disinformation under wraps.
>>65186261Ah, so by “nice and easy” you actually meant “retarded and completely impossible”
>>65185756>the bubble-Yeah, like the computer, automobile, aircraft, and motion picture bubble you retarded faggot?
>>65185727>looks at electionsIn virtually every country the right wing is gaining traction because of the EU's absolutely retarded policies.
>>65183207>unified EU armyno such thing. It will be a retarded mishmash of combined brigades, common procurements and competing systems.
>>65183207>French, or German?Polish/Ukrainian. Greeks have a bigger army than both Germany and France. It's more likely you'll get Spanish-Italian-Greek.
>>65187006https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Mania
>>65187099>railroads aren't used anymore HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>65187000It is a very simple solution, and it would be easy to implement. There's just no will to actually implement the change.
>>65189244>this thing would be extremely easy to do except no one wants to because it's rightfully called out as being retardedWell gee, anon! What's next, are you going to solve the housing crisis by saying that if everyone in every community pooled their resources together and built the homeless houses then we'd be all set?
>>65189257Correction, no one wants to, YET. As the muslim population grows, eventually we euros can start implementing common sense policies from the Islamic system and get the women back where they belong. And then the demographic issue will solve itself within a decade.
>>65189270To be clear even countries that are 99% muslim are seeing massive birth rate drops. So I don't think your le heckin based sharia law is going to help you there anon
>>65183207Polish.
>>65189287Due to degenerate US influence, which is fortunately diminishing globally.
>all the stupid screaming I thought this was gonna be an End War thread
>>65189301>i cant have sex because uh...americathirdies will blame literally everything on america
>>65189270Retard, women make up 50% of the voterbase, and by the time muslims are enough of a % of the population for them to be able to basically destroy the constitutions of every EU country and the EU itself, Europe will already be a majority muslim continent.
>>65183207what is STANAG, jim
>>65183252Europe has enough force at its disposal to turn any "local warlord" into paste.Most are much weaker and more retarded than Argentina.
>>65183772Anon, I hope you realize that most of the stuff that goes into semiconductor production, beyond raw silicon and Helium is made in Europe.
>>65185414yeah i love getting pelted by magatards instead and licking their boots as they spit on me. fuck off.
>>65185487yes, but you have to understand the 4chan lingo>right: everything i like>left: everything i don't like
>>65189353you can't either, judging by the demographics of your younger generations
>>65187009That’s hardly true at all, Europe has stayed reliably left wing
>>65187009in virtually every country the right wing has exhausted their supply of useful idiots and they are unable to make further gains because they're all paid by Russians and the Russian money is running out.
>>65185487EU federalization is wildly unpopular, except in places which are either poor or where it doesn't matter.
It's literally just going to be new weapon programs with no ammo to back it up
>>65189568Budapest for some reason has the highest support for EU federalisation of any European capital
>>65189393I am fine with this. It's a poetic end, because it's exactly what the women voted for.Also haven't you seen how many women willingly put on the burqas? In our western gynocentric society, nobody can force them to do that. My friend, women will be perfectly happy to vote away the rights men granted them. They just need a bunch of trendy influencers to tell them they'd be on the right side of history if they did. And to think of the children.
>>65186911didnt they voted for brexit o algx
>>65183207Lol. Eurocucks. Spend a decade financong russian oligarchs thrpugh purchasing cheap gas even though we keep telling them they are an existential threat up until they start the first major land war on the continent in 80 years.U.S. says fuck it were gping to worry about our own defense which greenland is critical for. "We hab been threatened!" Git fucked, shit allies and you deserve to be filled with browns amd turned into russias economic zone you fucking cucks.
>>65191604Pretty low tier bait in all honesty.
>>65190944He just told you the reason.
>>65183242Europe security challenge is financing the front states to keep the wars away from them. Poland and Ukraine mainly. North europe has the same with finland, estonia, latvia and lithuania. All four of them facing true, existential wars since not even Finland could survive such a multi year grind. like ukraine has been with outside support to keep them from defaultingBesides that the occasional terror bombings with drones, ballistic missiles, and good old-fashioned sabotage are the only real things pidors could do to them. Main threat, though, is coming from within with fifth column zigger plants like AfD, le pen, farage etc1
>>65189400A shitload of silicon wafers are made in the USA. There are 6 foundries, four of which are massive, just in my small city. In any case wafers aren't really the bottleneck for any country
>>65183600It goes beyond bureaucracy. There is not even a common, unifying language or culture. Unlike what US does.There is a reason historically the biggest and bloodiest wars in europe have been about rising powers flexing their muscles and attempting to impose their dominance lead order on whole of europe. France and Germany are the most famous cases Realistically, with the threat from zegroids, ukraine model is a working example going forward. Strong nation states getting backing from the EU economic alliance to keep them in the fight. by both having a financial lifeline and investments into their military capacity. As most left over cold war stocks of europe were used up by ukraine in 2022 to 24
>>65183664France and UK mainly contained them in WW1. Burger bros came in only in the final act when germans were already depleted. For WW2, however, US was absolutely the decisive factor for the war outcome. France getting KOd in round 1 really shifted the balance in german favour in europe. UK only survived the collapse of France because of the English channel, RAF and RN were too hard to overpower
>>65183736If by united you mean in the same way how the warsaw pact "united" east europe, then sure
>>65187000>impossible women can bitch and scream, but not much else. The only ones who want them barren and spending salaries on retarded consumer shit are the parasites selling them retarded consumer shit and money lenders. Women's rights are a strategic National Security threat.
>>65189270>zuttslamic>common sense anythingAnd the shitskin drops his "hod do you do fellow americans/europeans" maskNobody will be adopting anything from the made-up cult. invented by the guy who too it up the ass from a proto pajeet gangbang and then wrote down his zesty adventures as an inspiration to all of his followers lmao
>>65191848Calm down incel. Even if women are chained up to the radiators you won't get laid. They reject you because you are a dysgenic freak and that is fundamental from genetics you were born with
>>65189568>EU federalization is wildly unpopularBecause it would effectively just be run by either Frenchi or Germans. And even the latter isn't that sure anymore, since they can't get their economy unstuck and Merz is a retard who thinks making people work longer while lowering company tax is gonna fix the issue. France at least has nukes to back up their leadership claim.
>>65190944>literally the poorest country in the EU>for some reason
>>65191820>AfDIt's not even subtle anymore when one local AfD group actually wants more russian class in school (or home schooling).
>>65191828No, turning the silicon into chips is.And Europe is the #1 producer of photolithography machines and photolithography accessories.
>>65187009I assume you’re not from the EU, because that’s outdated news. That had been the case in the mid-late 10’s, as a result of the migrant crisis, but not anymore. Nationalist parties being outed as retarded populists or in the most extreme cases even Russian agents has done massive damage. Likewise the external threat as well as the hostile US rhetoric have strengthen the conviction that closer EU cooperation is necessary, which is something right wing parties have been railing against, to their own detriment.
i believe the italian industry will supply the hypothetical federal army more than the french one. france is known for not caring about the requests of other nations and just tries to sell stuff that was tailored for the french military. sure, they have a massive export industry, but it's mostly to browns around the world who will take anything the west made at face value.
>>65191833>It goes beyond bureaucracy. There is not even a common, unifying language or culture. Unlike what US doesenglish, retard. or french. both are used as lingua franca and are taught in every school, you ignorant imbecile
>>65183495>decades of multi-sector wide financial circle-jerk numbers, and promised fantastical made-up tech that's manufactured by Actual Industry (pun intended) in ChinaEvery step of progress is built on a dream, but whenever fantasy and reality collides, reality wins without exception.
>>65183207I for one will be droning ziggers and burgers in my pyjamas
>>65191909Well Europe isn't, the Dutch specifically do. In any case they don't (Europeans) actually design any high end chips. So yeah lithography is great, but it's kind of like being the company that makes the machines that bend the sheet metal for cars, but not actually making any cars themselves.
I JUST WANT MY FUCKING ENDWAR THREAD FOR FUCKS SAKE! CAN'T YOU POLTARDS JUST FUCK OFF???!!
>>65191968Now go into germany or france and find out how many understand english even on a basic conversation language. English is fine for international chit-chat, but it absolutely is not a unifying language for europeYou should know this if you have ever been outside of the badement you dwell in. You idiot
>>65192105English is not a hard language to understand and Europeans are very skilled at picking up languages quickly
>>65183495that's because europe is not a country but a collection of small powerless vassals of the US who live off sucking big american cock. every smart yuropoor has escaped his shithole to the US. if you accept your fate of being a slave of a superpower which europe has then nothing happens there which your graph reflects.
>>65191857My family has lived in the country for far longer than the US has even been a country, I'm as white as they come.I already listed at least two common sense things that muzzies have embraced that western societies have abandoned, and we need to re-adopt those ideas if we're ever to survive in an increasingly hostile world. Women have all but destroyed the western world, we need to get them back under control.
>>65192948>vassals>cock
>>65183242>the USA will either stop being retarded or implode and cease to be Europe’s problem.The retardation momentum in the US is too strong, so it will absoloutly be the latter. And loosing the strongest country in the NATO will force the EU to rearm.
>>65193294>And loosing the strongest country in the NATO will force the EU to rearm.Against whom? Russia is a joke and China is too far away.
>>65183339>Mass refugee crisisFrom where? The US? Crossing the Atlantic will be way more deadly than crossing the Mediterranean. When the Africans only try and go 15% of the way across to reach Spanish islands lots of them die. The mutts would never make it to the coasts of France. They will be the Canadians and Mexicans problem. And unlike the US, Mexicans actually know how to build. So the reverse trump wall would get done in record time.>China and russia seizing whatever opportunities they see as opening up.They are already doing that after Trump cut aid. Nothing would change there.>has relied on the US for oil, defense, manufacturingUS was a net importer of oil untill recently, so this would arguably just be a return to the old ways. If you are talking transport there are plenty of EU based shipping giants. They mostly focus on containers and bulk, but having them add in liquid and gas cargo is a minor change. Defense more so, but things are in motion on that front already. Manufacturing, lol, lmao even.
>>65193319>Air Rhodesia Flight 825the US has reduces visa requirements to both the EU, the UK and EVA countries. they'd only need a electronic travel authorization. the main barrier would be them needing to get an international passport since a good chunk of US citizens don't have one. but that's a bit of administrative hassle and like 50 bucks if that.the second part you are glossing over is that unlike sub-saharan shitskin niggers. those Americans would have the money to just well you know book a flight.a large chunk of them, those the most likely to try and get out the moment things start to go bad would also be the kind of people that the EU wants to attract.>them add in liquid and gas cargo is a minor changeyou'd need different ships and the wait time to get those build can be from half to a full decade.that being said the EU is rich enough to simply offer more on the global market. just like in 2022 when there where ships entering port in the second world, saw how LMG prices where spiking in the EU and promptly turned around because there was more money to be made selling in the EU.>>65193299there are certain capabilities that the US currently provides trough NATO that Europe has under invested in, because the US is currently providing those.get them would require a substantial investment. there is also the loss of deterrence that the US provides. European NATO would beat russia. but you'd prefer never having to beat russia.the US helps to keep russia from doing stupid things. IF the US bows out that means that in order to have the same deterrence European NATO would have to keep rearming.the cheapest war you fight is the one you avoid by deterring it.
>>65183207Europe has already been invaded and has essentially lost the war, it's likely too late to reverse course. It's just yet to be seen if they're be another Africa, Iran, or India.
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>>65193357Europe really doesn't need more deterrence, Russia can't beat Ukraine and they're the poorest country in Europe
>>65193430it's not about being able to beatit's about if sending extra on deterrence is more costly than the damages war could imposethere's also that defense spending does provide some good to the country spending itand that there are other uses for that spending other than deterring russialike say keeping the other side of the med in their placethe ability to do shit like operation Serval
>>65193438>like say keeping the other side of the med in their placeWhy would Europe care about that?
>>65193536>Why would Europe care about that?why would any country or block of countries care about it's neighbors not getting stupid ideas? it's not like the US cares about what happens in Mexico
>>65193552I doubt Morocco can invade France anything soon
>>65183207Neither. In the time it takes them to get serious about any sort of unified army and actually start looking at procuring massive amounts of equipment, trump will die or leave office. Most of his support will ALSO die. The US will resume BAU, and Europe will follow suit, with stronger, but still independent, military forces. It'll be a little more serious about those militaries not being glorified police with a handful of AFVs, and there'll be on paper plans for unified command structures, but in practice, Imit just means we'll see more vehicles, more tubes, better training, and maybe some actual expeditionary capability out of the Germans.
