The same guy making the thread all the time is starting to suck.

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>>65184994
> t.

/gq/ Infographic Emporium:
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6
Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>Last time on /gq/, Rook just made some shit up. I made a bunch of infographics, and Botach is simultaneously cringe and based but in the cool crack addict florida uncle kinda way.

>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.166
CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.
>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):
Budget: Hesco T212 or L211
Mid-Range: Hesco M210
High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.
>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):
Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001
Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*
High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DND
Elite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^
>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):
Budget: Used Protech 2120-5
Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513
High-End: LTC 28780**
Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812
Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995)
>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):
Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)
Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)
High-End: Used LTC 28595**
Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**
Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**
>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):
/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023
Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)
Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)
High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)
Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND or Adept Emperor
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)
>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)
Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)
Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)
Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)
High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)
Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)
Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)

>>65185021
>avatar posting
Fuck off.

>>65184968
I think it's more they're doing 9x12 instead of 9.5x12.5 like they should and aren't including drop protection. Correct sizing and the numbers check out mostly, nothing crazy like the memoryholed 2.9lb RF2 from Dayton, which is now 3.5lb, and still underperforms. Nonetheless, nominal sizing is still a serious problem.
The Mako just sounds like they ran a bunch of plates until they got one which did the job, hence why they're so WELL AKTSHUALLY NO on the M993 rating.
>how many plates do they actually sell?
On paper I'm sure plenty. Honestly, the company seems like a front.

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So why was this shit popular five years ago?

>>65184974
I thought that was a Maple Leaf Flag and I stumbled into /cfg/ then I realized its just fellatio

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>>65185505

>>65185021
>salty ass motherfucker who has plates to shill and can't do it when ARMOR GANG posts 100 times a thread because they'll btfo his shit

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Looking for a low profile, light weight chest rig. Narrowed it to the Unobtainum LV and the Spiritus Bank Robber. Any options I'm missing?

>>65185898
Gray man? More like gay man.

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>>65185898
Unity clutch
Arktis LV rig
HPG Chest/Fannypack with inserts
Pile of crye magclips/similar pants based system

Fannypack basically invisible tbqh

>>65185905
>>65185905
Not what was intended. I just want something lightweight for summer night shoots where I don't need more than 2 - 3 magazines.
>>65185918
Not what I had intended but I haven't seen a lot of these products before, thanks.

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>>65185661
> t. not using the best armor.
(Fug. My nigga, wtf am I supposed to do with these ROOK paperweights? I need to offload them right fucking now. Tell me how I ought to handle this.)

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>>65185956
Exploit their infinite plate glitch. Get shot in the line of duty, and they will replace your plate 100% guaranteed. Just hire yourself as a security guard at the abandoned Dunkin off Kensington, then hire a philly jawn to shoot your Bass Reeves with a .22lr every two weeks, then sell the damaged plates to scrubs on ebay as for parts / not working condition.

Once this is complete, purchase VelSys PBZSA, VelSys TSA, or Tencate CXP-800 SA depending on your needs. If you're feeling fruity, SOF ESAPI MK. IIs or Gilliam 9969s. There is no reason to entertain the Adept Archon over the 9969, presuming the 9969 does its job, unless you kidnapped Buffman's kid or something and he's rolling on your ass at 0200 with a full loadout of Nammo AP4.

>>65186046
> then sell the damaged plates to scrubs on ebay as for parts / not working condition.
Expected retail value: $5. Man, that don't even cover eBay/shipping fees, let alone the sticker price of a Tencate CXP-800 SA.

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and obligatory Rook Armor infographic post. This is arguably in the top five shadiest American or "American" armor companies. It'd probably go like this:
1. AR500 Armor
2. Second Chance (when Richard Davis did the Zylon fuckery)
3. Rook
4. RMA
5. Pinnacle Armor (ooooh I'm saying RMA is shadier than the old dragonskin guys, spicy!)

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>>65186049
That's why you need to dress that shit up bro.
>DEVGRU / 24TH STS BLACK OPS PLATE
>COMPLIES WITH NIJ 0101.06
>LEVEL III+++++++++
>"SURPLUS"
And then just exploit the infinite plate glitch. It's infinitely farmable, so if you hire fifty philly jawns that's 25 plates shot and replaced every two weeks, comes out to five bucks a plate, that's $250 a month. In about 14 months you'll be able to afford a pair of CXP-800 SAs or ADEPT EMPEROR 4.55LB LEVEL IVs.

>>65185938
https://www.wtfidea.com/turnkey-rig-01-m4-t15-556-mags-chestrig/
https://www.optactical.com/product/blue-force-gear-ten-speed-m4-chest-rig-with-molle/

>>65185938
>I just want something lightweight for summer night shoots where I don't need more than 2 - 3 magazines.
Your back pocket?
But actual usecase for magclips

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Finally got my 3811s. Shooter/SAPI combo. 7.2 lbs lighter than my lvl iv set. The shooter is an inch shorter than the SAPI so I’m probably going to stuff the bottom of my carrier with foam or a pool noodle.

>>65186111
Oh christ, Hesco's playing dirty on sizing with these too? Should only be half an inch. (10x12 vs 9.5x12.5). Would explain why they're so much lighter than 3810s, lol.
Nice plates though.

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>>65186111
Is it ackshually 11" from top to bottom? That's some bullshit.

>>65186221
If it's an inch shorter than SAPI it's a 10x11.5", which is indeed bullshit but not as bad as RMA / LAPG / TacScorp with the 9.5x11.5 nominal + cheater bottom corners or Highcom with the cheaters + 9x11 "not-10x12."
Nominal sizing is the new cheat ring. Everybody's doing it for shooter cut plates except BASED Gilliam. New trick, same consequence. Reduced coverage.

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Are Mechanix and Sports gloves the go to? what kind of gloves, if any would you use?

>>65186235
They are for me, I have 3 pairs of mechanix. They're just gloves, so treat them as such. They will rip, they will tear, the stitching will burst. If you're worried about longevity, you can always get some hide gloves. But they're not great to shoot with, and your hands will get sweaty. If you just want some gloves, just get some mechanix, but know that you will have to replace them.

>>65186235
they're fine
if you just do flat range larping you probably don't even need gloves unless you have soft fairy hands

I like their rubber padded ones, really helps to stop your fingers from getting crushed and fucked up, but I actually dig trenches and cut down trees instead of just walking around the woods in full kit like a fat fuck retard so your use case may vary

>>65186111
>>65186221
New rule of thumb. Since everyone is playing fuckfuck games with shooters cut sizing, buy SAPI M.

>>65186430
already doing that

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>>65186433
Solid. From what I can tell, the trick seems to be that since SAPI sizing is actually defined and regulated, there's specific trade usage dictating a SAPI M for example must be exactly 9.5x12.5 and also have the exact same top corner angles every time. There is no agreed trade usage for 10x12 shooters or 8x10, so everybody just makes it the fuck up. Thus, SAPI sizing forces companies to be accurate.
>>65186111
3811 anon, I have concerns if your shooters cut is actually an inch shorter than SAPI M. Again, that means your plate is a 10x11.5. Hesco's manufacturing tolerance per HCC Tactical is as follows:
>Thickness dimensions are ± 1/8 in (± 3 mm). Width and length dimensions are +0.00 to -0.25 in (+0.00 to -6 mm). All weights are ± 5%.
So if you buy a 10x12 the minimum size is 9.75x11.75. That's new but I guess Hesco is getting in on the nominal sizing bullshittery too. If you've really got a 10x11.5 your plate is out of spec, plain and simple. Also check thickness and weight if you can, just want to rule out you didn't get boned with a factory second not-10x12.

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>>65186126
>>65186221
>>65186430
>>65186514
Apologies for the cliffhanger, I was out of the house all day after I posted. The plates are both size L. Shooter is 11.75", SAPI is 12.75".

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>>65186659
L shooter weighs 3 lb 8.3 oz
L SAPI weighs 4 lb 1.7 oz

>>65186659
>both size L
SAPI L, not SAPI M? In that case your SAPI is half an inch shorter than it should be (12.75 vs 13.25). If you mean SAPI M then 0.25 over isn't weird but it's still out of the range HCC has for Hesco plates.
The shooters is fine then, since that's within range as given by HCC.

>>65186666
So the shooter is 3.52lb as a 10x11.75, but was advertised by Hesco as 3.4lb for 10x12. That's actually a pretty major discrepancy because it comes out to 0.2lb if you equalize sizing.
For comparison, the difference between the Hesco 4600 which was permanently removed from the NIJ CPL for unresolved safety concerns and the fixed 4601 is 0.4lb. All of that was added safety margin material.
This is anecdotal, but it sounds like Hesco had to make the plate heavier. You aren't supposed to change a plate after getting it NIJ certified, which the 3811 is, so I'm miffed on whether this would trigger a FIT issue.
Anyways, the plates are fine despite the coverage issues, I'm just autistically miffed about the areal density difference.

>>65186668
They are both size L.
>In that case your SAPI is half an inch shorter than it should be (12.75 vs 13.25).
Well shit, I think you're right. Looks like the SAPI may be out of spec.

>>65186694
Thanks for double checking. A SAPI L should be 10.25x13.25 and per Hesco is 4.1lb. Your plate is 10.25x12.75 and 4.1lb. If corrected to the advertised size it is 4.26lb. That's within 5% weight (3.9%) so not out of spec there, but the sizing is definitely too small.
The plates are most likely fine in terms of performance, you're just down on coverage somewhat.

>>65186723
>you're just down on coverage somewhat.
Irritating because I'm inbetween M/L, so coverage from a lightweight plate was the whole reason I bumped up to L.
You guys weren't kidding when you talk about armor manufacturers being shady.

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>>65184974
thoughts on the MSV?

>>65186934
Looks like something a fat person would wear.

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Is chase tactical a chinkshit brand

Are RMA 1155 and 1165 still bad, should I spring for a MIRA plate instead

Is it worth looking for some sort of insulating insert for a chest rig/battle belt canteen pouch or an insulated canteen? I have a milsurp ALICE insulated canteen pouch, but it doesn't always fit what I'm going for.

>>65186741
Nominally sizing a SAPI plate is a new problem. Since SAPI L is industry standardized I would strongly recommend reaching out to Verrett's to try and get an exchange going. You ordered a SAPI L, you got what's basically some kind of SAPI medium-wide labeled as SAPI L.
And yeah, the armor industry is shady as hell.
>>65187240
No, they're Highcom's largest distributor and vendor.
>>65187319
They're still bad, yes. The 10x12s are BADLY undersized. The 1155 is still a dated alumina fiberglass design and the 1165 is strict no drop protection like the old Highcom 4SAS4. You don't get an Alumina plate that light without tricks.
>MIRA
Rebranded Hesco or mystery meat. Which model are you looking at? The 4403 is reliable but falls apart the moment you take it above Level IV spec. No headroom whatsoever. A mere 20-30ft/s above Level IV requirements will result in a passthrough.
Save for the Hesco 4601, that's very reliable and much lighter, just a thick boi at 1.18" or so. Alternatively, if you can't save, track down used Protech 2230s. Lighter than the 4403 (7.5lb vs 7.7lb) and far stronger, but 1.2" thick. Rated to stop M2AP over 3,510ft/s versus max NIJ IV spec of 2,910ft/s. I got a pair of 2230s for under $350 since they were expired, policesurp.

>>65187324
https://www.ebay.com/itm/157320567049
Something like this?
Otherwise cut up some isomat

>>65187352
It's just called the "Mira Level IV Plate" but 403 is the closest to a model number I could find. Rebranded Hesco?
I heard the Gen 2 1165s were better even if they have no drop protection

>>65186235
i've been using Mechanix M-PACT 0.5mm covert gloves; they have great dexterity and decent longevity for larping, they are my favorite. i've tried outdoor research iron sight gloves, Mechanix M-PACT 3, and regular Mechanix M-PACT but i always come back to Mechanix M-PACT 0.5mm covert.

Upgrading pc's cb with a tegris cb. Putting on my flower apc. Want tubes in the front, and velcro panels in back to attach it easily to carrier. Only one I've come across this morning in my briefs search has been from AceTac. Anyone know if their stuff is good quality or not? Do you know of any other brands that are more reputable that offer the same set up i want?Thanks in advance.

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>>65187465
>Go to pivot tube
>Velcro comes undone
Bravo Nolan

Tubes are dumb btw.

>>65187470
Never had that happen and tubes are nice for easy on/off.

>>65184974
Also, fu you ban happy retarded mods.

>>65187384
Yeah, that's the 4403, just looked and the weight / thickness are a match. Overpriced, too. They should be $200-220 a plate, not $280.
>I heard the Gen 2 1165s were better even if they have no drop protection
The 4403 is a competitor to the RMA 1155 since they're both fiberglass-backed IVs. The 1165 is technically a competitor to the Hesco 4K10, which cannot be purchased outside of Mexico beyond rare surplus or overrun deals.
RMA's reputation is ass outside of astroturfed reddit because they play tricks on every single plate they have. The 1165's shooters cut is 9.5x11.5 nominal, with variance and bottom corner cuts, so you're down big time on coverage. Also, the lack of drop protection is severe. It can be damaged in the mail if improperly packaged. RMA literally told Buffman to not subject it to ANY drop protection.

>>65187384
Also, just as an added point, the 1165 GEN2 is only 0.7" thick. That is DAMN thin for a standalone Level IV plate. A clear tell there's both little safety margin and no drop protection. Additionally, it's only 5.3lb for a 9.5x11.5 but 6.1lb for SAPI M. There should never be more than a 0.2-0.3lb difference between the two. If there is a larger difference, then shit's really nominal and the shooters cut is gonna be tiny.
Sometimes it's better to go with a heavier, more reliable solution than the lightest available. Hesco 4601s or Militech RF3 Black Labels are probably the play here. If you're brave, Gilliam 9969s. If you can source them, REV. G and later ESAPIs with soft armor are very stout and similar in weight to the SAPI M 1165 and 4601.

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Ok so as someone said chase tactical is legit, is this a good option then? I was looking at used ones prior but if I can get it new especially with my federal discount then isn’t this probably my best bet? Gotta drill for a shroud but I can always pay someone more qualified to do that I suppose

>>65187750
There's no free lunch with armor. If it's on that deep of a sale then there's probably a reason.

>>65187761
It’s just the black ones, the other colors are all 665

>>65187770
Considering it's Chase, the architects of the whole 4SAS4 debacle from a year and a half back, that should give some pause. Black ones are one third the price all of a sudden? Nobody's buying?
I'd just get a used ACH. "IIIA" does not exist for helmets and stuff like BFD measuring methods are all over the place.

Well, this throws a wrench in the VelSys PBZSA versus Hesco SC3812 versus Protech DT306C debate if Hesco is playing dirty with sizing now.

>>65187775
Not familiar enough with /k/ lore to know what that is but if I should be wary I appreciate the heads up. I've just heard these are all Highcom helmets which I've heard are quite good, as as someone said previously they're Highcom's largest dealer. Let's say I could get the price down to 150 with discounts - would it not be worth it then? Or is the product actual dogshit disguised as armor?

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>>65185898
I've got that Unobtainium rig in SMG flavor. Decent piece of kit. I need to order more stuff from him.

>>65188108
Long story short, mid 2022-2023 Highcom won some major State Department contracts to supply plates to Ukraine. Highcom had a load of overrun strike faces afterwards. These sat on a shelf until about October 2024 when Highcom took them and added very cheap, very crap fiberglass backers and called them the 4SAS4 - pretendjng it's the same plate as the real 0101.04 certified (formerly) 4SAS4 from 2008. It's not.
Chase, as Highcom's master vendor, handled major distribution to the small guys like Titan, TacticalShit, Tactical Edge, etc, and also sold these plates themselves. Apex sold them too. These plates were advertised by Highcom to 0101.06, bombed a simulated 0101.06 test by Buffman, Chase threatened legal action and their CS accused Buff of rigging the test on behalf of "other companies." and there was a huge debate spanning four threads on /k/.
Everyone here got chargebacks because the plates Chase sold had workmanship defects, bad labels, failed tap/torque, etc. Now the 4SAS4 is mostly gone.

>okay so are the helmets good?
Maybe. Highcom recently got caught playing games with the rating on the flagship RCH helmet. It's really just a super overpriced ECH. It is not this level III+ super helmet they advertised it as. If that's the game they play with their best helmet, how do you think they are with the random 66% super discount model?

Highcom does shady shit, so does Chase, end of story. Milsurp helms are held to tight contract standards. These aren't.

>>65188108
>Let's say I could get the price down to 150 with discounts - would it not be worth it then? Or is the product actual dogshit disguised as armor?
Forgot to address this point. 150 is still above police surp helmets on botach surplus, ebay, and other sites. I got a Ceradyne BA3A for well under $100 and it's comparable to that Highcom, and, made by a much more reputable company whose only scandal was a delam problem mostly confined to two USSOCOM plates.
Protech, United Shield, and Busch helmets are also worth consideration. Expiration dates are just the warranty provided they weren't abused or stored improperly for long periods of time.

Fundamentally the issue is how risk-averse you are. If you need dead nuts, milsurp helmet. On the other end of the spectrum, cheap ass chinesium. Policesurp and new-but-sketchy are in the middle.

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>>65185918
>crye magclip
I love larping just as much as the next guy but I cannot fathom a mall ninja tier scenario you would need IWB stanags.

>>65188278
Gonna save this post so I know what to look out for, thank you anon
>>65188304
Also gonna check out botach surplus, really good call, these are good prices. Ebay has good prices but finding an XL for my fatass head is hard sometimes. Had one I was about to buy (and in coyote no less) a week or so ago for $250 but I slept on it and missed it. Might wait on botach in case something like that pops up again...

>>65188323
Hudson gunner

>>65188323
Glad to help. End of the day, the entire armor industry is shady as hell. There are just different grades of shady. Fundamental reason is that most armor never gets tested, because the only way to test it is to shoot and destroy it. Ergo, a lot of companies can sling garbage, and have done so, for years without getting caught.
Classic example is Dragonskin. Has been around since 1998, took until 2006 for the problems to come out. Another one is Zylon. Debuted for armor in the 1990s but took until 2003 for a fatality to happen.
>Botach
Their own armor is trash but their surplus site is hilariously cracked and I love it. >Want expired, probably recalled Hesco 4400s? $100/set.
>Want a 27 year old boron carbide Protech 4C-9812 for fifty bucks? Sold!
>Want a 50lb mega battering ram for breaching crack castles in the sub-ghetto deep inside the regular ghetto? Forty bucks for shipping please.
>Want a taser riot shield only sold to law enforcement? Two hundred!
>>65188377
Seconded. Hudsongunner has great deals and is the source for cheap Protech plates like the 2014Gs and 2120-5s.

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>>65188441
A lot of the stuff on botach doesn't have sizes listed, this has been on catalyst surplus for a bit, I guess I can just buy a helmet cover and rails any time?

https://www.catalystsurplus.com/product-page/paraclete-pth-iiia-ach

At any rate I'm at 60-61cm so I assume I should get an XL in any brand. Not sure about the rachet sizing on protech helmets that says it can fit S-XL, seems sketchy

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>>65188312
>I cannot fathom
Thats why noone will remember your name
[spoiler]Flip it the other way
OWB stanags for casual fucking around on the range as anon requested[/spoiler].

>>65187033
its what the army used to replace the IOTV. I don't understand why they don't use the CPC since the MSV looks like its terrible

>>65188468
what pouch

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>>65188462
>A lot of the stuff on botach doesn't have sizes listed
They just list shit man. Whatever's in the PD dumpster.
>this has been on catalyst surplus for a bit, I guess I can just buy a helmet cover and rails any time?
Catalyst is solid except they exaggerate armor ratings on plates like those kinda shitty Protech X-CAL LPs. That's not relevant here, just a side note. Paraclete is very good and has a good rep.
>At any rate I'm at 60-61cm so I assume I should get an XL in any brand.
Always check sizing. This goes double if you ever join chinamaxx gang because their shit is either tiny or they assume Americans are all seven feet tall and everything is huge. Going off pic rel you can do either L or XL. If you're in-between helmet sizes, always size up.
>Not sure about the rachet sizing on protech helmets that says it can fit S-XL, seems sketchy
That's not too uncommon. My BA3A is a one-size-fits-most, you just arrange padding and adjust straps.

>>65188491
KDH has a lot of pull and was a prior manufacturer for the IOTV.

>>65188505
I imagine its better than the IOTV but it feels like the military in general is always 10-15 years behind everyone when adopting something for mass issue and always pick a not so great option

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>>65188323
Also if you want the full Highcom 4SAS4 / Chase Tactical / Tactical Shit aka RACHEL being a shit saga, here are the four legendary Highcom Threads.

THREAD 1:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62910354/
THREAD 2:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62950094/
THREAD 3:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/62982073
THREAD 4:
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63009662

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>>65188514
It's a critical component of the VTP program and the whole shebang is making stuff lighter. The plates are lighter, vest is lighter, soft armor is lighter.
>but it feels like the military in general is always 10-15 years behind everyone when adopting something for mass issue
ESAPIs are phenomenal plates for mass issue. I don't know any other country where the current standard issue plate is B4C-SiC hybrid backed by PE and there's like a million of the things in reserve. VTP is now transitioning to a mix of standalone GEN-I LSAPI, GEN-IV ESAPI, and GEN-IV XSAPI which are all excellent plates except for the maximum BFD being 62mm, which is more than double the BFD limit of all European standards and nearly four times that of the Russian standard.
>I imagine its better than the IOTV
Situational but it's probably a better generalist.

>and now the future!
Granted the MSV seems pretty meh, and if we're talking about "pull" then Velocity Systems will be pitching their Wraith carrier with special 20% larger fucknuts plates (pic rel) to USSOCOM pretty hard. Only thing holding them back is that it needs special plates and the only one they've got so far from Tencate is a mediocre 7.62x39mm PS stopper.

>>65188499
Yeah I'm not gonna trust what a website says about armor, just the brand, and I know paraclete is solid. Prices on places like botach and hudson gunner are super fucking good but how am I supposed to know what size is listed? There are helmets I'd buy right now if I knew they were XL for example

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Side bar, pic rel is a rizzed up comparison of a Russian GOST-BR5 plate versus a REV. A ESAPI against basic 7.62x54R.
The Russian plate has to abide by a 17mm BFD standard while the early ESAPI has to abide by a maximum 44-49mm, close to NIJ. To do this, the GOST plate gets a "CAP" trauma pad (what temu leon kennedy is holding), which is extremely effective and you can buy them on aliexpress for like twenty bucks in exchange for making yourself the Michelin man.
Otherwise both plates had soft armor as required, and yes, if you run the ESAPI with a CAP it would likely have put on an equally good show. Just saying.

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>>65188545
You can always email them - sales@botach.com

>>65188545
and hudsongunner's email is cs@hudsongunner.com or you can reach him on tacswap

>>65188556
>>65188563
Good call again, thanks dude

>>65188592
No problem. Always check Botach and Hudson every two weeks or so for deals. I missed a phenomenal deal on a portable collapsing Protech tactical ladder on Botach a few weeks ago. Was like $300 but it's no shit worth 6-8 grand and normally credential-blocked.
Also don't knock ebay. I missed a deal on two Hesco 4800LVs (ICW IIIA version) for about $350. Gunbroker is also good.

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>>65188547
>file.nam
Bespoke seamstress identified...

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>>65188515
This is brutal. Highcom's stock price never recovered from this.

>>65188682
Get your ass on aliexpress and ask em for a custom man, or taobao if you're ELITE

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>>65188556
Show me the link to these loads.

>>65188719
Yeah, but what if I can fuck my seamstress and still get her to stitch for me? Sometimes an irl 3d grrl is better. Just sayin', I don't have the Taobao code for that.

>>65188722
Yes captain!
https://vbrbelgium.be/44-magnum-controlled-fragmentation

>>65188718
An armor company ass beating that bad only happens once every five years. It does happen every five years or so, regularly.
>>65188733
Then get the aliexpress secret links to make your dream a reality!

Hm, from the VBR website:
>"Based on the FBI rapports form shootings. 70% of all shooting victims are first hit trough the hand or through the arm because the arms are almost always in front of the target in a real shootout."
That really makes a compelling case for forearm armor. It's easy to ghetto rig 6x8 soft or hard like that, Jinwudun even sells forearm IIIA wholesale, but weight's an issue here if you want to roll rifle protection.

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>>65188767
>get the aliexpress secret links

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>>65188830
>because the arms are almost always in front of the target

>>65188853
You have to build relationships with Aliexpress sellers in the right fields. Because the Chinese will sell anything for the right price, they have extensive back catalogs for trusted individuals.
You may have to agree to buy on a more neutral platform like MIC or Global Sources instead of Aliex depending on what you're looking at.
Example being signal jammers. You can't buy them straight on Aliex because they're illegal, but ALLEGEDLY with the right secret links SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE, but you can buy them at your peril anyways on MIC.

I think a guy bought fent a while ago on Aliexpress via a secret link but it got caught on import.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/358483689427?_skw=surplus+ballistic+helmet

if i were to get this where could i send it to be properly drilled for a nvg shroud?

>>65188859
It doesn't have to be a wound!
https://world.taobao.com/item/WVY5dG1VUGdFMVFQdkFDWGJUT2Y0UT09.htm

>>65188873
>LEVEL NIJ-IIIA
>read as LEVEL NINJA
I like it better my way.

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>>65188878
Agreed. It is clear that Anon was right and Taobao saves money. We're talking $160/set for those Jinwudun NINJA BRACERS versus $179/set direct from JWD. Taobao... is the final frontier of Chinamaxxing...

>"I never wanted this, I never wanted to sell SiC-TiB2 to American civilians and make them able to stop black tips on the cheap with based Gilliam 9969s and Adept Colossi."

>"Together we banished the ignorance of AR500 steel, but you banned me from the NIJ CPL, you banned us all."

>"You stole contract overruns from the Ukrainians and lied to your youtubers."

>"Poorfags have only one chance to prosper, if you will not sell them affordable plates... then I will!"

>"So let it be TAOBAO, from the skies of the Taiwanese Auction House to the Global Sources rimmed LiTai Light Tough Level IV, aka the Hesco 4800 but half the price!"

>"Let the polyethylene boil, let the RMA 1165s fall!"

>"Though it takes the last ping ping of my sweatshop, I will see the poorfags armored once more, and if I can not save it from your failure, NIJ, then let the poorfags buy BOTACH!"

>>65188636
>tactical ladder
>credential-blocked
what

>>65188926
You just can't have anyone running around with tactical ladders!
https://youtu.be/gQVkHNZl7Cs?si=15yis-alP543pi-F

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>neetmaster when he wakes up at two in the morning to read the latest chinese armor industry wank and sees the Hesco 3811 is FUCKED.
>>65188926
You need to be a COP to buy these ladders!
https://www.alternateforce.net/protech-tactical-portal-ladder.html

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>mfw I go to a meetup in the middle of a city for some reason and I see someone has a CREDENTIAL-BLOCKED ladder

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>tfw you're so gangsta you gotta CRED BLOCKED LADA, NINJA BRACERS and your wallet says BAD MUTHA FUCKA!

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>>65189000
>CHECK EM
>tfw you got expired cred blocked Protech plates and you're finna cop some Protech DT306Cs, a k a the PBZSA killer, but you can't afford it so you need to do some side missions.
https://www.copquest.com/safariland-hardwire-8000-type-iii-stand-alone_89-2540.htm

Anyways, now that the SC3812 is both CRED BLOCKED and probably nominally sized, the Protech DT306C is hereby the only remaining plate that can CHALLENGE the VelSys PBZSA.

>>65189012
>Anyways
Anyway.

>>65189503
Damn.

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>>65188830
People generally shoot at the threat, untrained people will shoot you in the firearm because they see that as the threat. Anytime you do sims you will see a shitload of rifle hits that would be catastrophic to the rifle's functionality. This all feeds back into why you shouldnt fuck with malfunctions and should just rip out a pistol if rifle goes click.
>>65188497
Eagle industries 3x2 m4 mag pouch

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>>65189671
I helped somebody!

>>65189790
>Anytime you do sims you will see a shitload of rifle hits
>while larping and mag dumping each other you hit lots of shit you're not trying to fit because you're poorly trained and whoever is running your sim is letting you run around like retards
DARC sounds like some amateur hour shit

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>>65189921
>you're poorly trained
Why do you think Matt Pranka rags on cops lack of ability to shoot?

>>65189790
Homes' logic here is making a good case for ballistic shields. If they're tagging your gun they aren't tagging your plates unless you're doomguy holding the gun between your nipples like that one dude from fifteen threads ago.

>>65188377
I'm probably going to commit to the Protech 2014G plates listed here as my first plates. Thanks for the site recommendation. Now onto finding a nice slick carrier for them.

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>>65189979
Hence a lot of lights center bias on shields
Short kings with ballistic shields win again???

>>65190001
They're dependable, just keep in mind they're bare minimum Level IV and therefore cannot be expected to have any multi-hit. Protech's marketing material is even pretty explicit about this.
I have a better idea for you, if you don't mind a 1.2" thick plate. This dude here has a set of Protech 2230s for $600 on Gunbroker. He's been sitting on them for months now, so shoot him an offer for $150-200 a plate. This is a MUCH stronger plate with similar weight. Lighter than a Hesco 4403, and stops M2AP at over 3,510ft/s vs the base max requirement of 2,910ft/s. They also simultaneously meet both Level III and IV.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1179981122

If you prioritize a thin plate however then the 2014Gs are solid.
>>65190015
A2 embraces shield meta?!?!

>>65190029
>https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1179981122
I'd been eyeing those too. I'll see if he bites at the offer. Thanks for the input.

>>65190036
No problem. Just keep in mind Level IV plates only have to stop one .30-06 M2AP. Level III plates have to stop six 7.62x51mm M80 with minimum 51mm spacing and 51mm from the plate edges. Lots of Level IV plates will fail the Level III test. The 2230s are one model, among some others, rated for both.

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>>65188547
I need a tactical fur lined cape

>>65190087
Won at $203 a plate.

>>65190108
Welcome to "not gonna sweat about pissing hot loads" gang.

>>65190105
PURCHASE the national style rizz cloak
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808597198456.html?

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>>65188312
>not rocking the condor cipher jeans with rifle mag pockets and flex waist band for your ccw
legit comfy jeans that have held up for a few years

>>65190142
>C-C-CONDOR!?!?!?

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>>65190145
yep, gusseted crotch too
I can chuck norris kick in these bitches

>>65190160
Gun kata pants

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>>65190175
Clever.

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So, I got my package from Breaking Gear Surplus:
>https://www.instagram.com/breakinggearsurplus/
I was under the impression I was ordering this
>https://solutions.forgelinefieldwear.com/products/wind-shell-jacket-success?variant=44390883197097
But I got the lost arrow version instead, I’m pretty sure they’re exactly the same but he did advertise it was forgeline.
Other than that good comms and fast shipping he is legit but I think he just made a mistake for the post thinking it was forgeline however he deletes posts after they’re sold and I’m pretty sure I remember a photo of the tag which said forgeline

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>>65190211