Post gear, discuss gear.Geared-up in public. Old: >>65159854
First for fuck you guys, multicam is ultimate drip.
>>65168372Scorpion W2>>>>>>>>>>>>multicam
>>65168372It's not bad.
/gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF>Last time on /gq/, Apex Armor Solutions' owner got laid the hard way, Adept revealed a $1,550 super plate, and we debated about the Hesco 4403 AGAIN.>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.165CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):Budget: Hesco T212 or L211Mid-Range: Hesco M210High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):Budget: Expired Hesco 3611C, surp SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DNDElite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):Budget: Used Protech 2120-5Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513High-End: LTC 28780**Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or LTC 28791** or Hesco SC3812Elite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995) or used Cercom CER-SOPS**^>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)High-End: Used LTC 28595**Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G or Gilliam 1023Budget: Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* (+ Level III) or surp ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J preferable, adds M995 / 3x M2AP vs 1x)High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DNDElite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)Budget: Protech 2230 (fast M2AP, $300/set used)Budget-Tungsten: Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)
I am once again asking what the opinion is on police surplus vests like Blauer to justify my $40 purchase
>>65168411it LOOKS like shit. is it armor or just a vest?
>>65168417Just a vest, there’s slots for plates on the front and back
>>65168428pretty shit then. I'd rather have an FLC, and you probably would have saved some money too.
>>65168355>thin as a railUnbred petites are so hot.
>>65168436>I'd rather have an FLCHow tf do you fit plates to an FLC, dingus?>>65168386Keep this in /gq/. No sharing, traitor.
>>65168185That's not too surprising. M855 vs PE and M193 vs steel isn't a silver bullet situation, it's velocity dependent and also depends on the specific grades of materials in the armor. Old school PE can't even stop 7.62x39 MSC.PRIME was able to make a relatively reliable M855 stopping PE plate at about 1.3" thick using mystery meat, and there's now about half a dozen known PE plates that stop M855. It's feasible a good historical model like the 2113MC could if backed by quality IIIA.>>65168347I think LTC did with the 28601s what Highcom did with the 4SAS4. Leftover materials, assembled a final run, passed them off to vendors and didn't tell them what the fuck they actually do and don't do.
>>65168445That is in /gq/, you cross posting faggot. Just buy your police vest, and fuck off to your night shift security job.
>>65168445>How tf do you fit plates to an FLC, dingus?under it, dingus.
>>65168411This plus a pair of Protech 2014Gs for $220 = $260 pfg special>>65168445Keep what in /gq/, news of the EMPEROR'S ARRIVAL, Apex getting ass and paying the price, or that neetmaster can't find a single example of .300 winchad M2AP actually being a problem justifying against the low headroom 4403? Emperor probably has the same problem. Adept told me it's a "true IV", so don't expect much better performance than a 4800.
>>65168459>Just buy your police vest, and fuck off to your night shift security job.As usual, you miss the loint.What would serve you right is to have the slapfighting armor autists (2 + 1 shadow autist) take over your thread. That would leave us free to discuss capes, faux fur vests, viking helmets and led lanterns.
>>65168469>Adept told me it's a "true IV", so don't expect much better performance than a 4800.I don't, and it keeps me up at night. Last night I hid in the closet and wept.
>>65168488>/bag/anon got fucking benchedOof, but check em. They can now make the pimp cloaks in M81, tiger stripe, and other camos like MULTICAM.
>>65168411If they come with armor, $40 is pretty good. If its just the vest its going to be very mid. Most of these suck as load bearing platforms and don't really keep up with industry trends. If you want a good surplus carrier, theres plenty of good options you can find on ebay, tacswap fb marketplace etc. If you want good soft armor coverage, a surplus balcs vest like a ciras is a good choice. They can often be found for under $100.
>>65168494>pimp cloaks in M81finally, something good
>>65168494>/bag/anon got fucking benchedWTF are you on about Anon? I'm still waiting for the other autists to give feedback on the soft armor guide they begged me to write. Instead they got distracted and started talking about chinese plates.
>>65168494>other camosCape heros raiding /arg/.
>>65168492Yeah, well, Level IV plates tend to get pretty flimsy once you get below 5.5lb, so dropping a pound from that means there's going to be compromises, even with a novel B4C-TiN ceramic and it's $3,100+ a set.Still stops M2AP with less than 25mm BFD sans drop test.
>>65168505You weren't present during Hesco 4403 Debate Part Four: Neetmaster's Attempted Strike Back in which he forgets WHY M2AP is the Level IV test threat and I'm half assing it because I was tired!>chinese platesAh shit, I guess the EMPEROR is Chinese then...I'll give the latest version a once over in a few.>>65168507Nice.>>65168504They'll do that too.
>>65168505>WTF are you on about Anon?I was lost, I am now found. Only to return to where I started from. Simultaneously, a comedy and a tragedy.
>>65168530The greek tragedy of RMA. From cheat rings to kind okay plates and back to cheat rings but they're invisible this time.Man, with Apex and RMA simultaneously getting sued for different things, Highcom continuing to be a penny stock, Stealth allegedly owing the Chinese money, and Midwest not shipping shit, we're really shaping up for the latter half of the 2020s in armor being dominated by the... Chinese.
>>65168547>dominated by the...Gilliam.
>>65168555>CHECK EMThat new 5.5lb 9969 gonna give the Archon some competition. Don't forget HUDI'S TACTICAL. They got cheap shields! $480! IIIA!https://hudis-tactical.com/products/level-iiia-ballistic-shield?
>>65168558I just want lvl iv roundel.
>>65168558What kind of backface deformation would a 3A shield have against .375 H&H or .458Winchester Magnum?
>>65168494I need to cop the tiger stripe one
>>65168568Best they can do is IIIA man.https://www.etsy.com/listing/4402447950/nij-iiia-ballistic-shield-tactical?
>>65168585Chief, a .458 Winmag has a ~600ft/s advantage on a .45-70, and a .375 H&H about the same. Odds are decent they'll both pierce, especially if projectile geometry is good and/or the shield is fiberglass or rather cheap PE. If steel then you MIGHT be okay.A .45-70 produces roughly 120mm or so versus IIA soft armor, and shields are held to lower standards than body armor, with no BFD limit under shields' 0108.01 versus body armor's 0101.0X, so there could be issues even in spite of a IIIA shield's higher rating.
>>65168585Actually, come to think of it, you'd probably be okay with a Level III PE shield if you can raise from IIIA, since all-poly plates / shields do handle non-AP, highly energetic rounds well. VetsMFG used to sell a 4lb PE plate that could "stop" .50 BMG AMAX but with very high BFD, albeit still losing outright to M855, so if you wanna stop big game rifles with your shield then something similar is your ticket.
>>65168589>trust level == none
>>65168601Interesting, thx.
>>65168515Alright well until anyone has feedback for the guide I'm going to return to lurking. In other news I got an RBA front plate this week.
>>65168605No problem, hit up Jinwudun or Botach for options.https://jinwudun.com/collections/bulletproof-shieldBotach has a Level III 12x24 9.5lb for $450 which seems appealing. Just keep in mind no dice versus M855 unless velocity is low.>>65168505Alright, so pointers so far:Highcom is good, Hardwire 57 is still cock blocked but you CAN buy Level II Hardwire 51 without credentials. I would add that in since unless fast 9x19 or .44 mag or needing to back ICW plates are problems, you can usually get away with II vs IIIA.Shield defense is good. Militech good. I would maybe make the pictures smaller and put the text to the right so we can put in more options without getting cramped for space. I need to find them again but there are some interesting IIIA+ panels coming out of Europe with advertised capabilities similar to that Omniprotex - which needs to get on this list pronto.
>>65168616Very nice. I gave you some pointers in >>65168629. Also here's the buffman data on the OPX-ELITE vs the OPX-ULTRA. So the Ultra also picks up Stab Level I, meaning it has the same protection there as Safelife's IIIA+.Beats Liberty Civil at 2,501 and 2,593ft/s, which is fucking outstanding. Safelife's IIIA+ is only tested for up to 2,067ft/s against the same threat. Roughly 200ft/s advantage versus the Elite. That Black Dragon Fang 5.7 is interesting business, a real "IIIB" threat. About $2.50/shot if anyone wants some.https://www.vanguardoutfittersllc.com/57x28-custom-ammo/custom-ammo-1476/blackfang-obsidian-dragon-14761867
I wish I had the autism for armor discussion. There are moments, but I can’t stop thinking about ghillie.
>>65168641why not both?
>>65168646This has been a thing. Flexible plates, soft armor, icw. Been working out my ventilation though. El Niño meaning it’s prolly going to hot af this summer
>>65168649Fun fact, since Stealth Armor Systems uses Adept's SiC-TiB2, and now Adept is using B4C-TiN to get similar Level IV performance but with a 25% weight reduction, it is feasible for Stealth's DragonSkin to get similar reductions, if supplied the same ceramic, and maintain the same performance against steel core threats if you're willing to cough up ridiculous sums of money.You're probably looking at ~10k for a full coverage "vest" Level IV getup and you'll get still clocked by M995 out of a 20" probably maybe actually.>and yes, pic rel is the only known picture of the Ceradyne 2572575 anywhere. Arguably the most esoteric of the three "Super Ceradynes" - the 4lb quasi-IV SAEC, 5.3lb Swiss P AP 96034, and this multi-hit 5.7lb M993 / Swiss P (?) 2572575.
>>65168660I hope they take klarna. I’ve considered going slick, but it’s less the weight of the plate and more baking under the carrier + layers on top. At least my first finished suit is going full bush. Everybody appreciates a bush. Later copies I may gravitate to a top + hood setup. Progress is slow, but getting there. Go birds
>>65168641Rule #1 Don't be seenRule #2 Don't be shotRule #3 Don't be pen
>>65168675Unfortunately Adept doesn't take klarna you gotta pay up front. Stealth does take google pay so you can break your purchase into a number of installments or do buy now pay later and try to get the buy money gambling on progressive slots in Vegas. Just saying. Go birds.
>>65168676rule #4 don't penAlso there's a count missing from pic related, apparently, he is accused of also assaulting his ex girlfriend with a flashbang.>Bravo sex, going dark on my customers.
>>65168679This was joke, but yes. Will need to make some deals, but nuclear stocks ain’t too good right now. Technically good if you got the cash, but casino has better odds currently. You’d think with alara rollback you’d see some improvement but not so much. I’ve got my eye on the oneleaf still, but took a side route on a sniper glock (24).
>>65168690I bought a Burris BTS35 and if I just waited two months could have bought a Oneleaf instead. Damn it!
>>65168589You want a Level IV boba fett helmet?It's not rated for those wrist rockets.https://www.etsy.com/listing/4387991588/nij-iv-ballistic-helmet-closed-shell?
>>65168681>flashbang.Sex under stobelight did nothing wrong.
>>65168716>We're going deep and we're going hard>*unzips*>Surely you can't be serious!>I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.>cue the sex musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-30BuK1Myuw
>>65168729>sex musicActually not bad.
>>65168741Well they don't call it mile high club for nothing. I finished that shit on Veteran and needed a cigar afterwards.
>>65168586Get on aliexpress right now fool. Also, FYI, you can now buy the VPAM European Hescos in the states.https://www.hcctac.com/products/8v007-vpam-level-7-multi-curve?The 8V007 is an 800 series, VPAM PM-7, so it's like a 3810 or 3811 but has tighter BFD requirements. Someone get the 8V0012 already I want my Hesco Colossussy.
Knock knock, new shit time. Behold... the HICAR hypervelocity rifle and M855A1+.https://sam.gov/workspace/contract/opp/b1a57529aa574e8ba220e0311434733e/view>HICAR shall fire and function with M855A1, Mk262 as well as Government supplied M855A1+ hypervelocity ammunition loaded to 82kpsi (T); with future hypervelocity ammunition designs optimized for projectile velocity and terminal effects on target (O)Minimum barrel life is 8,000 rounds before a 5% degradation. Compatible with standard lowers.
>>65169751>HICAR shall not fire when on safeSo Sig is right out from the get go.
>>65168355>all obese
>>65168372Nuttinfaggot joined the chat
>>65168681What the fuck is his problem? Those can cause permanent hearing loss, tinnitus, and brain damage. I know that it's a meme to clown on Apex and his retarded sockpuppet accounts, but this accusation makes him seem extremely evil.
>>65170077I dunno. Keep in mind the ex-girlfriend could very well be making this shit the fuck up. Hearing is next month apparently. Things will be more developed then. John isn't even arrested or anything, he's just chilling.Word is John feels very confident he'll get off and the charges are based in fiction. I'd rather this not be an RMA v. John Doe I & II situation, so my advice: watch what you say in case it turns out he's clean. He's got every right to go after people for defamation.
>>65170143Yeah, that's why I said it's an accusation. > John isn't even arrested or anything, he's just chilling.Check court records. He's out on $500,000 bail. That's serious af.
>>65170157Thanks for the info, didn't see that. 500k is less than I would expect given the severity of charges, especially the "rape at gunpoint" in count #1.Prosecution still needs to show proof BARD, which is gonna be very difficult to meet unless there's a hell of a lot more than she-said-he-said.
>>65169859Nah it's probably gonna be SIG, let's be real. I'm liking the sound of this, especially if it gets commercialized and we can buy the beefed up uppers and ammo made to HICAR spec.M855 has a sporting use exemption, so even though it's inferior to A1 it probably will still do a number on Hesco 3810s and such if boosted a couple hundred ft/s in a M855+ spec.This also means there's a future "ARP+" problem down the road in a few years. Current poly plates might not age well.
>>65170219Not implying anything, just asking, but would they charge him if they didn't have the proof they think they need?
Can I afford to have drip if I'm operating a drone?
>>65170254What they "need" is for the jury to decide. You need a lot less than beyond a reasonable doubt, which the actual jury needs, to file charges.They're probably thinking they'll be able to get BARD through discovery, witness statements, expert witnesses, and other evidence. You need to file charges first to get to these steps. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd be willing to bet a lot of this hinges on whether a rape kit was done and whether "AP" (alleged victim) has injuries consistent with the charges. That will require expert testimony. Audiologist for the alleged flashbang, for one. If her eardrums are ruptured or something and it just happened conveniently with the alleged events, that's strong.
>>65168355Me in the back
>>65170279Yeah just go on aliexpress and CONSOOM
>>65170279you can't afford NOT to have drip
>>65170390PURCHASE A PIMP CLOAKhttps://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808371081807.html?
>>65168649>Been working out my ventilation thoughIn my case, a plate size for helmet pieces. https://a.co/d/0dpSzzGcLet me order, and I will review ...before July. Or you, but already carted.
>>65170383Based rice picker.
>>65170402He's not wrong.
Alright, how down bad do you have to be to sell dragonskin for this cheap?
DEAL ALERT (maybe?)Gilliam is running a sale, for some reason, on the Helion 2.5lb RF1 all-PE plate he launched like two months ago. $189/plate on ebay.So the story behind the weight increase from 2.1lb to 2.5lb is that the original 2.1lb version kept losing to 7.62x39 mild steel core, but stopped 7.62x51mm M80 and 5.56 M193 fine. Plate got beefed up to 2.5lb for headroom reasons.https://www.ebay.com/itm/287333841917?
>>65170617Love Gilliam, simple as. I bet the 1.8lb Level III Hescos get fucked up by 7.62x39mm MSC, but they're not transparent about it. Based Gilliam - Transparent .png
>>65170668>I bet the 1.8lb Level III Hescos get fucked up by 7.62x39mm MSC, but they're not transparent about it.Chief, the 3801 uses top-shelf Honeywell Spectra and the Gilliam Helion uses fresh off the boat Chinese white meat UHMWPE. There is a nearly fourfold difference in price between the two.
Also Gilliam's 1635 RF3 / Level IV plate is on sale for $199 a plate. Stops 2x .30-06 M2AP at NIJ spec after a double drop. 1" thick, 6.5lb for a 10x12.The reason why this mogs the Hesco 4403 is because the 4403 uses fiberglass backing just like Level IV plates from the mid 1970s, but the 1635 uses Chinese white meat PE which is both cheaper and more effective. China can make UHMWPE for basically nothing it's ridiculous. You can go on made-in-china.com and buy Linry "Level IV" plates for less than $30 a plate. (Don't do that).
>picrelFeed or Sneed?
>>65170716>A man who never buys ghost shift chinese jacket made at 2:35 am by drunk 55 year old chain smoker in sham shi po sweatshop and sold at chungking mansions to wholesaler is never a whole manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V1tE_1JLZE
>>65170716>$35/eaI dunna oh, man. Seems kinda sketch. It might not be real Ark tear icks?
wtf i love china now
>>65170737Dawg it looks sheer even in the pictures. Anon should get it for his girlfriend so he can see them tiddies through the jacket on a warm summer day
>>65170747
>>65170747>he can see them tiddies through the jacket on a warm summer dayI saw a girl once.
>>65170754here's one with a pimp cloak. No, she isn't real. I made her with a really shitty online free ai generator called perchance. Now you can make her real by getting a girlfriend and buying a pimp cloak from >>65170402 and then putting said pimp cloak on your girlfriend, therefore making her a pimp bitch and therefore marriage material.THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
>>65170757Looks real to me. I'll be in my bunk.
>>65170761me too
>>65170757>>65170747>>65170726.Multicam is for fagsMulticam black is for bottom fags
>>65168372multicam for functionality, specific camos for specific climates, anything else for fun. I love m81 and will die by it, but realistically, I'd be wearing multicam
Do micro chest rigs have a place in the modern loadout?I own both a micro and a regular.The micro is way more comfortable and carries what I need but it’s limited to 3 mags as opposed to 8 in my full size.However, with the micro I have much easier and convenient access to my battle belt and I can actually fit bigger things like mags on the belt that I can’t with the full sized rig.Only reason I ask is because I saw a discussion where a lot of people seemed to argue the doctrine for a civilian should be a full sustained combat loadout and they were kind of hating on the micro rigs.
>>65171378No one size fits all. What are you doing? Where are you going? What is the environment like? Context dictates. There are plenty of circumstances where a small/limited rig makes sense, there are plenty of circumstances where it does not. Let the situation, objective, environment and common sense guide you.
recommendations for similar thin/tall garrison type boots? I wore danner tachyons for my hospital job for years and the first two pairs lasted quite a while and were great, but I just rebought them for a third time and the quality and I think even the last have changed and are now dogshit. I havent even worn the texture off the tread lugs yet and I already have stitches popping and the fabric already ripped behind an ankle. I like thin unpadded boots that are tall so I can keep my laces up and out of the way of piss and vomit and blood. I also don't want mesh/airy uppers for obvious reasons but fuck at this point I'm even open to leather. Shittex need not apply.
>>65171378If you are a "civilian" you are going to at most have to protect your immediate area from looters before cops or nasty girls roll up. There will never be a total collapse where military units are raiding civilians but rather military cordons on areas that may last weeks, couple months tops while authorities reestablish control.
>>65171257Whoa, calm down with the antisemitism!
>>65171279>specific camos for specific climatesI wear arctic MC when feeding polar bears marshmallows in a snow storm, so yeah.
>>65168355Hot, but nerdy. Which is really hot!
>>65171378I could not have said it any better than >>65171417Where do micro rigs shine? >classes/matches where you need extra mags on body without a bunch of extra sustainment shit>exploring over longer distances/larger areas with a reduced threat matrix (likely in conjunction with a ruck)>Civil unrest/increased threat matrix situations where a smaller rig can be concealed under a windbreaker or Carhartt. When do micro rigs stop making sense?>threat matrix escalates well beyond Civil Unrest into WROL where chest rig/plate carrier visibility is no longer a concern (legally, socially)>any venture with limited resupply or extended duration where you must storagemaxx on both your front and backI commend you for already having both a heavy rig and a micro rig and would suggest you keep and maintain both
