How would you design the modern /k/ ration for maximum combat prowess?The original was canned meat, biscuits, coffee, chocolate and cigarettes for about 1000 kcal.
>>65196057The french had pantry-stable dehydrated wine called vinogel in the Indochina War. Nicknamed it tiger blood when drank straight.If only we had a decent beer in the ration pack.
>>65196057Slim-Jims, twinkies, pop-tarts, and meth.
freeze dried milk, payday candy bars, pepperoni slices, 100% medium roast arabica coffee, big league chew
>>65196106That's not bad
>>65196057A main protein in sauce soup, but optionally cookable pan fried. Then a soldier could "bbq" kinda if things weren't that hot.Side is a veggie and starch paste in either "fries" or "mash" but that gravy component is going to work for both.MRE bread is the bomb but an unflavored sponge cake corn bread is a thought. Secondary crackers.Fruit paste.Nut paste.choccy barcoffeewater purifying tabsgumsewing kit
>>65196057One thing I've noticed is that a single high quality element tends to leave people with an overall positive impression. So Id put the absolute worst slop dogshit, like a can of minced chickens feet and a plank of hard tack; but also include a bar of folded-1000-times grass-fed milk chocolate; people would love it.
... and half a freeze dried ham and cheese sandwich.
>>65196057could i..have that chestefield now?
>>65196120
5 gum
>>65196057Can't fix perfection.
>>65196166my mouthing is watering thinking about that
>>65196057
>>65196106The Bills Brew dehydrated coffee is actually quite decent for being freeze dried coffee.
>>65196166Mid tier at best. But does come with the chocolate energy rice crispy bar
>>65196193finally, a ration for dolphins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgxDk1OcdrMMREs are infinitely better than /k/-rations. setting aside the fact that this is an e-celeb reviewing a reproduction of the k-ration (though AFAIK the reproduction is *fairly* faithful to the original), I cannot imagine eating this thing for a lengthy period of time, and even this larper basically wanted to an hero after 3 days eating this shit
>>65196057There's no real need for them anymore since everyone is airborne and mobile. Rations like that are for troops out on tour for months at a time away from base/supply, etc. It's just another example of how all military is always behind the times.
>>65196166Unless they vastly improved it in a later version, that's probably the worst non-vegetarian MRE for me.Besides, I thought it was universally acknowledged that Chili and Macaroni is the King of MREs.
>>65196057Pizza but in a can
Coffee black with hardtack.
>>65196057Ham and meth in a can
>>65196303Chili mac fags get the rope.
>>65196267In ukraine some soldiers stay in bunkers for a long time, so they do need them..
>>65196267Months? MREs are just shelf-stable meals, you use them any time you're going to be away from a kitchen and not in a position to use your own cooking gear. A particularly long drive would qualify.
>>65196057Very few people like smoking these days. The the cigs are not even useful for bartering with civilians.
>>65196267>candy bars and crackers are obsolete because helicopters existgoddamn the absolute horse shit you hear on this board is fucking unreal
I have no major changes to make, just minor gripes and complaints>every main meal has a weird vaguely plastic aftertaste, maybe try to find a new preservative that gets rid oft that>drop the dogshit protein powder that comes in some of them and just put in some commercial shit like Gold Standard or whatever, the macros on the current stuff are horrible>include more carb/electrolyte items that don't require the addition of water in more meals, like the Zapple sauce, good for rehydrating/recarbing on the move but unfortunately uncommon in all MRE menus>caffeine pills in each meal, nothing crazy but like 50-100mg >a cheap dental pick/floss combo in each meal, along with the wipes and salt packet and other shit>make the spoon a bit shorter so that the whole MRE, when eaten, can be crushed down and rolled up with the spoon sitting horizontally in the bag, saving space when packing trash into a ruck>delete the taco filling menu, its literal diarrhea
>>65196609>>every main meal has a weird vaguely plastic aftertaste, maybe try to find a new preservative that gets rid oft thatThey spend an absolutely bonkers amount of money on MRE development actually, taking years and years to make them maximally resistant to both time and environment. Taste is something they've only gotten around to in recent years, cut em some slack https://www.war.gov/News/Feature-Stories/Story/Article/4366460/its-all-in-the-packaging-the-engineering-behind-mre-freshness/Agree about the zapple sauce though, that shit needs to be in every fuckin MRE
>>65196202Bills Brew is the fucking goat on its own, but I like to experiment.I get three or four together, dump them into the chocolate protein powder, add one whole packet of dried hot pepper flakes.Been trying to think up a name for it.It's a spicy meat-a-ball, let me tell you what. Really gets the blood pumping. >>65196205>>65196166I don't even think mid tier, that one is third from the bottom for me. Only two below it are plain pizza slice and the goulash meal (something about the way it smells and tastes turns my stomach).>>65196303My personal favorite as a whole meal is the maple sausage patty and hash browns one.Chili mac ain't bad by any means but I'd rather have 4 or 5 other menus over that one.
>>65196609>caffeine pills in each meal, nothing crazy but like 50-100mga good idea in theory but far too easy for people to overdose on. coffee at least stops retards from downing heart-stopping amounts of caffeine by requiring you to drink a fuckton of it. the average dumbfuck might just stash away enough of them to unintentionally overdose, or at very least get jumpy enough to the point they're useless in combat.
>>65196723how about this: each MRE comes with a caffeinated energy bar, but it tastes like sawdust and is really dense so that you feel like total shit if you try to eat more than like 2 in a short time period
>>65196057Pork loaf?
I ordered two K-rations and a C-ration reproduction while I was deployed and had it shipped to my parents house and they FUCKING LOST IT! THEY LOST MY SHIT! MY FUCKING SHIT! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
>>65196609How dare you Taco filling is my favorite.
>>65196057ultra condensed nutrition bars design to be as flavorless as possibleflavored paste tube to make it palatableelectrolyte mixcoffeecaffiene gum
>>65196065>lmao powdered b->it's realFuck me. And of course it's from fucking germany, invented apparently in a fucking monestary of all places.https://shop.klosterbrauerei.com/Bierpulver?srsltid=AfmBOortoE2z3-bnUr5QkiaeEsOpV7Iqs3C0w9vXb_vplIt7kNjev3vAAlright, the technology exsits, are we putting it in?
>>65196057gonna repost my idea again: I'd design an assault ration meal that delivers 1200 calories split 50% carbs, 25% protein and 25% fat, as follows:>two 60-gram meat bars (600cal)>one 120-gram vegetable granola bar (300cal)>one 60-gram chocolate bar (300cal)The meat bars should be made a little more tender and moist compared to jerky due to higher fat content. The granola and chocolate would also have some fats, but their main purpose is to provide fibre, carbs, and a sugar boost.Each 24-hour special assault ration would have two such meal sets; and one more normal MRE meal made up of eat from the bag whole food, a jerky snack bar and a pressed fruit snack bar, totalling maybe 3500 calories.This kind of ration would be perfect for the crucial first few days of an offensive when troops might not actually have time to eat or would often be manning their weapons and vehicles. We've all heard stories of soldiers surviving off snack packs and candy bars, or eating cold MREs because nobody has even to wait for the ration heater to warm up the MRE; under such circumstances, this would be a more nutritionally complete option.An approximation of this ration would be:>Assault ration x2Meat bars: 10x Slim JimsGranola bar: 1x Whole Earth & Sea Vegan Green barChocolate bar: 1x Snickers / Mars / Milkyway>Normal MRE meal x1Chili Mac MRE3x Slim Jims3x That's It fruit barsthe purpose of this meal is simply to provide something that can be eaten on the go with absolutely zero prep time.alternatively, the Assault ration can replace half the Slim Jims with an FSR Sandwich (300 cal).
Remove MRE heaters and only issue them for cold environment MREs. They're pointless and the meal tastes fine cold.
>>65196609>>65196693Maybe add another internal layer made out of something like a corn husk or seaweed wrap. It can soak up the plastic taste
>>65196609Just cut the spoon in half with your multi tool or c wire cutters>>65196784This is enemy subversion
>>65196106>paydayI prefer Mars / Milkyway>pepperoni slicesthey won't keep>>65196120>sewing kitwhy do you need one of those in every meal?>>65196267>Rations like that are for troops out on tour for months at a timewrong, even in WW2 rations were only to be eaten for less than a week straighttroops only ended up eating them for "months at a time" because of supply fuckups>>65196404they should be given proper field kitchen supplies then>>65196609>include more carb/electrolyte items that don't require the addition of wateragreed
>>65196057>sweet potato 'fries'/biscuit OR corn bread>pemmican (target 40g or more protein muscle maintenance) with a large amount of blue/black berries and a selection of herbs designed for full spectrum trace mineral coverage & immune support OR canned fish>low glycemic citric electrolyte drink mix, with stevia + enough xylitol to facilitate shitting (and boost good oral bacteria) + the major B vitamins for energy (methylated)>instant black coffee which needs the 'creme brulee' to turn milky>mystery desert rotation ('creme brulee', lemon bar, cinnamon apple pie)>2mg nicotine gum>generous antiseptic wet-napsVariety is overrated. Give them nutrition, enough calories AND protein not to lose muscle mass in a form factor that makes skipping meals less harsh, and a system that encourages trading.
>>65196136Governments need to stop being pussies and bring this back.
>>65196586>bartering with civiliansUse your gun for that
>>65196814>+ enough xylitol to facilitate shitting This is a really good idea. Put xylitol beverages and sweets in the ration, to prevent the notorious constipation issues.
We need preserved foods that can satisfy our craving for fresh vegetables and fruits.
>>65196776Just add vodka?
>>65197117Are you Russian?
>>65196057Replace all items with canned cheeseburgers.
>>65196609>>include more carb/electrolyte items that don't require the addition of water in more meals, like the Zapple sauce, good for rehydrating/recarbing on the move but unfortunately uncommon in all MRE menusThese aren't bad.
>>65197282>need water>here have electrolytesanon...
>>65197288Just include some dehydrated water.
>>65197288Its what those in the field crave
>>65197288Worked for me. Yeah, still need water but it's got what plants crave.
>>65197159>prevent the notorious constipation issues.The notorious constipation issues are caused by dehydration.If you're drinking enough water, it's not a problem at all, I've burned through three complete A+B sets the past 6 months and didn't have constipation once. The trick is to drink a gallon of water a day, which you should really already be doing as it is.If you actually put laxatives in the meals now, all it would do is induce unreliably periodic bouts of gruesome bowel movements, and realistically FURTHER dehydrate people when they need it most.I still have two full A+B sets left that I'll get to at some point, but the incredible salt content pushed my blood pressure up high enough that it's a little concerning, so I'm taking a break. :/
>>65196774Taco filling (basically beanless chili) is one of the best mains IF you can get it really hot (i.e. you have the time and means to boil it instead of using the FRH). Of all the good mains it probably suffers the most from being served lukewarn.>>65196696>maple sausage pattyI'm a big fan of that one too because--like chili mac--it's one of the few "every component is tasty" MREs. Of course, that can be difficult to judge since the same MRE's sides can vary greatly from year to year or even day to day depending on what the factory happens to be short on (I've mentioned before a cursed crate I got where all the cheese spreads were replaced with peanut butter).
>>65196057>1g loose marijuana flower>1g loose tobacco>5 mini rolling papers and a single cone>50 mL vial of everclear with 10 mL markings>hard tack>beef jerky>dehydrated lemonWham bam shit in a can
>>65197254Rational
>>65197576>a cursed crate I got where all the cheese spreads were replaced with peanut butterGood fucking God that's just about the most terrible MRE crime I've ever heard perpetrated.I'm going over the meals that I know have cheese in them and imagining getting it replaced with PB, it makes me angry just thinking about it.
>>65196404>In ukraineanon do you know how poor ukraine is?
>>65196267>we don't need shelf stable food, because everthing can be delivered just in timeThat's not even true for the civilian economy you absolute retard.
you want to have a mix that covers nutrition, snacking, morale>electrolyte drink oowder>caffeine pills 2x100mg>nicotine gum>protein drink>instant coffee with sugar and creamer>crackers with PB or cheese spread>skittles or m&m’s>dehydrated main dish that doesn’t rely on an FRH - it could be rehydrated via cold soak or rehydrated quickly with boiling water. Tho would allow the user to dial in the right texture and not just have a pile of slop in a bag.
>>65196696It's weird to me that the chili mac is so highly praised. It's not bad, but the maple patty does blow it out of the water. I'd like to see more of the hot sauce powder all around, it makes the bland items more palatable. .
>>65196057>The original was canned meat, biscuits, coffee, chocolate and cigarettes for about 1000 kcal.Swap the canned meat out for smoked sausage, the coffee out for some kinda fruity drink mix, and the smokes for some multivitamins and you might have something.
>>65198005They should honestly just put a pack of the hot sauce powder in every meal. It's gotta be what, 2 cents to include per MRE? Fucking just put it in there, let the grunts figure out whether they want to put it in the main or not. I've heard that in the next round of MRE manufacturing, the maple patty meal is getting the axe, and it makes me so angry, they could just toss a coin on which pizza slice gets cut and it would be no problem.Whatever they replace it with (I've heard some kind of east Asian meal or something?) better be fucking worth it.
>>65198959>the maple patty meal is getting the axe>some kind of east Asian mealhad to cut it, MRE's not diverse enough>They should honestly just put a pack of the hot sauce powder in every mealthey really should
>>65196057Same but with 2 packs of cigarettes.
>https://www.army.mil/article/288659/what_to_expect_in_the_next_iteration_of_mres>in MRE 46, they plan to replace the beef taco filling, pork sausage patty and jalapeno pepper jack beef patty — all of which were not rated high among surveyed service members — with a Cuban-style beef picadillo with vegetables, buffalo-style chicken, and a Thai-style red curry with chicken and rice"with vegetables" and "rice" are red flags for meI've never had any instant rice that tastes any good, or any vegetables that aren't token freeze-dried little bits>More protein-filled snacks will round out the MREs, including new s'mores recovery bars and freeze-dried chocolate peanut butter bitesmeh>caffeine is one of the least consumed items in the MRE," Edwards said. "Previous generations were big coffee drinkers, but the newer generation of Soldiers are not>As replacements, researchers looked to develop new beverage options, as well as energy chews, energy gels, caffeinated gum and even caffeinated jelly beansno doubt army coffee is not single-origin enough for Gen Z warfightersshitty taste profile and all that>they have to still be edible after spending six months in 100 degrees Fahrenheit and three years at 80 degrees Fahrenheitwhat astounds me is that other nations' combat rations AREN'T required to withstand this>she said it's been a challenge to find snacks — aside from nuts — that provide 10 grams or more of protein. Many of them have a chemical reaction over time that gives them an unappetizing appearance. She used beef jerky as an example> it has a very short commercial shelf life," Edwards said. "What happens to jerky over time is it gets dark in color and becomes unappealing. So, we had a challenge of finding jerkies that meet our shelf-life requirements.TIL>One service request was to include more plant-based itemsnotice how it is carefully phrased to avoid saying "the troops wanted it", instead of some vegan DEI pen pusher from California oblast
>>65196065>>65196776They should make a special holiday pack with vinogel and beer powder, sell it through the PX or something.
>>65198959>>65198967Fuck me they're cutting three decent ones: >beef taco filling>pork sausage patty>jalapeno beef patty What they're saying new menus will be is:>Cuban-style beef picadillo>buffalo-style chicken>Thai-style red curry with chicken and rice.Also, and this is turbo fucked: no more coffee. They're instead going with caffeinated jelly beans and gum. Fucking grim IMO.
>>65198992>I've never had any instant rice that tastes any good Texture is utterly fucked too, all MRE rice inevitably turns into gloop. Not a problem if it's supposed to be risotto, big problem if it's supposed to be anything else. >shitty taste profile and all that Zoomer soldiers are used to covfefe coming with 3 different toppings. >what astounds me is that other nations' combat rations AREN'T required to withstand this Some nations tend to have specialized rations for different terrain (polar ration, tropical ration etc.). >instead of some vegan DEI pen pusher from California oblast I'm pretty sure it wasn't DEI, but rather penny-pinching (vegshit, especially s0j, is cheaper than actual meat), mixed with a vigorous dose of agricorp welfare.
>>65196696>hating on goulash, the best menu
>>65196057>white rice w some flavor packets (big portion)>some spicy chicken or beef variant, well flavored>vegetable portion, maybe something compact enough like carrots or something>replace the overbloated biscuits/chocolate stuff with extra meat or veg>for more cals include some chips or something maybe poptart-like>electrolytes and water>sugary drink of some sortYes I realize I probably described 90% of modern Asian/European rations.
>>65199031>the best menuThis man's olfactory sense is broken.I've never smelled and tasted anything that I could immediately identify as the epitome of "Sopakco" until I cracked open that main.I have to tilt my head back, squeeze my nose shut, and just hork it down, it's gruesome.
>>65196057Mashed potatoesThat's itThe entire ration is just dehydrated mashed potatoesFun fact, milk+potatoes provides every major nutrient the human body needs to survive, so theoretically a man could live indefinitely off nothing but mashed potatoesEat your fucking potatoes, potato boy. Fuck you.
>>65198995Apparently the German powdered beer is non-alcoholic. I don't think you want that.
>>65196723A cup of coffee has 60-80mg of caff.You can take 600 a day for years if you drink tons of water and stay active. 300 a day is safe perpetually.The fuck are you scared about
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>>65196781>2400 calories for a 24hr assault pack. Double that, and you have a decent base load out that could be stretched to two days if circumstances dictated.
>>65199499>two such meal sets; and one more normal MRE meal made up of eat from the bag whole food, a jerky snack bar and a pressed fruit snack bar, totalling maybe 3500 caloriesalso, am I the only one who's ever wanted to just eat bars and go to sleep?
>>65199008I thought they were making America great againSomeone send this info to the president so he can unfuck the MRE situation
>>65199205>Apparently the German powdered beer is non-alcoholic. Aww... ;_;
>>65196057Lard. Lots and lots of lard. Shelf stable and extremely high calorie count per ounce. That's your base.Then you mix in a bit of whey protein and what amounts to crushed up multivitamins and add corn starch until the texture is no longer vomit inducing. Why corn startch? A, gluten free and B, we have just SO MUCH CORN. Anyway, a pound of lard is about 4000 calories and you typically need about 2000 just to live. I figure all the additives will drop the meal down to 3000 cal which should be enough for a man in combat. >Sounds miserableYou asked for maximum performance, not maximum morale.
>>65198992>>65199009Honestly I think coffee is just a woman drink for gen Z. I don’t know any men my age or younger who drink coffee except the Cubans who drink exclusively Cuban coffee and turn their nose up at American style coffee and Central Americans on construction sites. White dudes certainly don’t drink it and I don’t think I’ve met any black guys that do. That probably changes based on where you live though.
>>65199579>That probably changes based on where you live thoughShocking
>>65199579>White dudes certainly don’t drink itwhere the hell do you live lmaomy German ex-boss even told me a story of company-wide coffee poisoning>coffee is just a woman drink for gen Zironically, it used to be considered a woman drink by boomers also, especially before Starbucks, carrying the connotation of gossiping women having their kaffeeklatsch and coffee-and-cakealternatively, it was associated with quitting alcohol or sobering upwhen I was very young, in my house, only my grandmother drank coffeeeven the men disdained it because "MEN don't need no liquid stimulants other than alcohol! besides, tea is more classy and traditional!"funny to think I've seen the rise of Starbucks, then specialty coffee, and now what seems to be the beginnings of the fall
>>65199579>>65199579It's more common in colder regions where ANY warm drink is a good drink and urbanized regions where circadian rhythms are shat on.
>>65196057>>65196057Why not do what the indians do. Just make normal food that has a good self life like for weeks not months, just cook them and hand them out? No need for something that not healthy.
>>65199609>Why not do what the indians do.>steal military rations and sell them off-base
>>65196057What about something like a billion cube or portable soup nake a candy bar like shaped block that looks like a snickers bar. Put everything thats needed in it. Make it extremely calorie dense. One bar thr size of your thumb would have enough calories to last the whole day or week. You shave it down add it to some water and drink it like soup or just cut a little bit if it and eat it in it's own.we could make different flavours of it. Also make different variants. For special force make it so it is even more calorie dense for normal workers and civilians make it have lower calories etc.
>>65196130I went camping with scouts food never improved moral or anything. Does food improve moral on grown men? The hot food you got wasnt even that good. I use to day dream having burgers from mcdonalds or something else. Most of the time the food was crap so food could just be seen as not that important unless it's something really nice like burgers or pizzas
>>65199622>grown menHow old do you think the average private is?it's not called "the infantry" for nothing
>>65199614Doesnt the us military do the same. Theres so many stories of how when mres and other equipment come in the military has to destroy them so the quarter masters go in an sell the stuff. Curroption is everywhere wait till usa falls it's goingto be hell especially with diversity in effect people will be supporting there friends only
>>65199632>Doesnt the us military do the sameNot nearly as much.>Theres so many stories"Stories" is right.>wait till usa fallsTwo more weeks, eh
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>>65196398It is old reliable, hot or cold.Speaking of hot I used to love the chicken and pesto pasta heated with the seasoning mix, but it was downright near inedible cold, and the smell cold was gag worthy it was definitely a must heat. They got rid of it due to how terrible it was cold
>>65196586Read survival manuals of the time. Soldiers could eat the cigarettes sd the nicotine knocked out parasites in water.
>>65196723They used to have shock-o-lots - chocolate covered coffee beans I think the whole bag was around 30-50mgThey can do a zapple gel that's caffienated, or even better do a electrolyte + caffiene tablet like a Nuun sport
>>65196784There were and are several mains that taste like shit cold. Chicken Pesto got removed because it was absolutely terrible cold
>>65198005It's because Chili Mac has been old reliable decent all around since the goddamned brown MRE bag 80's
>>65196793>eventually get shot by an enemy sniper while distracted cutting your spoon
>>65197212There is alcohol powder so you could theoretically make it alcoholic.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_powder
>>65199732Alcohol is already a liquid at STP. Makes as much sense to powder alcohol as it does water.
>>65199732https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vPxt7qN24
>>65199745>he doesn't know
For /k/ ration there should be beef jerky, a tiny single shot .22 and a brick of 500 rounds for plinking
>>65199579You're a fucking idiot.>>65199599You're twice or even three times the idiot he is.
>>65199850You don't impress me, phoneposter.
>>65199574>here's your pound of lard for the day, private
>>65199609>Why not do what the indians doThe question answers itself.
>>65199881Ok, how about this.>Just make normal food that has a good self life like for weeks not months, just cook them and hand them out? No need for something that not healthy.
>>65199882The US has an expeditionary military that depends on godly logistics and you think we should throw a monkey wrench into that for the sake of providing "healthier" meals when we have something now with five year shelf life and scientifically adequate nutrition? That's as stupid as counting on Private Fuckwitjeet to consistently make something that will keep that long under harsh conditions.
>>65199882Because Indians apparently do it.
>>65199882They already do, and have always done so.As with logistics, it's the last mile of emergency rations, the "what do we send when we can't send a field kitchen", "what do we stockpile when we need it to last for months if not years", that they are concerned with.
>>65199878We'd tell you to enjoy but we know that's not possible.
