Post gear, discuss gear.The Classics editionOld: >>65277561
>>65298849First for Black Diamond Revolt. Come into the light.
/gq/ Infographic Emporium:https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Legacy Infographic Reserve: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF>Last time on /gq/, A2 got jerked off by three salty men and unknowingly endorsed the Adept Emperor. I answered anon's questions about PE plates, Gilliam did shady shit, and BASED Botach Surplus is selling Point Blank Level IVs for $100 a plate.>QUICK ARMOR GUIDE 2.17CODE: * = active NIJ-cert, ^ = NEEDS SOFT ARMOR, DND = do not drop, ** = military.>Special Rifle Threat (M855A1, no M80 <44mm BFD):Budget: Hesco L211Mid-Range: Hesco M210High-End: Hesco U210 / U211, LSAPI**, or Tencate CR-6450SA.>CONUS Minimum (M80, M855, M193):Budget: Hesco 3611C, SAPI**^, or Gilliam 6001Mid-Range: Hesco 3612* or 3810*High-End: Hesco 3811* or 3811LV^DNDElite: Used Cercom CER-EMH**^>CONUS Medium (M80 + M855A1 or BZ API):Budget: Protech 2120-5Mid-Range: Hesco 3411* or LTC 19513High-End: LTC 28780**Elite: VelSys PBZSA** or Hesco SC3812 or Protech DT306C-HWElite-Plus: Used Ceradyne MH3 CQB**^DND (10x M995)>CONUS Optimal (M855A1 + M80A1):Budget: Highcom 3S9 (SAPI-cut)Mid-Range: Used LTC 28550** / 28590** or Highcom 3S9M* (SAPI-cut!)High-End: Used LTC 28595**Elite: Used LTC 28570** or VelSys TSA**Elite-Plus: Tyr XHA4/S6/T(DND) or GEN 6 LTC TSA**>Level IV / CONUS High (.30-06 M2AP):/pfg/: Used Protech 2014G (last ditch option)Budget: Gilliam 1023, Protech 2014MC, or Hesco 4403* (bare minimum)Mid-Range: Hesco 4601* or ESAPI**^ (REV. G-J)High-End: Hesco 4800(DND), 4800LV^DND, or Protech 9812-R1(DND)Elite: Tencate CXP-800 SA or Ceradyne SOF ESAPI MK.II**^DND or Adept EmperorElite-Plus: Ceradyne SAEC**DND(??)>Level IV+ / CONUS Extreme (Various)Budget: Protech 2230 (M2AP at +600ft/s) or Gilliam 8002 (.300 Winmag Swiss P AP)Mid-Range: Adept Colossus (7.62x51 Swiss P AP) or REV. C XSAPI**^ (M993)High-End: Rev. D XSAPI**^ (M993+)Elite: ECSAPI** (M993)Elite-Plus: Ceradyne 96034** (7.62x51 Swiss P)
>>65298865Black Diamond IMO are overpriced and under deliver. I've seen my friend's Storm Spot or w.e just randomly start acting up and giving firmware looking issues. I recently picked up this 16340 powere Flextail. IP67 water proof. Cheap as shit, light and small. My biggest complaint is the red can't be set as dim as I would like. Retard chink companies. The fact that it is 16340 powered is sick IMO. These days headlamps ought to be judged primarily not by their output as all seem to do well, but by things like size, weight, waterproofing, reliability, battery life, user interface and controls, charging/battery configuration etc. A nice truly low intensity red is hard to find IME except on dedicated tactical lights. I REALLY like my Streamlight Sidewinder Stalk on my helmet. I had a princetontec for YEARS. Glad to be rid of that shit. Great example of a bloated company that got lazy after getting government contracts. Ironically enough even now Princetontec headlamps are quite far behind in terms of output.
help me out please guys.i am looking for a pair of lightweight, quiet, stretchy black pants ideally with cargo pockets. any recs appreciated. thanks
>>65298907>overpriced and under deliverThe LED tech evolves so quickly, of course there are better units than one from 2014. What I found with the Revolt is the color temp isn't great, but having it is better than a handheld. Honestly, a kids light is great because they are simple to operate without thinking press numbers/modes. Rechargable is required feature for me, but a fully charged 16340 in your pocket would be even better for weekend+ run time.
>>65298924>any recs appreciated. thanksWhat you really want (and don't know it) is an LED lantern.
>>65298907>I REALLY like my Streamlight Sidewinder StalkNice, had this in my cart for a long time now and balked at the price.
In case anyone is wondering the Steripen Adventurer opti which is only specified as working with a pair of CR123s does indeed work on rechargeable higher voltage (3.6-4.2V vs 3.0-3.2V) 16340 batteries. I treated 14L of water in 1L batches using a sort of SOCOM SURGE cycle without issue. Bump for curious what other devices work on dual fuel 16340 and CR123>>65298939That is form 2014? Yeesh that needs replacing IMO. There are some solid modern headlamp options. I like my Nightcore NU25 a lot. Very small, very minimal, good UI, solid output. I wish it were fully IP67 or comparable waterproof, like most non-tactical lights the red mode doesn't get dim enough, and it would be sweet if it were 16340 or similar quick swapable battery. >>65298948Yeah it is a bit pricey admittedly but it can't be beat IMO and offers the best combination of features and capabilities. I do NVG 2 gun shoots sometimes plus just general NVG training and larping and I find that it works excellent. The flexible stalk allows for aiming for umbrella lighting, direct FOV, or downward depending. Has IR mode, white, and color (mine is set to red mode) with good brightness controls on ALL modes in addition to a strobe and a lockout. It is advertised as dual fuel AA or CR123 which means it likely has some voltage regulation flexibility so it might work with 16340s as well, I need to try that. and I'll report back. I bought mine for close to $140 on Amazone prime, bit less here:https://brightguy.com/product/streamlight-sidewinder-stalk-helmet-light/Well worth the price IMO, slides right into the ARC rail on my helmet.
>>65298849Looking for pants in chocalate chip. I like how these have a bunch of whores posing and every so often there will be some fatass showing off his guns.
>>65299076Looks like the employee roster at a rent a center.
Safelife is getting fucking dogpiled in the other thread. Why do people buy that shit, other than shilling?
>>65299464There are A LOT of stupid people who do literally zero product research. > W-wow, I can buy a vest? I don't need a loicense?> It says here that this is IIIA+, and regular police armor is IIIA. Holy shit. > It even comes in red and comes with low-cost LEVEL VI armor plates as an add on!!!!!
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>>65299477>LEVEL VIDamn man I didn't know the Russians made NIJ 0101.07, shit!>There are A LOT of stupid people who do literally zero product research.Of course. Take a look at Gilliam's ebay page. Hundreds of people have bought nothing but his cheat ringed OA+ 9x11 coverage on a 10x12 desperado III+ plates. Those bottom barrel shits are keeping the rest of his operation afloat.>It says here that this is IIIA+, and regular police armor is IIIA. Holy shit.I like how some Level II soft armor from Highcum challenges it on special threats. Sadly these same people are the same ones subsidizing Level IV+ protection which the market actively needs.
>>65298849Army surplus holy grail of a lifetime. Found an Avon Protection FM53 at the local surp for $170.
>>65299217>capesStolen Valor.
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>>65299640Chad.>>65299647Esoteric.>>65299464The shill has arrived there.Wow, somehow a pseudo-/bag/ thread is outpacing /gq/ wtf.
Well, update on the weird pricing situation from Gilliam. They are discontinuing most of the lineup and will be optimizing towards 1-2 models for each protection category. It appears $150/plate IS the new price for the 1635 going forward, which is hilariously cheap for an Alumina-PE multi-hit Level IV / RF3 but that's what the power of China gets you. Actually has Militech on the ropes with that one.Test reports are good but the BFD is high at 39mm, so not a lot of safety margin. For reference the Hesco 4403 does about 30mm per Buff's recently-released test, and that's after getting penetrated twice by out-of-spec M2AP and post-drop.The 8002 is also going to be discontinued. If anyone wants above-XSAPI protection and doesn't mind the weight, I would shoot them an offer now. It's 8.3lb and 1.2" but stops tungsten-core .300 Winmag Swiss P AP and other very serious business. M995 / M993 as well. $628/set but they are entertaining offers. I'd reckon $450-500 is in the ballpark. I'm surprised that one didn't sell, honestly. Makes me wonder how many Colossi Adept is actually moving if the market can't even support a poorfag turbo-XSAPI.
>>65299913>They are discontinuing most of the lineup and will be optimizing towards 1-2 models for each protection category.Like that he's consolidating his lineup and getting rid of that cheat ringed plate.>I'm surprised the 8002 didn't sell moreIt weighs 8lbs and is single curve. Not exactly ideal, even if it does stop extremely rare threats like .300wm swiss p. Also gill isn't the best at advertising.
>>65301041>Like that he's consolidating his lineupInteresting that the monkey model Archon (9969) is discontinued. Did Ganor cut him off on the SiC-TiB2 once he realized the 9969 was going to steal Archon sales?>getting rid of that cheat ringed plate.Trying to compete with especially cheapo chinesium is like trying to argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Gilliam cannot beat 996 sweatshop labor.>It weighs 8lbs and is single curveNot to mention it's a weird 10.3x12.3 SAPI cut and it's 1.2" thick, so I would have concerns about fitting platebags.>gill isn't the best at advertisingNot sending everything he has to Buffman will go down as his greatest blunder. I guarantee the 1635 would sell like hotcakes at $300/set if he did that and it did well.
What’s the closest thing to a lc2/m1956 pistol belt? I’m looking for something that just goes over clothes/jacket. Not needing a padding war belt. Not needing suspenders. Don’t want to deal with inner belt. I’m almost to the point of attempting a buckle change on an lc2.
Happy 250th birthday America! Stay safe, hotdog eaters!
>>65301568>and nobody buy steel plates, america!I found the murder basement Level IV AR500 steel plate vs .50 BMG video.https://www.fac.ebook.com/TylerAR500Armor/videos/677504813181837/(take the period in facebook out)
>>65299579I’m using my free Millenium, but always keep an eye out for those.
Literally, best kit ever.
>>6530193790% off MSRP from Avon or their distros, found sitting on the bottom shelf at the local surp.
>post gearWDHMBT? This thread devolved into a handful of anons autistically obsessing over fucking armor. Gear queer is dead as a doornail. >Inb4 a predictably autistic response from one of the armorfags
>>65302493Be the change you want to see
>>65302493Here my gear
>>65302493>>Inb4 a predictably autistic response from one of the armorfagsI am soo close to getting my tactical helmet! They just denied my card for no reason.
>>65302493>It's a national holiday>everyone is out celebrating with frens and family>except for anon>he's bitching and moaning that a slow thread on a slow board is extra slow on a national holiday, reminiscing about how a 4chan thread was better like ten years ago.Really depressing shit dude.
>>65302493Yeah, you right.
>>65302540Somebody needs to pick up the overnight shift at 7-Eleven.
>half the price of a slickster>does the same thingsomeone tell me why this isn't based poorfag low-vis carrier
>>65302582Yeah,I don't know what thier problem is. Even though it's not in my name, not my real name anyway, it works more than half the time. They are just being wierd. I'll try a different card after I go th Planet Fitness next week, if I get lucky.
>>65302620Is it possible you're broke, cuh?
>>65302603>rated for plates up to 5lb and 3/4" thick.Basically locks you into running SRTs unless you got that PBZSA money.
>>65302643If you got that, you ain't wearing Condor
>>65302660Or maybe it's a psychological trick saar. Wearing a cheap condor carrier will make people think you're a dalit so they ignore you but in reality your plates are brahmin.
Gonna give my dude Jake at Adept a ring ring and ask for a low-vis version of the Adept Emperor that still stops M2AP but loses the drop protection so it weighs 4.4lb.It'll be $3,500 for a pair of plates.Then I'm gonna put em in a fifty dollar carrier, trip on the sidewalk, and ruin my front plate instantly./gq/ lyfe.
>>65299913>>65301060What's the closest to the 1635 within +$50 per plate out of other manufacturers?I was looking into the 1635s and the newer pricing is quite appealing.Also I wish more companies made Finnish M05 pattern carriers. Love that scheme.
>>653027531. Militech RF3 Alumina, but Militech still reams you on shipping.2. LAPG L4CA is a little over your budget but tests really well with Buffman. Single curve however.3. Hesco 4403 on sale can sometimes get into the mid-300s per set but is much heavier and has a safety margin issue.4. Policesurp Protech 2230s can be had for same price as the 1635s, are a pound heavier each, but have a huge safety margin advantage.The fundamental issue with the 1635 is that it runs high on BFD at about 39mm and it's very light for an Alumina-PE Level IV. I don't think it has solid safety margin and the multi-hit is maybe not the best. No free lunch rule applies.
>>65302776That BFD is quite high but doesn't soft armor and the carrier material supposed to absorb some of that?Quite a tight margin within that price range, seems one would have to go up to +$100 per plate to get better BFD performance and multicurve.How bad are Militech's shipping costs? I am in CONUS.
>>65302872>but doesn't soft armor and the carrier material supposed to absorb some of that?The plate is intended to be worn standalone. You can run soft behind it and that'll beef it up, but at a major weight / thickness / bulk penalty.The carrier won't do a huge amount there unless it's padded and/or has CAPs.>Quite a tight margin within that price rangeYeah, the problem is that you traditionally need $400/set for basic IVs and these options are all trying to lowball that. The Hesco 4601 is in most respects, aside from being thicker, an upgrade from the 1635 but runs $900/set from guys like Sierra. It's NIJ cert however so it has been extensively and impartially tested.Militech's RF3 Black undercuts that and by all accounts is still solid. I would take 4601s over it purely because I don't trust Militech not to send ringers to youtubers.>How bad are Militech's shipping costs?Last I checked they're still throwing on $50 for prepaid import fees, not counting regular shipping so ballpark $75-80 since it's coming in from China. Gilliam makes the plates in North Carolina using two boomers and a zoomer labor and a mix of mostly Chinese / Italian materials, so he can undercut Militech since he has basically no staffing costs.He did just move into a warehouse from the garage so I dunno what his future plan is gonna be. If he keeps working with Adept he may have a 4.5lb turbo-$$$ IV in the pipeline.
HAPPY 4TH OF JULY FUCKERS, THE NIJ 0101.07 COMPLIANT PRODUCT LIST IS LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!!!https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/equipment-and-technology/body-armor/ballistic-resistant-armor#0-0
>>65302926Did they wait until the 4th on purpose or coincidence?
>>65302627Nah, I'll find a card in the Planet Fitness locker room. I'll be rich. Imma winner, I have tiger blood!
>>65302672>/gq/ lyfe.Legit.
>>65303226Pretty sure on purpose, because the CPL is barebones (40 listed models) and they were going to wait until it had more options.The time has come. Adept, Gilliam, RMA, Combat Systems, Turtle, Stealth. Every armor company that has dodged NIJ certification now has no excuse. Tick tock! >>65303233You need to buy boron carbide plates from Turkish outfit KIM, which somehow certified a B4C Level IV before Hesco did? Now we need a Turkish armor infographic. First shotguns... now plates.
Behold, the ENTIRE NIJ 0101.07 CPL. I see a considerable portion of this is from MIGUEL CABALLERO S.A.S, doing business as MC INTERNATIONAL and C.I.A. MIGUEL CABALLERO S.A.S.Most of it is the same five models repeated with different companies. I've never even heard of SAFE BACK HOME LLC and Readynow Tactical.This is UNEQUAL.
>>65304230How much do I have to PAY to get on this list and to WHOM?I am a LOBBYIST, if that matters.
>>65304238It's EASY.1. Start an armor company selling $50 pieces of shit metal, like AR500!2. Tell the NIJ you're selling all these models from Hesco, RMA, and Tencate which you're not even selling!3. You're on the CPL with a fat stack and people think your steel shitplates are NIJ certified because they don't know model numbers! Muahahahaha!You don't even have to LOBBY.
MIGUEL CABALLERO S.A.S, doing business as MC INTERNATIONAL and C.I.A MIGUEL CABALLERO S.A.S also has flexible MIGUEL CABALLERO S.A.S rifle plates. Columbian Dragonskin? Seems so!
>tfw AR500's best plate was $800/set, 4.7lb, steel+PE, and only rated for M193 + M855 + M80, was nominally sized at 9.5x12, and had bottom corner cutouts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ituUMgiU2L0Five bucks say the Chinese could replicate this for $150/plate and it would actually have a purpose.
>>65304695They discontinued that thing a long time ago
>>65304695Hell, I can take some target steel and paint in truck bed liner for $80.
>>65302672If you haven't had to rebuy various pieces of gear because you broke it you aren't using your gear often or hard enough. One must imagine Diogenes happy.
>>65304709>They discontinued that thing a long time ago>long time>three years>tfw AMI TAC3S from 2009 is ancient lore nowBecause it sucked man. A pair of Hesco 3611Cs at the time was a hundred bucks more and over a pound lighter if you equalized sizing. 3611Cs are still dirt cheap if you get some of the remaining surplus so it's no comparison at the moment. The AR500 A3 sold very poorly despite Buff running cover for it. Nobody with $800 to blow on plates is gunning for AR500. I think the new steel-titanium "A4" is a similar miscalculation. Rumor has it AR500's owner sold to their CEO and they're now way over-leveraged, had to downsize their facility, and are pissing money, not to mention being run by a church group to save on staffing. It's possible they might go tits up in a few years.If this thing were $300/set then you could easily make the case for it since it's immune to drops and has much better shot spacing tolerance than a ceramic, but you're not getting there without making it Chinese.There was speculation the A3 actually DID use Chinese steel, but the proof seems weak.>>65304712The benefit of this plate is that it used a HDPE layer to stop M193 going too fast for the steel, and the steel layer was thin enough to let stuff penetrate to get caught in the PE, so it saved weight and also mostly dealt with the spall issue akin to the AMI TAC3S which it tried to copycat. There's no free lunch with this design. Buff was able to get M80 to pen somewhat over NIJ velocity, so it's down big time on safety margin.
>>65304721Joke's on you, I bought a pair of AR500 brand trauma pads and will roll them in front of the $3,500 plates, thereby making them DROP-PROTECTED.
>>65304759Yeah I'm just shitposting I'd be fucking livid if I ruined 3500 bucks at once. Cored my skis a couple years ago that was 700 bucks.
>>65304770>Cored my skis a couple years ago that was 700 bucksDamn that fucking sucks. I've recently had a bad string of the post office fucking up speakers I bought online. Somehow completely wrecked a subwoofer through a very well padded box. Getting my money back but damn that was $350 tied up.>Yeah I'm just shitposting I'd be fucking livid if I ruined 3500 bucks at onceI'll do you one better. A couple months ago, a dude on ebay bought a pair of Ceradyne SAEC plates from another dude on ebay for $5,000. Based on the specs, they're complete do-not-drop. Would be terrible if the postal service had a bad day with these, especially since there's no way in hell you're getting replacements.They sorta meet basic early ESAPI requirements (1x M2AP @ 2,850ft/s +-30) but are standalone, definitely not drop-proofed, only about four pounds, and are thin enough to be concealable hence their name. Stand Alone Enhanced Concealable.
>>65304256Just checked, this is RF2, 18lb for the whole vest + front and back panels, and like $3,700. Da fuck?Great coverage but this is basically just less sucky Safelife FRAS which runs more than Hesco 4800s.Da cartels in Columbia must not be fuckin around homes.
>>65303233Stay on that grind bro.
>>65305071Recalled Hesco 4600s from Botach SIGMA grindset
Guess what people. RMA is pulling shit AGAIN. They stealth-edited the weights on the new 1165 and 1155, verified using our secret weapon - the wayback machine!The 1165 GEN2 was advertised as 5.5lb not-10x12 and 6.3lb SAPI M as of April 2026. The test reports still reflect this. It is now advertised at 5.3lb not-10x12 and 6.1lb SAPI M.COMPARE:https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/lightweight-level-4-plates-model-1165https://web.archive.org/web/20260417155341/https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/lightweight-level-4-plates-model-1165/And for the 1155, 6.6lb for the not-10x12 and 7.4lb for the SAPI M. The test reports still reflect the old weights, which are 6.8lb for the not-10x12 and 7.7lb for the SAPI M as of February 2026. Test report shows a 7.78lb plate, SAPI M.COMPARE:https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/level-iv-body-armor-plate-model-1155/https://web.archive.org/web/20260226203030/https://rmadefense.com/store/body-armor/level-iv-body-armor/level-iv-body-armor-plate-model-1155/>okay anon but why does this matter?They are now advertising and selling plates that are substantially lighter than those shown in the test reports, which raises major safety concerns because they're either now even more nominally sized (and therefore undersized) or are now even more underbuilt.
>>65305129Why do they keep doing this? They can't help themselves? Griftmaxxing in the real world with lifesaving equipment?
>>65305135Something something they might lose the farm over the Buffalo shooting lawsuit and need a war chest for their lawyers?>They can't help themselves?They do lie their asses off and are, IMO, incredibly two faced as a company, and this predates the Buffalo thing as seen with "the polyethylene is actually fiberglass!" for the 1155s, and the undisclosed cheat rings on the 1189 / 1199 that they later tried to gaslight. Needing to pay for lawyers isn't helping nowadays and they used to be more honorable around 2021-2022, but the 1192s sent to Buff being 10oz heavier than advertised thing was ridiculous.I mean look at the pic rel in >>65305129. They criticize nominal sizing and bottom corner cuts one year because Botach and Highcom are using those tricks to cheat on weight, and then the next year they do the same thing!>Griftmaxxing in the real world with lifesaving equipment?It is statistically unlikely an 1155 or 1165 will ever be shot in a defensive situation by M2AP at NIJ spec, so the grift will probably never result in a suit. Is your house getting invaded by a boomer with a .300 winmag?
>>65305158>>65299217>>65299640>We're going in deep and going in hard.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7P2BE0TWeU
Radtel's got a new gangster radio, the RT-1000 PRO. It's UHF, VHF, wide band Rx from 100kHz to 600MHz, and also does Tx/Rx on 27MHz and 108-136MHz Air Band.Hasn't hit Aliex yet but they want almost $200 for it. I'll probably buy an RT-880 instead since I have no need to talk to planes.
>>65305273Is that an FAL-10?
>>65305331>RT-1000They keep going and someday they will be all grown up https://www.canyonaeroconnect.com/product/rt5000/
>>65305357>Naw son, it's a FAL-8 chambered in .300 Bootstrap Magnum, a real man's caliber. Pick it up. Wait, you can't, cuz you're a little sissy boi. Us grown ups can now "beat" Level IV plates with pissin hawt reloads on a semi fully automatic basis. Fuck your Hescos sonny. Might as well not be wearing anything even if it don't pen it's gonna knock the wind outta yer sails ya hear? These zoomer nit-wiiits thinking they can just stand there like rambo. boolschitt.>yer plates are expired sonny. Mah ar500 never expires.>*coughs on tobacco chew*>Soon as the true patriots using "economical labor" at BCA develop a drum mahg it's over for those youngins thinking they're gravy sealz. Them antifas buyin' single strike highcum 4sus4s from that milf ain't gonna make it if they here try n' break into this farm haws. If that "boogaroo" or whatever them kids are talking about ever happens, me and my boys are gonna set up in the top floor of the haws and slot them fuckers. My son cleatus was a marine but got kicked out and he took a "Ray-thee-hon" w1000-9 thingamabanger that lets you see like the predator in that Stallone movie that gets mah dick hard.>*sips* >ahhhh
>>65305360Yeah I've lost track of their model numbers. Apparently the RT-950 is a downgrade from the RT-880 but the premium model is the RT-1000?Yeah fuck this I'm just getting an Ailunce.
>>65305273I did some quick math based on the 97gr SIG 5.56 AP in pic related, since that's the current "primo" penetrator. If scaled to 7.62x51mm, it is 205gr. Adapted to .300winmag using DM151 / DM131 as a reference point you get 270gr.Hypothetically, future 85k PSI .300 winmag rifles would be capable of cracking XSAPIs out to maybe ~350 yards with that kind of sectional density and penetrator.
>>65305457>don't be seen>don't be shot>don't ask>don't tellModern warfare has so many rules.
>>65305591Oh right I forgot we had a plate philosopher AND armor autists. Hmm... I will interpret this to see if it will be in the new NIJ 0101.08 standards to be released in seventeen years. Rumor has it they will replace M2AP with M993.
Guys should I buy a pair of Cerwin Vegas or a case of M855?
>>653053818/10.
>>65305800Thx. I noticed Buffman FUCKED some plates with a BC-8 and I was... inspired.I want one. My Savage just doesn't have the same... spark.
>>65305727Someone probably asked the same question on rec.guns thirty years ago. What model?
>>65305129>7.4lb for the SAPI M RMA 1155Half a pound lighter than the Hesco 4403 which already shits out against M2AP barely above spec, and they use similar materials.
>>65305727855>>65305331>Spectrum analyzer>100khz-600mhzWow its useless thanks radtel>>65302603Atleast a chinese slickster will look cooler.Slickster not a good time regardless.
>>65305810Kinda don't trust anything made by BCA to hold up to +p++ 300WM M2AP loads
>>65306698Buff's seems to hold up fine, but he's a reasonably popular guntuber and may have gotten a gun with extra quality control. They really need to drop the price on the magazines. Last I checked it was $80 for one.
>>65298943Well at least tell us the make and model.
>>65307281https://a.co/d/04uNBDE6
>>65307289Huh, that is pretty cool. Neat, TY. Would look good larping on an alien world.
>>65307330Excels at playing cards on a picnic table. You will be the hero when the sun goes down and nobody can feed thier Netflix addiction.
>interested in trying out g code scorpion soft shells>order 3 clones from krydex>pouches arrive, they're shit>brush it off as "china" and put them in my shame box>3 more pouches a week later>"wtf did krydex send more by accident">throw them in the shame box directly>later realize i had ordered some bottom of the barrel g code scorps on aliexpress too and had forgot about it, and THOSE were the shit ones (surprise)>rediscover the krydex ones and find they are actually decenti nominate myself clueless retard of the year
>>65307624Seconded. Just trying to help.
>>65307624Damn man you bought D-grade when you wanted B-grade.I was looking for some IDOGear tall GP pouches and found Aliexpress has been overrun by $15 knockoff versions, same sitch as your g codes vs krydex. Gotta go on fleabay for the real dealio.
>>65307662i ordered an idogear uniform and now i'm actually cautiously optimistic about it that krydex turned out to be decentdesu even the aliexpress pouches weren't irredeemable, just inferior stitching and materials etc. but the clips on them were just terrible, worst chinesium shit that didn't attach properly to anything. for 7 dollar pouches they weren't that bad, would've been usable for cosplay or something.the retention on all these these g code scorpion clones is crazy strong though, even when they're loosened up. i guess you're supposed to twist the mag before pulling. i might mount them upside down for the fuck of it
I miss the old days when Mayflower UW was peak
>>65307714I miss bunkbedguy and back when the answer to all armor questions was buy SAPIs or ESAPIs.Things were simpler then.
>>65307742Yeah, buggy whips and steam power are underrated, too. Come on, grandpaw!
If Gilliam sticks to his word and the 1635 actually gets 0101.07 certified now that the CPL is active, it'll absolutely dominate the budget Level IV market as long as it stays around $300/pair shipped.I almost want to buy a pair of 8002s but I'm leery because I suspect he'll whip out a new, better version once the company moves out of the garage into the warehouse. Exciting times.
>>65307844>long as it stays around $300/pair shipped.Wouldn't you realistically raise the price upon certification? I would.
>>65307864It could go either way. On one hand certification costs money and you'd want to recoup that (ballpark ~$20-30k). On the other hand, the $400-500/set bracket is extremely saturated. You're guaranteed sales out the ass if you can undercut the 1155, 4403, and 4S17M with a lighter certified plate, because Gilliam has Chinese UHMWPE on his side and those three fuckers are using fiberglass like it's 1979.
>>653078871969. Or 1959.
>>653079091969 also works, you had chicken plates and VBAGTs using glass backers around that time.1959 was a little early though.
>>65307915They had fiberglass though
>>65307924Yeah but they didn't have the idea to combo it with ceramics to make plates... I think. I wouldn't be surprised if rifle plates existed experimentally then. The first "platecarriers" date back to the Civil War and even before, but that was steel.Unrelated, the Chinese are annoying me with continued 256x192 sensors in $1,200 thermals. What is this shit and why is it in 14 carts? Straight up retardmaxx.https://www.ebay.com/itm/377081821219
>>65307949>they didn't have the ideaThe last truely original Chinese idea was movable type, ~1040AD.
>>65307956Ceradyne was founded in 1967 by the late, at the time 28 year old Joel Moskowitz and three other dudes.He was the fookin level 100 godfawtha of the armor industry. The Chinese cannot stand in his shadow. They cannot hold a candle to his skill. His 20 year old plates even live in Adept's head rent free. Why do you think the Colossussy is rated for Swiss P AP?Ceradyne was there first.
>>65307956You can now put a robot on top of your AR. This is the UNEQUAL POWER of CHINA.Looks like a player character in a Z-list xbox 360 you'd buy used at Gamestop in '09 for $4.99.>cue the musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFFFJnOPM2Q
>65308018>Looks like a player character in a Z-list xbox 360 GAME you'd buy used at Gamestop in '09 for $4.99.damn ass typo!
>>65306655this dood's cheap amazon amp couldn't handle cerwin vegas
>>65308018Wow, I will be invincible...until the EMP kills my electronics. If you do not train for an ANALOG BATTLEFIELD, you are dead aleady.
>>65306655>uselessEasily tracks CB emissions for devastating trucker domination.
>>65308307>Easily tracks CB emissionsDawg I'm pretty sure you can track the channel 6 super bowl from the fuckin' Proxima Centauri system using a tin can and some speaker wire.>>65308293The problem is that like all Chinese thermals and digital "night vision", they include built-in WiFi and BLUETOOTH, ostensibly so you can ghetto land warrior with your phone / digital night vision goggles and aim around corners, but at the expense of THE FEDS (and others) being able to stream snipe you.Also these screen-type thermals backlight your face and are very detectable using analog NV. I've heard some people are starting to pick them up for use on turkish magfed shotguns but the jury is out on how well they handle 12 gauge recoil.
>>65308350>turkish magfed shotguns>goose hunting at nightWhy do Canadians hate geese soo freaking much?
>>65308360Just because we break the law doesn't mean we're bad people. I mean, I live in my car. My car is my home. My home is filled with a hawaiian shotgun from rock island I bought from my bro Julian who got it off this asshole Cyrus who pawned it to buy an Autofag III in .30 fuckface or whatever.This is my life. The elites don't want you to know this but you can just kill the geese and roast them real good on an open fire. I host cookouts at the trailer park with everybody and it's how we keep the community fed. I mean I gotta jerk off the charging handle five times every once in a while but it's what it is. This is real frontiermen shit guys. We're our own society, one sci fi space gun at a time.
>>65308215bro tried to crank two AT15s on a "boss" amplifier he got for a hunnit from a white van in the costco parking lot homes
>>65308383>I live in my carBro, you cam live with me, no homo. On Sundays.
>>65308414You should set up pallet motels on Kensington ave and charge the fent addicts rent.
What's the best lowvis carrier that's scalable? Thought about it a bit and I've narrowed it down to either a crye LV mbav (chink clone), slickster, or an LV119 covert, but I would like to look at other options.
>>65308468*Lv119 overt
>>65308468>LV119Its okay assuming you dont plan to load the piss out of it with things. Also consider a JPC 2.0, they make use of a lighter placard system.
>>65308414I could just see some pyro stumble across that and unwittingly turn the occupant into a brazen bull reenactor.
>>65308490Saar, I am so toasty. All the other homeless are scared of me. No one goons with me. No one wants to be my sunday no homo roomie, they think I am asexual. They send me from province to province shitting in their name. And as I get better at it, the timmies fear me more and more… I am a victim of my own success. Brahmin… I don’t even get a real name, only a caste. I am capable of so much more and no one sees it. Some days I feel so Dalit I could lose Izzat but I don’t, I never do, because what would be the point? Not a single person in the entire universe would care. … Take it to your grave.
>>65306655>all that messpoor discipline
>>65308609I pay the fucking taxes Julian... sometimes.
>>65308639just keep a handle on the piss jugs rick
>>65308685I go on the side of the freeway sometimes, I collect these piss jugs, and I use my old man's fermented piss as lube... for guns you sick fuck.Only thing that makes a VR80 run like a bitch in heat I swear to fuck.I really don't get the obsession with body armor and bulletproof vests and shit. They're sweaty and I can't get sexy with my girl if I rip a vest off and it looks like I just finished a 12hr shift at the ping ping sweatshop. Just don't get shot guys, fuck's sake.
>>65308704>ust don't get shot guys, fuck's sake.rick bud you got shot for this exact attitude
>>65308350>track the channel 6 super bowl from the fuckin' Proxima Centauri systemITS NOT ABOUT THE STUPIDBOWL! ITS ABOUT TRUCKIN! Crimea has shown us, when you can disrupt the supply chain, you stop the economy. Ok, so Crimea is practically one way in/out, has 1/10000ths the trucking resources, drivers who aren't upstanding high professionals and it is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from American trucking infrastructure, but it's still all about the trucks MAN!
Hey people, Adept has a NEW helmet! They took the Novasteel steel helmet and made it... titanium!https://www.ade.pt/product/nova-titanium-combat-helmet/>It is a 920 g all-in, size L/XL high-cut titanium combat helmet: shell, pads, retention, and standard hardware included. It is rated to stop 9mm FMJ at 400 m/s (1,312 ft/s) with low backface deformation, yet it sits at or below the published complete-system weights of the lightest premium PE helmets — and within an ounce of a premium bump helmet.>$390The lack of special threats (even versus the Novasteel) is annoying and I'd want to know why it isn't rated for .44 magnum at all.>The best composite helmets are genuinely light — and they are also expensive, thick, soft-shelled, deformation-prone. Their shells also carry a five-year clockOh boyyy, here we go with the "ALL NON-METALLIC ARMOR EXPIRES AFTER THE WARRANTY PERIOD" shtick. Adept, c'mon, that's AR500's sales pitch, kinda like how the novasteel was AR500's helmet too. lol.Not getting a good first impression.
>>65309621I like it, need a titanium mandible and shield tooonly question is if I should get it painted or leave it raw for the knight in shining armor look
>>65309672It does have that samurai appeal, but you'll need better pads homes.Also what kinda knight gets punked by 12 gauge slug? Maybe look at that chinesium steel Warmag NP550. Heavier, but much stronger.Also, people are already concerned about the titanium helmet backspalling, which isn't pretty.>leave it raw for the knight in shining armor lookThis
>>65301937Do you have the gimp suit to go with it
>it exhibits low BFD!>test report doesn't give a BFD number>ONE 9x19mm>sales FAQ flakes like a motherfucker on whether this can handle anything other than basic 9x19mm without either backspalling or breaking.I don't know what it is. Adept's titanium shit is extremely mediocre. Their nearly $1k/set titanium-PE plate, the Mantis, exhibits over 40mm BFD against basic M855, has no M855A1 rating, and weighs substantially more than CHEAPER LTC or Militech plates which stop M855A1 several times with significantly less BFD. It's directly comparable in weight to the Hesco 3411 which has several additional threats in its roster like BZ API. This helmet reflects the same trend. It's light, sure, but there's a reason why other companies are not doing this except for high-threat-level IIIA+ or basic rifle applications, which is precisely the opposite of where this helmet stands.If you really want a tank of a cheap helmet ($260.00) and need metallic in case you're engaged by crossbows from Cabela's then Warmag's NP550 (warning - chinesium) seems very appealing, but is 3.8lb PASGT style. https://warmag.llc/home/ws-/np550-ballistic-steel-helmets/products/coreshield-np550-steel-helmet?It's good for 7.62x25 steel core, so you're good if you ever bounce a check at the Chinese takeout and have to face 14K or Sun Yee On, and also handles 12 gauge 3" magnum slugs with 3/4" BFD, which isn't half bad for if you're stuck in Kentucky. No rifles!
>>65308725Yeah I got shot in the fucking shin asshole you got a sappy plate that covers that shit like a gay fucking soccer player?>>65309175My old man used to jerk off on the channel 6 superbowl, made everyone listen. He used my mom's life insurance money to wire his shed with three-phase power and was pumping out 40,000 watts. Amplifier the size of two refrigerators. I could hear him bust over the intercom in elementary school. Shit was nuts. He got me out of so many tests cuz nobody could fucking concentrate!Then the cops would come to the school and when they pulled up you could hear him gooning over their radio too! Dude was going back for seconds every time!Ray sure did have a mean right hook.
>>65309621It looks cool, for sure ready to go on a bug hunt with it. Imagine the sound it makes when shot >TWANG!And the sparks flying off it would be kino>>65309820>>sales FAQ flakes like a motherfucker on whether this can handle anything other than basic 9x19mm without either backspalling or breaking.Its entirely AI written, count the number of emdash ( — ) on the page. Unsurprising it has no idea.
>>65309926>Its entirely AI written, count the number of emdash ( — ) on the page. Unsurprising it has no idea.I have to give you credit, I didn't see that. Well played!Now why would Adept quarter ass the product release this badly? Wait two months, have youtube samples sent to Buff and other dudes ready to go. Hmm, not a good sign.
>>65302926I still have a screengrab of the deal from September 2024. Adept has ONE year to get shit on the 0101.07 CPL, with the agreed conditions in pic related, or anon is sworn to make a funny image conceding the matter.
>>65309926A2, you can now mount an Infitac thermal on top of your Eotech. Is this feed or sneed?
>>65310059
>>65310065But-but-but the mount comes with exclusive US Armor Forge firmware to unlock "NIGHT VISION" mode on your Infitac thermal!
>>65310074That looks so ridiculous, lol
>>65309621Yo it's literally lighter than a FAST SF which is only rated for 9mm FMJ at 1200 fps. I also like the white knight look. They need a raw mandible, though
>>65310203No different than putting a mirror on your gun so you can check your six on the move or a steel five-pound face mask so you can eat 12 gauge slugs to the jaw, or buying III+ steel forearm and leg protectors from VESTGUY on ebay.https://armoredoptics.com/products/maxilla-maxillofacial-protectionhttps://www.ebay.com/str/zasclectors?I genuinely don't know anyone who has bought this shit, so maybe there are some omega fudds somewhere building juggernaut suits with mobility exoskeletons paid for by their HSAs.
>>65310206Yeah but the FAST SF doesn't risk back-spalling off the interior of the helmet. I second the take that this needs an interior aramid layer.
PENIS HELMET
>>65310224> Yeah but the FAST SF doesn't risk back-spalling off the interior of the helmet. I don't think this happens at handgun velocities and at the thicknesses involved.
>>65310216What's with the circle in the pic? Is it because he's running a $15 Temu airsoft optic? Or is something else going on there?
>>65310229Armor is proportional to the threat. Most steel plates have spall liners on the back of the plate to address this issue against rifle threats. This helmet is thinner, weaker, and only built for one 9x19mm at 1,350ft/s.Very, very weak test report.>>65310238Yeah I circled that because I thought it was hilarious they're pimping a $700 steel face mask but they're running THE temu red dot.
>>65310250Right, and it's competing with ultra-light Team Wendy and Ops-Core helmets on weight/performance, and beating them overall. It's within an ounce of the Ops-Core bump. I wouldn't compare it to a rifle plate, lol.
>>65310267>and beating them overall>One 9x19mm at 1,350ft/s with unspecified "low" BFDJury is still out on that chief. Burden is on Adept to show this thing holds up, doesn't back spall, and is produced consistently with name brand level QC and they have one crummy test report.The problem is that none of those helmets really apply to CONUS. Who is just shooting 9x19mm ball one time at 1,350 and left all the other stuff at home? I will concede this helmet will have a much easier time with crossbow and other "super stab" threats than an ACH or whatever. However, the NP550 helmet for about half this price (and twice the weight) provides far more comprehensive protection against a wider variety of CONUS threats and actually gives BFD numbers.IMO, this helmet is like those Gilliam UARM 1 M193 plates. Light as fuck, cheap as fuck relative to other options, but barely stops nuffin.>I wouldn't compare it to a rifle plate, lol.The point is proportionality. This is to 9x19mm as a Level III steel or titanium plate is to 7.62x51mm M80.
>>65310302> However, the NP550 helmet for about half this price (and twice the weight) Yeah, that one weighs almost 4 pounds. > Who is just shooting 9x19mm ball one time at 1,350 and left all the other stuff at home? 9x19mm Ball at 1360 fps literally covers like 99% of handgun threats in the US, thoughbeit. From a handgun, 9mm muzzle velocity is something like 1100 fps on average. .44 Magnum and 5.7mm AP loads are very very uncommon. So I dig it.
>>65310228to match my penis gun and penis knife
>>65310334The penis knife is trad
>>65310321>Yeah, that one weighs almost 4 pounds.Indeed, no free lunch. It's the IIA versus IIIA debate all over again, except now it's...>*checks notes*IIA+ versus a helmet that seems to be literally built to 2005 Pinnacle Armor's IIIB spec. Blast from the past!>9x19mm Ball at 1360 fps literally covers like 99% of handgun threats in the US, thoughbeitNot according to the NIJ's statistics. With NIJ 0101.07, which doesn't directly apply to helmets but does reflect latest practices, they dropped IIA completely and this spec is outmatched by .357 Magnum @ 1,430ft/s in Level II, now HG1.NIJ for whatever reason now considers the minimum protection floor to be 9x19mm and .357 Magnum, likely for safety margin purposes. You always want safety margin. This helmet seems light on that especially given that the test report indicates no multi-hit.>.44 Magnum and 5.7mm AP loads are very very uncommon. So I dig it.I'm concerned more about 50gr Liberty Civil and other fast "IIIA+" threats. The NP550 is good for steel-core 7.62x25 Tok so those shouldn't be an issue. Everyone and their dog also has a 12 gauge or two, some of them drum-fed and especially... Turkish, so slugs are a common CONUS threat.I'm thinking a better CONUS mix is $75 used BA3A from Botach and then $250 on an NP550 for use as an emergency "contingency" helmet if you are unable to afford a rifle rated one (and boy do those get funky on BFD sometimes...).I will concede a way to bolster this titanium helmet would be a good applique.
>>65310345>>65310334And a penis plate
>>65310360it's all cumming together
>>65310369What you are looking at is the new Highcom 4S20M (420!) which is lightweight and is undergoing 0101.07 certification now. Made using the new XTClave technology patented by first edition Nurgle! It will make the Hesco 4601 so turnt they will have no choice but to get off their ass and actually innovate since 2015!
>>65310360I really don't know how they managed to publish that one, lol
>>65310360>Be ready
>>65310468It's like they're trying to say something. I feel threatened desu
>>65310468>>65310516
>>65310531This is the Highcom 4S20M that will RAISE HIGHCUM from the penny stock GRAVE and make them competitive again!I want you people to realize this is Highcom's first fundamentally new Level IV plate in more than fifteen years. BE READY.IT'S GONNA BE UNEQUAL.
>>65304786XXXX nsn generally means pre-contract sample. model may have never seen service, that plate at least never did.>>65309820literally never heard of anyone talk about the mantis plate other than to dog on it. literally never even seen one. its not relevant.>>65310350it is curious that the old novasteel was advertised for +p 9mm scs and new TI says nothing. does it often defeat helmets?
>>65310074Actually useful to have more dimming in themGood on themWe need people to write custom Rh25 firmware and custom firmware for the oneleaf mars
https://files.catbox.moe/wyznui.mp4>Literally homeless people rocking gucci gearAliexpress bros..... not like this!
>>65310564>it is curious that the old novasteel was advertised for +p 9mm scs and new TI says nothing. does it often defeat helmets?We're dealing in metallic armor here, so the prime killer will be pure velocity as long as projectile composition isn't detrimental. Aramid and PE aren't as velocity sensitive as really, really thin steel or Ti.>MantisIt's definitely one of Jake's blunders.>SAECI was told the entire plate's label is just XXXXXXXXXX, even the model number. SAEC is just the category, the plate's model number is unknown.>>65310571Oneleaf Mars is A2 approved?
>>65310599Is MR still gucci though? How have they held up since the sale? A LOT of "gucci" brands from 5 years ago are shit today. UF Pro has gone all-in on Vietnam, Ferro is selling $400 Jansports, the Spiritus LV-120 is Agilite-tier, Crye hasn't done anything new in ages and our man Caleb is probably retired on a beach somewhere.
>>65310608> I was told the entire plate's label is just XXXXXXXXXX, even the model number. SAEC is just the category, the plate's model number is unknown.Elite mystery meat.
>>65310645Seller seemed to know his shit when I talked to him and the plates were apparently issued, the whole XXXX thing could have been pre-contract, or quite possibly that the plate just never got an NSN or the label needed to be sanitized because it's a DEVGRU turbo flagship Ceradyne that commands $5,000 a set used. That is ridiculous money and the only plates I can think of which command more used are the Secret Service PULV variants which are better than the PBZSA types and stop the same threats. $6,000 on fleabay. They correspond with some unknown, gucci as hell sub-4lb M80 / BZ API standalone Tencate above the PBZSA. The real spooky Ceradynes before the "SAEC" flat out did not even have a label.He offered to break the deal off with the other guy if I could raise to well over $5,000 (IMO, this was sketchy as fuck since it was done off ebay) but I'm not spending used car money on dubious condition and rating plates I have no recourse for if they don't tap, which is a problem with Ceradynes around that period.
>>65310599>homeless guy with fucked up teeth>has gucci boots and backpackIt's easy to buy gucci gear when you have no bills.
>>65310693In my airsoft days the 20 somethings living with their parents always had the best shit because they didn't have to pay rent.
>>65310758That tracks.
RMA is at it again... again...>National Institute of Justice Level IV certification tests include dropping ceramic plates from a minimum of 48 inches with ten pounds of weight behind it while the plate is soaking wet. >You can rest assured that your ceramic plates from RMA are protected from ordinary everyday drops>RMA has all of its Lvl 4 body armor tested with a drop test, regardless of its certification status to ensure that its testing procedures are consistent throughout the full range of products.I like how everything was tested with a drop test, but they don't say it WORKED after the drop test. Also, what's an ordinary everyday drop? They really gotta just add foam to the 1165 and then call the current version the 1165 Covert, because a 0.7" thick IV ain't drop proofed for shit and Buff's test reflects that.https://rmadefense.com/level-4-body-armor-frequently-asked-questions/
>>65310780> p-please Buffman, don't drop the plates! > n-noooooooooo!!!!!!
>>65310835Daily reminder they made Buff pull the first ESRT video because the plate was rated for BZ API but didn't stop BZ API>Buff that was a regional variation on BZ API! It was BULGARIAN! BAD OPTICS!>what the fuck is a safety margin!Then the XRT failed on the first shot against M80A1 when it was rated to stop M80A1 and actually was rated to stop B-32 API, so it should have been able to stop that M80A1 with ease. Apparently not. That was the best the XRT could do.Then they send Buff the new 1165s and tell em NO DROPS.>DON'T DO IT!As said in the other thread, the only people buying RMA plates are the tragically uninformed. If Gilliam's advertising budget was more than a bag of chips he'd be kicking their teeth in with the 1635 but he's kinda just... not using youtubers except on the 8002 which put on a great show.>WILSON, THE FUCK ARE YA DOING? He must think Matt will make the plates fail or something by dropping them ten times out back. Avoiding Buff like this is just odd.
>>65310571>oneleaf marsIs it actually any good? Can it be used as a clip on?
>>65310599>professional hoboI didn't know it was an actual job. Do they gotta go to uni?
>>65310911You need a 4-year degree, a loicense, and you need to join the Adventurer's Guild.
>>65310872It's a ridiculously good deal for a 640x480 60hz thermal with a laser rangefinder but is intended for use as a standalone weapon sight.>>65310911Half of them are used as money laundering agents like the kids on street corners selling water bottles, other half are professional vagabonds that fly signs for a living and build up caches and war chests for when they get their shit stolen 24/7 through the power of CHIME and other reloadable cards for people that can't get bank accounts usually cuz they burned every fuckin' bank in town.
>>65310599A2 is this a good deal?
>>65302436Nice>>65309760Yes, but no gay stuff
>>65310599>got mad at people making fun of him and has resorted to hobo posting as a gotchalmao
>>65310599Taobao bros stay winning when we can get the same pack for 1/4 of the price
>>65310872>Is it actually any good?No.Thats why I literally mentioned it in the context of getting custom firmware. It could EASILY incorporate a pixel trued subdisplay and screen sliding to function as a clipon but chinks are 6 dumb 8 market.>>65310911Atleast 15 years experience to get that gigGood luck dude! They are putting out H1Bs for it.>>65311081Fuck no.Modern collapsible tools or bust>>65311269t. Northface user>>65311489>SunsnowGood stuff
>>65310953if by 4 year degree and join the adventures guild you mean milk VA disability, you are correct
Anyone got updates on Apex Armor's rape case? I wanna time an offer for some 28791s.
>>65313822I'm still in shock that he (allegedly) used a flashbang like that.
>>65313848>Kinky!But seriously, I wanna shoot him an offer on the 28791s. I want to wait until he's paying lawyers so he's crunched.$4,599 for a pair of plates that sidegrade PBZSAs is asinine, he's been sitting on them for years.
You just never know bros…
>>65314093Yikes. Read the article, skipped off the top of the plate and shattered his sternum. Good hard lesson in plate coverage. Also daily reminder that a Highcom 10x12 covers less than a size small SAPI or ESAPI, and an RMA 10x12 nowadays is only a few percent more coverage than the Highcoms.
>>65313878>These plates ship directly from the factory.
>>65314250>noThey were discontinued years ago, all the ones that were SOCOM issue had a DOM in 2020 at the latest. Apex has the same issue as Hoplite and Midwest where they think 10 year old LTC plates are the second coming of random-ass Ceradyne model no. 42069 and think they can charge five grand for plates that can't even make Level III.
ceradyne ba3a from botach arrivedwearing it it just looks more like an ach with a brim than an actual pasgtalso has this weird nape adjuster knob that is somewhat uncomfortablei may swap out all the retention stuff tbqhhonestly i feel stupid for buying this, ill never fucking wear it. thanks gq
>>65314411Good, you only spent $75 on a helmet you'll never wear versus $1,200.>also has this weird nape adjuster knob that is somewhat uncomfortableAh so they've got the funky fucker retention.>honestly i feel stupid for buying thisDon't worry there are people that pay thousands for digital nv
>>65314423I just shit in the ceradyne ba3a and my steamy cream fudge is better padding than the padding it came with tbqh
>buy sling bag for vacation>it's just one big main compartment with velcro on the interior walls>pretty much just a big GP pouch>autism activatesAny recommendations for velcro backed organization?
>>65314423>you only spent $75 on a helmet you'll never wear versus $1,200.>Italian Sept2 helmet for $40 from CtD>no weird suspensionGet on my never-wear -t level.
>>65315064Admittedly, mine has no steamy, creamy fudge.
>>65314437Saaaar>>65315064The BA3A is, ballistics-wise, a solid helm. The pads and suspension at least on mine are a solid C+ but it's a $75 "IIIA" helm.>>65315066Other guy is a... shithead!
>>65315339>shithead"Crap hat" is _more_ correct. Jez sayin'.
>>65315339>ballistics-wise, a solid helmThe Sept2 has shown it's tissue strength against 9mm, so pretty shit. I have litte to no frag threats and a lumberjack hard hat would offer more practical protection. In spite of the stylin' superiority of a spectacle viking helm.
>>65315468Damn, it's weaker than Adept Nova Titanium IIA+?Big oof, even if swanky style. Gotta be honest, Jake is blundering with this one unless it shows better performance later on. If you want low BFD just go balls out and buy an NP550.People can crap on or in the BA3A as much as they like, it's a "IIIA" helmet for $75 because copsurp and made by a reliable mfg.
>>65315477Kind of cringe and weird take. The titanium helmet is in the same weight class as the OpsCore FAST SF and even bump helmet, and legit outperforms them. The NP550 is 4 pounds and there's no way to mount anything to it, lol. The BA3A is apparently pretty lame too.
>>65314437Most old helmets have really shitty padding. The Team Wendy ACH pads are the fucking worst. In all seriousness even the PASGT leather webbing is more comfy
>>65314437FYI the best aftermarket padding set is the PGD one. I think it runs about $60
>>65315339>>65314411How much does the BA3A actually weigh? Botach says 3 pounds, but they're always wrong. The 3M specsheet says 2.6 pound shell weight, but they always massively undersell "shell weight" and lie about it. I'm guessing 3.5 pounds for a complete Size L?
>>65315620>The titanium helmet is in the same weight class as the OpsCore FAST SF and even bump helmet, and legit outperforms them>test report with one 9x19mm and no BFD number or back spall yes/no.You're falling for Adept's cherry-picking and a singular test report. Jury is out until the helmet is actually released, and they haven't even given a real BFD number (low isn't a number) and proof it doesn't backspall as discussed upthread. Everyone agrees it should have an aramid liner but it's just bare titanium.Also the pads suck but that's correctable same as with the BA3A.>The NP550 is 4 poundsAnd massively higher rating. Steel core 7.62x25, some 5.7, IIIA, and 12 gauge 3" slug with actually pretty reasonable BFD. Far more applicable to CONUS given the 12 gauge rating. Everyone has a shotgun.>and there's no way to mount anything to itBoltless rail kit from Ebay should do. Better than Adept locking you into their hardware, so you aren't fucked if Jake has to up and skip town again like he did with Diamond Age (seriously, why did he get his entire old site purged from the wayback machine?).>The BA3A is apparently pretty lame too.It's $75 and IIIA. Protech 2014G of helmets, proven manufacturer but definitely not their best work.>>653156693.5lb is about right, one size fits most.
>>65315726> And massively higher rating. Steel core 7.62x25, some 5.7, IIIA, and 12 gauge 3" slug with actually pretty reasonable BFD. Far more applicable to CONUS given the 12 gauge rating. Everyone has a shotgun.Does this NP550 helmet even have a test report at all?Also you dodged the other point, which is that the OpsCore FAST SF is heavier, costs $2000, and is legit only rated for 9mm at 1195 fps. The OpsCore bump is practically the same weight and is rated for nothing at all. There is an "ultra-light" helmet category around the 2-pound to 2.5-pound mark. The ballistic yarmulke Mtek Flux is also here. (And reports online are that they refuse to disclose test reports.)> Boltless rail kit from Ebay should doThose are shit, tho
>>65315726>massively higher ratingIDK man, I don't really wanna have 4lbs on my noggin compressing my spine.I would rather slap on a slaap plate and add in 7.62x39 MSC.
>>65315760But you need a base helmet with steel core 7.62x25 +P+ protection or you are totally ngmi.
>>65315746>Does this NP550 helmet even have a test report at all?I'd have to ask, but it does have fairly good youtube testing and it's been around for years. 3/4" BFD versus 12 gauge slugs.I want to know why the Adept helmet can't do .357 or .44 mag. Again, what about backspall? Talk about dodging.>Also you dodged the other point, which is that the OpsCore FAST SF is heavier, costs $2000, and is legit only rated for 9mm at 1195 fps. That's the cherry picking I was talking about. Adept is comparing their titanium helmet to an overpriced piece of shit and going "hey guys, it's better!"Neither helmet provides adequate CONUS protection (NIJ's statistics prove this) and is therefore as irrelevant as Adept's Mantis plate, which also uses titanium by the way and flops. How come the plate sucks dick but the helmet is supposedly awesome?>Those are shit, thoWorks great on my BA3A and was sixty bucks.>>65315760It's 1.8lb heavier than the Adept helmet which stops almost nuffin and is a low cut so it has a major coverage advantage.You can also buy a BA3A and an NP550 for less than the Adept helmet, giving you multiple options.Anon above also dodged the issue that Adept is fundamentally still a fly by night, especially versus industry legend Ceradyne. 0101.07 certification opened months ago. Where are the Colossus and Archon?>I would rather slap on a slaap plate and add in 7.62x39 MSC.Only to the front chief.
>>6531581412 gauge, cpt strawman, and actually being able to eat pistol rounds without major BFD.This is safety margin, nobody is expecting 7.62x25 steel core outright.
Alright, so enough of Adept half-assing a product release again with an AI description and a crummy test report that could have been best-of-five like that time Buff shot seven plates from TAS and only showed one of them.Reddit Makes Armor (RMA) has made a statement buried on their own subreddit as to why the 1165 and 1155 are suddenly lighter. This is on their own subreddit and not on their site last I checked. They are, as predicted, EVEN SMALLER.>As many people noted during our first run of 1165 and 1155 Generation 2 plates last year, the finished plate ended up being a little bit larger than actual medium because we were using true-to-size ceramics and then wrapping them. That meant they ended up being a bit wider and longer than they should have been for a proper medium plate.>To rectify this, we shrunk the plate down by a fraction of an inch so that the finished and wrapped plates will be properly sized Medium to properly fit everyone's carriers, even if they don't have stretch material or a gusset in the plate bags.This does not explain why the 10x12s are lighter because the SAPI Ms had trouble fitting into platebags, but it seems the prediction was right.
Have 2000 model of German army boot. What the two numbers(285 110) on the tongue mean? 285 is foot length, 110 is foot width?
>>65307742He left because people called him out for being a poser lol.
>>65315975Didn't Molon get bullied out of Arfcom the same way, way back when?We took a hit when BBG left.
>>65315860What the fuck, weren't they already super undersized?
>>65316008Ehh, he was just a 68w in the US army. Not like he did anything special.
>>65316016The SAPIs were actual honest size, same as Highcom, which is why I tell people in >>65298893 to only buy SAPI-sized Highcoms.However, the 10x12s for both companies are way undersized, with bottom corners cut out as well. Highcom's is about 9.5x11.5 nominal - more like a 9x11 actual, RMA same deal but closer to 9.5x11.5. RMA is clearly using this as a smokescreen to make their 10x12 closer to Highcom's.
>>65316080> more like a 9x11 actual, RMA same deal but closer to 9.5x11.5. RMA is clearly using this as a smokescreen to make their 10x12 closer to Highcom's.Big ooof. > Our 10x12" plates were actually 9.5x11.5" but that's too big, we need to shave 0.2 pounds and move closer to 9x11"Imagine doing this after calling out Highcom for doing it.
>>65316113Yeah, well, RMA panders to the civilian side of the market with basically no long-term memory.RMA railing against nominal sizing was about a year before the new nominally sized GEN2 plates. People forget.Funny thing is, they could have had the 1155 G2 certified by now! Hesco recertified the fuckin' FIRST SHOT FAILURES contestant 4403 as the RF3-400 and that was done well before the 0101.07 CPL opened. What about you, RMA? I think the 1155 has a safety margin issue.
Hey who wants a credential blocked tactical ladder for way too much money?https://surplus.botach.com/quickstep-6-ft-tactical-assault-ladder-police-trade/
>>65316415>tubular assaultsIm not sure how that fits on a surfboard
>>65316415WTF I think I saw that for $100 at my local hardware store
>>65316421Miami Vice don't fuck around. See below:>>65316431>Unlike anything you'll find at a hardware store, this ladder unfolds and is ready for use in under 5 seconds, then collapses back down to a compact, briefcase-sized footprint for storage in a trunk or behind a vehicle seat. New units in this line retail well into four figures given their specialized law enforcement market, making a used example a rare find for collectors and operators alike.
Check it, Stealth Armor, the inventors of DragonSkin, redid their website and now... sells Hesco plates! Looks to be the 4K10 and 3K10 going off weights and specs, the "Mexican Hescos."Both plates have NIJ compliance issues, the 4K10 was suspended then reinstated back in April, 3K10 was permanently removed and is INACTIVE. The 4K10 isn't bad, III + IV at 6.9lb and is the only Hesco plate rated for 2x M2AP with 2" spacing, which is actually pretty hard for a monolithic. I dunno what the fuck they're doing with the 3K10 if that's the case, get that shit outta here.https://stealtharmorsystems.com/productsAlso looks like performance claims on Dragonskin were significantly reduced (again) and everything is strict RF2. This is from the company that tried to pass off a 9.3lb IV++ SiC ICW IIIA Dragonskin panel sent to Buff as comparable to a completely different, much lighter, actually sold B4C Level IV panel. Worst ringer Buff was ever sent.AI written articles and pictures too, seemingly.NOT A FAN.
Wait, nevermind, the DragonSkin 2.5 using the SiC-TiB2 ceramic supplied by Adept, same shit as used in the Archon and Colossus except thinner... can't even stop M855? It's strict Level III. 7.62x51mm M80 only.https://stealtharmorsystems.com/products/dragon-skin-v5I... uh... huh. This sucks.
>>65316668Nah that makes zero sense, it's more likely that GPT-5.5 interpreted Level III to mean M80 only, and neglected to mention the rest.
>>65316682It sure got M855 and the rest right for the B4C 3.0 DragonSkin. Now the 2.5 SiC-TIB2 SHOULD be able to stop M855, I agree, unless the ceramic scales are so thin it can't handle any basic steel penetrator.If you ask AI what RF2 stops, it will reply M855 so I dunno if Bain, who is probably pushing 70 at this point, fucked up the prompt and didn't notice. Definitely possible. It would have to be some JUNK SiC-TiB2 to perform that badly.
>>65316691It's a skill issue, prompt or proofreading issue, surely. I wouldn't read too much into it.
>>65316701I'd check the test reports and spec sheets, but you have to email them to get copies. Also, the 3.0 B4C version no longer stops M855A1 at least per THAT model's prompt. It did get lighter, at 3.4psf, which is damn light for scalar M855 rated ceramic, so there's definitely something going on and it's not just the AI smoking that gas station fent.It now rivals the old 3.09lb for a 10x12 B4C Hesco 3811 from 2023.
Alright, I think I see the play. Bain realized the plate-shape Dragonskin was ass, and is now trying to sell Dragonskin purely based on full-torso coverage. In other words, he's trying to make a better Safelife FRAS. Then he's seemingly conceded, after thirty years, Dragonskin doesn't work in Level IV. Now he's selling Mexican, NIJ-iffy Hescos? Do you wear the Hescos in front of the Dragonskin if you run into AP threats? The 4K10 is like 1.2" thick, you're gonna be a phonebook with both of those.
>>65315975>called him out for being a poserAll that time he was faking. Huh. I guess giving away free bandaids covers alot of ground.
>>65316415>Quickstep 6" ft Tactical Assault Ladder, Police Trade>6" ftYou're are tearing me apart!https://youtu.be/Z-PZKVTM3QQ?si=-v7ThvWMAkgWXBN5
>>65316904Botach Surplus is CRUNK
>>65316026He waa still a dood
New $400 backpack just dropped. Introducing SHADOW PACK!!!!For me it's multicam black. > https://www.first-spear.com/shadow-pack/Love the PayPal "Buy Now Pay Later" option.
>>65318205We live in the timeline where you can finance used steel plates on ebay and thrift stores have credit cards. And yes, people do both those things. Our good friends at GILLIAM ARMS allow you to split $100 plates into twelve easy payments like QVC.Thus, debtmaxxing on a $400 backpack ain't surprising. I now wait for the $37.95 Taobao version.
>>65318205Firstspear has always cost this muchIts just govcontract bait, dont worry about to so much.
Steel plates are a conspiracy by the government to trick PATRIOTS into running shitty armor.
What ear muffs are the bestest?
>>65319210Amps>too expensive3m range guards + gel cups + ep4
>>65319228How do these compare against like regular comtacs, cause I have a pair but theyre cut and attached to my helmet
>>65319348Having owned all major earproAmps > comtacs > otto > howard leights > walkers > hamburger buns and packing tape > nothing > > lit firecrackers in ears > sordinsCompared to comtacs, amps end up with a bit clearer audio until you hit comtac 7. Comtac 7 is on par. The NFMI earplugs are great if you are wearing a gasmask or around heavy weapons, breaching or explosives. Amps a bit thinner than comtacs ime and have a better battery compartment. Connectorized and mic jack on the amps also superior to comtacs.
>>65319360>sordins dead lastAgreed
FYI, Gilliam has a sale going on for Model 0425 Level IV. $119 a plate, $240 a set free shipping. Similar price to the policesurp Protech 2014Gs but don't use 1970s technology.https://www.gilliamarms.com/products/model-0425-rf3-level-4-double-multi-curved-ceramic-armor-plate?
A2 I wanna get an LEP flashlight, what's a good one? I want one mile throw and a 21700 or other not-retarded battery.Thx brudder
>>65318455>wait for the $37.95 Taobao version.That's all that is left to complete my life at this point. Thats how fucking great my life is!
>>65319760>Thats how fucking great my life is!Sounds like me back in high school after my friend named Patel got caught selling pirated XXX VHS tapes in math class. Lot of blondes getting FUCKED. Had thirty tapes in his bag all recorded over his sister's disney movie collection because he was a cheap fucker. Then he got his tapes mixed up at home and you know the rest. His entire family lost VHS Roulette. I had to explain to the school brass I had no involvement in his operation.
>>65319760I'm proud of you mayne.
>>65320034>I had no involvement in his operation.You are ready for politics
>>65320044Tanks brohiemski.
>>65320052Patel now works at a consulting firm starting with a D making 60k a year. Been stuck as an analyst for years.Honestly he should have stuck with selling porn. Could have promoted himself to director and made the big bucks telling grown ass men how to fuck.
>>65320052He looks dead inside, like a man who just bought Highcom 4SAS4s with a rubbed off label and found out his plates are worthless with no chance of a refund because he bought them using his CHIME CARD.
>>65320080>dead insideCurrently in the news for his 15 minutes. Trump saw this one in advance and acted.
>>65320086I've seen some troons and those are the cheapest fucking breast forms I've ever seen.
>>65320105Literally balloons. Have you been keeping up?>Former Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is divorcing her husband, Bryon Noem, following a bombshell 2026 scandal where he was exposed for participating in an online "bimbofication" and cross-dressing fetish scene. She was jealous he was prettier.
>>65320116No I haven't been keeping up. I am here conducting RESEARCH on the upcooming Highcum 4S20M, which will SAVE HIGHCUM FROM FINANCIAL RUIN, and you're keeping up with BALLOON BARBARA.Priorities man! Your shit is UNEQUAL.
>>65320119Got the qrd on TMZ. Took 40 seconds of my real life way, but gave back 192 seconds of true MIRTH. It was mirth it.
>>65320052EXTERMINATE
>>65320133>TMZHasn't been relevant since the TAP Gamma was the recommended III+ plate around here.You people lamenting about Bunkbedguy. I will ask the true question. WHERE'S ARMORUS MAXIMUS? HUH?
Any good low profile mp5 chest rigs? I’m looking at the whiskey two four.
>>65320465Spiritus MK5 or Unobtainium gear SMG sleds placard with harness
>>65320143Based dalek homophobe.
>>65320080Probably get your money up before buying shit that looks ugly on you anyways broke ass chopped ass nigga fytb KWABcel chimecel ass faggot
>>65321738I wish that guy was based, he's reddit incarnate with a britbong accent.
>>65322039>urban dictionary on speed dialDamn son.
New to gear, question for old heads.What was it like when KYWI dropped? Seems like it was the Beez (heh) knees when it came out, an actual competitor to bungee or velcro.
>>65322039Bitch ass mfer projectin he fukked his check up on fanduel and his jawn left him cuz his stack was gone fr fr man got no rizz workin at dollar tree in the trenches can't even afford to fill his glock mag had to throw his last ladder in the river cuz the fuzz was up his josePunk ass so broke he had to put his plates on layaway and Mr. Botach came to repo his shit
>>65322107There were hard shell equivalents, kiwi were a great improvement though. Somewhere I have my LBT heavy boi in multicam tropic with a solid kangaroo pouch insert for m4 mags.
Listen here mfers I gave the big guys a calk I work private security they call me Hound Wolf Dawg Squad we be needin protection and I ain' ttalking rubbers he tried to sell me some shii and i said my man john he be needin something to stop .338 lapua and the real hard stuff can he get liek two plates so he can catch the rayounds n shit but they said nah senpai he be too fat.He be fukkin high scool linebacker he aint fat
>>65322107Picture related was taken in 2016. Crazy to think that was a decade ago. My first plate carrier setup, AWS Inc "Operators Choice Plate Carrier" copy of the 6094 with XL 11x14" plates in it kek. You can see the single ESSTAC KYWI on the left hand side. Didn't even have a belt setup yet. KYWIs were sick, and IMO are still solid if you don't need multi platform flexibility. If you're building around a single platform or magazine pattern, they're a great route to go because they have excellent draw, retention, and reinsertion characteristics. If you have money to blow and build out complete gear setups for all your different weapons platforms and magazine patterns, they're great too. I like my kit to be flexible across a wider variety of platforms and so I have been using a TACO on my gun belt for the emergency reload, but platform dedicated placards on the front. My web style belt rig has flap general pouches for mags and these are very flexible across the board. Yes they're not very fast draw nor reindex, but a web belt rig is not a CQB setup.
Alright, so per the deal in 2024, Adept has nine months to get stuff on the CPL per >>65310041 or they're getting shitlisted.
>>65320119So what is the 4S20M?
>>65320143Cringe motocross armor. But cool helmet, tbdesu
>>65322799Hesco RF3-600 competitor using a nice XTClave pressed PE backer. It's light, but gonna be 0101.07 cert so not too underbuilt, and the first fundamentally new Highcum Level IV / RF3 in nearly twenty years.
>>65322923IMO the "XTClave" is a meme, because their absolute shit tier "rifle rated" helmet is supposedly made with it, and it's one of the worst helmets you can possibly buy.
>>65322989It presses the polyethylene better than a normal press, which doesn't matter if the PE is lower grade. In the past ten years, better grades of Spectra / Dyneema (same thing different companies) have emerged which a lot of products haven't taken advantage of.You can see this with the incremental but major weight reductions in the LTC 28550 to 28590 to 28595 to 28570 to whatever the GEN-6 plate is. Overall, about a pound and basically no change to the B4C strike face.>because their absolute shit tier "rifle rated" helmet is supposedly made with itChange the is to was. The RCH is donezo chief.
>>65323005> The RCH is donezo chief.Hahahaha, oh nooooooooo
>>65323037Yeah it sucked. I'm willing to give the Adept Nova Titanium some grace if they add a rifle rated applique for it to the lineup.Their new SiC-TiB2 or upcoming B4C-Al+AlN ceramics could add M995 capability, which is weird but allows them to flaunt their helmet can do stuff a REV. A ESAPI can't.
>>65323072Do you think Highcom will update their helmet lineup?What they need to do is actually get all of their information straight, and tell Apex to STFU.And if they use good materials and XTClave, maybe they can come up with a cheap UHMWPE ACH-style helmet that might be okay.I'd say they ought to hire me, but their stock is at $0.05 or something and I don't think they could afford it.
>>65323086>Do you think Highcom will update their helmet lineupOf course, they actually sold some RCHs and it would make sense to make an... actual Level III version using the XTCLAVE.If Jinwudun can do a Level III, so can they.>What they need to do is actually get all of their information straight, and tell Apex to STFUApex might end up doing time and going judgement proof. I am honestly surprised the 28590 buyers didn't class action him, Bishop at Hoplite, and Midwest.>And if they use good materials and XTClave, maybe they can come up with a cheap UHMWPE ACH-style helmet that might be okay.Not gonna be cheap. XTClave products are ENHANCED and SUPERIOR lineup models and you're asking for ICON budget stuff.>I'd say they ought to hire me, but their stock is at $0.05 or something and I don't think they could afford it.How would you turn them around?
Can we shitlist the NGSW and the entire 6.8x51 caliber? The retardation of the last NGSW thread was BEYOND UNEQUAL.
>>65323356At least the OICW was kino in Ghost Recon and Soldier Of Fortune 2.
>>65323377You never played UT99 Infiltration? That one was fully simulated and had all the grenade programming modes.
>>65323384Never played it. Looking at it, my group of friends were addicted to Rainbow Six 3 Raven Shield since the 1.0 demo was released around that time.
>>65323413Damn. It's dead now so just spilt milk under the bridge.
>>65323101how do we know that jinwudun is any better than the rest of chinese armor
>>65323356To what end? Seems to me the prevailing notion is that its shit, both within the military and among civilians. The only people I see saying its good are PEO soldier (i.e., salaried shills), sunk-cost sig owners and gamers who are only exposed to it through BF6 and Tarkov.
>>65323356it's basically a magnum cartridge with a .308 formfactor.excellent for snipers and DMs. obviously shit for anything else.
I snagged an OpsCore IHS/ XR boltless todayI need to replace the suspension, the marine who had it before me rat-fucked it. He replaced the harness with some amazon garbage that rusted to shit but still, XR boltless is a rare piece of kit and better than the old fast HC I had for years.
>>65323356Unironically, SOF did the correct thing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZB4GSoFbOo&t=989sInstead of some fuck ass new rifle, with a fuck ass new round, they just requested to make 5.56 shoot faster. Seems like the obvious choice.
just got stared down by a foid at 7/11 because I was still wearing my pc after my morning 10 mile rucklike bitch I don’t even have any mags in this shit why you looking at me like I’m about to commit another 9/11 I just want some ghettoraid
>>65324266>stared down by a foid at 7/11Did you get her digits? She prolly has a bad boy fet.
>>65324296I was just thinking some retarded shit like she smelled really good cuz I was gassed as fuck
>>65324266>t.
>>65324360You should really ask permission to smell chicks, they appriciate being respected like that.>can I smell you?Like that, they dig it, try it. They also like it when youbask permission to touch thier hair.>can I feel your hair?They dig it. Try it.
>>65324377did u draw this, cute if u didbut im a skellington with long hair, got the glasses right tho
>>65323887>how do we know that jinwudun is any better than the rest of chinese armorThey're not. I would strictly classify them as B-grade below the A-grades such as LiTai, Militech, and Longfri. Their plates are pretty bad. North of 5lb on the ceramics and no ability to stop A1 threats. The BFD numbers on their normal helmets are rather high (up to 44mm, which for a helmet is bad) and behind armor blunt trauma for the head is still not very well understood. What's known is that backface deformation velocity, energy, and width also matter, not just the final BFD number, and 7.62x51mm M80 has a lot more punch than .357 SIG and .44 Magnum there.The helmet is however 5.8lb by itself, so it is beefed up but nobody knows if that's proportional to the round. I think however Highcom could beat that number given their access to better grades of PE and the XTClave. Chinese "white meat" PE is not that comparable to high end Dyneema. It is however much cheaper.>>65323909Could just apply the same increased pressure to 7.62x51mm and enjoy backwards-compatibility as argued in that thread, or 5.56 as said by >>65324128 and exploit the advantages of a lighter, smaller caliber.>>65323904Then there doesn't seem to be much in dispute.>>65324377>but the 8x10s make me more high speed and provide essential vitals protection! 10x12s too heavy!
>>65319559Couple questions in this.1-2 hit and 3-5 hit are same price, same thickness, only difference is weight? How does that work? Sounds like an entirely different plate instead of a different version. Also the bullet points list a 10 year warranty but in the tech specs it lists a 5 year warranty on the ballistic material. What will that extra five years even cover?
>>65324522>1-2 hit and 3-5 hit are same price, same thickness, only difference is weight? How does that work? Sounds like an entirely different plate instead of a different version.There are two ways that could be done.1. The 3-5 hit version is more strike face / crack arrestor, less backer, so you end up same thickness but more weight because of areal density reasons.2. The weight given is just for the 1-2 hit version and the 3-5 hit is beefed up probably to 1.2" thick with additional crack arrestor / backer / strike face. I think #2 is more likely. Running a stronger crack arrestor actually INCREASES BFD, and those are Gilliam's words, not mine, so if theory #1 were correct then the 3-5 hit would probably piss over 44mm BFD, which is a fail.I'm personally not a huge fan of the 0425, the test report given is weak - single strike for a 7lb plate, no thickness given, no drop test. The big thing with multi-hit claims is shot spacing. It's a lot more impressive to stop two M2AP an inch apart on the crown (center) than seven M2AP all riding the edge of the plate. Where this model is viable is as a new, not used multi-curve alternative to the copsurp Protech 2014G. In other words, last ditch desperado Level IV in the $250/set bracket.>Also the bullet points list a 10 year warranty but in the tech specs it lists a 5 year warranty on the ballistic material. What will that extra five years even cover?Five year warranty on the ballistic material, so the plate is expected to last five years under "normal use" and actually work against intended threats. The ten year warranty would be for workmanship.
>>65324704>>65324522>2. The weight given is just for the 1-2 hit versionWhoops, meant to say "the thickness given", my bad.Semi related, pic related is the test report for Gilliam's $400/set 1023 plate. Much better performance overall, with six .30-06 M2AP all under 44mm BFD and with NIJ 0101.07 spacing, so minimum 51mm / 2". Single curve and somewhat undersized, however. It's also a heavier plate.This plate is, IMO, the spiritual successor to RMA's old 1189 since they're both Alumina tile arrays and meet the same six-hit M2AP requirement. However, unlike the RMA, this is not cheat ringed and actually provides more than 8x10 coverage on a 10x12. The RMA 1189 did that to save weight because it was using a shitty fiberglass backer. This plate uses UHMWPE from CHINA, which is superior and at current prices actually results in cheaper plates.All of Gilliam's plates do use Chinese components if that's a deal breaker for you.
Mehler Protection shows off thigh plates and full-height side plates:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWWZG2REEqI
Shopping list for full lvl 4 suit? Assuming Jinduwan.
>>65324873Okay, this looks much better than the Pixar Mom getup they had last year. Actually looks like something I'd need to save the GEP Gun for in Deus Ex.>All components can be upgraded to VPAM PM-9!>They're rolling API in the AKs but forgot the same kinda ammo in the SVDs and PKMs!I'm assuming that's for weight purposes since running PM-10 everything would be horrible even if they moneybagged it and ran boron carbide + Dyneema HB212 on everything.My concern is that western companies gave up on exotic ceramic research years ago and the Chinese haven't. They are exploring AlMgB14 just as was being done here in 2014, but are now enhancing it with AlMgB14-TiB2 - basically concocting a strike face ceramic far and away superior to B4C and which could enable this same super deus ex suit but at drastically reduced weight OR drastically increased protection, your choice.>>65324883Okay this is gonna be ass but you asked.Head: Tencate's Level IV helmets are impossible to acquire. NP550 helmet for low BFD and then custom commission a Level IV SLAAP from Gilliam.Then upgrade pads to PGD.Neck: IIIA Militech neck and then strap a 6x8 on. Run a 6x8 off the back of the helmet as a helmet tail. Zip ties, bitch!Torso: Pull an Armorus Maximus and custom commission a Hexar flexible full torso set of panels from Stealth. Will be $$$. Dragonskin doesn't do IV well. Shoulders: Level IV shoulder plates and pouches from UARM.Belt: IIIA frag belt and then run 3x 6x8s.Skirt: Jinwudun IIIA skirt and four DMGear XLs each with a Level IV of your choice. Use TacScorp molle-velcro panels to attach.Arms and shins: 4x total 6x8s ghetto rigged to Chinese molle arm bracers and gaiters off Aliexpress. Jinwudun's plates are shit but are roughly 30-40% cheaper than Militech. I would use Militech or go all-in with Gilliam for this job other than the Hexar and the UARM stuff.Fuck I gotta make a UARM infographic.
>>65324883>>65324932Also, for the face, the best you're getting is a single hit 7.62x51mm M80 visor unless you custom commission that shit from Gilliam too. Will be a Level IV plate with a viewport, basically.Overall we're looking at well over 60lb of armor and in the paraphrased words of Ross Scott, anybody who has been to prison can still spot like twenty gaps in that shit. Not practical in the slightest.
>>653244876.8 is a better projectile than .308
>>65325003>betterDefine better.
>>65325003In terms of external ballistics, yes, but the juice IMO isn't worth the squeeze versus HICARizing other calibers unless you're really trying to push that extra 10%.The M7 would do a lot better as a DMR to complement HICARs. M1186 out of a long barrel would still handle most plates south of Level IV. A 6.8 version of SIG's 97gr Hydracore 5.56 AP would be 203gr, providing 7N37-esque AP performance in a lighter package.IMO, they should shitcan XM1184 and go that route. If it's a rare time when you really need tungsten AP, go all out.
>>65325026>10%That's generous and you know it.
>>65325036Yeah I'm assuming the final version of M1186 is quite a bit better than what Buffman is rolling in his armor tests.I think the M7's armor focus is going to age poorly once the Chinese master B4C as they have SiC and they can shit out 5lb Level IVs for $400 a plate. They're almost there, actually.Then you've got M1186 covered with room to spare and XM1184 can be handled by SiC-TiB2 plates in the 7.5lb range, and while high that number will go down.These advancements also apply to vehicle armor, too. Improvements to PE all around can provide better frag protection too. Sword vs shield. Right now the sword is ahead but it's about to fall behind.
>>65325061>Sword vs shield. Right now the sword is ahead but it's about to fall behind.This I can agree with. Military secrets are the most fleeting of all.
>>65325077The strange "stop" in AlMgB14 and B6O (boron suboxide) research around 2014, coinciding with the ECSAPI program going dark around 15-16, should be a clear sign western companies like LTC, Integris, BAE, and Avon Protection (formerly Ceradyne) are playing secret ceramics close to the chest and there are secret plates out there.We know around 2011 DEVGRU was dicking around with a 4lb quasi-Level IV and CAG had a 5.3lb M993 / Swiss P AP plate as early as 09. I'd like to see those numbers with AlMgB14-TiB2 subbing in for Ceradyne's enriched boron carbide, coupled with modern UHMWPE advancements.In other news, Adept has a B4C-SiC-TiB2 mix ceramic now (I think for a next gen Colossus 2.0) and they may have cracked Ceradyne's code with B4C-Al+AlN.
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>>653250267.62 and 5.56 are terribly inefficient. they were already outclassed before they were even conceived.they should have been replaced a long time ago
