.45 Auto edition Target(s) of the month for July. Shoot some redcoats. If you pass the first one, try the second.https://files.catbox.moe/clnjel.pdfhttps://files.catbox.moe/kloq65.pdfGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNikPrevious: >>65319814
>>65325392>.45 Auto editionThis is now a .45 Super thread
I got one of these from a massive gun collector store near me. Where's the best place to find a slightly used mark 3? Jewbroker?
>>65325404>he bought a nice accessory before the actual gun
You jumped the shark with my lore>.45 Auto editionSure, here's two.
>>65325410Two weak men
>>65325410those are men
>>65325392>try the second.Dang I didn't realize there was a second one.
>>65325410Damn that slow mo really just highlights their frailty
>>65325392The /hg/ thread America deserved.
>>65325410You'd think for a 'guntuber' they'd know how to grip a pistol.
>>65325409>he bought a discontinued product before eventually buying another discontinued productFucking short sighted thinking NIGGER GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD POST HANDGUNS FAGGOT
I have two 9mm handguns and regularly train and stock up on ammo. What makes .45 popular in 2026? I get that if you already always trained with it, or were issued it,sort of 'grandfathered in' to using it for whatever reason. But what would make a first time handgun buyer actually choose .45 nowadays? I just don't get it.
>>65325443I like .45. It's America's caliber. It's a descent of the Colt Walker .44 which was one of the most influential handguns ever. I like the muzzle flash it makes.
>>65325443None.
>>65325443If the gun you want only comes in .45 or the best version of it is in .45 (usp). Otherwise no, and I would not suggest it to anyone. Not because it's bad but because it's less efficient than 9mm.
>>65325442>POST HANDGUNSAlready did >>65325397 fag
>>65325416>>65325420mugi is female you newfags
>>65325442>NIGGER GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD POST HANDGUNS FAGGOTBehavior of a child having a temper tantrum
>>65325455who fucking caresthey have SSRI demon eyes and forcibly trooned their werido husbandshe's not going to fuck you and if she does it's because you trooned out
>>65325455>femaleYou can cut your dick off and take estrogen, but YWNBARWAlso stop simping for tranoids lol kys
>>65325459mugi is a female you obsessed freak, it's flanders that's a tranny
>>65325462WHO SHE IS MARRIED TO AND IS RUMORED TO HAVE FORCED TO TROON OUT AT THE THREAT OF DIVORCE
I love forums
>>65325455nah
>>65325462>mugi is a femaleLol noYou can cut your dick off and take estrogen, but YWNBARW
>>65325468Mugi-chan, 10inchesSoft and LadyofIllRepute were all of the female tripfags here. I know you're a newfag but you can at least try to keep up.It was Flanders that became a troon
>>65325465Jim Hoag is a god tier gunsmith too. I think an anon spent 14k on one. >>65325470No one cares pastebin, this will be marked down in the notes that you were also obsessed with the attention whores here. A new low.
Which handguns look the best with wear and tear?
>>65325475>that you were also obsessedI'm not the one saving images of them and posting them for attention.
>>65325470>Mugi-chan, 10inchesSoft and LadyofIllRepute were all of the female tripfags here. I know you're a newfagI filter trips and namefagsKill yourself dorkYou will never be a real womanYou have a Y chromosome and no wombYou will never have a period or give birthYou are an abomination of nature and should join the 41% club
>>65325485Seethe more tranny.
>>65325475L-long
>>65325492>trannyNice projection
I often ask myself why I spend any time browsing this shithole at all.
>>65325492>t. noguns
>>65325501It's a good place to be miserable.
>>65325477you would be hard pressed to find a gun that doesn't look better with wear and tear. guns with finishes that don't flake off, like bluing or metal treatments where the color rubs off. Birdsong Black T finishhttps://www.1911addicts.com/threads/birdsong-black-t.171948/specifically rubs off from holster wear and all the high points.
Post Sunday carry
>>65325410Why are women so weak?
>>65325519>that webm>women
>>65325524Are those femboys? Have I been Trapped?
>>65325525I would probably buy this but having a glock is so>Brother eww
>>65325529>Have I been Trapped?They have more masculine hands than HRTbin. Massive skill issue on your part.
>>65325533I'm not always looking for traps. They looked small enough I guess
>>65325537>I'm not always looking for traps.NGMI
>>65325518
>>65325541I don't spend my time analyzing traps guess I'm NGMI. Post some groups "brother"
>>65325518In the OP, I carried it to go watch Young Washington
>>65325547>gets trapped>gets madNGMI
Here's some more .45 Auto /k/ontent.>>65325428>>65325441You can tell by the squinting and flinching how recoil anticipation is the root of their poor shooting technique. >>65325455Mugerino is indeed female, I too have been around long enough to know.>>65320663>New York v. MagliatoSo there was a case other than that of Soon Ja Du where firearm customization was a factor. I'll look into it, stay tuned.>>65325518I carry a Glock 17.3 everyday.
>>65325554>I carry a Glock 17.3 everyday.Pocket carry or Mexican carry?
That lady had terrible recoil control
>>65325559IWB holster
>>65325554that's a man
>>65325518g26 every day and sometimes with g19 mag in a carrier. I guess glock is abandoning the 26 for gen 6
>>65325392Just put in an order for an M9A1. What should I do with it? Langdon or Wilson Combat goodies? Would it be stupid to put an Inox threaded barrel on it seeing as how they're $300?
>>65325560>ladyIt's a maleYou can tell by the fingers
what’s the best gucci ccw that doesn’t suck
>>65325594Wilson Combat’s grips are nice but their trigger stuff is inferior to Langdon’s by a long shot. Ernest Langdon worked for Wilson to develop their Beretta stuff (Langdon worked for Beretta USA and also competed on their competitive shooting team for many years). So buy LTT.
>>65325443I like the way it shoots, and I like the way the bullet looks. The way a round looks is a big determining factor for me. 12 gauge has all the pretty colors.
>>65325598Staccato
>>65325602>doesn’t suck>staccato
>>65325605feels-based post detected
>>65325596Huh?
>>65325518Shot it for the first time today.
>>65325443Shoot an MGM spinner with 124gr 9mm, then spin it with 230gr .45 +PIt’s absolutely cheating for certain types of steel kinetic targets>>65325554That recoil control of .45 on a PCC is fucking disgusting
>>65325455A female faggot.
>>65325600Roger that, thank you.
>>65325554real women wouldn't be able to resist showing their entire facealso they wouldn't wear their expensive jirai shit for a gun video also the hands cover the distance that an average male hand doesgo look at an actual woman shooting on youtube and you'll see the difference
>>65325525Oh cool a bunch of loose ball ammo thanks glock.
>>65325549I shoulda seen that instead of evil dead.
>>65325571Took me forever to realize that was the holster and not some ludicrously tall front sight.
I got to an IDPA match today and scored 2nd out of 13 with the P228. How much does the SRT kit matter, and are there any good places to get them used so I don't have to give any money to Sig Sauer?
>>65325601>The way a round looks is a big determining factor for meI had a smart salesman a long time ago at sports authority. I wasn't sold on the rifle (savage .300 win mag) but then he pulled out a box of the bullets and showed me one. Bought it right there no more questions. It wasn't a bad rifle either.
>>65325640Of course it doesn't rotate when you resize it you fucking moron.
>>65325671This anon gets it
>>65325675Oh yeah 4 pastebin: I think it's just a cz thing. It lines up with the rifling. My old tanfoglio was the same way and that thing shot great. It was old too.
>>65325645Looks feminine enough
>>65325645>real women wouldn't be able to resist showing their entire face This
>>65325452nogunz here, what is all the markings on his bullets in the box?
>>65325640what mag extension is that? I have a 43 as well
>>65325733Anon doesn’t want to mix up .45 Super brass with normal .45 Auto. It’s a different case but has the same exterior dimensions.
>>65325735Magguts +2. I put 300 rounds through 2 mags today and didn't have a single hiccup. They're harder to insert than regular mags but whatever I'll live with that for 2 extra rounds.
>>65325738Why are those mags so huge?
>>65325745The left one is for gripmaxxers. I didn't shoot any better with them so I wanted to try something else, they came with the gun I don't buy strike industries stuff no offense to any who do.
>>65325751They're at least 8 inches I'd say
>>65325770You have a good eye. If women had that I would be in trouble.
>>65325397Are there any guns that can handle .45 Super out of the box?
What are the best 3rd party gen 3 g19 slides?
So I looked up New York v Magliato and it turns out the case is the same as Soon Ja Du where the legal strategy was to convince the jury that the shooting was accidental but this essentially pleading guilty to manslaughter so these examples don't even pertain to self defense but of course lead exposed Boomers would misinterpret all of this as "weapon customisation = assured conviction". The actual lesson is ALWAYS CLAIM SELF DEFENSE.>>65325567>>65325645No man is capable of her voice.>>65325621>PCCThat's a submachinegun, anon.>>65325687The crown does look better at than angle. Guess I was just confused by the radial wear!
>>65325805Why do you have all these women saved?
>>65325814Free country and you don't seem to realise just how often I've been the OP.
>>65325800Usp
>>65325814why shouldn't he?
>>65325805>betterThe stuff I was shooting in the beginning made the white box look like boutique ammo. It's not even cheaper, I'm never buying them again.
>>65325645>real women wouldn't be able to resist showing their entire faceMAGNIFICENTLY BASED
>>65325805> That's a submachinegun, anon.Potato, tomato, regardless, dogshit shooting form and recoil control
I honestly love the glock 43
>>65325842Was it reman? Been noticing white label reman floating around.>>65325851What do you think of this one's shooting form?
>>65325863Not bad desu, stock making good contact with the shoulder, good recoil control, no chicklean Granted, it’s 9mm and roller guns are supremely comfy
>>65325837Is wasian half asian half white
>>65325875western asian
>>65325830You skinwalk them?
Can I turn regular .45 ACP shell casings into .45 Super?
>>65325874>9mm and roller guns are supremeFair point, here's a more direct comparison. Unsurprisingly, her recoil control improves.>>65325911I emulate my opponents to level the playing field.
.45 you say
>>65325814>women
>>65325854It's small but it's got heart.
>>65325923Those Springfield armories are kind of becoming classic since they use faggot dei rollmarks now
PX4anon, please give me your thoughts on thishttps://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/px4-storm-sd-type-f-FA0064
>>65325921damn, you can see it's a man with wig based on the posture, disgusting
>>65325957I really did not like my PX4 .45, the longer grip is awkward, the rotating barrel does not seem to tame the recoil of .45 like it tames .40 or 9mm +P. Maybe if I had a red dot cut PX4 .45 I’d like it but I’ve gone off the deep end and only shoot 1911/2011s now except for my beloved PX4 compact. I tried to shoot my full size PX4s and I just was not interested in them. I even have a inox G-SD, I don’t like shooting it, I think it’s because of the Wolff progressive spring that LTT experimented in. Feels sluggish when I like snappy. I do have to say it has a much better DA trigger than the USP though.
>>65325963
>>65325921>entire upper body remains solid without an inch of backward knockbacktotally dude, that womanly torso and shoulders can just handle full auto fire heres how recoil effects an actual woman's lowered center of gravity and smaller frame >>65325863
>>65325981what if that's a really chunky woman to play devils advocate
>>65325554SNAPbin have you considered that if you stop spending all of your income on the trannies you simp for you will be able to actually afford a firearm
>>65325988I sometimes feel bad for the guy, he spent weeks if not months researching what kydex holster to buy since he has to finance it for 6 months
>>65325983An MP5 is very controllableIt’s not a good example because this person is very obviously just shitting rounds into the general direction of the dirt and not a targetAll other qualities ignored, someone wearing a face diaper alone in a forest should be made fun of
>Lilybin admits to saving gun"girls" because he emulates them lmfao
>>65325532Your comment is fucking cringe, and of extremely low intellect. Go be a retarded hipster on redddit.
I want a handgun but I don't know what handgun I want
>>65325923What do you prefer, straight or arched backstrap?
>>65326058K.. keep me posted.
>>65326058Have you tried going to a gun store and holding them
>>65326058Have you tried watching anime and seeing what the cute girl uses?
>>65326073usp it is
>>65326045Your little reply is fucking cringe, and of extremely low intellect. Go be a retarded nigger on redddit.
>interpreted "opponents" to mean grills with gunsYou're a chronic baiter or functionally retarded>>65325997>spent weeks if not months researching what kydex holster to buyIt was a few hours at most and I consulted /hg/ the same night of the purchase. I chose the Valknut IWB in spite of the lead time (it was three calendar weeks before shipping) after reading that Odin Holsters fit better and feel smoother than competitors.>>65325959>>65325981Again, it's not possible for a man to sound like her.>>65326073NTA but following such a path would likely lead him to a Gunko Pop like the USP9
>>65326058If first gun:Beretta 92Not nu-beretta 92XILIGMA shit, 92FS or M9A1If bored and consoooooming:P99AS FINAL SOLUTION edition
>>65326058Sig P365
>>65326088The USP9 is a great gun, it’s just not in the vein of every retarded post-2020 handgun where it needs to be a high speed low drag “tactical offensive defensive high lethality neo-katana” pseudo race gun
>>65326100It's the original tactical offensive defensive high lethality neo-katana.
>>65326064Not yet. I will try that next week.>>65326063When I do get one I will post it here :)>>65326073Pic attached is the last anime I watched >>65326091I will look into that>>65326096Isn't that the fucked up one
>>65326058Anything on the market other than glock
>>65325963Thanks man. Hopefully one day Beretta will make a PX4 Compact in .45
>>65326143>compact 45But why
>>65326150Nta but small 45s are fun
>>65326150
45 isn't fun
>>65326176Yeah it is, fat boolet, soft recoil
>>65326176Bait
>>65326150I like to carry .45
>>65326176Check out a variety of .45s. I went through the "1911 is the best handgun ever" phase, and they're sweet shooters, but you eventually learn what many thousands before you have learned: The 1911 is inherently an unreliable design. Clearing malfunctions all the time and throwing away mangled brass isn't fun. The Glock 21 is another popular option, and I love mine, but it's just a Glock so it's not the most fun. But this S&W 4516 made me fall in love with .45 and helped me realize that the cartridge doesn't have to be held back by the worship of an ancient handgun that impresses noobs at the gun counter, but will always fall short of modern reliability standards.
>>65326176It is only in certain platformsI sold all my .45s but 2
>>65326221god it must suck to have shitty 1911s
>>65326176Wrong answer
>>65326221> 1911 is the best handgun everI have never gone through this phase, I fucking hate 1911sNot tucking peoples yum, but I can’t fucking stand them
>>65326153>small 45s are funYes
>>65326240You gay or something?
>>65326240>tucking peoples yum>>65326248Yes, he's very homosexual
>>65326240>tucking peoples yumI'm not sure where you heard that but you should stop saying it.
>>65326248>>65326255No I just don’t like how it feels in the hand, it’s too small
>>65326264It was autocorrect but I am going to start saying this in work meetings now
>>65326270When I googled it I saw the real phrase and that is what I was referring to.
>>65326058Walther PDP. Affordable, somewhat modular, very ergonomic, good trigger for a striker gun, but it is a bit snappy for a 9mm
>>65326238Maybe if you had a 9mm you'd have been able to afford a dot with all of the ammo savings
>>65326274I’m 35 and look like sigmund freud, nobody gives a shit what I say anyway
>>65326287>afford a dot with all of the ammo savingsI reload my own, and haven't gotten around to getting ACRO/MPS cut.Oh also post ACRO and or MPS. But you probably can only afford a holosun or whatever other chinkcope shit lol
>>65326297Colt’s MRS-1 is 428 MSRP, I preordered one for 400 shipped
>>65326275>but it is a bit snappy for a 9mmIs this something you just get used to with practice?
>>65326297>he bought a steiner
>>65326305>Colt’s MRS-1""Asssmbled in America"" with chink parts lol cope harderIt's like Sig tier lmao do poors really? At least get a used ACRO
>>65326311>he can't afford more than one optic
>>65326307Yeah. Alternatively you could swap out the recoil spring with a 15lb one but I'd personally recommend keeping it stock and getting used to the snap
>>65326305>preordered>coltNGMI enjoy your assembled by brown migrant worker POS
>>65326313ACROs are not the be all beat all optic. They have a lot of quality control issues since they aren’t robotically assembled. If you get a good one it’s good, I like mine alot, but there are a ton of reports of issues. Agencies/departments having a significant number of failures https://youtu.be/DpI2mFax8lIhttps://youtu.be/jaqbReeVM6U>>65326319Colt optics has between 10-50 employees, either it’s completely robotically assembled or they’ve outsourced the production to someone else within the U.S. that’s not them.
>>65325455Prove it.
>>65326315>he wasted top tier prices on a steiner as a backup optic meaning the battery is going to be dead at least 30 times over (and most likely leaking into the internals) by the time his acro goes down
>>65326324>backup opticCope harder, it's going on the Expert>posting basedjack memesPepe is one thing, but you're clearly a r*ddit tourist kek.
>>65326329
>>65326317I see. thanks.
>>65326331I'm a big guy
>>65326338
>>65325805>Soon Ja DuI wonder if that jew judge gave that light sentence on purpose to help ignite the riots.
>>65326338For (You)
>>65325921>herYou pathetic and digusting queer.
>>65326349Fruits and fairies are all that's left in /hg/
>>65326338this still makes me laugh so hard i get itchyhttps://youtu.be/LYQpJHmo8nE
>>65326240>I fucking hate 1911s
>>65326401would yang wen-li use a 1911?
where are the damn eps cores already
>>65326100USP9/P8 >>> USP 45 > Mommy Misato gun
¿Charter Arms Bulldog: bueno, o no bueno?
>>65326463No fucking hablo.
>>65326465Here, I think I got this.>>65326463Excuuuse mihttps://youtu.be/DU7dOrLQbrY?t=15
>>65326465He asking where's the nearest home depot at.>>65326463hola, papeles por fabor
>>65326297You bought the Chinese steiner optic? Why
>>65326058everyone posted reddit suggestionsthe answer is Smith and Wesson m&p 2.0 compact
>>65326058CZ P10C
>>65326353Anon, k was always gayer than lgbt. K is actually reddit
>>65326509b-but /k/ was always pretending>k KINTERLOPER
>>65326091Kys tranny, how is some fgt 92 better than a Glock? What kind of real man disagrees?
>>65326512I'm just an ordinary paid shill and definitely not a glownigger. I've never been to the Epstein Island.
>>65325532But it's white
>>65325800Mk 23
>>65326100Great at what– being an afterthought? The USP doesn't seem to interest much other than [computer game / motion picture / animé / manga] fans.
>>65326532Great at not sucking, nuff said
Maybe the colt firing pin has a really good personality.
>>65326488>Chinese steiner opticIt's made in the US.
>>65325615How’d you like it
>>65326532your response is exactly what I'm talking aboutthe kind of low test zoomer retard pewview shit where unless people are seeing some retard slap it and going "wow that shoots really fast and really good" they wonder why it has the right to exist2011's are gay for this specific reason, not because they're bad, but because they're emblematic of the brainrot guntube shit where anything other than a comped and ported and smashed and slammed 21rd pistol with an optic and 1.2lb glass trigger will get you kilt in da streeetzit's a robust, overbuilt polymer handgun, what more does it need to be?
>>65326532I like them because they look cool not because of any game or movie or anime. I never use pistols in games and besides dbz and gundam in middle school I don't even watch anime. No single movie made me want it and I already owned one before I saw Collateral.
>>65325455whether that person is male or female, in the end ur still a faggot
>>65326532The story and engineering of the USP alone makes it great. It's a unique pistol. It looks great. It's incredibly reliable. It's beefy enough to shoot .45 super. The ergos are great.
Most .45 ACPs are fine to shoot .45 Super with increased power recoil springs. 45 super has a stronger case so it doesn’t need more chamber support than what a standard 1911 has
>>65326275You forgot to say that, while the PDP has a nice trigger, she's a fat bitch.
>>65326512I don't think it's pretend anymore
>>65326554Whats the story?
The more I came to hate them.Gl*cks are responsible for all the ills of the world.Are you a Glock?
>>65326648Glocks are fine
>>65326648glickers gotta go
>>65326658But what about the implications?What a minute->”gl*cks are fine”Who could be behind this post? Post ventablack pig in heat wundershitbar polymer figure you dirty striker fired whore.
>>65326648It’s true. I invented niggers btw.
What we got so far for this month's challenge.
>>65325470>female tripfags
>>65326705When is pastebin going to share his?
>>65326705grim
>>65326922I love gunbunnies
>>65326927You'll have to wait for him to draw his own when he can afford a red sharpie or find one.
>>65325470>he's simping for troonsUnless and until they show their biovaginas (neovaginas don't count), they're men.
>>65326927>When is pastebin going to share his?he said he needs to save up money for a couple of months to buy a $14 box of 9mm
>>65322690>dat thumbI wonder what Ben Stoeger has to say about non-standard (retarded) thumb placements
Has anyone here ever gotten a letter for the firearm through the Smith and Wesson Historical Foundation? For the past week, I've been trying to order one for one of my old revolvers and the order just will not go through. I've sent them requests for contact several times but no responseWhat the fuck
>>65326931Simp faggot
>>65326705Only two users itt are active and hasgunz
asking here again:>>65327541>Can't aim for shit with my stock G17did some diggingGlock 17 Gen5 is sighted for combat hold???this explains why I shoot so fucking low all the timejust googling how to properly aim a Glock never told me to check for center or combat holdI think I will just swap the stock plastic sightsat 15 meters distance the front sight fully covers the black inner ring of the target and I can't see shitfor 7 meters it might be fine but I can't even image shooting 25 meters with the factory sightsor is it really just some hardcore skill issue?
>>65327553you might be shooting low because your trigger finger brushes against your supporting palm when shooting. this happened to me and it was making my shots drop almost a foot at 7yds. it was nearly imperceptable to the instructor at the time who damn near had to pull out a magnifying glass to see what the issue was since my stance and grip were both fine
>>65327553From what I know, people who compete bullseye use adjustable sights mostly. They use the elevation adjustment to make it so their sights have a 6 o clock hold, where they line up the sights at the bottom edge of the black bullseye. Much easier than a tip or combat hold Or like everyone else just get a red dot and put the dot where you want the bullets to go.
>>65326542Do you see that written anywhere on the package, manual or product? Does it even say "Assembled in?"
>>65325443Not a good idea for a new gun owner imo. The two reasons to get into .45 are that you've already been shooting for a while and want to shoot something different than 9mm or have big hands and a double stack .45 feels better than a double stack 9mm. It's not as size/weight/cost efficient as 9mm so unless you WANT a .45 then don't get one. I guess you could also make the argument of getting into .45 as a gateway to .45 super or .460 rowland but that's really a whole other can of worms.
>>65327586https://trueshotammo.com/blogs/true-shot-academy/the-steiner-mps>The optic is actually manufactured in America at the company’s domestic manufacturing facility
>>65327553>just googling how to properly aim a Glock never told me to check for center or combat holdMy Glock is the gun I shoot the best out of all my other handguns so I would recommend just finding a local advanced handgun shooting class and meeting with an instructor
>>65327646Why are you referencing potentially false information on the internet instead of simply looking at the packaging in your possession?Here's another "reputable" site that says they're made in Germany. Does that cast enough doubt for you to look at the box?https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/11/12/steiner-mps-micro-pistol-sight/
>>65327567might want to check this when dry firing>>65327571ah yes for static distanceI just want to be able to shoot accurate at varying distances Red dot would be the easiest, but I don't have a MOS system, so irons which I can shoot with are most likely the way to go>>65327664stock irons at 15 meter/yards and more?yes there is a shooting course right now which I might want to attend
>>65325601Based shiny toy enjoyer
>>65327679>look at the boxI don't have the original box I'm not autistic
I haven't made a breakthrough yet so there's no point even attempting shooting challenges anymore.>>65326705You forgot to include G17.5 anon's submission.>>65326345If that was his end then the means were much different in those times.>>65326535>not suckingAutomatic pistols chambered for 9x19 have been solved in general so that's not much of an accolade.>>65326546>>65326550The original point of contention was anon's first handgun purchase.>>65326554But that doesn't make the USP9 a good first choice for a newgunz
I'll get the answers straight from the horse's mouth
>>65327553figure out if you're inaccurate or precise firstyou should be able to put five rounds in the same hole at 2-3 yards untimed slowfire. If you can't, your trigger control is badif you can, get a diamond or grid target and aim dead center. the difference between combat and center hold shouldn't be enough that you're getting this bugged by it at like 15 yards so there's a high likelihood you're jerking or anticipating. >>65327744>The original point of contention was anon's first handgun purchase.a USP is a perfectly fine first handgun
>>65327752>you should be able to put five rounds in the same hole at 2-3 yardsSNAPbin catching strays
>>65327749Answer: Germany
>>65327752>a USP is a perfectly fine first handgunIt's acceptable but I wouldn't personally recommend it. What you spend on the HK tax is better spent on magazines, ammo, training, holster etc.
>>65327749>>65327770>made in Germany>with Chinese partsLMAO
>>65327777>with Chinese partsCope harder I guess
>>65327789>he's paying Steiner prices for Holosun internalsLMFAO
>>65327752The USP is not practical for EDC in the Big 26 and therefore not a good first.>>65327777Checked.>>65327759I shoot further than that.>>65327553I elevated the front post to get a better sight picture and it shifted my POI 4.5" high @07yd [pictured]
>>65327795Poorfags, when will they ever learn?
>>65327798>I shoot further than that.well i hope so, but that's not the pointthe purpose of the 1-3 yard close range slowfire drill is to isolate your pistol from distance and mechanical accuracy as variables to confirm your trigger controlEvery pistol will mechanically be able to make a single ragged hole at 2 yards, and if it doesn't, the problem is not your pistolif your pistol is shooting low because you have an uncontrolled flinch or anticipation, you will not be able to put five rounds in a single hole, because the flinch or anticipation is an uncontrolled movement>The USP is not practical for EDC in the Big 26 and therefore not a good first.if you are big enough it absolutely is, and a USP9 is good for first time owners because its recoil is not excessive for new shootersI carry my LTT 92 every day which is dimensionally larger than a USP in every way that matters for carry
>>65327830>purpose of the 1-3 yard close range slowfire drilIsn't that just same as 7 yards?
>>65327871There are people in here who can’t make a tight group at 7 yards and or intentionally miss use their sights
Do we like vedder holsters or nah
>>65327798>I shoot further than that.Yeah, and off target by about several dozen feet (you can't even stack at 3 yards)>>65327830You don't understand the intricacies of Combat Accuracy.
I just bought my first gun (glock 16 gen 6) and the manual suggests that I should clean it before firing. That seems gay. Is this true or is it just them covering their ass?
>>65327871no, 7 yards is far enough away that things like focus, mechanical accuracy, and other muscular shit can introduce variation in the results other than isolating trigger finger problems. it's a very cheap diagnostic tool that I use as a warmup sometimes, also excellent for working through DA pull fuckiness:step 1: draw a crosshair or a dot on a sheet of paperstep 2: at minimum but non-contact distance (i use 2 yards) without correcting for HOB/parallax/zero, fire five rounds at the dot/crosshair as slow as you need tostep 3: confirm groupit should be a ragged hole or the same hole. if it's not, then you should be trying to fix whatever's going on between you and the gun before blaming the gun for anythingThe order of operations that i've found for teaching shooters having a problem with "bullet not go where want" is:>2 yard trigger precision drillif failed, dryfire, coin-on-front-sight dryfire, etc. because the problem is their finger>precision drill walked out in 5 yard incrementsif accurate but not precise, problem is probably in their eyes or stability because increased distance decreases depth of field; try a red dot and target focus, and do sirt/mantisx dryfire and reinforce staging trigger and stabilizing the gunif more precise than accurate, problem is probably in the hands and got missed at close range; surprise drills and no-trigger shooting plus dryfire to remedy>bill drill at 7 yardsidentifies recoil control problemsif low but relatively precise, cadence/tempo drills to remedyif off-center, slapping trigger or jerking, return to dyfire, cadence/tempo drillsif imprecise but accurate, do farmers carries and learn how to grip the gun like a man
>>65327924i mean 19
>>65327830>>65327926SNAPbin is the type of nigga who drools over expert-level things while foregoing the fundamentals, because he thinks the basics are beneath him. It shows in his groups.
>>65327924>That seems gay. Is this true or is it just them covering their ass?I don't clean my guns before taking them out for the first time just because I have an unfounded theory completely without evidence that the first 200 rounds burnish the wear parts together and expedite any break-in that needs to happenit's not gonna hurt the gun to shoot it dry, glocks come with factory lube and some copper anti-seize on it, it's not like a car where running it without oil is a cheatcode to being out $14kafter the first ~500 rounds I'll take it completely down and give it a white glove clean and do my normal lube/grease shit to it>>65327935i'm strongly of the opinion that every shooter needs two foundational experiences to cross the idiot gap: >getting embarrassed by your shooting at a Handgun I course>getting your shit absolutely handled publicly by a fat retard at a match
>>65327926I want to make big hole into smaller hole. Beyond more dry firing and more live firing, what do? Nearest range limits shooters to 1 shot per 2 seconds. I got reprimanded after webm.
>>65327830ok but why an 800 dollar pistol as a first pistol? why has the USP overtaken the PX4 when its more expensive and less good?
>>65327924The packing grease is not good lubricant
>>65327981PX4 not marketed as well, did not see much public interest. The U.S. market saw it as a crappy replacement to the Beretta 92 USP, brand name “no compromise” unless you use a suppressor that was not approved. It’s “bomb proof” (doesn’t actually survive bombs), it’s super reliable (the USP isn’t the gun that passed all the uber reliability tests, that was the MK23).
>>65325446Cute tummy
>>65327571>>65327553Me and my old man are the only guys in our bullseye league still shooting irons. 6 oclock is 100% better for bullseye than a combat hold or splitting the target. In my experience a dot for most shooters is like a free 10-12 points. Once a guy switches over scores almost instantly go up.Speaking of bullseye i am toying with the idea of getting either a mk23 or usp match/expert. 1911s are the gold standard for .45 pistols but i just want something different. Ive heard they are both stupid accurate but for that price i would expect anything to be. Pic related are my current bullseye guns.The 645 isnt really a target pistol but its what ive got.
>>65327752the inaccuracy is getting better from low left more and more to low midbut in general I am always off int he same regionmy issue with the aim is, that from 7 to 10 to 15 meters the point of impact is getting lower and lower I also need to get my eyes checked since left/right is kinda off>>65327798shouldn't you shoot lower with higher front sights?or do I think wrong
>>65327960if you're allowed to draw from the holster, buy a protimer, set it to random delay and do draw-to-first-shot drills on a standard NRA bullseye until you're absolutely sick of them. Your time and groups will really quickly expose problems with your gripi would recommend using an OWB holster on a stiff belt since the purpose isn't really working out your concealed draw or anything, but just spitballing, the times to beat starting palms-to-thighs are:>competition OWB holster (i.e. open top kydex): 2s minimum, 1.5s adequate, 0.9 time to beat>Lv2 retention holster: 2s minimum, 1.5s adequate, 1.0s TTB>IWB from concealement: 3s minimum, 2.25s adequate, 2.0s ideal, 1.5s TTBif you can't draw, start from low ready 45 degrees pointed at the deckaforementioned 2yd precision drill is also just great to do every range trip>>65327981would I recommend a USP as a first pistol? Probably not really for various reasonwould I advise someone against it? No because it's completely fine as a pistol and does everything every other gun does. if someone has an extra $300 to burn and it fits their hand, it's none of my business what they do with that money>why has the USP overtaken the PX4 when its more expensive and less good?the PX4 was never popular in the US until ernie started working on them because rotating barrels are alien technology to americans and very few people realized that the PX4 had basically the exact same trigger system as the 92 series and thus they failed to see the headroom available to make it into a nice gunincompatibility with 92 mags also probably caused a lot of people to just go "nah fuck that"
>>65328031He’s doing one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. He’s purposely not lining up the front sight and holding it higher, so it’s like he has a lower rear sight. He’s cargo culting that red dot users are actually faster because of the “height over bore” of the red dot sight instead of everything else.
>>65328031if you went from shooting low left to just low after the 2yd precision drill, you probably fixed something weird happening with your finger and the trigger, but still uncorrectably low even with a dead center combat hold indicates you're probably anticipating.I have a hard time believing that factory glock sights are off that much if you're on a dead center combat holdoutside the range, do front-sight-coin dryfireon the range as you walk it out if you're still low in the above scenario, grip the gun well (you can try dominant hand push, support hand pull), let the break surprise you, and allow the gun to recoil without limpwristing it>>65328050yeah kentucky windage elevation on pistol irons is fucking crazy work
>>65328046>if you can't draw, start from low ready 45 degrees pointed at the deckI can do that. Buying some bullseye targets.
>>65327924Cleaning a firearm is one of the easiest and relaxing things you can do with it. Do you believe giving it its first field strip lube sesh is a conspiracy from Big Glawk to ... to what exactly?
>>65328026Unless your 645 is clapped tf out it's going to be as or more accurate than a mk23 or a cheap 1911. I'd say you should get an optics cut 1911 unless you think the mk23 is just too cool.
>>65328026>>65328066the MK23 is not a good bullseye gun for a variety of reasons unrelated to its mechanical accuracy or sights, which the USP match/expert suffers from as wellit's absolutely a fun, stupid gun thoughI have two MK23s, one LTT optics cut/TJ, the other manufactured circa 2011 (IIRC). Their triggers are the exact same in feel, and I would not classify them as particularly enjoyable to drive max performance out of. A USP expert might get there with a greyguns short reset kit and flat trigger, since my P30 in that configuration feels better to try to get long distance single-action hits with. that said, I've consistently rung an IPSC steel at 100 yards with the ACRO MK23 with what felt like indirect fire, so it's not like you can't do well with it.
>>65328060I recommend grabbing it from the bench, going from low ready means you already have a grip on it and you're not practicing getting a firing grip on a timer. You will be slow though as grabbing off the bench is awkward.
>>65328098>>65328060yeah I'm rethinking the low readyI think the best compromise for not being able to draw might be to start one-handed in semi-retention with your firing elbow bent at like 45-90 degrees to keep the 180 and avoid pissing off the RSO, shoulders relaxed, with support hand palm flat on your support thigh (or on your belt working the timer)that way you're at least simulating the pressout and presentation even if you're missing the snatch/scoop of the drawstroke and have a consistent start position to get times off ofthe biggest thing from the video is figuring out the thumbs, which the above should hopefully address
>>65328066>>65328086The 645 in really good shape, and for the level i am shooting at its adequate. I feel like i need to spend a pretty penny to get something noticeably better. I shoot high 260s low 270s with the model 41. Closer to a 255 average centerfire. A few rounds through these custom 1911s makes me want to max out my credit card though. Theyre so nice. My father has a custom colt gold cup from the 80s and it is mile away the best feeling gun i have ever shot. The cool factor of the mk23 is part of it but i know a 1911 with a dot is the correct answer. A mk23 with an acro is good looking gun but so are any of the 1911s.
>>65328098>I recommend grabbing it from the benchNot allowed in my range, due to retards putting holes in the bench. Most of the bays have bench holes like the one my bay had.
>>65328113Not one of these fags but the MK23 has a trigger that leaves much to be desired, you can upgrade it a little but the USP takes trigger upgrades much better, and is still an excellent .45 with the same look you want.
>>65328114Bruh, then yea low ready is your best bet. And find another range.
>>65328111>the biggest thing from the video is figuring out the thumbs, which the above should hopefully addressShould I just let my thumb float and be done with it? I noticed I readjust my thumb only when I'm thinking if I'm firing too fast. The tactile reset makes me slow down.>>65328120All ranges within two hours from me forbid """rapid firing""" due to glonk shooters (it's always glonk shooters) spraying down range and flagging everybody after doing so. Unless you're in a class or if you have an instructor with you.
>>65328130>Should I just let my thumb float and be done with it?for semiautomatics, point both thumbs at the target, in contact with the frame. your support thumb should be roughly above and slightly forward of the trigger. For my hand size, my support thumb sits on top of the takedown lever cutout on 20/21 sized frames, and just in front of it on the 19. my firing hand thumb then sits on top of the most proximal knuckle of the support hand thumb, basically picrel
>>65328130>Should I just let my thumb float and be done with it? I noticed I readjust my thumb only when I'm thinking if I'm firing too fast. The tactile reset makes me slow down.Counter to what the other dude said, don't do anything with your thumbs, make them hang in the air clear of the gunBen has a series of videos arguing with people on the internet about it https://youtu.be/7fYHBgdupbcOr it could be in contact with the frame, just don't do anything with it. thumb pressure, thumb pointing, to me is counter productive. The less you do the easier it is to be consistent.
>>65328151Thanks Jared. Keep up the good work
>>65328159fuck jared, he's a faggot.
>>65328159>Jared>>65328164
>>65328031I was testing if the front post could be used as a bead sight or "caveman red dot" at seven yards but there wasn't enough height over bore to achieve this. Of course PX4 anon is going to misrepresent all of this because he's one of the Burtsmen.>>65327830Interesting, I'll have to give that a try next time.>>65327923sybau>>65327924>manual suggests that I should clean it before firingAt least yours actually included one! Come to think of it, my Glock might have been an returned unit because the sights weren't aligned and it had been manufactured two years before I purchased it.>>65327935>t. has not even attempted the Rousseau Drill
>>65328151I don't care whether or not this grip is effective, it will never not look retarded to me.
>>65328151>>65328158I've noticed keeping my left thumb straight skewed my shots to the left. Thinking about thumbs just make my shots worse in general.
>>65327473>I've sent them requests for contact several times but no responseI fucking hate that shit nobody answers the phone anymore. I've passed on some very high end stuff because they didn't answer the phones. It reflects on them as a company and I'm not doing business with someone like that.
>>65328185>is doing le mozambiki drilly willy>can't even stack at 3 yardsYou're the Dean of Clown University.
>>65326275>it is a bit snappy for a 9mmMeme phrase for wimpy wrists
>>65328185>bead sight or "caveman red dot"this is impossible because irons only create a discernable point of aim when totally aligned. if three-dot/notch-bucket iron sights aren't in alignment, they create a point of aim that's invisible, unmeasurable, and hanging out in spacea bead sight is useful on shotguns primarily as a reference point after you've patterned the gun on a patterning board. You're discounting that most bead sights are on 20+ inch barrels and typically with ribs for alignment, where the point of impact is a cone. red dots and holographic sights work in a fundamentally different way by projecting the point of aim at infinity, the tradeoff to mechanical irons being the existence of parallaxthe only way irons can vaguely function like a red dot is with diopter/aperture rear sights because the aperture functionally becomes the entrance pupil to the optical system>>65328212the most important thing is palm and finger contact with the gun, don't consciously place your thumbs against the frame or keep them awayif your grip works for you, you don't HAVE to mess with it. I wasn't implying that you should be consciously directing your thumbs anywhere, just that they should be both out of the way of the gun and your grip, the usual direction being forward and overlappedwatch the other anon's Ben Stoeger video, ben knows way more than I do
>>65328219>Muh ironsightsarefinebinHe shoots perfectly fine :^)
>>65327734Wow rude
>>65328245Is that a partsbin filled with goodies?
>>65328058it is at 7 meters/yardscan't go lower than that at the rangeyes there is gripping/finger trigger fuckery that is getting better but the low point of impact I need to check next time
>Aero upperNever heard anything good about those, I wonder if it's JustAsGood as BCM A3's or not.>>65328151The criticism I've heard about that grip is the thumb input being counterproductive for the purposes of speed shooting.>>65328219The first two rounds didn't stack because it was my first ever attempt.>>65328226>only way irons can vaguely function like a red dot is with diopter/aperture rear sightGiven the poor lighting of an indoor range, I imagine that would still be difficult to target focus with. At this point, I might be better off aiming over the sights and shooting predictively (instinctually)
>>65328226>if your grip works for you, you don't HAVE to mess with itThanks. The Stoeger video is basically saying what you just said with the palm and fingers
>>65328268what makes you format every post like this? it's like a pseudo trip
>>65327749>>65327770How strange that they don't prominently list that anywhere. Despite doing so for other products. It's not on the web page. Not on the box. Not in the manual. Not on the optic. Impressive response time tho, love Burris customer servicehttps://www.steiner-optics.com/products/t6xi-25-15x50https://www.steiner-optics.com/products/m5xi-5-25x56They probably have more lax manufacturing origin laws in Germany. But it's still odd that they mention NOTHING. My T5Xi box cannot boast "Made in the USA" despite every single part being manufactured in the US minus the lenses from Schott, so they had to put "assembled" instead. The MPS doesn't even do that much, which makes me think it's not even assembled in Germany or the US from global components, despite what the CS drone says. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been misled or even intentionally lied to by gun company CSs. Don't even get me started on the "two weeks" meme>>65328260I try to keep take-off parts in the boxes for the guns they go to, everything else goes in THE BOX
>>65328275Because you dumb fucking niggers keep giving him attention so why wouldn't he?
>>65328283Uh, congrats
>>65328283>posting a rifle in the handguns general thread
>>65328268>The first two rounds didn't stack because it was my first ever attempt.>first attempt failed>welp time to do more advanced drillsDean Emeritus of Clown University
>>65328264You can try to bore a single hole at 7 yards, it's just less diagnostically useful if there's something wrong with your hands on the gun versus a trigger issue>>65328268>Given the poor lighting of an indoor range, I imagine that would still be difficult to target focus withaperture sights are better than irons for partial and low lighting (i.e. less than full sun but not total darkness) because they increase depth of field>At this point, I might be better off aiming over the sights and shooting predictively (instinctually)I'm having trouble understanding what is wrong with simply aligning the sights and covering the target (if combat hold)>The criticism I've heard about that grip is the thumb input being counterproductive for the purposes of speed shooting.thumbs aren't used to control the firearm, anyone using them to do this is getting the assignment wrong
>>65328285calm down kikestein im asking a question
>>65328306>arguing with SNAPbinNGMI. SNAPbin is literally physically and mentally incapable of not reinventing the wheel (he does so poorly).>he wasn't here when 40APRonADodgeChallengerBin argued against dry firing being a real thing
>>65328294I have arg and hg both open and I got them mixed up. My bad, here’s consolation.
>>65328275>>65328314He skinwalks as one of the terminally online dregs from /arg/ that do the exact same thing, just a tangentially on topic image and then a wave of seething mass replies because their ego got bruised. Pantybin is nothing but a spineless pantomime of what he assumes are popular people because he spends his days in an echochamber.
>>65328324>PantybinQRD?
>>65328327/fit/ meme that stuck to pastebin like self sabotaging tier shooting techniques.
>>65328324he's a pantyboy?
Is $0.75/rd shipped an OK price for Federal HST 99-grain .380?
>>65328332Can he even afford panties? Will he make self-drawn Combat Panties like he does his targets?
Your insults mean nothing now as they're from the same reprobates that turned against the best shooter in the entire general.>>65328283>plastic CAR-15 stock instead of aluminium>16" barrel instead of 14.5">rail adapted Sino-Sig opticCringe.>>65328297>more advanced drillsCan't see shit when combat holding so that's the way it has to be.>>65328275It's more efficient than posting over and over.>>65328306>they increase depth of fieldEven so, I'm done spending money on mechanical sights>thumbs aren't used to control the firearmDuly noted, anon. Cheers
>>65328363>combat holdingthe fuck is this then now
