That would be wasteful and quite pointless.

It could be easily ended by a general with a single bullet.

>>65399037
2 weeks

>>65399037
Between this and the Goybussy Letter I'm sick of these 3rd world subhumans that bot the shit out of these new accounts and just spam nonstop unsourced dogshit for Elon bux. Every part of this wall of slop is laced with seethe for fucks

>>65399037
When you are actively being invaded and can't hold the line with conventional weapons then you might be able to use nukes without massive international backlash.
If you start a war and then get invaded by the country you invaded it likely wouldn't go over well.

>>65399070
The solution is demonetization of social media, they only do it because $50 a week in ad bucks is decent money for thirdies.

>>65399037
>source: trust me, bro

Why did Iran stop shooting missiles at Israel?

>>65399110
>demonetization of social media
The amount of retardation that this alone would fix.

>>65399124
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/06/us-iran-war-hormuz-trump-bessent-deal.html
If you ask iran its because trump is surrendering.

>>65399110
>The solution is demonetization of social media, they only do it because $50 a week in ad bucks is decent money for thirdies.
Naive retard. More than half of them are paid directly buy state actors such as ruslims to shill on their behalf.

>>65399167
>WAPO: Trump, Hegseth clashed at Camp David over Iran missile depletion concerns. Trump vented at Hegseth that he thought the munitions issue “had been fixed". Hegseth defended himself and blamed his deputy, Stephen Feinberg, for the shortages and for not ensuring Trump was fully apprised of the issue. The exchange underscored Trump’s increasing frustration with his defense secretary, who was one of the biggest early advocates for taking military action against Iran, convincing Trump it would be a quick and relatively easy win.
First of all
>unnamed sources
Second, lmao hegseth pointing to a rando serving under him and blaming him is exactly what he would do tho

>>65399037
Trump should have never stopped bombing back in March. He should have pushed through the momentary pain and kept degrading Iranian strike capabilities, if they had kept up with that timeline then Iran would probably struggle to launch more than 1 missile a day currently and could have brought them to negotiate seriously, which would have wrapped it up nicely right before midterms. But instead he chickened out, let them dig up and disperse missiles from their bunkers and get resupplied with anti-air from china and russia. It’s pathetic really. Now he’s going to go into the midterms with an absolute cluster fuck that will stain any good his legacy had.

>>65399211
Really it was fucked from the get go. Trump wanted an intact iran (hence the limited precision bombing) with no boots on the ground. That's a real tall ask when attackimg a nation that basically just has to not collapse and is willing to burn it's civvie populace to do so. What I find funny is that basically iran wants now is a return to the MOU, meaning a lifting of sanctions, getting paid reparations, putting a toll in place, AND dictates terms to israel. It's fucking unconditional surrender territory that they're demanding from the US, and trump is just cowardly enough to accept it.

>>65399110
Nah, the solution is to give people their privacy back
Without the mass harvesting of personal data it relies upon to function the entire social media hydra will wither and die

>>65399110
>The solution is demonetization of social media
You are a special kind of stupid.

The term "social media" was invented to explain how to make money from you by giving you sites like Facebook and Twitter. It's a marketing term. You may as well say "let's take the money out of advertising".

>>65399037
at this point it's either nuking iran's population centers or a ground invasion of some type probably to try and push the irgc away from the strait, i support nuking the population centers, but have no hope of it happening because trump is such a cowardly shit and owned by putin

>>65399037
Realistic answer: Never because you don't want to open that Pandora's Box.
If you need to: When there's a priority target that you want to hit as hard as possible as quickly as possible. Something like a large base, equipment depot, fleet in port.

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>>65399037
almost like you have to build global consensus for current day foreign policy
fucking retard

>>65399243
Anon, I think he's talking about how certain platforms like twitter now offer a direct cash incentive to users who generate revenue for the site, and how that's helped turn engagement bait into a cottage industry.

>>65399224
>Trump wanted an intact iran (hence the limited precision bombing) with no boots on the ground.
Yeah, you’re very right. His mindset from the get go fucked him. He was only considering the best outcome and only wanted to do the bare minimum to get there. Still even now he’s fucking around like Iran doesn’t hold all the cards. Dude should have taken Zelensky’s help the moment he offered it, dumped billions into drone interceptors and hardened defenses, and then promised Europe and the ME that billions of new arms and base contracts will develop from this conflict if they help out. Instead he told the Ukies to fuck off, didn’t change the posture of the troops stationed in the gulf even during the ceasefire, and then proceeded to call every ally in the region a pussy and told them the US could do everything without them (including that the US didn’t need bases in Europe lol). I would say hindsight is 20/20 but Trump has gone above and beyond to fuck over the chances of his own war to succeed. Bro expects everyone to suck his cock without him even reaching around once.

>>65399295
I believe the term is hubris, but yeah. I think he was high off the venezuela raid, which has been strategically an unmitigated success, and hegseth's crusader retard shit. Still, the MOU was an absolute fuck up of the most massive magnitude and the fact that it is now the point they want to get back to is fucking telling. I never thought I'd say it, but fucking obama made a better deal and we'd be lucky to have it back.

Who knows tho, he could always surprise me and meatwave marines at kharg island or something equally wacky. Dementia is a hell of a drug.

>>65399224
It's terminally fucked.
>start a war based on the retarded premise that the people you are bombing are on your side
>it turns out like anybody sane could have told you, a handful of liberals in cities are not revolutionaries
>Iran wipes out all their undesirables and now there will never, ever be a regime change in Iran
excellent play good job, I can't believe the Jews succeeded with their laziest psyop ever.

There are two ways out
>cede to all of Iran's demands, they own the straight of Hormuz, forever, and can do whatever they want with whatever elements they want, and they are DEFINITELY going to build a nuke now
or
>perform ground invasion and get the entire republican party lynched publicly
What a retarded fuck up. Imagine starting a war you don't need to fight, with a populace unwilling to fight it, over another nation's problems.

>>65399304
Order of events is a bit off here but raises an interesting alternate reality, big problem is the people in iran had already risen up back im january. Trump took action like 2 months after they were all dead. If he would have gone then, it might have actually worked.

>>65399037
Before hostilities even commence.

GENUINELY wtf does he do now
no one will accept Iran controlling the strait forever since they are obviously going to charge a bajillion dollars to ships operated by le great satan and its allies and develop a nuke as fast as fucking possible, but... no one seems to be able to have the will or ability to fuck them up hard enough to change the current state of things either.

>>65399314
"the people" were never a majority or close to it. They were not "the people" of Iran. That's why they're dead. There was a popular uprising in Iran. It overthrew the Shah, ended secular rule, and put the Ayatollah in charge.

For some reason Americans cannot understand, even after Afghanistan, that Muslims do not believe in freedom. Their values are fundamentally different. There is a non-negligible portion of Muslims who believe voting is haram in its entirety. No matter how many 50 year old pictures of women in bikinis get posted, it will not change this.

They were never the majority. They will never be the majority. Believing otherwise is wishful thinking and cope from Iranian Americans who have lived their whole lives in California.

>>65399224
>It's fucking unconditional surrender territory that they're demanding from the US, and trump is just cowardly enough to accept it.
Part of being a good leader is being able to take a hit to your ego to do what's best for your country.
The US can't afford another $8 trillion dollar, 20 year occupation.

>>65399319
Yeah sure, that's why they raged for weeks on end before the dedicated crushing dissent force managed to crush dissent. I don't buy it. I do buy that they're all dead now tho.

>>65399320
>Part of being a good leader is being able to take a hit to your ego to do what's best for your country.
Man that's the best counter argument to the point i had made, i concede. This might be a very long stupid fucking war.

>>65399263
The problem is this isn't engagement bait, it's propagandists setting an information space. Demonetizing does nothing since they're state actors. They're not doing this to get paid, they're doing this to flood open fora with retardation until some dumbass believes it and retweets it

>>65399331
>I don't buy it.
You can believe what you like. I've been there. There are (were) Iranians very dissatisfied with things there. I would equate them to America's terminally online leftists, though with more balls since they actually went and died for it.

They did not have popular support or any actual plan or capability. There were a lot of them. There were not more of them than the IRGC. That's why they're dead, because more support the government than oppose it.

>>65399304
>I can't believe the Jews succeeded with their laziest psyop ever.
To play the devil’s advocate for a moment, this war has been an unmitigated strategic failure for Israel so far. Iran is going to survive and will make the bomb, it will gain permanent leverage over the global economy, and it has now forced the US to force Israel to stop attacking Hezbollah right as the Israelis were on the brink of wiping them out.
Israel had a plan to reduce Iran to an ungovernable mass once it became obvious immediate capitulation wasn’t happening, hence why they were the only ones striking regime checkpoints, trying to hit any leadership that they could, and were the first ones to strike energy infrastructure unilaterally against Trump’s wishes. Meanwhile, Trump in his infinite retardation, couldn’t see the forest for the trees as the situation deteriorated and told the Israelis to STOP right at the inflection point where it might have been possible to degrade Iranian missile launch capability to a manageable level, then tried to negotiate with people that hate his fucking guts and think they are winning. So of course they didn’t negotiate and instead spent that time rebuilding and fortify their missile capability to the point that it will outlast US interceptors. Unironically, if Trump had listened to the Jews and gone total sicko mode with the air campaign he would be winning this war right now.

>>65399340
It's both. You have both actual psyop type shit and sites that've created the perfect incentive scheme for people to basically do it themselves.

>>65399335
I just don't see any way to salvage a victory here, every jihadist in the ME will race to Iran if Trump puts boots on the ground and thanks to cheap drones US casualties will be much higher than past ME adventures.

>>65399349
No, sunni shia hate runs waaaaaay too deep for that kind of unity. But I do think there would be a huge wave of casualties before someone bitch slapped hegseth out of power/just lied trump and did what needed to be done anyway. One of the dumbest things the man did was early on in his second term when he cut military aid to ukraine. He had the perfect chance to spin up the MIC learning from someone else dying but noooooo, gotta learn lessons with american blood.

>>65399349
>every jihadist in the ME will race to Iran
Probably not, since Iran doesn't want them and has the ability to get rid of them. Iran is Shia. They do not have many allies in other Muslim nations.
>I just don't see any way to salvage a victory here
It is very possible but not with America's playbook. Only 22% of Iran's population lives in rural areas (compare to ~75% in Afghanistan). Iran is already in a water crisis. All you need to do is shut the water off to major cities and the country is finished.

>>65399320
Except this isn’t the Iraq war where you can fuck off and let a bunch of tribal dipshits dome each other in the sandbox. Giving Iran the W gives them a level of control over the region and global economy they could have only ever dreamed about in their most absurd and far fetched wet dreams. This war, if the US lets Iran win, will end Pax American and probably cause the terminal decline of the US economy and US power. Trump is basically saying the US has no appetite for war, even for one that will cause the castration of the US on the global stage if it loses. It doesn’t matter if it’s an unpopular war that no one wanted, it’s one we have and will decide if the US has enough staying power to dissuade China or Russia from more insane actions in the future.

>>65399360
I think the problem is that to fully commit to an invasion we need the help of Europe and in their defense, why would they? Nobody was asked an no coalition was built to do this and given how Trump keeps being a faggot about NATO, that's even less of a reason. The only other alternative is that we essentially wait another year or so to build up munitions again but that's not exactly a great idea either.

>>65399167
So Iran cucked because there cope clusters did nothing to Israel.

>>65399317
boots on the ground

If trump has to choose between losing and saving the republicans from being fucked in the near future, he'll fuck the republicans

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>>65399037
only trump could start a fucking a war that no one needed (except his jewish buddies) and then straight up lose in less than a year. LMAO.

Trump took a genuinly winning hand in ukraine from biden (a senile boomer) in this global conflict and proceeded straight into a LOSS

>>65399374
We actually don't really NEED europe to do the expeditionary force thing, but it would be helpful. The interceptor shortage is frankly a problem everyone should have been working on since 22, and its shameful that it's taken this retardation to kick the mic in the pants. But still, its possible to do it, but it would be vietnam levels of bloody.

>>65399110
>The solution is demonetization of social media
nah the solution is unironically to stop using any social media without the express purpose of interacting with people you already know in real life

>>65399360
Israel and by extension Trump, don't want the straight open, they want it fucked permanently, that way when Israel builds and pipeline through Gaza, nobody will complain about they land grab and genocide, because theyll be an alternative safer route for oil.

>>65399352
Hegseth will be the fall guy but it's clearly been Netanyahu & Trump pushing the war the whole time.

>>65399353
>All you need to do is shut the water off to major cities
Problem with that is Iran made it very clear they will hit desal plants all across the ME if that happens. After that you would have complete collapse of the region, all oil would stop flowing from everywhere, a dozen terrorist groups would pop up and start blocking shipping.

>>65399360
>Giving Iran the W gives them a level of control over the region and global economy
Agreed and the best way to avoid that would be just pay reparations instead of having them recoup costs with tolls.
>This war, if the US lets Iran win, will end Pax American and probably cause the terminal decline of the US economy and US power.
Trump did that when he started sanctioning allies, it's already over.
>will decide if the US has enough staying power to dissuade China or Russia from more insane actions in the future
Trump has made it very clear he won't stop Russia and by saying he won't defend allies he's signalling to China that they can have Taiwan.

Lets say the US goes all in, 700,000 man ground invasion, what is the long term outcome? Is there no insurgency and the population accept a US puppet government? That sounds just as delusional as the original plan of killing 100 guys and hoping the country collapses into civil war.

>>65399384
Syria is already making a deal for a pipeline thru turkey, that doesnt make sense

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I'm disappointed in Iran like I am with Russia. They were hyped up as the final boss, but when push comes to shove, all they do is send fucking drones and empty ballistic missiles that damage a few planes. I would have thought they'd have leveled Tel Aviv by now and we could finally get a proper WW3 with a nuclear exchange. But of course that timeline is too fucking based for this clown world.

>>65399384
>>65399389
Ironically the Qatar / Turkey pipeline will be killed by Ukraine's victory as they have plenty of gas, are next to Europe and will be willing to sell cheap to rebuild.

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>>65399037
tbf, ive also been advocating for iranian genocide for the past 4 years; i just dont like them

>>65399386
>Problem with that is Iran made it very clear they will hit desal plants all across the ME if that happens.
Yeah, so you need to just not care if that happens. What would the British Empire have done?
>make a private company to run your own desal plants after the war is over
>impose a monopoly on this and seize control of water rights in the entire region
>demand a major stake in all oil operations
>prop up local monarchies that eliminate the jihadis with extreme prejudice

>>65399400
And what happened to the British Empire?

>>65399402
they kinda just gave up on running the whole world for no real reason. It hurt people's feelings or something.

>>65399397
>i just dont like them
I think the women can be very pretty sometimes. Don’t think I’d want one as a wife though.

>>65399404
>for no real reason

>>65399407
Yeah, that's right. They could have kept going. It's not like the jeets overpowered them and forced them out. The British just chose to stop.

>>65399402
They had to kneel to America or face financial ruin, and so lost control of the Suez. The British knew that was the nail in the coffin for the Empire.

>>65399392
I know, right? How utterly contained things have been in recent years kind of has me scratching my head. The geographical, military and political scope of everything since OIF has been a total wet fart.

>>65399360
>This war, if the US lets Iran win, will end Pax American and probably cause the terminal decline of the US economy and US power.
Donnie could've just let Obongo's deal stay in place, but the idea of letting the nigger have a W gives him the shits.

>>65399383
the problem there is that social media does its absolute best to prevent that kind of usage, such as shoving "curated posts" etc into your feed

>blockade
>wait until they collapse
Why wouldn't this work? They're already running into fuel shortages.
https://alhurra.com/en/30974

>>65399410
you're one uneducated, historically illiterate nigger, aren't you?

>>65399483
The longer the war goes the bigger the oil shortage. The bigger the global oil shortage the higher the gas prices are in the US. The higher the gas prices, the more opposition to this war from the voters.
>b-but we can ignore all that faggot civilian shit
Too fucking bad, wars are political contests propped up by civilian economic systems, started by political leaders who sometimes (like right now) know nothing about wars and are cowards without the gut to face any political difficulty. Deal with it.

>>65399517
>wars are political contests propped up by civilian economic systems
Meanwhile in reality, even without its water and energy crisis, Iran is enjoying an 88% rate of inflation, a 9.1% unemployment rate, 41% labor participation and 41% poverty rate.
But please, go ahead and tell us how paying an extra dollar at the pump is going to end pax Americana any day now.

>>65399381
>trump and Ukraine.
The really funny thing is even though trump betrayed the Ukrainians to suck more putin's dick more, the Ukrainians still managed to hold their own. And then when trump lifted sanctions on Russian oil to help putin fund his war of aggression as a result of the disastrous war against Iran, Ukraine obliterated russia's abilities to transport, produce and refine oil so now Russians have to deal with massive gas shortages and multi mile long gas lines.
As much as the sitution has changed, Ukraine still can't take Crimea back yet, but the moment a pro western president is back in the white house that fully backs Ukraine, watch the fuck out.

>>65399483
What will collapse first? Iran or the global economy?

>>65399200
>be Hegseth
>shit's all fucked up and Trump is mad
>look around you
>see Feinberg, some random jew
>blame him
Based as always.

>>65399483
>Why wouldn't this work? They're already running into fuel shortages.
Because a key problem is that the rest of the world isn't happy with the straight being closed, and being a world hegemon that predicated large amounts of your power on unrestricted 'freedom of navigaton' means you do actually need to take the global trade network into consideration. Getting a surrender in 7 years after the IRGC cannibalizes the last Iranian infant is still a defeat to US power because of the rest of the world suffering oil shock.

The simple fact of the matter is that a clean victory is very unlikely and the US needs to start calcuating for how to extract themselves from the quagmire Trump barreled into with minimal hurt instead of constantly digging a deeper hole with the hope we come out victorious on the other side, but Trump isn't willing to do this, obviously.
>>65399532
The problem is that the IRGC doesn't care and there's nobody capable of dislodging them without a boots on the ground invasion. They will fire a handful of rockets at whatever ships pass in the straight for as long as they have rockets, and they certainly look like they have an incredibly large amount. It's somewhat like insisting North Korea is going to starve any day now - even if true, it's irrelevant.

>>65399211
>and kept degrading Iranian strike capabilities
US basing and strike capabilities kept degrading faster than iranian ones, though.

The real issue was that trying to Venezuela 2.0 a country the size of Iran was absolutely delusional to start with, even before taking into account the vulnerability of the strait and that Iran had literally spent the last 20+ years preparing for the US to come at them. If you wanted to do this shit, it would've had to be something on the scale of Desert Storm, and nobody in Trumps government has the patience or the balls to take the political risks that would've come with that.

>>65399037
when you no longer care if nukes are used against you in reprisal

>>65399037
Nukes aren't real, dumbass

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>US scared of slightly higher gas prices because muh midterms
>US too scared to do anything but spam long range missiles which accomplished... not a lot desu
>yet peole STILL say that there will be an all out war with china if they get fed up with waiting and go for taiwan militarily

>>65399565
They didn’t though.
Most of you retards who keep screeching about “muh bases” make the assumption that a ballistic missile hitting somewhere in the vicinity of the base makes it unusable lmao.
Let me remind you these things have trash-tier CEP and can’t really hit the actual infrastructure with any measure of consistency. You’re dreaming up a fantasy land scenario where every single one of those missiles must’ve done something more than striking a piece of tarmac, when most didn’t.
Most of the bases that have been temporarily vacated have been done so because those governments wanted to remain neutral. I doubt that will last long because iran chimped out and attacked them anyway. They’re not “le degraded” they have been temporarily abandoned for reasons beyond your understanding.

>>65399245
Nuking population centers won't open the strait. It'll get the Iranians to bomb the desalination plants and drag the whole damn region into collapse with them, effectively rendering the straits inoperable for decades to come.

>>65399360
The problem is that staying power isn't a solution anymore. This whole thing has been FUBAR'd so hard that there is no realistic theory of victory anymore.

>>65399400
>Yeah, so you need to just not care if that happens.
Pretty hard to not care about gasoline costing $12+/ga at the pump. Also your plan is retarded. Building a desal plant takes years. By that point the region is beyond fucked. Your major stake in all oil operations? Hard to have a stake in something that doesn't exist anymore because the local population is either dead or has left the region.

>>65399565
Prior to the ceasefire Iran was only launching around 20ish missiles a day, a major degradation from the several hundred from the first few days of the war and would have kept decreasing had the US kept up pressure, meanwhile US and Israeli strikes never decreased in tempo. The bigger threat at the time (to US goals) was the shaheds since the US had no cheap anti-drone weaponry in theater and they were constantly harassing shipping and taking out very expensive US equipment for literal pennies on the dollar. But of course gay Donnie told Zelensky to fuck off when Zelensky offered to send drone interceptors with operators to support the US, and then Trump took the cease fire which allowed Iran to access buried missile stocks and disperse what was left without fear of US and Israeli airstrikes, which means it is now virtually impossible for the US to degrade missiles launch capabilities to a manageable level before interceptors run out.

>>65399532
pax americana exists because other countries believe it's the better alternative, even if they need to gargle murrican balls now and then
if it's no longer the better alternative - and clearly, being murrica's friend aint what it used to, and it's a worse deal every year - then everybody starts questioning why tf they're gargling any balls in the first place

>>65399592
And whos balls are they lining up to gargle, pray tell,

>>65399483
It wouldn't work because the global economy is gonna collapse faster and because thanks to how this all started Iran is fighting an existential conflict. Which means they're willing to keep fighting past the point of economic collapse simply because even that is better than what they expect to get if they lose.

>>65399576
My Brother in Christ, the closest operational US military base to Iran today is all the way over in freakin' Jordan. Everything in the Gulf states has been shut down and the personnel pulled off-base into freakin' hotels because of those iranian strikes you're trying to dismiss. And even the jordanian bases were starting to look like they would have to be abandoned during the last exchange.

>>65399576
>Most of the bases that have been temporarily vacated have been done so because those governments wanted to remain neutral.
Technically correct, and good job not mentioning why those governments decided they wanted to start being neutral after starting out the war as naked co-belligerents of the US. That being the US' inability to protect even those bases, let alone their host countries, from iranian strikes.

>They’re not “le degraded”
Well, yes, at this point they're flatly neutralised entirely, your giga-copium nonwithstanding.

>>65399604
>Iran is fighting an existential conflict
Will iran cease to exist if they can't charge a toll? America does not demand unconditional surrender. The demands amount to asking iran to do normal shit other countries do, which is follow maritime law and no nukes. Nothing about that is existential.

>>65399602
Most of Asia? China, obviously, after they do a funny and US does nothing.
Euros? Doing their own thing while doing their best to detach from decades of US dependence. Will take a while, but it's already underway.
Latams... fuck knows, their politics are too schizo for me to understand. I think most try to strike a balance between china and us to get the best deal from themselves, akin to third world countries during the cold war.
Africa is a chink colony already.

In short, there won't be a pax anything but local regions of influence. Which isn't necessarily bad for most of the world, assuming shipping will still be sort-of possible, but it's uncharted waters if you're the country printing the reserve currency for most of the world and suddenly the demand vanishes.

>>65399410
The Empire was politically and financially unsustainable after the Suez crisis, though losing India really didn't help

>>65399610
What's stopping America and Israel to rearm a while and trying this all over again?

>>65399617
How does a toll stop that from happening?

>>65399536
the Crimea thing is only a matter of time, It's pretty obvious that Ukraine has committed to a full on siege of the peninsula and is planning to literally starve them out

>>65399589
>a major degradation from the several hundred from the first few days of the war
Or rather, a major shift in strategy. Iran was panicking and firing everything they could in the opening days because that's what their pre-war planning was and because the damage to their chain of command meant everyone was operating independently under those contingencies. Then command and control were restored and the rate of fire was lowered - despite the CIA's assessment that the vast majority of Irans' arsenal remained intact and operational - because the Iranian leadership switched strategies towards a long war of attrition based around their ability to keep the straits shut.

Degrading Irans capabilities enough to change the overall picture without a full-scale invasion always was and remains pure wishful thinking.

>>65399617
It took israel over 40 years to find somebody dumb enough to start a war with iran for them. I doubt they'll manage it again anytime soon.
Also, you're kinda on the time limit since the only way for iran to be left alone is nooks and they will obviously go for them as soon as they can.

>>65399604
The IRGC isnt the population and them having to bus in their Iraqi proxies and Shia mercenaries during the last war shows they were scared shitless of being eaten alive by their own.
>>65399611
>Most of Asia? China, obviously
lol, lmao even

>>65399619
Inflicted enough pain that no one else will think of trying to go after them again.

Why can't America just pay war reparations if you don't want the toll to happen?

>>65399624
America has no shortage of retarded politicians. Those are easy to find.

>>65399610
Normal countries don't assassinate heads of state during negotiations.

>>65399628
>Inflicted enough pain that no one else will think of trying to go after them again.
How does that logic not apply to the current situation without tolls?

>Why can't America just pay war reparations if you don't want the toll to happen?
Are you even paying attention to what's going on? That's not what iran is saying. There is no deal where they will return the strait to pre-war status in exchange for reparations what the fuck are you talking about?

>>65399621
That's a given, since the Ukrainians are trying to make life miserable for the russian civilian occupiers to leave, but the amount of shit Russia still has stationed there would currently make taking it a meat grinder.
But once putin's puppet trump is out and the US switches back to the winning team where the next president will more aggressively support Ukraine, all bets are off as you said.

>>65399626
>>Most of Asia? China, obviously
>lol, lmao even
Ask literally anybody with half a clue how the countries in the region will realign if China goes for Taiwan militarily and US cucks out.
>but dey dun leek chyna
Most of latam dislikes US but they still largely do what they're told because they can't do otherwise. Chinks can make life very hard for everybody in the region if US is clearly not going to act as a counterweight and Euros are largely irrelevant there.

>>65399638
>where the next president will more aggressively support Ukraine
you dumbfuck euroaches just don't learn, huh

>>65399630
the key is finding a retard that doesn't have handlers around him 24/7 who represents interest that would be hurt by starting said war.

>>65399633
wasnt that israel?

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>>65399381
>U.S. can't be wasting its resources on Ukraine, because gotta focus on China
>goes off and wastes infinitely more resources on the fucking Iran lmfao

>>65399637
>How does that logic not apply to the current situation without tolls?

Because if everything goes back to the status quo America will come back and bomb them again. Something need to happen for Iran to establish deterrence.

>>65399646
A toll does not stop someone from bombing you.

>>65399651
Then keep bombing them and Iran will keep lobbing missiles at ships and forcing insurance rates to go up. Again, we just have to see if Iran collapses first or the global economy.

>>65399653
How is the global economy going to collapse? Shit will be more expensive, which everybody obviously blames on US, but it's not like the world will stop turning. Some thirdies in africa might starve, people will keep their cars for two years longer and that's about it.

>>65399641
Wildberries status?

>>65399651
You need boots on the ground retard
Bombing doesnt do shit without boots on the ground

>>65399646
>>65399653
>>65399646
Hormuz is a single use weapon, trying to weaponize it will end up with it loosing its importance in the medium and long term as land routes and pipelines are created and in the process facilitating a strong resurgence of a sunny axis which happens to have alot more global influence and much deeper pockets.
We're not in the 80s anymore, and coming on the heels of the Covid and post covid global shocks, its hardly a world ending threat.

>>65399657
And how does a toll prevent that?

>>65399653
irans economy is dependent on oil exports, right now with the sea blockade they cant get anything of it out, so how will they keep building missiles and drones without money?

>>65399573
Not like they will attack Taiwan anyway. It’s like asking for Ukraine+Iran in one package. Enjoy a gruesome island campaign combined with a naval blockade. The Taiwanese will simply declare the straits closed and no shipping company will want to risk their vessels getting sunk.
In a retarded kind of way Donald might just have saved Taiwan by showing the world that having more boats and planes than the enemy isn't guaranteed victory.

>>65399654
If no ship goes through Hormuz how much higher do you think prices will go up?

Every single desalination plant, oil and gas refinery in the Middle East is in range of Iran's missiles so what do you think will happen to the global economy if Iran really has nothing to lose and start targeting those?

>>65399658
>as land routes and pipelines are created
1) pipelines are sitting ducks for an adversary even less sophisticated than iran
2) you have no fucking idea about how much throughtput (and its cost) sea travel provides over land routes

>>65399658
It's a single use weapon but it's all they have at the moment and all they can use. Why not use it while they can?

>>65399664
>If no ship goes through Hormuz how much higher do you think prices will go up?
Idk, 30%? 50%? Why does it matter?
>Every single desalination plant, oil and gas refinery in the Middle East is in range of Iran's missiles so what do you think will happen to the global economy if Iran really has nothing to lose and start targeting those?
Not much. Total production in the region is ~20%, which is a lot but hardly "we literally cannot fuel our cars and the global logistics is an obsolete concept"
It's mad max tier apocalypse for that region, but frankly everybody living there is a cunt so I don't really care about them. Some thirdies in africa and poorest regions in india might starve, but they starve whenever there's not enough rain already so they're used to it.

>>65399664
>Every single desalination plant, oil and gas refinery in the Middle East is in range of Iran's missiles so what do you think will happen to the global economy if Iran really has nothing to lose and start targeting those?
muh nooks cope but for thirdies

>>65399663
>Not like they will attack Taiwan anyway. It’s like asking for Ukraine+Iran in one package. Enjoy a gruesome island campaign combined with a naval blockade.
Or they could just--
>The Taiwanese will simply declare the straits closed and no shipping company will want to risk their vessels getting sunk.
Wait, what? TAIWAN will be the one doing the blockading, not China? In what universe?
Chinks can easily stop all traffic to Taiwan, it wouldn't even be difficult. Taiwan would starve in months, if not weeks. They could destroy some chink ships but that's about it. Other countries in the region like Japan, Korea and Indogs certainly aren't going to war with China over it, which is why US being tarded atm is a death sentence for Taiwan if China no longer decides that doing nothing is the winning strategy.
>we could blockade the strait of malacca
Sure, but by the time Chinks start to starve Taiwanese would have long since finished feasting on their children.

>>65399070
>>65399110
If Elon were to drop the blue checkmarks, he would have to be much more aggressive about promoting his child pornography business.

Why can't America just say, fuck it, have the strait and go back home?

I mean, you'll still exist as a functioning country so why not just do it?

>>65399689
The US can leave but Israel will keep attacking Lebanon and Iran will keep attacking Israel.
The political reality is if Israel is being attacked Americans need to die to stop it.

>>65399689
i think that would have been the best call in the long term. after enough time, like a few years, iran's antics would piss off everyone else and there would be more support for bombing them to smitheroons, but trump has elections to worry about so i guess he's scrambling for solutions for here and now

>>65399696
Why? Just tell Israel you're on your own and keep going on with your lives?

>>65399696
I don't know, I haven't seen Israel being attacked recently.

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>>65399701
It's been about 20 days since the last strike, people are acting like it's been years.

>>65399711
Yeah, but you'd think if Iran were to attack Israel, it would be when they're attacking everyone else in the region.

>>65399698
>Why?
Because you have been priced out of controlling your politicians.

>>65399610
Iran wouldn't, but the IRGC and their revolutionary government probably would
they were already on the brink before they got all bombed to shit, if this ends without them getting some kind of serious economic compensation they might just collapse outright

>>65399698
>Just tell Israel
US politicians do not act against their employer, that would be a breach of contract

>>65399638
>but the amount of shit Russia still has stationed there would currently make taking it a meat grinder.
that's why they are starving them out
as is typical for sieges, the civilians will run out of food and water first but eventually even the troops will starve and Ukraine will be able to just walk on in, no American aid required

>>65399748
>if this ends without them getting some kind of serious economic compensation
Nobody around them has any incentive to give them any kind of compensation.

>>65399677
Mutual denial is the reality of naval campaigns in the modern day, the black sea and hormuz both prove that
Tiawan is even more capable of denying sea access with drones than either Ukraine or Iran and the PLAN is no US navy
blockading Taiwan is impossible, the PLAN would just be sending ships out to get sunk by USVs, UUVs, UAVs and good old fashioned anti shipping missiles

>>65399754
and thus the standoff over the strait continues

>>65399110
The solution is to teach people to vote based on better evidence than
>i saw it in the MSM / SM, it must be true

>>65399745
>>65399750
Isn't that why Americans have guns?

>>65399200
>Munitions issue had been fixed
Even if you did ramp up capacity you're still paying billions for it. Does trump think there's a magic button which let's you spawn infinite interceptors?

>>65399780
I doubt he thinks at all, his brain is clearly mush at this point

>>65399780
silly anon, thats a problem for the tax payer

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>>65399778
but anon, guns are just for some recreational shooting, maybe a competition, or hunting.

>>65399304
The iranian government is pretty unpopular. The retarded part is bombing shit like bridges makes them incredibly popular

>>65399677
> Wait, what? IRAN will be the one doing the blockading, not the USA? In what universe?
>Burgers can easily stop all traffic to Iran, it wouldn't even be difficult. Iran would starve in months, if not weeks.

>>65399037
If you have no strategic aims you will always face strategic defeat.

>>65399780
Damn, if only there were countries that were screaming for years for the license to produce interceptors, which would currently greatly alleviate the supply issue. If one only there was one country in particular that asked for this but you jewed out of a deal

>>65399784
One thing I'm shocked is rarely talked about is his age. He's the oldest US president to enter office. If you think Biden was old, Trump is going to be even older.

>>65399677
Amen brother.
It’s not like we just saw two much larger navies fail against a much weaker adversary. China has this one in the bag. Step aside USN and let a country whose last naval engagement was in 1894 show you how it’s done.

>>65399698
A perfect way to lose your AIPAC funding and have Mossad release all of theirs of vids showing you fucking kids online.

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>>65399802
It's not that you lose your funding, it will also be re-directed to set up attack ads on you, fund somebody directly opposing you and for setting up at least one candidate who just happen to share your exact name, on the off-chance that a voter might mistake that one for you on election day.

>>65399753
There's other factors to deal with more than russian troops being starved, but attacks from outside by russia's own drones, which is a big reason Ukraine isn't able to make any headway in reclaiming their stolen clay, and as much as we joke about russian air defense, they do have an intricate early warning system to deal with Ukrainian drones.
On the flip side, Ukraine have found a way to exploit it by punching holes in the russian system and then flooding drones through it before it can be repaired. Which is exactly what they're doing, which allows them to wreck havoc on supply lines, but it wouldn't be as effective for a prolonged operation.

>>65399315
Calm down Yamamoto

>>65399317
>>65399379
There's nothing he can do, there's nothing the Republican party can do. They won't let him put boots on the ground (at least not in any amount that would make a difference) as that would lead to a Democrat supermajority in Congress and maybe even un-ratfucking the SCOTUS which they have worked decades on. There are no allies left who will take the bullets for Americans, Trump belittled, insulted and betrayed them all by now.

The least painful option right now is to continue doing what they've been doing, which is flip between an impotent ceasefire and impotent military action to preserve the status quo. It's better than signing whatever deal Iran would agree to. This will only slowly lose Republicans support rather than cratering it overnight. When Democrats win the midterms start blaming them for this, when a new administration takes over, start blaming those guys for not solving it already.
If I could give advice, I would start preparing for the long game now, apologize to Ukraine and get them on board as they have revenge bloodlust for Iran and by now are world experts in fighting attrition warfare as cheaply as possible. Get their drone tech to maximize vessel passage safety at the lowest possible cost, and fucking let them build Patriot missiles so they can meet their own demand and maybe even your as well.
Of course Trump won't do any of this because of his ego and because of the ziggerphiles polluting his periphery, so he's gonna leave America playing the long game without developing the tools now to make the job easier for future administrations, basically fucking the country for his own ego, again

>>65399819
I understand that the game plan is to end Democracy and to straight up move to an oligarchic system where the rich no longer have to jump through so many hoops and maintain a facade of civility to get their way.

>>65399824
They tried fast-tracking that since they won, but Trump lost so much political capital in such a short amount of time that it seems we're back to the century long boiling the frog approach towards the russification of America. If Trump is planning a coup again, he better hurry up as after the midterms his administration will be completely frozen with investigations and 3 impeachments per week

>>65399819
the best option would be to get the Asians and Europeans mediate and take over the situation.
let them handle the negotiations (back to the deal Obama had), let them police and collect what ever toll ect. gets imposed on the strait, let them set the sanctions ect.
Iran would be a lot more eager to sit down opposite off Japan and Italy than kushner. they also trust them a lot more than the US/Israel. as a bonus it draws I those stakeholders to help keep things calm.
that does however mean that regime change and just bombing Iran into the stone age is no longer on the table and certain interest groups will be very angry about that.

>>65399834
He already showed that he'll ignore the administration and just bet on the courts working too slow to stop him.

Plus ICE is in place and has access to surveillance data, so his enemies can't run or hide.

>>65399263
Bruv, facebook just started paying me one day. I do nothing for it but I get like $4-$10 a month and IDK why.

It's amazing how America loses wars whole of my life, parent's life. Every war they lose and have shining city on the hill. Ass kicked by Best Korea? Post war boom 0% HP/AP loss on CONUS. Vietnam? Small gas crisis and some lost years of fucking around, then BAM 1980s HULK HOGAN FUCK YOU! Then america lose Gulf War 1 and have internet boom. Lose GWoT, dominate global economy. Probably fucking awesome to lose to Iran too and not one single american house blows up.

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>>65399872
Whenever a war blows up in the president's face, we always hear some rhetoric about "the end of the empire" and "Now the American people will FEEL the consequences" but it just never happens.

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>>65399037
>The Hormuz Letter
literally an engagement farming account that makes shit up

>>65399883
America is too big to fail

>>65399872
>ass kicked by best Korea
stopped reading right here, last time i checked there was a South Korea

>>65399883
The Great Anti-French Moat and the Siberian Strait are good for something, yes.

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>>65399037
>twitter post

>>65399896
worse
>it's a brown shill engagement farming twitter account
the shitters are sperging and posting "USA IS LOSING" threads on the daily because Iran is running out of options

>>65399903
Iran can wait and do literally nothing but toss a few shaheds at the strait and win, trump can bomb them and galvinize the public around the irgc, Iran still wins
Trump lost, america lost, you lost, your country is being colonized by jeets and pakis, your government is filled with women being ousted by subversive muslims, it's over

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>>65399037
Nice 'source' , jackass.
Into the >>>/trash/ it goes.

>>65399894
chat won't make a funny image based on this because chat will NOT disparage France, the French "people", French culture or stereotypes. Further, it will try to explain away my hatred if I myself say something about France.

>>65399910
And America can keep bombing the utter shit out of Iran with no public unrest or economic struggle. Iran as of right now can't even unilaterally shut down the strait, so what makes you think they would ever have unlimited control over it forever? You don't think we would just fund and build pipelines to bypass the strait anyway? (which is happening already because big oil recognizes Iran is a fucking retard bully that can't be trusted, ever). Iran can't just keep acting like a rabid nigger and shoot at anyone everyone for any reason; the entire fucking planet will come down on their head. No one has patience for a country that wants to keep shooting missiles in seemingly random directions.

>>65399572
Citation needed

>>65399824
>>65399834
desu i don't think these people really have a coherent plan. the megarich don't get rich by planning, they do it by ruthless, antisocial exploitation. they don't want to pay taxes even if the systems supported by those taxes allowed them to create their business, and they don't want to pay their employees even though consumers with money buying their crap is their income. they inherently don't concern themselves too much about how their actions affect society in the long term, because if they did, they wouldn't get rich that way. the reason they get rich is because other people don't exploit as hard as they do, which gives them an advantage.

every now and then these exploitative types get so rich and powerful that they overtake everyone else, and thus there is nothing left to exploit either. no one else is paying their employees either so their crap doesn't sell, no one else is paying taxes either so they can't run their business without the infrastructure crumbling down around it. society degrades as a consequence, and as we can see here and now in the US, it eventually weakens the whole country globally. political corruption, senseless deregulation, dying meritocracy, the poorer middle class, and the antics of the current administration mean that everyone in the US will be poorer now, even the megarich. i guess you could argue that it's all still good for the megarich as long as they get to remain rich, but historically it seems like even these people eventually flee the country when they feel it is too dangerous or grim to live in. though they will also lose most of what remains of their wealth and power when they do that, so it's all ultimately self destructive if you think about it.

>>65399037
>source
>trust us bro
The media needs purged.

>>65399951
>media
OP Fags shitter post is literally just a random brown

>>65399384
>build a oil pipeline through territories full of insurgents
How fucking stupid are you?

>>65399935
It didn't work in Vietnam it won't work here, youre a nation of fucking retards now, you destroyed your public education system and now trump openly gloats about pimping your esteemed universities out to 500 thousand or more chink students a year remember CHYNA, you're a conquered people and so blatantly stupid you don't even see it, your media is demoralizing propaganda, your food is poison and your once great people destroyed

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>>65399949
i didnt read any of this just to tell you that Iran was always destined to be bombed to shit. It is run by pedophile worshipping cultists who require unlimited power over their people. They are the one single major bad actor in the Middle East left. If they ever actually made a nuke, the Middle East would be mega fucked, not necessarily because they would blow up Israel (although they always threaten this) but they would have *almost* unlimited leverage. If they don't get their way, they could go NOOK NOOK and then get what they want. Iran is a dogshit country that would ally itself with China and Russia (they already do, or at least try to). Eliminating Iran's nuclear program and crippling their military is 100% justified and cool.

>>65399696
>die to stop it
>looks at Israel
I don't see any US troops in Lebanon or Gaza.

>>65399963
>They are the one single major bad actor in the Middle East left.
calm down moshe, iran goatfuckers will have ooks in 2030 because trump is a coward and then you'll be cucked out of any further adventurism
what's funny is that it was your own miscalculation that caused it

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>>65399957
>vietnam
pretty different scenario and time period but anyway
>America sucks ackshually reeee
ok so youre a dumb brown, we knew that already

>>65399963
Objectively correct, though retards will screech "DAAAA JOOOS" while completely ignoring all the steps Israel made in making peace with it's neighbors while Iran essentially created terrorist group after terrorist group.

the whole area south of turkey, east of china and north of madagascar should be uninhabited
I'm glad arabs, jews and iranians are all in agreement with my opinion

>>65399406
>I think the women can be very pretty sometimes. Don’t think I’d want one as a wife though.
The Persians in my grad program were cool, I'd be fine with it.
Obviously the only ones to consider wifing are ones who call themselves Persian.

>>65399963
desu i agree and thats why it was stupid of donnie and benjamin to go aggro on them without consulting anyone else. it was really a matter of time when everyone got tired of their shit. if trump wasnt a retard he could have asked around for support and get (non-american) boots on the ground and shit like that. the best thing israel could do is stop bombing children for 5 seconds and maybe run their usual psyops to make iran seem even more wacko than it is

>>65399872
>america lose Gulf War 1
Peak oil schizo, is that you? have you come back to me?

>>65399963
>It is run by pedophile worshipping cultists who require unlimited power over their people
but enough about USA

>>65399978
>if trump wasnt a retard he could have asked around for support and get (non-american) boots on the ground and shit like that
where from? nobody but kurds around there, and even they learned that they're nothing but catspaws when US needs some killin but will never get anything for their efforts
what other locals are there? saudis and their slaves? iraqi?

>>65399981
How about ask the Australians to invade iran they always seem like they love a good war

>>65399935
>Iran as of right now can't even unilaterally shut down the strait
Oh so transit rates are back to pre war levels again?
no?
looks like Iran can still unilaterally shut down the strait then

>>65399984
They're too busy simultaneously shitting their pants about chinese and also selling their country to said chinese

>>65399968
There's a greater percentage chance of you being brown than me, dummy
Whites can think plan and accomplish the tasks we set out before ourselves, which is why it takes a monumental amount of subversion and brainwashing to keep us down, our empathy is our weakness which faggots like you have exploited
You're a pilpuling tiny hat wearing turd colored skinned parasite posting what amounts to micro dick bragging about his cringe lifted pickup truck that no longer functions as it was intended, just a poster board for its insecurity

>>65399984
what's in it for us?
we don't need land, money or resources we have enough of everything already and are extremely averse to diggers dying for causes that do not directly benefit the Commonwealth

>>65399981
yes i mean the support isnt there right now, which is why i thought it'd be best to wait iran to piss everyone off. if they had closed the strait BEFORE trump had gone over there, things would be very different and all sorts of countries would be up in iran's ass about it. but now it seems like they are only fucking with the strait as a defensive action

it makes a lot more sense when you consider that this iran campaign isn't a calculated move of any kind, it's more like netanyahu's personal decades-old pet project that trump and co. took a shine to because they figured it was an easy W after venezuela

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>>65399963
>It is run by pedophile worshipping cultists who require unlimited power over their people.
You could at least have stayed on topic and pointed out that at least two of the Mullahs are married to MtF trannies, which is the primary current year reason to bomb them.

>>65399994
>if they had closed the strait BEFORE trump had gone over there
Why would they close the straight for no reason? They could've done that for a long time, but didn't, as they obviously didn't want to antagonize most of the world for no reason. They did so now because they can blame US for it and it's arguably their only real card to play
>things would be very different and all sorts of countries would be up in iran's ass about it
To the point of sending men to be murked? Iran is as close to un-invade-able as you can get, have you looked at a topographic map of it? How would US steer this coalition of retards? Give em a bunch of rifles and send them in a random direction?

>>65399979
>>65399893
You two are too autistic to recognize sarcasm.
Think about your life.

>>65399967
IRGC may very well be no more by 2030 lol. I don't even thing a Demoshart president is cucked enough to back off at this point.

>>65399819
your mistake is in thinking there is a good "side" in american politics, business, finance, or anything really

and that's why you're so easy to spot as either a retard, a jew (but I repeat myself), or a shill

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>>65400000
Daaaaaaaamn

>>65399980
>MUH USA SUCKS ACKSHUALLY
everytime

Nowadays you can just post a random twitter screencap and pretend its news.

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>>65400000
quints of truth

This has got to be one the most blatant thirdie slide threads I've seen here in years.

Do your fucking job jannies

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>>65400000
You can go through the Iraqi corridor. Brute force is always an option if the U.S of A weren't such bitches about casualties hmph

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>>65400032
That's not a realistic political option for Trump after running as an anti-war guy.

>>65399991
white people have a navy that can blockade Iran easily

>>65400030
>Save jannies!!! I can't defend my positions
Holy fuck you're pathetic

>>65400037
>implying
He's a cult leader, migabots will hear new position and realign their entire worldview around it in a day or two

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>>65400037
>anti war

do i even have to say it

>>65400000
>Why would they close the straight for no reason? They could've done that for a long time, but didn't, as they obviously didn't want to antagonize most of the world for no reason.
Iran doesn't care about antagonizing the world, they care about what the world may do about their bullshit. Iran tried to prepare for any major attack by using mines and drone boats. Iran wanted the strait (not straight) to be their trump card. It's not working that well. Iran is a bitch.

>>65400037
To be fair Trump talked about bombing the shit out of them since day one. For like ten years Trump has said this lol.

>>65400039
Whites gave up and said this shit isn't worth it, that's why your navy is staffed with browns, beaner
Remember how the beaner bitch brought a sat terminal on that ship so she could gamble on sports, completely fucking op-sec

>>65400050
this is true
a direct quote well known is
>I'm going to bomb the shit out of them

>>65400048
>Iran wanted the strait (not straight) to be their trump card. It's not working that well.
Given the schizo outbursts from Trump it's working well enough. It's not like they could meaningfully fight off US militarily no matter what, raising the price of the war until it was no longer worth it was always their strategy

>>65400053
Interesting post however America's navy is still second to none

>>65399037
What a moron.

>>65400050
The pro peace ticket everyone, look at this jewish pilpul lol, imagine saying stuff after promoting the propaganda about trump stopping twelve ears and after he bullied that lady into giving her nobel peace prize to him and then not supporting her bid to lead Venezuela, you must really get off sexually spewing such heinous pilpul in front of everyone

>>65400058
The whole world is laughing at you and calling you a paper tiger, trump exposed your ass and you still won't call him the traitor everyone knows he is for wasting so much of the American military for literally no gain

>>65400063
Wars*

>>65400063
>The pro peace ticket everyone
No red blooded american has ever cared about muh peace. The war isn't a problem, the war being incompetently waged is the problem.
Outside of a bit of performative screeching not even leftists had a problem with nabbing Maduro because it was successful. Iran... isn't, and there seems to be no plan whatsoever, so people aren't happy.
>>65400067
>for wasting so much of the American military
cal down sukdeep, wasting some missiles isn't that big of a deal even if there wasn't much gain from it

>>65400069
Your whole reality denying diarrhea spiel is brown coded nonsense, now shut the fuck up and put on your tiny hat and get in your cvck chair, beaner

>>65400069
Problem is Ukraine isn't getting the interceptors they need Kyiv is starving for them

>>65400076
You might want to look at a map and see where US is and where Ukraine is
Maybe euros should move off their asses if they want to bury ziggers in an once-in-a-century opportunity

>>65400080
I dont know what any of you currently in this thread are, but I am an actual natural born American.

Abandoning Ukraine was one of the worst mistakes and geopolitical blunders I've ever seen.
It basically told the world "We the US are dead and communism can take over, all those decades of muh freedom were bullshit, get fucked."
Fucking embarassing.

Now shut your retard mouth.

>>65399609
>after starting out
No, brownoi, they didn’t, your favourite shithole attacked a bunch of other shitholes for being neutral and now has the delusional conviction that this will make them like iran and not hate it even more.

>>65400080
Yea, this faggot is a fucking brown skinned tranny tard, they all use that igger lingo to out themselves

>>65399397

t. Saddam shitposting from Hell

lol US and Israel lost.

>>65400083
>muh commie boogeyman
good lord are you an actual boomer?
>all those decades of muh freedom were bullshit
it was always surface deep pr, what are you on about? it takes being staggeringly ignorant of history to think that muh freedom ever outweighted self interest. why do you think we're bffs with theocratic mudshit countries like saudi arabia or qatar? hell just look at iran, why did we fuck up Mosaddegh in 53 when it was lightyears ahead in "muh democracy muh personal freedoms" compared to its neighbors, or post-Mosaddegh iran for that matter?

>>65400096
Ohh it's a commie islamist tranny leftist, how progressive

>>65400067
>The whole world is laughing at you and calling you a paper tiger
hold on wait is a naval blockade and deep strikes a paper tiger thing to do? Is it paper tigery to turn a country's leader to paste? lolol
>wasting so much of the American military
not wasting anything but using

>iran builds a nook
>still can't use it without catastrophic retaliation
Okay, they're just going to keep training their enemies at catching their pussy rockets then. Missile interception is really important for serious militaries atm.

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>>65399245
>order use of nuclear weapons on Iranian civilians in a war you started
>Trump and Hegseth immediately get deposed in a coup by the Army because allowing them to start using nukes unprovoked would be essentially guaranteeing an uncontrolled global nuclear arms race where a catastrophic nuclear exchange is a mere matter of time and a literal Second American Civil War would a more preferable outcome to that.

>>65400083
and yet Ukraine is doing fine. Fucking retard. The US does not have an obligation to give Ukraine every single thing it asks for.

>>65400112
Especially if most of europe is still sitting with their thumbs up their ass

>>65400106
oh so we're at this point where it's assumed that goatfuckers will be allowed to get nukes? great
>>65400107
we'll get an uncontrolled global nuclear arms race anyway in the next decade or so, euros are disillusioned with murrica and don't want russia to get uppity, worst korea, japan, indonesia and maybe even malaysia want insurance against chinks, iran will obviously push for nukes which makes all the other gas station countries push for nukes, it's going to be a total shitshow now that US is no longer interested in being global cop

>>65400103
You naval blockaded a strait that was already closed, your bragging about something that makes you look retarded and Iran look reasonable because they want to supply china with oil, so you're stregthening ties between Iran and china, which shouldn't be possible, youre a fucking moron
All your responses make America look dumber and dumber

>>65400112
>>65400119
Ohh look the russian cocksuckers feeling strong enough to crawl out from under their rock, searching the site for any mention huh look who turns up, fucking roaches

>>65400131
>You naval blockaded a strait that was already closed
yes, I'm American and even I think saying "y-you can't blockade us, we blockade you!" was the dumbest, most 5-year-old thing ever.

>>65400003
>merely pretending

>>65400144
I'm not your mom's boyfriend or your step daddy who's pumping her full of niglets, I'm white and think you race mixing stalinist cvcks are subhuman

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>>65399037
arrest this leaker!!!

>>65400164
its funny cause its probably vance who is leaking and he is the one guy they can't do anything to.

>>65400134
I only hopped into the convo when someone started bitching about how America did the sinful and abondoned Ukraine, calm down

>6th month of 3 day special Persian operations
Kek. Like senpai like kohai. Will Yankees start painting white A's on their vehicles? Will we start calling them Ainals? Stay tuned.

>>65400131
>cucking China out of Iranian oil is cucked
lmao thurdies are delusional. They cannot get their talking points straight. I don't even think the strait has been completely closed once nigga lmao Iran cannot block it at will. The USA can literally turn your leader into red gore and rape your ships and military meanwhile China does nothing and loses.

>>65399037
>a US official
>an ally close to Trump
When will we find a solution to the journo question?

>>65400191
the journo heard from a friend who knows a guy who's distantly related to someone close to the matter who heard a rumor from someone who walked past the White House one time

>>65400176
Whatever you say you retarded tranny muttaloid

>>65400143
And I used Engrish syntax because it makes my life so much easier on a daily basis to devolve language. 101% srs.

>>65399037
Hasn't he broken the ceasefire himself like 3 times now?
Waht fucking deal?

>>65400168
why would vance do something so obviously antagonistic to trump's inner circle

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Why not just take the longer route around africa?

>>65400246
yeah what I say is correct and youre coping

>>65400271
There is a power struggle within the trump admin between the vance and the thiel ghouls and rubio and his neocon gang. theres also different opinions and also people like witkoff and kushnur who want to make money

>>65400271
There's an internal struggle to be Trump's successor, and Vance thinks the Retard Tucker Carlson Foreign Agent Fake Right is his path, which is also why his name and face were all over the cease fire (and why Rubio and Hegseth were happy to let him attach his fortunes to that albatross).

>>65399392
I forgot they even struck Tel-Aviv.

>>65399588
>Building a desal plant takes years.
And?
>By that point the region is beyond fucked.
Even better.

>>65400164
This senile old fag needs to go like Biden did.

>>65399200
>jew handler tells hegseth everything is fixed and missiles are infinite
>fox news host buys this of course and brags to trump and media about it
>trumps jew handler tells him to attack iran cause “it will be just like venezuela and you will end the unendable conflict in one swift attack!”
This is exactly how it works

>>65400271
Trump’s inner circle consists of competing factions vying to fill the rapidly approaching post-Trump power vacuum. The factions seem to be 1) classic neo-conservatives like Rubio, 2) Heritage foundation/Peter Thiel acolytes like Vance and Russ Vought, and 3) Trump sycophants/MAGA true believers like Hegseth. They’re all at each other’s throats behind the scenes.

turdie thread

>>65400443
Elaborate

>>65399211
>united government
>united people
>higher post-secondary education rates than the USA
>Innovative strategems and tactics compared to decrepit Sardaukar-like DoD
You were getting gaped by the Iranians. We all saw it. They took out 20% of the world's natural gas supply for the next five years back on March 18, and that was exactly when you pussied out, and the cease-fire began because the US economy is ponzi scheme of repackaged debt with little manufacturing.

Here's a DoD glowie explaining how you lost before you start screeching I'm brown or whatever:
https://youtu.be/khtWPycU-PA?si=W6Z3IIyYuoVayDf_

>>65400378
>jew handler tells hegseth everything is fixed and missiles are infinite
how is that plausible when heseth's day job is to be kept apprised of military capabilities by people whose day job is to count munitions.

At this point this is just a /pol/ thread for people who hate going on /pol/
Jannies clean it up.

>>65400562
>at this point
It was a fucking /pol/ thread since OP

>>65400565
Whatever it is its full of people who are too chickenshit to talk politics with people interested in talking politics and want validation for opinions you could find on reddit by hiding out in a thread on a slow blue board.

>>65400562
>Thread about nuclear war becomes political
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!?

I remember months ago before the ceasefire there was a concerted effort to push a concern troll narrative of Trump resorting to nukes being imminent, but I don't know who really benefits from that. Russians trying to justify tactical nukes in Ukraine?

>>65399622
Lmao. I think Trump is losing this war but that’s just massive cope on your part. The major change in plans was the fact Iranian missile crews and launchers were getting wiped left and right. Do you think Iran only wanted to launch a dozen missile a day as the US and Israeli launched thousands of sorties a day? Only a turdie could look at Iran’s asshole being gaped open and think “yeah, this is going according to plan.” Trump was a major bitch and had Iran on the ropes back in April and had he been enough of a leader to swallow a few months of super high oil prices and a hit to his popularity with his base he could have walked away from this fight probably with a decent deal with the Iranians and the US’s honor still intact, but instead he got scared and now Iran knows they need to just survive the night in whatever shape they can to win. Iran was and is tactically losing this war, but strategically they have all the cards since Trump has shown he isn’t willing to go the distance and finish them off.

>>65400584
Ah theres the low t snark anyone with a room temp IQ can see through too!

>>65400303
Don't forget the post humanist tech oligarchs, the money alone makes them major players in any debate involving the kings death

>>65400553
Its really easy to lie to a drunk

>russia sends meat wave after meat wave against ukraine
>america has no boots on the ground in iran
>"hur dur it's the same thing, America will collapse tomorrow."
lmao

>>65400539
interesting however it seems Iran can't keep the strait closed

>>65400587
>Russians trying to justify tactical nukes in Ukraine?
Yeah basically. But it’s never going to happen since Trump won’t even hit Iranian energy, water, or transport infrastructure with conventional weapons. Not even a token nuke being tossed at the enriched uranium sites seems likely do to the wider geopolitical implications (now Russia and China could point at that strike as precedent when they use tactical nukes on Ukrainian and Taiwanese military sites) and Trump’s lack of stomach for a wider war. But I’m completely fine with that, I’d rather see the conventional bombing be taken to its full potential and hope nukes are not even a real topic of discussion during Trumps military meetings.

But honestly I could see the Israelis dirty bombing the sites of enriched uranium if Trump capitulates and surrenders.

>acceptable

This is /k/ so I think you actually mean productive.

Never. It's not about the use today but the use tomorrow and the day after that. In a modern context every state has an interest in punishing first-use no matter how justified which nullifies its strategic effect. In every war game with peer-opponents the 3-star down will request the use of tactical nuclear weapons on their front but that is not the only dimension wars are fought.

>>65399536
>taking back Crimea
with who? Fresh 18 year old meat off the streets of Kiev? Lmao

>>65400678
Its the Kherson situation scaled up ten fold. Either Russia will bleed itself dry trying to keep it or they'll withdraw to not dry up AA, men and supplies for the broader fronta

>>65400678
well you see that's why the Ukie posters hate America so much; America won't fight their war for them

>>65400678
NTA but were you homeschooled? How can you not be aware of peace agreements that included handing over land without actually taking it by force?

>>65400539
>a fellow based pax enjoyer
en chanté Monsiur annonieme, moi je suis aussi un anti-Dreyfusard

This entire war is so fucking retarded it's unreal
Genuinely an international embarrassment of the highest order
This wasn't an unwinnable war, and still isn't, but you can't fucking win a war that you refuse to commit to fighting
It's just so fucking frustrating to watch how incompetent these >people are

>>65400678
>no power
>no fuel
>no water
The zigroaches are already leaving Crimea without Ukraine sending a single soldier there.

>>65400705
War = profits

>>65399037
Never

>>65399070
>>65399110
Good goys

Two more weeks.

>>65399872
>korea
>gulf war 1
ror, rmao even

what got blown up now?

>>65400164
>its not true!
>also arrest this leaker!
Truth confirmed

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>>65399070
>the Goybussy Letter
The wat now?

>>65399037
Lmao, not as a hissyfit because you lost an optional war where the major negative effect is loss of face.

The only sensible use of nukes is as a deterrent, i.e threaten to nuke bsck if others nuke you (or if they otherwise threaten you with annihilation)

>>65400372
>This senile old fag needs to go like Biden did.
Biden was a pretty humble guy and he took some convincing before he agreed to step down.
Imagine trying to get Trump to put the nation first.

>>65400553
>how is that plausible when heseth's day job is to
Is it possible that he's bad at this job?

>>65400965
Even among the DEI crack team Trump picked from god knows where for his second round, he stands out as a total LOLcow.

Remember - Opsec is green.

>>65399360
You know that and I know that, but Trump sure as shit doesn't and the few retards around him that can still see reality are too fucking broken to do shit about it

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>>65399689
they can but it will cost them
a strategic defeat that big, coupled with abandoning allies, will hurt confidence in American power
if the gulf arabs conclude the us can't or isn't willing to protect them or keep a critical trade route open, they'll turn to china
while iranian tolls will jack oil prices up

it will be expensive, as the US can only afford its trade deficit and debt because the dollar is the worlds currency, which it can borrow cheaply. that rests on confidence in american power and alliances.
even a dent in that confidence would mean higher interest rates, multiplied across trillions in debt and a permanent deficit.

>>65400877
>lost gulf war 1
the fuck? That was a shitstomp beyond measure. Saddam was crippled.

>>65400044
Given that trump gets shit and openly booed on stage any time he sayings anything about his covid measure or not kicking on specific shitskin immigrants for some reason I don't think you know what a cult is. He lost support almost instantly when he did the kikes a favor with Iran. He absolutely could drop nukes on Iran and get away with it, but only if it was part of simultaneous strike package on Israel.

Everybody hates the jews, albeit for mutually exclusive reasons, because the jews fuck with everybody's shit.

>>65399037
2 more weeks
You dont understand. Iran has a secret final flag they havent raised yet