Anyone buy a suppressor today?
>>65421490no :'(t. commiefornialive well without me boys
>>65421490No. t. New YorkerOne day soon, freedom shall ring. Supreme Court, hear my plea!
No. Coloradofag>t. Trying to find that guide outlining how to gain residency in South Dakota by staying in one of their state parks for a night.
>>65421490No, because form 3 rules aren't clear yet and my ffl isn't comfortable just releasing it until they hear back from the ATF. Silencer shop may be selling, but the ffl's are too nervous about their license to handle the products.
>>65421490Why not make? It's legal to make firearms.
>>65421508Same, I dont even want a can, I want a mag fed SBS
NC fag here. No. Emailed the state AG for clarification though but im assuming its business as usual
>>65421490nomy LGS isn't doing anything until they get more information. and it sounded like everywhere else was doing the same.
>>65421541>>65421647Same. Seems to be the state of things. Called my primary and 4 other FFLs today. They all said they’re waiting on more information.
>>65421539You cant obtain residency in SD via that and buy a firearm. When staying at a park you are given a PMB (postal mail box) temporarily and can get an ID from that.However, we are specifically briefed by ATF to not give postal mail box addresses guns because they are not actual physical addresses. Big no no. Like giving a gun to a PO Box.t. SD FFL
>>65421647 (me)wait, I just checked the facebook for another one of my local stores and they say they're doing the 4473 for cans.
yeah
>>65421753what should i draw/paint on it
>>65421755Benis
>>65421755
>>65421755Just wrap it in /k/
>>65421490I'm considering pulling the trigger on a PTR VENT Spiritus 5.56i but just coincidental timing, has nothing to do with the ruling>t. state law requires a suppressor to be "legally registered" and possessed in accordance with federal lawMight convert my rifle to an SBR thoughbeit considering there's nothing preventing me from legally doing that now
No, but I'm 1 week into waiting for my CAT MOB.
Michigan waiting for my form4 from 7/14 to clear still. I was a retard and did a trust with 1RP because I didn't bother checking wait times. I hope this doesn't somehow fuck me over, like the ATF stops processing applications or some nonsense.Michigan is a cuck state though so we're not getting SHIT
>>65421927>>65421933Also got a MOB. Or will, whenever they get off their asses and give me the fucking stamp. Ap5?
>>65421490>>65421612Where to buy baffles and make own? Prices seem to be fucked up lately
>>65421890Paint it in the yotsuba b color scheme
>>65421490No but my form 4 was approved today. Just waiting on 7 day CLEO hold before Capitol Armory ships it. Full size Velos btw.
>>65421938Yup, with frt of course. was about to pick up a ap5k but it was the version with no threaded barrel or tri lug
>>65422033Full size is better suppressed anyways. The last piece I need to complete this is the can and I'm sick of fucking waiting. Can't believe I fucked up doing a trust instead of individual and transferring it after.
>>65422033>>65421938You won’t be disappointed, boys. I put a .45 can on my AP5-P so hopefully the overbore will reduce the backpressure a bit. Runs well with ASD arc fire and 90 degree LP for me so far.
>>65421753>>65421755Explain.
>>65422236you may be too young, but before the "solvent traps" that are undrilled suppressors the original solvent trap was a threaded adapter to attach an oil filter to your gun's muzzle to catch oil spatter when cleaning it, unless you accidentally shot it while doing so making it into a cheap disposable suppressor.
>>65422175I've already got an old octane 45 can on it, I just wanted something with a little less blow back and something a bit quieter. I reload my own round nose 147 grain and even with with the octane45 you can mag dump them comfortable without hearing protection
>>65421508Same. Obligations keep me from leaving. But one day, we shall have true 2A.
>>65421490Kansas but im poor so they're always going to be too expensive
>>65421490Nope. Ohio is for losers.
>>65422489
>>65421490Not a single fucking pussy SOT within driving distance of me will go along with it. SilencerShop should have threatened to remove their kiosks if they didn't comply.
I went to Silencer Shop today to try and go home with a can, but it turns out they don't actually sell cans that you can get at their store - they require transfers to FFLs (unless you're a ChudToober politician ofc). They said the only FFL they know of selling cans with just a 4473 was down the street. I stopped by the FFL and they were in fact selling cans with people walking out with them. However, it only applies to cans the FFL got from Silencer Shop. I didn't see anything I really wanted or didn't already have, so I didn't buy anything. Lot's of people were buying though. I did get some stickers from Silencer Shop though.
>>65421656The work around is to get a box at a UPS Store, since they use the term "suite" rather than "box", and it's legally a physical address. The suite exists, it just happens to be 3x9x13 inches.
Am I claiming the first day one sub 26" oal, 15" barrel rifle on /k/? I've had the kit for a week but the barrel wrench came in earlier today.
>>65422700first i've seen, congratulations!
>>65421950Fn49 or Fn5 3d print. Noobs.
>>65423527Fucking autocorrect. Ftn4 or ftn5
>>65422667Doesnt work lol
3d printing one for my 22 today. Will post updates.
Fuck buying supressors, the real question is can we MAKE shit now?! Apparently the marking requirment statute was NOT enjoined so if we're covered by the injuction we can make SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors but they still have to have a gay cuck number?! Law niggers please explain.
>>65421490No, because I'm stuck in Idaho until Saturday (lovely weather you guys have up here, btw). When I am once again under the Lone Star I will be looking for my nearest SilencerCo kiosk. Anyone know a good can for an RFB?
>>65423580You always could have SBR’s. They’re called “AR PISTOLS” lol
>>65423590You know what I mean you stupid nigger
>>65423580https://youtu.be/3PR5j5TEBek?t=476it's still being hashed out
>>65423580Just stamp random shit so it'll look good to someone at a cursory glance>JOHN Q ANONYMOUS>1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE WASH. D.C.>SERIAL NO. 00001
>>65421490No, I'll wait until the artificial value goes away.
>>65422514I actually did that with my mark 1 and a 2 liter soda bottle once. Wrapped the whole thing in duct tape and then cut a notch into the thing that lets the cap screw on. The. I duct tapes that. Took it out to a dirt road at night and only shot it a couple times. Worked pretty well since I also used subs. Then I took it home, shot it in the dirt of my backyard and realized "oh shit it's loud now". I scrambled back inside scared shitless and threw that bottle away after cleaning it
I want to make one, a simple "vintorez-esque" integrally uppressed 9mm ar, attaches like a tubular handguard, but with insane volume to make the shitty design more effective. Think 3" OD by 24" length
can I get a QRD on what this means for Wisconsinites? I am hearing contradicting opinions
>>65421490
>>65423686current thinking is WI state law still requires a form 4
>>65423686your state law prohibits suppressors with nfa registration>>65419187
>>65421612Got a design in my head for a compact printed reflex rimfire can, just gotta sit down and CAD it up, my printer wants some action.
>>65423698without*
>>65422514
>>65423698>>65423701what does that mean?buy now or wait?
>>65423633Shrewd. I endorse your Judaism
>>65423714State law > GCA.
>>65423717can you explain it without acronyms?im not a gun nerd
>>65421753>>65421755How is the accuracy? I have always wondered if the metal would have a little elastic deformation and strike every bullet.
>>65423714if you want to go through the business as usual form 4 process with all the paperwork and fingerprinting and what not you could get one now. or you could wait until your state law changes, which might happen, people are lobbying for it in various states.
>>65423711maybe not>>65423598
>>65421490Asking Burt or any anon with can knowledge please : I want a B&T suppressor for picrel, do I need the "classic" Impuls IIA special USP (unobtainium, preorder only), or is the far more modern in stock Impuls OLS (not USP specialized) better/good enough ? I'm a euro, so my options are either said B&Ts or ATEC PMM6 (USP model unobtainium, also preorder only).
>>65423719DCFA w/o any SNRF. Simple as...
>>65423719If your state says to follow nfa then you have to. If your state says it doesn't like Texas then you don't have to. The ruling states that the federal government can't enforce for the certain plaintiffs, but if states follow NFA then you can't do it
>>65423719Literally just dont worry about it. Do whatever you want. Laws exist only by faith. If people stop believing in them, they dissappear. Every gun owner who uses the internet now thinks that all DDs except for MGs and .50+ are legal, therefore they are legal.
>>65422664>it only applies to cans the FFL got from Silencer Shop>"these freedoms only apply to us"...In TOTAL VIOLATION of the Equal Protection Clause, Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. But... THAT will have to wait for the courts.
>>65423794>Laws exist only by faith. If people stop believing in them, they dissappear>just like lies, money and debtFucking wacko.
>>65423822He's not wrong but you need a lot of people ignoring the same law together, so many the state is powerless to stop it.I have been to a few anti-Israel protests and commited "hate speech" with 20,000 other people while staring at a line of riot cops.Try that on your own and you get fucked, do it in a group so large there is an economic impact from arresting you all and they can't.
>>65423719When SHTF and we have TEOTWAWKI in the USA then IDGAF about ATF enforcing the NFA or GCA BS. My EDC BOB will have a FA SBR TBQH.
>>65423835Ah yes, "mob rules". But consider the following:>"a government of laws, and not of men", John Adams
>>65423836LOL BATFE, USPTO, USFS, USPS BTFO!
>>65423698>mfw PAWhat's weird is our laws say you "mudt comply with all NFA regulations" for the fun stuff. If the NFA no longer requires said paperwork and forms, does that mean PA can just get shit like the other cooler states?
Yes and I have to drive up to Oaks this weekend to get it. I got a Rugged Obsidian 9 for my Beretta 80x
>>65423884When the government selectively enforces the law on a whim we cease to be a government of laws"Shall not be infringed" is crystal clear and ironclad, yet here we are
>>65423901>a road trip>a suppressor>a pistol in the car>a cooler and a 12 packFucking based. Might as well rent a hooker to give you a blowjob on the drive up! Always remember, you don't pay them for sex, you pay them to go away.
>>65423906Nothing in the constitution says I have to pay taxes for an airforce, muchless a space program, yet here we are.
>SCOTUS allowed "shall issue" concealed carry in all 50 states>they're going to kill feature/mag bans in October>DOJ allowed SS/FRTs>DOJ is now killing the NFAAre we living in the best time for guns now?
>>65423929Nothing there says you cant thoughBut we have an amendment that specifically protects the people's rights to keep and bear any and all arms, yet they pass laws in defiance of it.
>>65423935Yes, and what you neglected to mention is what underlies all that finally happening: popular sentiment has grown increasingly pro-gun, especially among younger generations. Shooting sports were once a relatively niche hobby and self-defense was something a lot of people living in comfortable neighborhoods couldn't even dream of needing; now with the internet and 24/7 news cycle, a lot more soccer moms are realizing that maybe it's actually not such a bad thing if their husbands have a way to ventilate trespassers.
>>65423935If you like cheap ar15s and glocks and nothing else, yes, this is the best time to be a gun ownerIf you like literally anything else, milsurps, fudd sporting weapons, etc, its never been worse
>>65423900the lawyers i've heard talking about that said it could be you are complying by doing nothing, or the prosecutor could say you were still able to do a form 1 or 4 and chose not to. https://youtu.be/jf9lx1frIsY?t=672he's a lawyer and guntuber, but not specifically a gun lawyer and gets a few things wrong in this video but this is the distilled bulk of the subject.
>>65423948>sporting weaponsWhat the fuck are you talking about? There are so many sporting weapons of all types and of all price ranges these days it's incomparable. Like are you fucking retarded or something? Milsurp is the only thing that's actually worse compared to years past.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/blog/nfa-challenge-lawsuit-ruling.html
>>65423950Yeah, so it's basically a giant "I dunno" for now. I guess I'll just lay low and see what happens. The good news is a Form 1 takes only 5 days now, versus the ludicrous 100+ day wait due to the Virginia rush.
>>65423947But all the opinion writers and the comment sections on NYT told me everyone hates guns.
>>65423953All new hunting rifles and shotguns are gay and lame, plastic, matte, ugly pieces of shit Even the 2k Belgian model 70s still have worse quality metal finish and wood than the pre 64sRemington is deadMossbergs retrograde with fake walnut veneer and ugly "phosphate" finishNO manufacturer can do a good bluing jobSo if you like savage and ruger slop rifles, guess one could be happy
>>65423948Anyone who holds this retard opinion deserves the feeling of walls closing in around them that they have
>>65423973What has gotten better/more available post 2000 other than glocks and ar15s? Literally nothing
is silencer tech going to be big round monster can size suppressors like in the uk now?
>>65423923>given a w*man money for any reason, everno thank you. I'd rather buy more silencers and 9mm ammunition
>>65423711not anymore
>>65423935Yes, despite the constant black pilling gun laws have been doing nothing but improving since the federal AWB expired during Bush II>unless you live in a blue state hellhole
>>65421508>>65421516>>65421539No fucking shit you didn't buy a can, you all live in ban states. Why even fucking answer
>>65423989Absolute fucking retard. No I am not gonna tell you either, you deserve misery pleb
>>65423586Barely any of the SS kiosk dealers will do the transfer without a Form 4, it's a big nothingburger for now.
>>65421490I'm going to buy one next weekend once our local FFL unfucks himself. -t. Louisiana
>>65424173I wouldn't count on any dealer taking the risk for at least another 60 days
>>65423900Same here, anon. Good thing I'm between stamps ATM.>>65423959>The good news is a Form 1 takes only 5 days now>[pic]The ATF estimate for eForm 1 individual is 60 days. In reality and locally, everyone has gotten 80 day eForm 1s.
>>65423989mostly plastic guns are improving in leaps and bounds
>>65423945>keep and bear any and all armsWhere is muh nuke!!
>>65424206>he doesn't have his own secure warhead stockpileSHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>65424218>secure warhead stockpileSecure warheads don't exisist.
>>65424222secure is an adjective modifying the noun stockpileilliterate ass nigga
>>65424195There's a bunch of reports on reddit and some other forums that form 1 is down to like 5 days.
>>65423948I want to ejaculate in your mouth until you suffocate for being so retarded
>>65423962This you?
>>65424169Photo ops aside where is anyone even being allowed to acquire these cans with just a 4473? Like wtf is this?
>>65424202What are the springs for?
>>65424252Ray's in Dallas allegedly sold over 300 cans yesterday and a friend of mine just picked up a spectre 9 and a TB 556 can today on their 174th 4473 for today. They said they sold 70 sico sparrows yesterday.
>>65423962>there have been no developments or advances in sporting rifles>sporting rifles are now made of light weight and durable space aged materials with advanced anti rust coatings and I hate it
>>65424279Theyre uglyNo reason they cant do an attractive polished nitride miracle coating on the metal parts, they're just too lazy A pillar bedded walnut stock is just as sturdy as laminate or polymer, except it actually looks goodAnd not just the material but the shape of stocks are awful. I hate Monte carlo cheekrests, no reason you cant put a traditional horizontal comb at a proper height for scope use. also doing literally anything other than fine checkering, all these gay ass finger grooves and shit. I wouldn't mind polymer stocks if they would make them with good proportions. Literally just scan an old A.O. Niedner or Griffin and Howe stock or something in CAD and make it out of plastic>>65424248Yes
>>65423989Barrel ban on kits is gone. Picked up some sweet kits and building them out.
>>65423700Go for it. Check out the ftn on odysee. If doing any metal bits they have links and recommended parts so can keep the same metal parts.for ease of acquisition an longevity for key areas and notes on what worked or didn't.
>>65423948Milsurps is like the only part where you're right at all, and besides fag import laws, there's embargoes on some shit.>>65424244I'll hold him down for you.
>>65424272Nielsen device I think
>>65424195I've gotten next day form 1 silencer approvals on batches of like 10+ forms this week, twice.
>>65424195>>65424449From alot i've seen the long form 1 times are mostly for people with trusts set up, which sucks since trusts makes the paperwork so much easier.
>>65424455If anything I'd think trusts would make the paperwork much harder as you have to submit responsible persons forms for each person on the trust and all the trust documents which then have to be verified by the examiner. With eForms as an individual, filing for a form 1 silencer is stupid simple and I can do it in under 1m 30s.Also BTW they're currently approving caliber: MULTI for form 1 silencers, I've had some denied but the majority have been approved. Also you DO NOT have to submit photographs for it, eForms forces you to attach but IPB told me you don't have to, just submit a screenshot saying no pictures are required or something, for 4h only put your full name (or trust name) and city and state, nothing else. You can make silencers under the listed OAL but no longer, so you can put like 12" OAL and its valid for anything up to and including 12".
>>65424471>I've had some denied but the majority have been approvedWhat the fuck is up with that anyway? I've had that happen for a Form 1 SBR once. >submit form 1>denied for some oddly specific reason (manufacturer was wrong)>submit it again, same info as before>approved
>>65424471thanks for the info anon
>>65421490No I'm still canadian unfortunately.
>>65424141Because the question did not preclude me from answering.
Florida bros... not like this. Why is desantis so cucked?
>>65421918>thoughbeitReddit is that way>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>65423822Weed wants a word...
>>65424229>>65424449>I form 1 and get stuck with the long ass wait time>finally clears>almost immediately drops to week long waitsWell fuck me then.>>65424455Wasn't a trust; filed individual.
>>65423586Bauer Precision is but they were cleaned out today so you missed out.
>>65424685It was due to Virginia. They actually did a smart thing for once and shoved all the VA submissions to the front of the line for a few months. RIP VA.
>>65424274I hate Rays those guys are huge faggots. I remember they would only sell ammo during covid with a gun purchase and of course they marked everything up by 200%
>>65424471>>65424514Adding on to your question, why the fuck do some guns have wrong autofill answers for the model (question 4d)? Some have the mfg SKU/model # as autofill in the dropdown box (combo dropdown/type in box) after selecting the manufacturer. But then you look and>4 d. Model (as marked on firearm)Which should always be answered with the general model name, not the SKU. Like if I were making an SBS of a Mossberg 500 as a random example of a gun that has a consistent model name across SKUs (which I haven't checked also does this on a Form 1). You'd select Mossberg as the manufacturer and then click the 4 d dropdown box and it'd list off a ton of SKU numbers when the answer that's actually correct is ALWAYS "Mossberg 500" no matter which SKU you purchased assuming the stamp still says "Mossberg 500".
>>65424664what have you heard? or are you upset about sbrs and sbses being tied to nfa registration?
>Wisconsin>Need a title and registration to ride my pit bike I got in trade for some farm work.>Also need to do a form 4 to put a sup on my M91/30 mosinFucking weak, fucking illinigger assholes for ruining my state. On the plus side if does get repeal, I don't have to be the crazy mad queue for a can at least.
>>65423738yeah
>>65424702>why the fuck do some guns have wrong autofill answers for the model (question 4d)? Some have the mfg SKU/model # as autofill in the dropdown box (combo dropdown/type in box) after selecting the manufacturerI managed to talk to an agent once about that. APPARENTLY the auto fill lists ANYTHING people have put in the past, not just the correct name/info. If enough people typed in "poopdick" as the model, it would eventually appear in there.
>>65421490Why would I want a surpressor? How am I supposed to know my gun went off if I cant hear it?
>>65422514This works really well for subsonic .22, but will only last a handful of shots.
>>65422700>ju gunI don't give a fuck, that's badass.
>>65423935Thanks to Trump. He threw bump stocks as a sacrificial goat while leading the rest of the flock to glory. His SCOTUS picks, and the very MAGA movement allowed this. >rëddit gonna be big mad about this post
GOA announces Corporate Membership for FFLshttps://shop.gunowners.org/product/corporate-partner/
>>65424272they're for muh dick. bix nood muh fugguh>>65424279he's right, they're ugly as shit. Old guns with wood and blued steel have soul
>>65422700>no engravingSorry about your dogs and wife anon. The engraving requirement was not one of the enjoined provisions.
>>65426953>item is no longer considered NFA>y-you didn't NFA engrave itRetard
>>65426976The NFA still exists, it's just the court has forbidden the ATF from enforcing certain statutes against certain people. The marking statute is still in force, thus the confusion and uncertainty
>a blue state like Minnesota deregulated>a red state like North Dakota didn’tEveryone in charge here is a fucking retard.
>>65423962Nigger shut the fuck up, I've been trying to find a CZ 457 in my area that ISN'T wood finish, but that's all they sell outside of online orders it seems. There are so many fucking options in every caliber
SilencerShop had cars parked down the highway waiting in line
>>65427282you just know it smells crazy in there.
>>65422514Is this what the guy from scanner darkly did?
>>65427569been a movie staple since they started selling water in bottles. https://youtu.be/huOZPQ6Hl2c?t=99
>>65427282I don't understand why though. I went in on Thursday when the news broke (and before the big crowd) and they told me they only ship suppressors to FFLs. You cannot buy a can from them and pick it up in their store. At that point, just seems easier to buy online from them.Maybe I'm missing something or they changed how they're doing it now. Their warehouse is out on west Whitestone, by Travesso (100% jeet colony btw). And their showroom on 183 is next door to a jeet grocery store (and so was their old showroom). That whole side of Austin is just fucking jeeted to the max.I would say they need to update their physical business model to have a showroom and inventory in the same location and bypass the third party FFL transfer all together. They must be making some sort of extra income in their current arrangement though, idk.I never understood Silencer Shop desu and it's what ultimately drove me to use Capitil Armory. Silencer Shop's process just seems more convoluted, costly, and impersonal. Even before this suppressor mania, calling them to ask a question was like dealing with a big corpo call center.
>>65426281That's actually extremely based and smart. This enabkes every single FFL to be a covered party.
>>65423633I'm in one of the states that still has the NFA registration in state-level law, so I'm hoping that will be the case by the time it's finally hashed out for good.
>>65423580>law niggers explain pleaseThe ruling on the Jensen v. case provides injunctive relief for plaintiffs including FPC members current and future legally prohibiting the defendant the BATFE from enforcing the marking/engraving requirement punitive provisions USC 5842 (b) and 5861 against the plaintiffs. It should be noted that the Jensen plaintiffs were not granted injunctive relief regarding AOWs... I'm not sure if this is just with respect to the non form 1 registration manufacturing/configuring of AOWs.... or if it also applies to the marking/engraving requirements for AOWs...GOA members as plaintiffs in the Silencershop Foundation v. case were granted injunctive relief regarding the non-form 1 non registered manufacturing/configuration of AOWs, in addition to SBS, SBR, and suppressors. I'm more confident that being a FPC member AND a GOA member is what allows the most injunctive relief, allowing for private non-commercial manufacturing/configuring of SBS, SBR, suppressors, and I believe AOWs as well, without form 1 ATF NFA registration, and without enforcement of USC 5842 and 5861 punitive provisions of the marking/engraving requirements. >>65423935The best is yet to come, but we're certainly living in the best times so far. >>65426281Excellent because in the ruling itself is the following language: >"Thus, to provide complete relief to the commercial members of the associational plaintiffs, the injunction must also encompass their current and future customers"Key phrasing being "commercial members of the associational plaintiffs>>65427937It also allows manufacturers, distributors, FFLs, and customers to just sidestep Silencershop and PSA entirely when it comes to non-F4 transfers which is a good thing for keeping prices competitive.
>>65421490Nah, I just wanted the right to do it, but now I think it's stupid and some cheap ear plugs can get the same results.
Scottsdale Gun Club just announced with graphics that they have started selling suppressors with only a 4473 starting today and it says 20+ brands, so I'm assuming that means they got the commerical corporate membership of GOA already
>>65428131so whats the situation with taking one of these suppressors or sbrs from the free state where you bought/built it and go to a state that still requires nfa registration? youre still fucked right even if its just going shooting with the homies? and how would it work going between free states
>>65421490I'm waiting for further information, and then plan on making my own.I hate 4473s on principle, and will only take part when absolutely necessary. And in the case of what isn't even a firearm, I'm not filing a 4473.
>>65428361>I'm waiting for further information>and then plan on making my ownSee this is how we can tell you're a pussy.
>>65428429Fuck off, fed.
>>65428432You're such a pussy you're afraid of the feds finding out about something you would do in the privacy of your own home. Faggots in every country that (rightly) outlawed sodomy are more willing to violate the law than you. Utterly pathetic, the founding fathers would've spit on you.
>>65421490I'M DOING MY PART.Bought a B&T SRBS 762 yesterday at the based local LGS down the street. Kind of surreal buying one without anything other than a 4473 and no backgrounds check with my LTC. Shit, if the LGS is crazy enough to test the waters, I'm crazy enough to try.
No. I’m cautiously optimistic about this but one as soon as the dealers do start selling them there’s going to be a rush and obnoxious shenanigans regarding wait times and pricing and two because one of my clients at work bought an FRT a few years ago and then had the ATF go through his house and take it, fingerfuck all his other firearms looking for excuses, then when the court case was settled send him a letter saying that he could buy another but since he didn’t buy it from one of the companies listed in the suit he wasn’t getting his shit back. Thus the issue with court decisions vs actual laws being passed. We have a big win here but the FFLs are waiting for the same reason I am which is that we haven’t seen how the other side intends to respond and likely won’t until for a little while. I’m hopeful though. Gun favorability at large has steadily increased year over year with trust in the government at an all time low.
>>65424831Florida's attorney general did not join the suit. Florida is not listed as a plaintiff in the suit, so this ruling does nothing for you.
NC still has some gay provision in the law somehow. I don't understand the legal lingo but apparently since the NFA "exists" you still have to do a form 4, but I foresee a higher court just dropping it completely making the provision null. Or the full republican controlled legislation could override the dem gov and just pass something quick (they won't because they are cucks).
>>65426281this is actually sick as fuck. No dealing with PSA fags and SilencerShop. I can't stand either of them. Hypebeast faggots.
>>65428354My bet is that moving to a non-free state you would then be out of compliance with the local laws and regs of the non-free state... unless they have clauses for grandfathering in or clauses about people moving to their state. >traveling between free statesPretty sure this is going to have to be addressed separately. The travel notification requirement law is worded such that the trigger for the provision is not the registration status of the object being transported across state lines, but rather the definition of the object itself as being an SBS, SBR, Suppressor etc. >>65428361I'm pretty sure you can make your own right now, subject to state and local laws, and assuming you're a GOA member. You'll want to be an FPC member also so that you're given injunctive relief from the BATFE enforcing the marking/engraving requirements. >>65428798>I'M DOING MY PARTIMO the biggest and best thing we can be doing to help make this stick is to flood/proliferate privately manufactured/configured non-commercial SBS, SBR, AOW, and suppressors. Join, GOA, join FPC, and slap stocks, uppers, and cut barrels galore. Obviously state and local laws apply. Urge friends and family to read the ruling and understand it themselves. >>65428896+1Anti-competitive faggots too. PSA released a video the next day straight LYING being like "You gotta be a GOA member AND buy the parts from us but then you can make an SBR at home no Form 1, we even got a STONKS page on our homepage to make it easy to buy stocks from us!"And it is like NO faggots read the ruling... you don't have to buy shit all from PSA, you can just be a GOA member or otherwise plaintiff and receive injunctive relief.
>>65428934>faggots too. PSA released a video the next day straight LYING being like "You gotta be a GOA member AND buy the parts from us but then you can make an SBR at home no Form 1, we even got a STONKS page on our homepage to make it easy to buy stocks from us!">And it is like NO faggots read the ruling... you don't have to buy shit all from PSA, you can just be a GOA member or otherwise plaintiff and receive injunctive relief.I have hated PSA for a while now. They started being bitches too. Their owner drives a McLaren and parks in handicap spots so they aren't hurting for money at all. Their place in Myrtle beach is super nice yea, but their employees are literal sub IQ apes and they are anti consumer 100%. Will never buy anything from them again. Much rather support Rooftopdefense, EuroOptic. and places that actually offer good deals and work with you.I have a bone to pick with SS too they held my shit up for at least a year during covid and terrible phone communication, again, ape IQ employees.
>>65428854that's not how it works, the states that are plaintiffs represent their employees not residents, if you are a member of goa, fpc, etc. in any state you are covered. sbrs and sbses are still tied to nfa registration in florida state law but suppressors aren't so if someone will sell you one you can get a can with just a 4473.
>>65428934>PSA released a video the next day straight LYINGI noticed that too.>>65428952>Rooftopdefense, EuroOpticLove those guys, especially Rooftop.
>>65428798I went and bought a polo 556 and spectre 9 yesterday. It really is a weird feeling just walking out the door with cans in hand. My first two suppressors were done via snail mail and took 14 months to approve, these were done in 14 minutes. >>65428934Truth, the way I see it, the more people get out and buy, the harder it will be for them to suddenly give a shit and uno reverse everything. GO DO YOUR PART! BE A PART OF THE PROBLEM!
>>65428934>I'm pretty sure you can make your own right now,Hell yeah you can, can do the can can
>>65423923Amateurs......
>>65429034>polo 556for 500 bucks you really can't beat it. not a RBP but still a steal.
>>65429397I have a few nice cans, nowadays I just want stuff to live on guns for good. The polo and resilient simple man are my favorites for a simple, cheap, and hub compatible can to fill out the ranks.
>>65429191This thing fucks for $15 in plastic
>>65428952>Mclaren and parks in handicap spotsSauce?>Sub IQ apesThat evidently are liable to steal from the company so need signs reminding them that they're being flocked>never buy anything from them againBased me neither fuck em. I had an upper from them, stuck cases galore. A2grip borescoped their shit and the chambers rough as fuck. >SS ape IQ employeesCan confirm I called a while back for some CS thing on a can I ordered and ofc it a Texan sheboon with the drawl>>65429005>represent their agencies etc, not residentsThis is my understand as well but do you have a page number or something from the ruling where this is more clearly spelled out? I was arguing with a boomer on FB about it, he was all "THE STATES ARE THE PEOPLE">>65429008Based noticer>>65429034>BE A PART OF THE PROBLEM Now is 100% the right time to engage in that sort of mass "non-compliance", when compliance looks a bit grey, we turn it white by just fucking doing it (because it isn't grey, it actually is white, legal).
>>65429615page 7>All these plaintiffs are joined by >15 states—Texas, Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, North>Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming—>who allege that their agencies and employees are injured by the compliance costs associated>with acquiring and possessing NFA firearms for law-enforcement purposes. See id. at 49–
>>65429672page 9*
I'm concerned about the lack of an offramp should the tax return and moots this injunction. The way the NFA is written is that non registered items are contraband and that there's no mechanism for compliance after the fact. Realistically they'd probably offer a grace period to register or destroy the items like with the braces, but they'd probably not offer tax relief since the goal is terrorizing law abiding gun owners. Ironically, the way to fight this is to flood the country with so many silencers that it's too politically painful and logistically demanding to enforce even with a trifecta.
>>65429815You can’t retroactively tax people
>>65429201Waow (based based based based based based)
>>65429815My advice to anyone who will listen to me:>buy AR-15s>buy FRTs/super safeties (but never ever buy from Rare Greed)>buy suppressors>build SBRs>repeat all of the aboveIt's frankly awesome how common this stuff is becoming (at least here in Texas). Once they're all commonplace throughout the country, then there's not putting the genie back in the bottle.Always follow the laws and rules (in Minecraft) (^:
>>65430082It’s a shame frts are less reliable
>>65423935Nah. This really only benefits the flyovers. Good for them, but the situation will remain the same for pretty much everywhere else as local laws will cuck us to death. Several red and purple states have already banned FRTs, they'll start doing the same thing with everything.
>>65423700this is my idea for a reflex can for a 300 blackout barrel, this is all aluminum, .125 wall, steel for the first baffle and the other aluminum
>>65430480>costal cuck cope
>>65430504I mean, yeah. The coasts are going to start reformulating the NFA, and a lot of the south east will too. I don't like it, I think it's bullshit but they will do it.
>>65430023Yes you can, and it has been done, challenged, and found constitutional. What you can't do is make something retroactively criminal. But retroactively changing the tax rate? Perfectly legal and constitutional.https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreylevine/2021/06/11/can-congress-really-increase-taxes-retroactively/
>>65430023You also can't own an unregistered NFA item when the NFA is working as written. The injunction only provided relief on taxing grounds, but if the tax was reinstated and the injunction overturned it would revert back to old NFA rules which would turn any personally made silencers and SBRs into contraband that you're not allowed to posses. A registered silencer transferred via a 4473 doesn't have the same problem because it's registered as a title 2 firearm so it wouldn't revert to contraband, and like you said you can't retroactively tax the transfer which happened legitimately. My concern is really just for personally made SBRs and silencers which are what I'm more interested in. History has proven specifically for the NFA that if you make things wide spread enough the government will back away from enforcement like when the M1 Carbine debacle happened and they reduced the barrel length from 18" to 16" in rifles instead of trying to get the guns back.
>>65430687>you can't retroactively taxYou may not, but Congress most definitely can, and has, and this has been upheld by the US Supreme Court.https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-7-4-2/ALDE_00013732/['1']https://www.thewealthadvisor.com/article/can-congress-really-increase-taxes-retroactivelyhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/04/12/tax-increase-retroactive-biden/
>>65430687And just to clarify, I'm being extra generous to 4473'd silencers. There's still a break in the NFRTR chain of custody that basically puts it in the same contraband category as an unregistered NFA item per § 5861(d), since it's not registered to *you*. Before anyone copes about ex post facto it doesn't apply because the offense is the ongoing possession and there's literally no remedy to register it after the fact, by design, thanks to Haynes v. United States.I don't want to be a party pooper, I just want people to acknowledge that they may be playing chicken with the government in the future. >>65430762The collection of tax part isn't really the part that matters in this scenario, it's just the vehicle to secure the registration scheme. Sure they could crank the tax to $5000 and say you need to pay up if you want to keep your stuff. Or they could make it a nominal $0.01 registration fee to simply give the courts justification to dissolve the injunction and the AG could simply not give a 90 day amnesty and tell everyone to get fucked. There's no guaranteed path to fix an NFA item in an improper state. It's § 5861(d) that will bite you.
>>65429615>>65429672additionallyhttps://youtu.be/5j43ukEaQcI?t=66
>>65430687>if two things happen in the future that haven't happened then my head cannon says it would play out like so
>>65430983It's the obvious pitfall with the current situation. It's not even a far fetched hypothetical and is the stated goal of current senators like Chris Murphy. The only hypothetical is the tax being reinstated to some amount > $0 via reconciliation in the future *or* a competing court disagreeing with the current injunction, everything else follows mechanically from rules currently on the books. Your version requires a friendly executive and legislative branch in perpetuity.
>>65429615>do you have a page number or something from the ruling where this is more clearly spelled out?nta, buthttps://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Silencer-Shop-Foundation-v.-ATF-Opinion-and-Order.pdfpage 64 and 66
>>65431763Where "agencies" means shit like DPS/Texas Rangers etc and "political subdivisions" means counties/cities etc. Voters and residents are neither an agency nor a political subdivision of the state.
>>65430791This. People are waaaay overselling what just happened in this case. The NFA isn't dead, it isn't even slightly wounded. All the judge said is the ATF and Justice dept can't prosecute people for certain types of violations while the tax is $0. The NFA is still the law of the land, and his opinion that it is unconstitutional as currently constructed has no actionable legal weight. He very explicitly stated that he is only giving very limited injunctive relief, not declaratory relief.https://foundation.gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/177118845368-1.pdfpg 65Don't be surprised if the ATF comes back this week and confirms its initial statement that it is business as usual with form 4's. Because that is in fact the reality, the only change is that some people and businesses got a "get out of jail free" card (until congress fixes the tax problem).Hopefully the ATF will decide to appeal the ruling, kicking this up to an en-banc hearing in the 5th which gives the opportunity for a more substantial decision.
>>65431763>>65431771>>65431800Yeah that is what I thought. The states as plaintiffs only covers official agencies and whatever political subdivisions means with respect to the states. That being said the NFA absolutely has suffered a potentially critical blow here, IF individuals and FFLs can sack the fuck up and read and understand the ruling and become plaintiffs. Literally all we need is for every mildly interested 2A minded individual in all the states where local law and regs allow, as well as the FFLs in said states to join the GOA and or FPC Action and as such become plaintiffs in both cases and receive injunctive relief. Then these individuals (millions if not tens of millions) and these FFLS (easily 10k plus) simply need to engage in as many 4473 based suppressor transfers AND private individual manufacturing/configuring of SBR, SBS, AOW, and suppressors as well to spam said firearms into common unregistered use such that requiring future registration on a near federal level becomes wholly unworkable and burdensome. But the population is too stupid and cucked.
>>65426992What would I engrave on it?
>>65432286https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/every-nfa-engraving-requirement-you-need-to-know-about/
>>65426992The engraving statutes were part of the Jenson complaint that was rolled into the Silencer Shop case. The Jensen plaintiffs got all the injunctions that the Silencer Shop plaintiffs got, but Judge Hendrix issued a separate injunction for the Jensen plaintiffs preventing the Justice dept and ATF from pressing charges against them. The GOA was *not* a plaintiff in the Jensen case, but the Texas State Rifle Association was, so if you want to make an SBR or SBS and avoid the engraving requirements then joining the TSRA is the way to do it, that gets you protection from all the NFA statutes in the case, GOA membership only gets you protection from the silencer-related portions of the statutes.26 U.S.C. § 5842(b) is the engraving/serialization statute26 U.S.C. § 5861(i) is the possession of an unengraved/unserialized firearm statutehttps://shared.nrapvf.org/sharedmedia/1512215/2026-jensen-137-final-judgment.pdf
>>65432286>>65432354see >>65432857
>>65432857that may be inaccurate, I've heard the jensen case brought up defaced serials, not manufacturing without a serial to begin with, playing it safe on an already perilous activity, it makes sense to dremel your name, city, state and some numbers on it
>>65424141All Americans should be entitled to suppressors. Don't stifle their right to protest you fucking communist.
>>65433133Read the Final Judgement in the case again. It doesn't cover the "why" only the "what".
>>65433133While I can't find the original Jensen case files online, Judge Hendrix discusses the consolidation of the two cases in his opinion, and he indicates the Jensen case was also based on the $0 tax issue. If the two provisions they were uniquely contesting were based on some other legal question it seems extremely likely he would have addressed those in his opinion. But he doesn't - the only mentions of "serial" in his opinion are descriptions of the two sections of the NFA that they are contesting.
>>65433822"Serial" reference #1
>>65433822"serial" reference #2
>>65433822Sure, and I hope everyone keeps arguing that position and that marking requirements are removed when this all shakes out, but gun lawyer consensus is if you're going to take advantage of the injunction to manufacture something title 2 you should still mark it to hedge your bets.
>>65430482I think you just reinvented the AEM5 but .30 cal. https://m.youtube.com/@aesuppressors/videos
>>65433926That's because most gun owner lawyers are hyperfixated on the suppressor stuff right now that was the focus of the opinion, you see very little discussion of how this case affects SBRs and SBSs. The Jensen case got only sparse mention in the opinion, though Jensen got nearly half of text of the final judgement, which is the legally important part (that's where the judge gives the actual orders for Justice and the ATF to follow).
>Form 4 Trust (1RP) suppressor >submitted 7/14/26>35 days later and still waiting When do I start thinking something is wrong? According to nfawatch/SS/and ATF'S own site, this is over the average. I called the ATF and their system tells you a dozen times they don't offer status updates. I asked for one anyways and was told to call my dealer. He said it's still listed as in process.I'm a fucking retard and should have done individual before transferring to a trust.
>>65434561>35 daysI don't mean to alarm you anon, but that indicates they found something questionable during their investigation of you. Could be things you posted on 4chan at some point, people in your Discord servers who are on their watchlist, etc. At this point they're probably investigating your tax records and finances and such to try and find any mistakes you've ever made. I would be worried now if I were you. Even if they eventually approve it, you're now on their radar and likely a monitored person going forward. I would make sure to never commit any sort of crimes and cut all contact with other people online, especially thoughs you don't know well IRL (delete Discord, Steam friends, social media, etc.). I really wouldn't want to you in your shoes right about now...
>>65421508You and me both.
>>65425748>APPARENTLY the auto fill lists ANYTHING people have put in the past, not just the correct name/infoWhy would anyone, EVER, do this to their own website? What the fuck?
>>65434765Top tier troll post, anon, but this isn't Yurope.>>65434771Now this is cope if I've ever seen it. I grew up in a blue state and while I'm sure Gen Z is way better, the average """right winger""" was always a coward who'd keep his mouth shut in public about gays, troons, etc, and would do nothing but cry about it when the once a decade massive new gun restrictions came down.
New mark Smith just dropped claiming you need Jensen coverage for any self manufacturing, a goa membership wouldn't cover it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nXv_YIKDzMw&pp=ugUHEgVlbi1VUw%3D%3D
this shit is so gay everyone knows the nfa is just bureaucratic bullshit but Supreme Court won't take any cases and make it nationwide, you still have cuck states where it still applies. Shit is gay as fuck. until I can go to a counter and buy it without a 4473 this is gay.
>>65435130we're taking our cake back, piece by piece.
which one of you is this >>>/jp/51192530
>>65434981This was fucking obvious from day 1, it's been painfully clear which youtube lawyers read the opinion and final judgement and which ones were just blowing smoke up everybody's asses.https://shared.nrapvf.org/sharedmedia/1512215/2026-jensen-137-final-judgment.pdfpage 2 covers the injunctions that cover only the Jensen plaintiffs. Those two sections cover marking when the SBS/SBR is made, and possession of an improperly marked SBS/SBR.
>>65434981Texas rifle associations memenerships are 40 bucks
>>65424202>We are 3D ODST
>>65434981Good thing I'm a GOA and TSRA member. Also that's wrong, you can still engrave the required info and be covered under GOA
>>65436076That's not wrong though, two of the marking statutes are only enjoined for Jensen plaintiffs, which the GOA wasn't.
>>65438230Post a reply thanking him for his service. Maybe seethe a little about Muslims or trannies too.
Same shit every thread >wah wah, I live in a commie shit hole state while larping on k.
>>65421490No. My state requires compliance with an unconstitutional law.
>>65423822He's right >>65424683Its basically legal
>>65438819>requires complianceYou're the one cuckplying
Has this situation unfucked itself yet? Right now literally nothing has changed other than PSA making obnoxious YouTube videos
>>65439470I wonder how many people including myself literally just don't care. It's just a bunch of he said she said bullshit. Until I can go to my shop and buy it like any other accessory I literally. don't. care.
Good morning! how many different groups do I need to be apart of to have my rights again? what number are we up to now? PSA? GoA? SilencerShop customer? don't live in this state. but that state is fine.Haha...
>>65439820I’m mostly tired of the preemptive victory laps. Until there’s actual legislation, nothing’s changed in my book.
>>65421490Am I being detained?
>>65442017GOA $25 https://shop.gunowners.org/memberships/+ FPCAF $10 https://secure.fpcactionfoundation.org/membershipIs what gives you coverage under both joined cases, states don't matter that just applies to state employees, a little extra protection might be provided if you buy the source parts like stocks or base firearms from PSA but it isn't necessary, just something else your lawyer could bring up in court if it ever came to that.
>>65439820>>65442036>I'll only buy an NFA item after everyone else has tested the water successfully and it's ok per my uber-cuck headcanonJust please don't ever pretend you have any balls at all or deserve to own a gun. The people lined up outside the stores right now are doing 1000x more for the 2A as you could ever dream of. The founding fathers would've spit on you. This gif isn't even particularly fitting because niggers have also done more for the 2A than you ever have with their love of switches.
>>65434287hey thanks for the link, i think thats really cool I didnt even know that existed, I'll check it out... see what he did for the baffle part. Ive switched stainless, but yeah. fun project
