>300 Beltout EditionPost reloads, data, questions, cool stuff.previous: >>65488174
All the .300 AAC discussion in the LARP thread has reinvigorated my interest in it and the other big caliber uppers. Best loads for .300Blk especially sbrs and subsonics?
Flattened primers is supposed to be a sign of overpressure yet I’m noticing this is just normal or at least common even in factory ammo let alone my minimum charged loads
why do people risk blowing up their gun and suffering permanent injury to get an extra 75fps that will never, ever matter in the real world
>>65539289That’s not the goal of the hobby if you aren’t just being comedically reductive
>>65539150Yes primers are softer or harder depending on manufacturer.
>>65539289Because a second hand press is $50 and nugget food is over $1/rdAnd it’s fun!
Got my 2nd Bergara today, but they sended me a 22" and not the 24". Does that really matter alot for 6.5Creedmoor
>>65539632Not a lot but It should matter on principle. You asked for a 24” not a 22”. Does adherence to rules overcome introversion in Germans?
Just finished 100 .45 SWCs200gr Xtreme PL86.8grs AutocompFederal LPPs1.221" OALMy last batch was 1.245" per Xtreme's guide, and those weren't feeding 100% reliably. My 1.230" ones were better, but my 1.219"s were way better. Aimed for an even 1.220" and some measured that, but 1.221" was the most average so that's what ended up in my log book and on the box labels.
>>65539701I could give it back without a problem but the 22 might be better than a 24. I want a tactical LRP rifle (later chassis) and a 24" might be to long with a good break. But i have to say the Bergara PRO feels much more qualitative than the nor al HMR
>>65539705vgh, SG-1...
>>65539705.45LC?
>>65539832>SG-1Hell yeah!>>65539840>45LC?Sorry, Auto. I'm used to saying just .45 and Super to specify. Eventually I want one of those Ruger LC/Autos so I'll get around to loading for LC.
>>65539890Apologize not. Both are equally American.
>>65539973
Do you guys wear nitrile gloves when reloading to limit lead and mercury exposure?
Time to reload rifle rounds for the first time. Wish me luck.
>>65540338Yes. I leave the room when tumbling brass too. Im uncharacteristically conscious of chronic toxic substance exposure reloading. I rarely wear gloves working with other dirty stuff like automotive greases and oils and gun cleaning solvents. But potential lead and mercury poisoning just hit some certain string in me apparently.
Just had some winchester #41 small rifle primers do their infamous pinhole flamout around the ege and pit a 556 Beryl bolt face. Fun. That's what I get for for thinking I could trust them, but it was during one of the last primer shortage panics. Anyone have experience with getting any money/reimbursement from them?
>>65540406Shouldn’t need luck bro. Take your time, do a small batch first, measure everything twice. If you have a moment of uncertainty pull the bullet and check or discard the suspect round. You presumably have reloaded pistol rounds already?
>>65540610500 rounds of .45ap, not a single failure as of yet.
>>65540612Well it’s the same shit so follow the data and don’t send anything you’re unsure of. Throwing away Pennies could save you hundreds or a trip to the hospital
>>65539705>1.221" OALI had 2 jams. 1 was because the brass rim was a little bent, that's on me for missing it when processing brass. The other one I'm not entirely sure of how it happened. But I'm sticking with this length.
>>65542330Can you explain the malfunction a little more clearly? Was it a failure to feed or failure to extract/eject?
>>65542432One was failure to feed, one was failure to eject.I should have taken pics, but just wanted to clear it ASAP and keep shooting.
>>65542330What’s your trim length?
>>65542443>trim lengthNo trim, just ran through the calipers at a max length of 0.898". The ones that failed go in the "need trim" bucket.
how fast can i run this given its 22bhn lead and powder coated, i shoot mostly 100y (300 occasionally) and twist is 1:9 or 1:10
>>65540406Here
Anyone ever reloaded 5.7x28 back in the day? Shit used to be fucking expensive
>>65539289some calibers perform best at max pressure
>>65544686Hell yeah!
Is 220 or 230 the limit for 1:10 30-06
>>65547049>1:10 30-06220 per Sierra.
>>65546022Such as?
I’ve asked this before but is it best to air cool or water quench annealed cases?
>>65549323i dont think ive seen people do a water quench so air cooled should be just fine. be the guinea pig for the rest of us and do both
>>65549323Slow cool. Quickly quenching causes hardness and brittleness which in this application is probably the same or worse than not annealing at all. >company freely and easily makes manual available >it’s a good manual with comprehensive instructions and clear diagramsI will now purchase your product.
How long in between restocks at BPI online?
>>65550092Asking you to break the rules and advertise to me sir. >>65550517Support your local big box chains sir
>>65550092Once it's to temperature it doesn't matter how you cool it. Water quenching just keeps the annealing where you want it.
I have never really given much thought to getting onto reloading. I primarily shoot pistol calibers, mainly 9mm and .40 and I typically go through about 1,000 rounds a month, sometimes 2,000 if I have a slower workload that month. I usually maintain a stockpile of about 10,000 rounds at any given time and just buy another case every month to replenish whatever I've shot through. My time is valuable due to my professional workload and I have the budget to buy factory ammo. Is it worth the time and expense to get into reloading? And How long does it take you to produce 1,000 rounds?Genuinely curious inquiry from an ignorant
>>65552670If your time is valuable then absolutely not worth reloading bulk target 9mm. Unless you really have a budget and wanna get a progressive or automatic press
>>65552517This doesn’t sound correct. Please explain the metallurgy.
>>65552749>absolutely not worth reloading bulk target 9mmLike target as in SWCs? Is there even factory 9x19 SWCs?That seems worth it to me.
>>65552935Never seen 9mm SWCs so if that’s your desired round it probably has data sonewhere
>>65552749Thanks, that's mostly what I had assumed.Honestly the question only came up because I had some dipshit in another thread trying to lord it over me that they reload and I couldn't understand their logic so I figured I must be missing something. I shoot a little 6.5creed and now that one yeah i could see reloading but I usually just confirm sight alignment and shoot 2-3 rounds at a time. It'd be different if I was burning through boxes every weekend but when it's less than a box each year that also seems counterproductive
>>65539150If you are looking at primers for "signs of pressure" then you have bought into fuddlore. You have a massive margin of error where all a primer can tell you is that you're within a 30kpsi spread. Could mean you're 15kpsi under PMax for a cartridge or 15kpsi over. It's even more pointless to look at primers for cartridges that operate lower than 60-65kpsi. Usually those lower pressure cartridges are chambered in guns that will just fail by the time you are able to discern things from a primer.(ie leverguns)There are a number of signs that crop up that are more useful for knowing whether pressure is high, primers are about the least useful.Denton Bramwell has a good paper on it that's I'm having trouble tracking down, you can find it if you looi otherwise I saved a copy and will post screen shots.
>>65553724I was having all sorts of flattened and blown primers, when I was loading 5.5 grains of SR4756 in .32 h&r mag and a .314 115 grain LFN. A few years or so ago. I thought it was over pressure. So I started to back off. So it was fine? Should I use SRP Instead since they are harder and it'll be me some peace of min
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>>65553782Did your firing pin have a burr on it?Alternatively is it just too long?By the time you see pic rel, there's some pretty big challenges afoot if you got there accidentally. All of these were the same load, but pressures were likely north of 70kpsi. Some primers leaked as the primer pocket expanded far beyond its intended size while others look fine except the primer attempting to flow into the firing pin channel. Case heads were pretty flattened, but that's another pressure "sign" that has massive variability.
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>>65553901No no I’ve seen .35 wads. Not storebought 9mm Luger rounds, boxed and loaded with them.
>>65554350Those are .356" SWCs for 9mmhttps://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=172&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=
>>65554437Neat. I’ve never seen 9mm swc fully loaded, powder, brass, primer and bullets ready-to-fire rounds. So if making some paper punching parabellum is what you want go for it. Totally worth the venture.
How do yall dispose of tumbling media? I wet tumble with stainless steel pins, lemon, and soap. I don't want to hurt any critters by pouring the lead water down the drain or into the soil.
>>65554493Lead comes from the ground bro
>>65554493If you don’t shake your solution like a noisy baby can’t you just decant 90% of the water—heavy metals dissolved on the bottom—and just keep the remaining solution? Lead and mercury dont combine with anything to make some horrible water-soluble chemical do they?
>>65554498And a barrel cactus makes a good footstool.
>>65554512Sure I could decant the water, but I don't know how much of the water would have lead in it after "settling", and the remaining solution would have to be disposed somehow. Do you take it to a hazmat disposal site?
>>65554531It’s a little late in the season but just leave it in the sun bro. The water will evaporate leaving a smaller volume to deal with
>>65554493Drink it obviously
>>65554556I did that a few weeks ago and all the water evaporated, its still 90 degrees here, looking to be 100 over the weekend. I didn't want to believe globohomo warming but its hotter than a two-dollar pistol on a redhead's hip. I'll tumble another batch this weekend and pour it into the bucket. Maybe mixing the lead water with walnut shell would make an easily disposable paste.
>>65554624How much residue left in the vessel?
>>65554637The bucket I dumped it into is bone dry now, just a bit of yellowish crud at the bottom.
>>65552461Great thanks.
https://www.theamericanmarksman.com/7.62x51-primed-hpt-cases-500-ct.htmlI can use these as standard cases for normal pressure reloads, right?
>>65554687That’s how much crud was in your solution, some of it was surely lead. There you go. Make 5000 more buckets and you might be able to smelt a terrible quality slug out of it
What's a good powder coat for lead shot/buckshot?
>>65539150>>65539406size of the firing pin hole has a part to play as well
>>65555009I get the feeling no one actually handloads here
>>65557000It's just a stupid premise.Hope that helps.
>>65557056>handloading and making sure you get what you pay for is fucking stupid actuallyI can make a better looking, more reliable, tweaked exactly to my needs WHILE cheaper shell but yeah you're right, I should gunsoom at local ammo assrape shop. Kek they call single aught double aught half the time because they know the average Joe Goy isn't going to look inside
>>65557000No one can come up with an answer for such an odd question. Why would you powder coat shot? It’s in a cup until it leaves the gun. Explain your project.
>>65557145I'm using brush wads for large diameter buck so I want it powder coated. Hell if I wanted to powder coat smaller shot I would too, there isn't always a "need" to do something but if I prevent even the slightest lead fouling then it's all good in my book. It also would let me color coordinate my similar size round balls, spills happen. Plus it looks good as fuck in clear hulls
>>65557170>Plus it looks good as fuck in clear hullsShit, thats all you had to say my negro. Sorry I haven’t fired up my goodwill easybake oven so I can’t offer any recommendations.
>>65557333I'm going to fuck around with powder paints and figure it out
>>65557475post glamshells when your done
>12ga all brass hulls shipped same day as orderBased Uncle Larry.
Where is the new cartridge developent general. I have a not too retardeds idea for a new pistol cartridge.
>>65559339We it. Lay it on us.
How would I go about a net load for a 12ga? I want to shoot nets for like... live capture of bats for study. That sort of thing. Scientific purposes.
>>65560364Probably best to use a rifled barrel. Even more uncommonly one that takes a 3.5” shell. I think making your net round would be fairly simply. You may even try submitting your design to Alibaba and have chink Factory 1252 sent you 1000 of them
>>65560123>We it. Lay it on us.Given:5.45x39 53gr, 2,900 fps, OAL 2.244 in7.62x25 90gr 1,340 fts, OAL 1.386 in5.7x28 40gr 1,880 fps, OAL 1.594 inTherefore: I proposed a new high velocity pistol cartridgethe 5.45x25 Vodkaor, the 5.45x28 Vutka for slightly more case volume and higher velocity. The 5.45 is tried and true, readily available, and the x25mm case only needs to be necked down a bit, and the x28 is essentlially the same diameter but might be more expensive. With today's high quality double base powders it should be reasonable to get the same performance out of the Vodka or Vukta as the FNI rest my case.
I forgot to add the 5.45 is about 40% less mass than the 7.62, therefore it should be relatively easy to get high velocities out of the 5.45x25 combo since the x25 can already produce 1,340 fps out of its small size and in a pistol. The 5.45 is better aerodynamically and has better wounding effects due to its velocity and hollow tip construction.Taking orders now, planned delivery in 2090
>>65560364>live capture of bats for studyjust use a pool net, hold out the long handle and capture. Shooting the bats with a net seems like is going to injure them.
If I am building a round that doesn't have any load data, can I keep laddering up via velocities? Similar rounds have a max around 4.1-4.3gr of N320 @ 1080fps for 124gr. Now my current tested load is 3.9gr @ 950fps, I do think the seating depth is about the same AND I have an inch longer barrel vs load data. At 3.9 GRT shows near max pressure, but its velocities are also around 1080 vs my 950. Can I just keep going up until I gain an extra 100fps and not see any overpressure signs?
>>65561298Even the pool net will injure them.Mist netting with attractant calls is the accepted safest way.
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no opinions on my new cartridge idea? I spent years developing it.
>>65561431If it’s just you firing them. It’s your health and equipment. Using data from other rounds because they are similar shape is a fine place to start testing with a lead sled and a string. Godspeed. Sounds like a fun venture. The Slavaboo nature might lose you recognition or interest from other, as well as major diminishing returns over 5.7x28. And 5.7 already isn’t popular enough to copy and borrow goodwill from. >”it’s like the P90 round but 30% better”Hard pitch.
>>65561431Maybe you need a hybrid case
>finding more and more 7.62x39 brassI dread the day I find a 7.62x54r case made of something non-ferric. It will make me very sad.
>>65557582Ninesung powder coat is OK for price but not very high quality
Got some brass sticking in the chamber of a .30-06 bolt gun after firing. It’s about 25-40% of rounds. Any ideas as to why, fellows? None have trouble seating. I don’t think it’s a sizing problem. I’ve trimmed them all to standard cut length. Thinking it may be from not cleaning the sizing lubricant off and the brass is being vacuum stuck.
>>65569592Dirty chamber along with sticky cases possibly
>>65569948All I can think of. I checked every case individually for proper sizing. And none were as hard closing the bolt as some of them where opening.
Annealing before or after sizing? And is it done after ever shot?
Anyone ever crumpled a shotshell in the press before?
>3.5grs of Titegroup in a 9mm w/ a 115gr bullet>cycles in my AR9 and 6906 no problem>short cycles in my dad's Beretta M92FSGoing to 3.8grs minimum for 9mm from now on
>>65539289P!ss!n hoT lOaDz!
>>65539289If you're not shooting handmade ammo, you're never gonna make it. I silenced a range once, didn't even notice others not shooting. They had sighting optics. They were looking at the lane ragging out the center of his targets. What kind of elite rifle could it be? Knight? DD? LMT? No, Palmetto. Why? How? It's the ammo and application of SPC learned in automotive and aerospace applications. Sorted bullets, concentricity, headspace measurement, accurate powder measurement. This produces ammo that improves accuracy round after round for a specific gun. You can do this for yourself.
>>65540338You might have more exposure to lead breathing primer residue shooting indoors than absorbed through skin while reloading. You should not eat or smoke without washing your hands first when handling components, that is a lot of exposure.
>>65580730
Just made some .308 that I need to test. Quickload has it basically at maxP, so my margins are razor thin but I trust the action to handle well over that. 175gr smk over 46gr of VV N540. Should be fun
Haha OP your 300 Win Mag is pretty spicy>BLKHoly shit. Lucky to be alive fren
>>65581369Wasn’t mine. Found them. A bunch had cratered primers, pierced primers and even a bunch just missing. Don’t know how they were even doing that. Whatever weapon it was. I want it.
>>65578465happens especially on the final stage of trying to get the crimp to look factorymost of mine just look half-crimped nowyou can't really get the foldover
>>65577800annealing whenever you feel like itand done whenever you start cracking necks if you're not a benchrest d00dif you are a BR d00d then you'll figure out when it is worthwhile to do so, usually something like every 5 loadings
>>65574342shotgun brush in the cordless drilluse some sort of mild abrasive polishing compound like you'd use while buffing paint
>>65567378been finding tons of boxer 54r and piles of boxer x39bittersweet shit, man
>>65583832Thought I found some today. Thank goodness my magnet corrected me.
>>65583828Can you explain how a benchrest dood would know instead of “if it seats, it yeets” magdumping-at-trash chads.
>>65583824I'm looking into a crimp finishing tool for the taper after final crimp
>>65539106I NEED FUCKING NICKEL-PLATED .454 BRASS GODDAMNIT
>>65584336>copper washeddoes babby really?some day you'll find nny brass and break a decapping pin before you even look in the case neck
>>65584343groups start opening because neck tension loses consistencyif you aren't chronoing every single shot and writing them down individually you'll never notice
>>65584701Being Berdan primed was my first clue. Buying that decap tool was a great purchase. >>65584708Interesting
>>65585579are there .250 primers out there?
For my 308, I switched from a 0.333 neck bushing to a 0.336. But now I'm seeing something I don't think is quite normal. When resizing it I seem to be shaving off a layer of brass with the larger bushing compared to the smaller one. Happens with both kinds of brass I have. The 0.336 necks are shiny like new brass but this doesn't happen with the 0.333, and theres a noticeable amount of material removed and a lipNeck size before resize: 0.345"Resized 0.336 bushing neck size: 0.336"Resized 0.333 bushing neck size: 0.333"It doesn't seem like its smaller, so why is it taking a layer off? picrel also has the .336 bushing bottom size
>>65587602sharp edge on bushingpolish it with some 600 grit sandpaper or somesuch
>>65587624Alright, I'll give that a shot, thanks
>>65587624That worked! I did 400, 600, 1000 a few times through until it went completely away. Thanks anon
>>65590507Nice. Nta but thanks for the feedback
Heheh
>days getting shorter>less motivation to reloadFuck...I've been getting better sleep, but that's due to little to no caffeine daily. But no caffeine = less motivation to reload :/But it's also Spooktober and I've been watching movies more than anything.
Worth trying to reload Winchester Super X hulls? Winchester says no. Internet says maybe.
>>65591565I don't know Can you repeat the question?
>>65591565shit man, reload bulk pack trash hulls
>>65539106Is it worth it to load wadcutters for .357 magnum?
>>65592422>load wadcutters for .357 magnumHmmm... I do .38s, maybe 158gr SWC?
>>65554493Evaporate the water, scrape crud into thick plastic bag, throw away.
>>65591565I dont, usually I can find enough AA hulls or federal HOA in the trash to get enough good shells, if they are all you have available I would just reload once and toss em.
>>65592422Im like this guy >>65592425 i load .38spc wads for my 15-2, although I seem to use a larger charge of titegroup, if you want nice clean holes from your magnum I dont see why not and go for it.
>>65592457>seem to use a larger charge of titegroupUnderstandable. I use those mouse fart loads for picrel.
Does anyone have any resources on loading supersonic 300 Blackout without having to load to AR15 mag constraints? Is that even a thing? I ordered a Rossi LWC in 300 Larpout and want to load some pull down 147 grain m80 pills ive had for years but im wondering if I need to keep the length short or if I have room to lengthen since im not worried about feeding from a mag. I haven't bought brass yet so i dont know if the oal lets the mouth reach the cannelure.
>>65592721Something I read online before is dremel some cuts in the mouth of a sacrificial case so whatever bullet you intend to load will be held by the casemouth —but not firmly—and then chamber it. The bullet will find where it seats in that weapon’s throat right up against that weapon’s rifling. That will be your maximum seating depth.
>>65591507Not over the line. don’t put it through a Sudaca Mauser and I wouldn’t worry about it.
>>65592721147s don't got much bullet behind the cannelurethey won't stay in the case if you go much longer than 1/8" longer oal, so why bother>>65592771300s usually got a good deep (chamber) throat to work with
>>65593281>147s don't got much bullet behind the cannelurethey won't stay in the case if you go much longer than 1/8" longer oal, so why botherindeed. A great round to safely develop your own loads in that regard. Also you mixed up your (you)s
>>65592503Where do you get that grip extension?
>>65596240https://www.ebay.com/itm/277915653799
>>65596251Sweet. Thanks
>>65539289no firearms are designed so close to the pressure limit that 75 fps more would cause it to come apart
>>65596325>>65596251>>65596240samefag shill
>>65596418Hahahahaha noFuckin retard
Decided to finally get into it, brand ne, only ever watched over my dad's shoulder as a kid. Want to start with 45-70 so I can feed my dad's 1895cb, been collecting starline brass. Looking on used markets. What would be a viable solution for a 1br apartment that can be packed away fairly easily?
>>65597872https://precisionrifleblog com/2012/11/12/portable-reloading-press-plans/
>>65592447Where>>65597881Better than a hand press? When I say space is at a premium I mean it
>>6559788545-70 is too tapered for a carbide die like straight walled shit uses, so you end up needing a ton of force on your press to FL sizeunironically; the lee classic loader set will probably do you wellget a ten dollar chinese drug scale for powder charge weighing
Don't have a chronograph but was going to try reloading some slower 9mm. What rough FPS difference should I see if I load 147grain 9mm round nose with 3.0 grains of tite group at 1.15(I think) length? Currently using 3.2grain through a 9" barrel. Also might use it in a 4" pistol but mostly the mp5 as it doesn't like flat nose bullets and I have plenty of flat nose factory loads for my handgun
>>65600534you'll find you get trouble making even 147s subsonic with a 9" barrel while still cyclingeasier with an ar9 as they always have nowhere near enough bolt weight (just toss a standard or h1 buffer in and she's happy)
what's up bros, I could use a little help with upgrading my reloading setup. I've been migrating over to SAC equipment recently with their comparator set, Bravo Vise, Action wrench etc etc. I'm 1/2 thinking of grabbing their NEXUS press, does anyone use one? are there other precision focused presses I should look at?Also, has anyone had custom headspace gauges made up before?? looking for 6mm Dasher based on the Alpha Legacy reamer! Thanks
>>65603599afaik the alpha dasher reamer tweaks some dimensions with just the neck and freebore, so any headspace guage for a dasher should work since the shoulders are all the same. also sweet rig homie
Ramshot TAC powder for 77gr .223? Specially in an 11.5" barrel./arg/ is no help because they're a bunch of sandy vaginas.
>>65591517Tea my son. Get some Yorkshire red bags (not the shitey little ones with tags, the big no-tag ones) off Amazon. BOILING water, as in it's on a rolling boil as you pour it in the mug, steep 4 min, drop of full fat milk. All the caffeine all day long, none of the jitter. Knock it off around 6pm and you'll sleep like a baby.
>>65600534Alright Cokeman?
>>65603997QL says you're good there, 100% fill comes out a smidge over 2300fps and you'd have to do something pretty retarded to kaboom anything. I'd go in at 22gr and see how it goes from there.
>>65597872Get a Lee press and a mounting plate. Bolt the plate to a thick-ish rigid board 12x18 or thereabouts, spray mount some thin hard rubber sheet (insertion rubber) to the back of the board. C-clamp the board at diagonally opposite corners onto the corner of a desk or similar worktop, you're going to want a couple of inches of overhang. You want the plate on whichever side has the desk leg under it.
>>65603973thanks dude! this was news to me, I thought for sure the datum point would change with a different reamer but no, I confirmed it with Impact Precisions gunsmith. you're right, maybe I'll just grab a standard gauge for piece of mind.
>>65597885Throw away the crud in the regular garbage, the thick plastic bag will keep it contained for the next thousand years.
Anyone here use the magneto speed chrono trigger?
Just brought home a used Dillon RL550. Came with a few thousand primers, old tins of powder, some 9mm and .38/.357 dies, and bullets. It's got some cosmetic blemishes, but otherwise looks just fine.What am I in for?
>>65606092Buying some more useful dies and constantly farting around trying to automate it.
>>65544225You're going to want to keep that under 2000. When/if you find an accurate enough load, don't bother pushing it because you're on a hiding to nothing there.
>>65606074Those look antique now that these are commonplace
>>65607464Well the antique isn't $500. I could buy a whole lot of powder/primer/brass/boolet for that kind of scratch. The barrel mounted chrono is $80.
>>65607464Things don't stop working just because they're old. Hell I'm still using a $70-on-sale Caldwell and it works fine because I've not shot it yet.
>>65539122Guess I'll post my load. >200gr Berry's 300AAC bullets or 200gr cast Lee .309 bullets (powder coated/ no gas check)>Hodgdon Lil' Gun (8gr)>whatever sml rfl primer you like[Average Velocity]: 980fps Stabilizes well in my 7 1/2" 1:7 twist barrel. Drop is significant after 150yds. Don't feel like getting out my notes to see what it is exactly. Clean can after firing everytime if using cast projectiles. Might not be necessary, but I do it to be safe. Zero for 50yds.
>>65607494had a chrony for a whilesold it for what I bought it for after fifteen rounds through it with zero reading
>>65607491>>65607494I just said it LOOKS antiquated. Don’t get baited fellow poorbros>>65608086Was it a cloudy day?
>>65608093tried it allI put fuckin lights on it and everything, shit was just retarded pickya couple times it'd work perfectly fine for like ten rounds in a row after missing every other for a half hour
>>65608096Well damn I guess an $80 chrono is an $80 chrono after all
>>65608093>poorbrosYou don't keep a healthy bank balance by buying toys you don't need, Peon Musk. I've got coats and boots older than you are.>>65608418From what I've seen the Garmin ones aren't that much better, they just get fucky under different conditions and you have to REALLY bollocks it to put a round through one.
I'm just starting out reloading... Been shooting a lot of .30-06. Mix of mostly HXP and random brass. I load pretty light m1 garand loads. I'm not seeing any sign of the brass worn out after 7-8 firings. Can I expect to get a few more out of them? Not seeing any split cases, or ridges by the case heads. I bump the shoulder by 3-4 thou and anneal every few firings.
>300pcs of .45 Auto brass to prime>1 Winchester piece of brass had a weird flash hole and I mashed a primer>299 rounds will be loaded Fuck those slack-jaw dickheads at Winchester for making such shitty ammo/components.
>>65609302I would just keep going until I get a case head separation, ez pz
>>65609408Like not just a small pistol primer pocket?
>>65609553Nope, good question though. I sorted the SPP pockets I had. I've seen crimps on .45 but usually it's just a little more force to get it in. This one was ridiculously difficult to prime but I couldn't take it out because it was stuck in the priming tool. Had to force it in and when I got it out it was mashed. I put oil down the flash hole and tossed it.
>>65609553I'll see if I can find the LPP Winchester one I sent to the shadow realm, but here's a Federal SPP one that was similar a while ago. However, I've since swaged SPP .45 Autos. It was more obvious. Like processing 7.62 NATO spec brass. I had a .357 do the same thing once.But between the 9mm Win my dad had issues with in his P229, and a lot of .45 Auto Win brass I've had to scrap because it sometimes doesn't go into the shell holder in my press nicely, I'm not trusting Winchester anymore unfortunately.
>>65609595I still don’t really understand how. Do you not ream?
>>65609635>Do you not ream?I can, but I swage with the RCBS kit when I have a lot of or exclusively crimped primer pockets.This was a one in a 10k issue with LPP .45 Auto. Even when I hand load 9mm (lol I know) I've not seen this.But it's always Winchester that I toss the most and gives me issues. Even Aquila brass isn't this bad, and it's Mexican lol.
>>65609647>9mmA hobby’s a hobby
>>65609647This guy only has a 9,999/10,000 successful reload rate lol
>>65609302If they're light, the first place you'll start to see wear is around the shoulder or case neck. Kwep an eye out for cracks forming and toss 'em
>>65606074I do. It was the best you could get when I bought mine, but now the little garmins make them seem fussy and inconvenient by comparison. If you're honestly planning on chronoing a lot, I'd say the radars are worth it for the ease of use and memory features alone. If I had one of them I'd chrono a lot more than I do now
>>65591507>>65592779Finally got to testing these. Far exceeded expectations clocking in an average of 2740fps, extreme spread of around 30fps, no signs of pressure. That's pretty dam good for 175gr out of an 18" barrel. I can peobably push it to 2800 but I think I'd rather do a proper ladder and try to get the consistency a bit better
>>65540425https://a.co/d/0ahpUueoThese are pretty neat. It's weird where you can find lead and how easy it is to clean it up when you find it.
Where are you getting lead from if you shoot fmj
I want a .223 Tikka for shooting at 100m at the range and fucking up racoondogs. I'll get it with a 1:8 twist, so I can still lobb heavier bullets at the 300m lane for shit and giggles and to be able to bag some roe deer if I want to.Can and will handload for those applications out of fun and not for moneysaving.>How retarded am I for wanting a .223 with 1:8?
>>65611128I have a .308 in 1:8. That's not unusual for .223, maybe a bit slower than most contemporary barrels
>>656111281:8 is basically the standard AR twist rate for barrel companies who don't default to mil-spec 1:7 or varminter-spec 1:12 or 1:14, for basically the exact reasons you outlined. It's not unreasonable at all if you want a .223 Rem gun that does everything more or less adequately.
>>65611163>>65612412Thanks frens.So a 55gr bullet trough 1:8 may not be ideal for overlapping holes in paper at 100m, but they wont be minute-of-barndoor and/or definitely disintegrate by overstabilisation either?I dont care about "wasting" heavier bullets on good 100m-groups, but I want to be able to hunt foxes and racoon dogs with the gun, so the lighter bullets, which I think are better suited for this, have to work somewhat.
>>65612979Overstabilisation is a meme desu. While yes it can happen, you'd have to have a pretty egregious mismatch for it to actually cause problems
>>65613119thanks again.yeah, Im kinda a scary bitch about all those>well theres this thing and it sucks or is even dangerous but it won't matter. probably.Im deep enough in the rabbit hole for getting confident, learning about those things and getting nervous about them.Like calculating your first own and new load in GRT by comparing known bullets, pressures, speeds and asking yourself, if a 79% filled case is still fine or if it has to be at least 81% because otherwise it will totally just blow up.
>>65613382Load density is important but it depends on a veriety of factors, which is why it's always safest to follow best practices when developing and trying new loads. Programs like GRT and quickload are also just going to get you close. Quickload for instance always over estimated my load density by like, 3-4%
>>65613406>veriety
>>65610964Nice.
>>65611036Stack reloads. Shoot .22lr.
First .308sThese are blemished Nosler 168gr "custom competition" open tips. You can see some of the tips aren't perfectly formed. I don't expect sub-MOA but if I get 1.5" groups I'll be happy. Shooting through a Savage 10 that I've owned since 2019 that I haven't fired yet. Only mounted the optic a few months ago.Consistent 43.3grs of H335, Perfecta brass that went through my Aero and CCI 200 large rifle primers.I weighed the bullets, half were 168grs on the nose, about 1/4 were 168.1grs and the rest varied from 167.7grs to 169grs.If these do group OK despite the off shape hollow tips, I'll end up weighing them out. The 168gr and 168.1gr bullets in each group and the ones that are outside that will be .308 AR ammo.
>>65613119you ain't never shot 40gr varmint bullets outta a 1:7 barrel
>>65616328>you've never shot a varmint grenade out of a barrel optimized for long-for-caliber tracer roundsSounds like an egregious mismatch to me. Point stands.
>>65616343yesthis is what we were arguing about, no?same thing with 1:7 memeout barrels and cast bulletsoh figured out the OP picture, recall he commented the powder charge was reasonablebrass was poorly annealed and case head got softjust had a batch expand enough to lose primers with a really light subsonic load
>>65616143What velocity are you expecting
>>65616392Per Sierra out of a 24" barrel they say 2700fps, so out of a 20" I'm thinking 2500-2550fps. I don't own a chronograph yet but in the spring time I know someone who will let me borrow one.
>>65616412It's a worthwhile investment if you plan on reloading much. Quite necessary, in fact, as book and manufacturer data is often just ballpark (though still well on the safe side of course). It's the only way to really get an idea of what it is you're doing
>>65616423nta but even for plinking ammo?
>>65616430nah don't worry about itgone many years without a chrono
>>65616430Depends on how autistic you want to be about your plinking ammo. A Garmin Xero C1 is about the same cost as a Glock and personally I'd rather have data and not need it than vice-versa
>>65616143So, problem...Some rounds when chambered would not allow the bolt to close. 8/30 specifically had this issue. I had to re-crimp them for a tighter crimp, which means for uniformity I re-crimped all 30. The collets in my Lee .308 factory crimp did not touch still. In theory, even non-crimped loads should be OK in a bolt action.I'm going to the range tomorrow with my dad, who taught me the fundamentals of reloading. I called him earlier and he said it's not normal.Any thoughts?>>65616423Eventually I'd like to get one, yes.
>>65616546>I had to re-crimp them for a tighter crimp, which means for uniformity I re-crimped all 30Also, took the lower off my Aero .308, pulled the bolt back, manually sent it home and successfully chambered 1 round that did before re-crimping and 1 round that failed before re-crimping.I'm not testing these in my Aero tomorrow so I can ignore the nuances of another rifle.
Hey anons, I have a couple of questions regarding sabots, and AP rounds.>Do 5.56 slap rounds exist?and>Are slap rounds dangerous for the person shooting?I’ve heard that with 5.56, it can’t push through plates past level 3. I’ve just been thinking about societal collapse scenarios, and it’s got me curious.
>>65617050>Are slap rounds dangerous for the person shooting?If they're loaded to spec, no, but improperly loaded ones are common enough for at least one guntuber to have built a career off of almost getting killed by one, so…
>>65617050Reloading is a good times hobby, Not a post-apocalypse skill. Read up on the Balkan civil war to reprioritize your skillset for surviving such a scenario https://prephole.com/surviving-a-year-of-shtf-in-90s-bosnia-war-selco-forum-thread-6265/
>>65617055I appreciate that, and I will check that out tomorrow. Thanks.
a few rounds of 577 tyrannosaur.
>>65616546>>65616645Are you trimming your cases?
>>65616143>open tipsOne of the very rare times I've seen someone refer to those boolits by their more-accurate term.
>>65617050not really, there was some SPIW flechette fuckery but your typical tungsten core copper jacket stuff is the highest endwell the deciding factor is mostly velocity, so guys load AP to proof round pressuresor just load flashy gun show SLAP with whatever floor sweepings pistol powder is in their vacuum cleanerdon't worry about it, loading AP at home gets you vanned, just ask apanon someone shows up with a full plate carrier you're prolly just dead, comfort yourelf with thoughts of shooting them in the dick/neck/head
>>65617374No I just checked that they don't exceed the maximum case length. I had 9/40 exceed when measured so those went in the trim bin for later.
>>65617499you chamfer the case necks?raised burr gets smashed by the crimp die and chambers, maybe
>>65617475>just ask apanonI’ve never heard of him. What happened? I’m mainly just asking out of curiosity. Like in terms of what if some sort of global collapse were to happen, or in the next decade or so we have plate carrying AI humanoid robots roaming around or some crazy stuff like that.Idk, just a fun (not fun) hypothetical to think about.
>>65617534he was playing around with making AP information availablehim and the dagny dagger guy were about the same timeframe, but different peopledon't worry about it, just buy full power m193 and 20" barrels
>>65617475Also>comfort yourelf with thoughts of shooting them in the dick/neck/headThat reminds me of an old Tarkov meme. lol It’s the same context.>pic rel
>>65617546>don't worry about it, just buy full power m193 and 20" barrelsAccording to research I’ve done regarding 20” barrels, the only real advantages they serve is increasing the range of effectiveness (flatter trajectory), and maximum fragmentation or whatever. Apparently 5.56 out of certain length barrels has some AP abilities, but still cannot punch plates or whatever.And just to be transparent, I know I will more than likely never even have a use for AP, other than if I want to shoot some steel in my back yard. Which someday I would like to try for fun. I just like the conversations and learning I guess. Or maybe I’m a little autistic. Or both. Idk
>>65617590>According to research I’ve done regardingoh dear, you're retarded
>>65617690I’m open to being educated, and corrected.
>>65617499May want to trim to minimum length if it's going in an AR. The few I've used seemed to have tight chambers around the neck for some reason
>>65617546But did he actually get vanned? As I recall he was the one using an induction heater to melt the lead core out of fmj and replace it with welding tungsten? Best to my knowledge there is nothing illegal about that for rifle bullets
>>65617825223 is pistol ammom855 had an exemption which iirc recently went away
>>65618048I thought he was trying that with .308 but I don't remember much about those threads tbf
>>65618094nah 308 has lots of options readily available like eabco sabots with carbide in themhe was doing the dirty for some 223
