>9mm 115gr 3.5grs of Titegroup cycles my CZ 75B no problem
>fails to cycle my dad's Beretta and friends G48
I guess I'm going to have to load w/ 3.8grs of Titegroup from now on.

Can you improve handgun accuracy through reloading, or is there virtually no difference at 25 yards?

First for fuck /arg/.

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>>65645382

>>65645377
Through component selection, recoil management, and facilitating more shooting, yes. "Tuning" by the kernel for "muh harmonics muh nodes," no.

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Pistols just aren't all that accurate to begin with, and the subtle differences you'd see are going to be completely negligable at any range one would reasonably shoot at

>>65645477
>"Tuning" by the kernel for "muh harmonics muh nodes," no.
Pistol no, rifle yes?

>>65645377
Only improvement I saw was dropping plated bullets in favor of Hornady and Zero jacketed bullets

>>65645526
>rifle yes?
Yes.

>>65645526
You will get conflicting opinions on this but in my "research," opinion and experience, no. Things like OCW ladders etc are the statistical equivalent of reading tea leaves. In fact just use the tea leaves because those are cheap. Seating depth is a much more complicated subject because you get into issues of actual function/engagement between unique profiles and chambers, but again, small sample ladder tests are largely hocus pocus.

There are still substantial performance benefits that you can get out of reloading, it's more than worth it, but nodes and harmonics and everything to do with that is silly.

>>65645569
Ladder tests aren't always avout accuracy. I use them to find a desirable velocity

>>65645610
Sure, so do I, nobody should just dump in a near-max charge without working up first. That isn't the same thing though.

>>65645623
Oh you mean specifically the whole hunting for barrel harmonics thing? Ya, especially for the kinds of people that buy into that which almost always have bull barrels where the already negligable effects are almost completely negated anyway.

>>65645377
>Can you improve handgun accuracy through reloading
If the gun is a poor shooter no matter the ammo I would not bother. Some are so cheap or the parts poorly fit there is too much variability to bother with reloading to try to fix it. My dad had some Italian 380 (never heard of the make before) and it shot a 1 inch group at the muzzle and got much worse 2 inches out.
If the gun is a good shooter practice is best, if you really need more accuracy and can shoot better than the gun and factory ammo then trying reloading for a specific round can help but it will take time.

>>65645377
Yes, actually. Comp shooters download their ammo such that can barely cycle the pistol. This makes the gun flatter shooting, which improves follow up shot speed and can subjectively reduce flinching.

>>65645569
>harmonics and everything to do with that is silly.
>barrels don't have harmonics
Sure.

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What to do for case lube? I have Petroleum Jelly and ive read that can be used. Is there something better that you guys use? Something less pain in the ass to clean after sizing? There's no such thing as a shooting friendly no case clean up needed lube is there?

>>65645377
you can in the same way sticking with a single manufacturer for your ammo can.

you'll get better results if you always load your rounds the same, or if you always shoot the same type of ammo, instead of mucking around with rando brands of ammo

>>65647192
Seriously?
Just use this:
https://shop.rcbs.com/case-lube-kit/

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First loads of 7.5 Swiss. Had to spend nearly $1 a case for the brass. I've never shot my K31 before, so hopefully these light loads treat her right.

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Trimming .308 now
>>65647233
>Swiss
Based

>>65647192
I've used a tin of mink oil before but that was for sizing lead conicals

>>65647192
I simply stopped full length sizing. free yourself from the tedium and mess of lubricating cases. brass lasts longer too. and no more trimming. it's a win all around.

>>65647418
>no more trimming
NTA but brass still stretches over time.

>>65647418
Is it really worth it on a tiny round like 300 blacked? I get doing it on full size rifle brass.

>>65646858
Describe these harmonics. Describe how you can measure the position of the "node" and how much or how little the node moves along the length of the barrel with the 0.05% adjustments in powder charge that proponents of OCW ladder development employ. Explain how these changes aren't the equivalent of moving the tuning peg of a guitar string a couple mm each way when the string is 2.5 octaves off. Explain how you're actually measuring changes in harmonics with 3 or 5 shot groups that aren't repeatable. Explain why the performance of different loads should be chalked up to harmonics, rather than alignment of the projectile, matching projectiles to chambers and optimal powder burn (why is every "node" just below max with good case fill?).

And

Assuming I can find a real "node" and confirm it with truly large sample sizes, how do keep from losing the "node" with typical double base powders when the temperature changes by 10, 30, 50 degrees?

Shit is hocus pocus

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>>65647793
>Describe
Pic == 5. Node found.

>>65647233
Sweet

>>65648508
It's great that you have an accurate setup but unfortunate that you aren't interested in why it shoots well.

In the future get an African witchdoctor to do a dance around your powder jug. If your next 5 shot group is better, you'll know it worked, and your harmonic chakras are aligned.

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I have no oven so I threw my brass into my air fryer, 400 at 5 minutes.
They turned iridescent, but should still be structurally sound

>>65645348
Does anybody actually trim pistol brass?

>>65648712
Normally it cracks or gets lost long before it needs a trim.
I have .45 acp brass with no headstamp left from ejector impacts. Reloaded at least 50 times now and still in length spec.

>>65648707
Is 400 even enough to do anything? I thought proper annealing had to be around 700

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>>65648824
Nope, it just gave it some funky colors that polished off in the wet tumbler, speaking of...
Voila, my first round of rifle brass, 300 blackout. 147 grain fmj over 16 grains of H110, Extreme once fired brass and a rem 7½ primer. I hit it with the 0000 steel wool to give it a little extra shine ;)
So now ive done, shotgun, pistol and rifle reloading.

>>65647192
>What to do for case lube?
AstroGlide.
There was an X Files episode where Mulder discovered a bomb using a liquid as the explosive. He identified the explosive as astroglide

>>65648899
>147gr
Why the lightweight option

>>65648824
I assumed he was just drying them off after washing or wet tumbling them but then he posted again about putting them in a wet tumbler so now I don't know.

>>65648627
>In the future get an African witchdoctor to do a dance around your powder jug
Not needed. Pyramid Power is enough and you will learn that, in time. Voodoo is for faggots.

>>65648967
>identified the explosive as astroglide
Makes McGyver Sense.

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What's the best electronic powder trickler?

Are they all made in China? If so that's disappointing.

>>65649746
>Are they all made in China
Yes. I was gifted a Frankford one and it's Chinese made...
Still haven't used it yet though.

>>65649746
>>65649756
the RCBS ones are made in Taiwan, while the rest are PRC. I haven't tried any of them but I do hear lots of bad about the Frankford and the Hornady. I will probably go with the RCBS and do a review of it here.

I have never reloaded before so forgive the dumb question
I wanted aguila super colibri rounds or something similar but they seem to be out of stock or .46 per round
Is it possible to pull the projectile from some light gr 22lr rounds, dump out all or most of the powder and then put the bullet back in?
What would i need to do this if it is feasible?

>>65649772
>hornady
Wouldn't trust it at all, personally, just from my experience with their products. I like their bullets and presses, but a lot of their paraphernalia is just complete junk
>frankford
Kinda the same feel as above but I've only used a few of their things. I have their electronic scale and it's, eh, not great. I doubt their trickler is much better

>>65649878
Re/loading rimfire cartridges is pointless and stupid. You can read about boomers doing it for clout on the various forums if you're still interested. Have fun!

>>65649746
Prometheus II.
AutoTrickler V3/V4 if you're feeling cheap.
Personally my Lyman Autoscale worked just fine for everything I need.

Just finished putting a bunch of NFC stickers in all my storage boxes. Have my load data available at the tap of a phone now.

>>65650055
>pointless
Solid Ti or W projectiles are not pointless.

>>65650055
I knew reloading them wouldn't be worth bothering with, didn't know it would be a bad idea to pop out the projectile and pop it back in
Is there a reason this is a bad idea? Or just have fun

>>65650088
In rimfire? What for?

>>65650094
Not that guy but you can do it. Not terribly advised tho.
Even the factory powderless rounds say not to fire them in long rifles because they can squib in the bore and you probably wouldn’t notice and send another one after it which is a bigger problem.
Without a crimper of some sort I wouldn’t try loading it in anything but a single shot or revolver. And even then if you get a misfire which is likely even without fucking with them, you could leave the bullet left behind in the chamber and have a similar issue as above.
Where are you getting 20gr bbs?

>>65650225
Thanks for the reply
>Where are you getting 20gr bbs?
That was part of my initial question.
I figured it would be ok to use a 32gr cci round or something, remove most if not all of the powder, wadding down the remainder if any, and reinserting the same projectile.
If it is too dumb then i won't bother. I wanted something quieter than the normal remington or cci subsonics to plug varmints in my backyard.
Maybe a pellet gun is the way to go
The gun i was planning to use is a single shot break action

>>65650254
Find some 6mm CB or BB.

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>>65649310
They are cheap and plentiful, just what I need. I do have some 110 Grain Barnes TSX and TTSX on the way.
>>65649517
I wet tumble twice
>decap
>wet tumble for 30 minutes
>air fryer dry for 3 minutes (at 250, I fat lingered the settings when I posted the first pic)
>lube and resize
>second wet tumble for 10 minutes to clean off lube
>air fryer dry again
>anneal (debating if its worth it or if I should just skip again)
>trim (I should trim before second wash, I know)
>prime and load

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>>65650693
Nice. I don't know what .300blk sub loads look like really, I just know that they often share projectiles with .308. I'd think the much heavier ones would be better but they're generally more expensive. For supersonics, 147 is probably just fine though

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>>65650810
Every 300 blk sub round i have seen has always been a 200 grain round nose long boi. I dont own a suppressor and im not in a hurry to get one so im fine with pushing supers.

>>65650088
>not pointless
I bet you could get them as wadcutters, balls-Hitler.

>>65648716
Nice, I was thinking of 45 in particular.

you guys know any books for black powder reload ?
I got an original 1873 trapdoor but i don't want to gamble with some bubba hyper spicy load written on some forums

>>65645348
>>65645526
Get a ransom rest and let us know.

>>65652216
45-70, anon. What does the second set of digits denominate?

>>65652216
Hodgdon has a specific trapdoor list on their reloading data center website
https://hodgdonreloading.com/rldc/

>>65647192
I've settled on homebrew Dillon Case lube: 7-8 parts isopropyl alcohol to 1 parts liquid lanolin. I had tried all the "thinner" case lubes like Hornady and Lee and no matter how thick or thin I applied it I always got stuck cases. If you go that route you'll want to give the alcohol a chance to evaporate or it can cause an air bubble to form in the resizing die and dent your cases (I don't remember the physics reason why). Problem is that once that alcohol evaporates you'll be left with a layer of tacky lanolin so I do a second case cleaning/polish after resizing (and trimming if needed, damn all these milsurps and their generous chambers). Never had a stuck case again.

>>65652522
yeah, if you use black powder from the time it was made.
new black powder is more spicy in comparison.

>>65652769
>need to find Trail boss powder for it
god fucking damnit, at least i know the charge IF i can find an equivalent, thanks anon.

>>65653275
>new black powder is more spicy in comparison.
I was unaware bp changed since 1873. What happened?

>>65653041
>new black powder is more spicy in comparison.
I was unaware bp changed since 1873. What happened?

>>65650839
>owns 300memeout
>doesn't do the one thing it is good at
I can only sigh

>>65653041
>new black powder is more spicy in comparison.
That is in direct counter to everyone's experience.

>>65653279
a very slight change in how it's made, you know to increase volume produce by day, it depend on the brand not ALL bp is like that.
in france for exemple we got two BP producers, Vectan and the swiss.
while the swiss actually keep it simple and original the Vectan changed the production, in turn it made their bp slightly more explosive that the standard swiss.
anyone here reloading with the Vectan is basically saying this
>it increase felt recoil and make the gun even more dirty
so instead of doing standard bp loads you would with a swiss powder you have to lower the dosage with the Vectan and since it's a trapdoor that mean i have to make subsonic loads instead of standard loads (as it says on hogdon page).

the only hogdon i can get is the pyrodex P or RS, if i was shooting a modern repro i wouldn't gave a shit at all, i'll just charge it whatever, but it's an original and i don't want to fuck it up.

>>65650839
>Dog dick

I finally ordered Winchester primers, Accurate #5 and some 158 grain Zero bulets, so maybe I'll have something to contribute pretty soon.

>>65654103
Fucked up on the primers.
Winchesters crack too often.