/arg/ Monday editionPreviously>>65607885
first for AR15
scar boyss
>>65612520whjy this nigga look like a kpop idol
>>65612497Took such cute pictures of my guns today. Need to get some more snow pics.
>>65612531You genuinely think all asians look alike. You are impressively racist.
I should buy the salty elcan for $999 but I don’t have a rifle for it
>>65612520Trying to attract A2 back with a twink SCAR combo is admirable
>>65612520
>>65612706The head do be small
Anyone tried one of the newer and cheaper primary arms prism optics they released? My ROMEO5 is now almost unusable for me. I have a microprism from PA and love it already but that was almost double the price, so I'm skeptical of this newer cheaper one. Fellow astigmatism brothers, please help me.
>>65612723Forgot pic
I'm gonna buy a knockoff scalarworks magnifier mount off amazon.If it sucks, I'm only down a couple bucks and I have a silly story to tell.If it works, I save 200 dollars.
>>65612723PA is chinesium, but it's good chinesiumJust avoid their MD-21 lineup. Really bad glare/halo issues widely reported.
>>65612730>Just avoid their MD-21 lineupWell, that's a red dot so I won't touch it. It's prism or holo for me, and I don't want to spend eotech money on a gun I have an $80 red dot on right now.
>>65612510my aimpoint is on the last rail hanging over by like one centimeter am i going to make it?
>>65612746Get one of those scalarworks mounts for it
Can't wait to do a MK18 with VCOG
>>65612729I got a knockoff unity and it’s been great. Eventually I swapped in a real adm qd lever. I was just shooting with it yesterday.
>>65612671Who cares
>>65612671>salty elcanThey won't fix it.
>>65612856Building a MK18 Mod 0 clone. To front sight post gas block or not?
Was A2 posting at all from overseas?I was just thinking, if not, who’s to say he just can’t post while he’s gone? Was it even confirmed that he went over there?
>>65613178He's dead anon.
>>65613178>>65613186Extremely sad. I wanted to pester him with a bunch of gear and training questions.
>>65613190This is the unfortunate reality of modern warfare. A man with thousands of dollars worth of gear and a lifetime of training just to be taken down by an 80 IQ yemeni with a drone made from alibaba parts.
>>65613208>Don't move in the open>if you have to move in the open move at night>Always try to move from cover to cover>Carry thermal and scan the skies for heat sourcesI should throw my drone up to see how far away my thermal detects it. So far I've picked up planes with my Rh25V2 but they're a bit bigger.
>>65613208>dumb nigger discovers artillery
You're getting a lot of mileage out of this drone shitpost
>>65613232Coping won't bring A2 back to life
Should I put a DT, CTR, or SL on my 11.5"?I just want to be comfy.
>>65613261STR or SLOPMOD
>>65613261CTR is pretty comfy.
>>65613261B5 Bravo
>>65613261CTR wit da .25 riser
>>65613275>B5 equipped Magpul L
>>65613279it was for looks, has since been swapped
>>65613281A lot less rizzSad!
>>65613284look man I took the vertical pistol grip pill with the kung-fu grip and it looked funky with the slopmod
>>65613288That one looks fine. The Kung Fu grip is a meme though. Driven Arms Co makes more comfy alternatives if you're looking for a more vertical angle than the ol A2
>>65613281The CTR looks much better
>>65612497What’s a good upper choice for a ddm4 complete lower besides Daniel defense?
>>65613322Daniel Defense
>>65613293>The Kung Fu grip is a meme thoughAgreed, I like the angle but the weird V-shape in the grip feels like shit since it tapers towards the palm. Gonna get the driven arms ULCG-FS for both 416 and 11.5>>65613304Agreed, the .25 riser makes it a bit better imo
>>65613322>good choiceYou won't like this but just about any upper will be a fine upper choice.
>>65613335I just don’t want to put something fake and gay on it.
Any reason for the backwards riser or does he think an overhanging eotech will still make the rail bend
>>65613339If I really had to guess, the logical answer is he's worried about snag risk. The probably correct answer is he doesn't know/care
>>65613338As long as you're not buying the 3000 dollar boutique bullshit, you'll probably be fine. Geissele, Larue, Daniel Defense, BCM, hell even SOLGW, Noveseke, etc should all be fine. Wait until black friday coming up very soon there will be sales.
>>65613339Seems like the backwards bcm grip, does it matter?
>>65613339I think the riser forward looks stupid so maybe he thinks the same.
>>65613338LWRCIDaniel DefenseKACGeisseleBCMLarueMaybe Centurion Arms. Don't have experience.
>>65613208How is that any different from every day life you subhuman effeminate?
>vcog
>>65613365You should go fight in Yemen tough guy.
>>65613407Sorry, I don't let swarthy men top me like Muhammed in the Quran or how A2 did
zutted
>>65612497Goody ahh rifle
>>65613322Palmetto state armory
So this is why everyone was trying to offload their Rh25v2s recently.
>>65613467why do people disparage PSA so much?
>>65613514PSA's quality control can be hit or miss for their uppers. And don't even talk about their AK QC.
>>65613514Because you don't have to pay $3000 for one and gunko pop meta chasers get mad at a rifle that functions just fine at $1000 instead of what you'd pay for DD, Larue, KAC, Noveske etcAre they AS good as the aforementioned? No not really. Are they reliable and extremely good value? Yes absolutely. Past a certain point you're just paying for bells and whistles. It just comes down to bragging rights over who paid the most for their rifle
>>65613526>Are they reliable and extremely good valuethrowing a flag on the field for this one. I would say their sabre line is gtg, but anything else made by PSA is a huge YMMV. I personally believe they have too many eggs in one basket with everything they manufacture, and that results in inconsistent QC across their entire lineup. Sabre is gtg only because it's hard to fuck up the AR in the modern age>get mad at a rifle that functions just fine at $1000 instead of what you'd pay for DD, Larue, KAC, Noveske etcWhat pay for with these companies is, as mentioned, more streamlined QC and generally better performance when it comes to barrels, bolts, etc. PSA is fine for the guy who wants and AR and doesn't shoot it more than 4 times a year, but I would never consider anything less than their sabre lineup for "serious" use
>>65613348This is the way.
>>65613638nice rifle, may I ask why that wacky-ass muzzle brake
>>65612671Yes you should anon, don’t listen to the elcan-less fags (I’m the seller) I’m gonna list it in tacswap soon. I’m going to standardize all of my rifles & scopes around the Dentler Vario system and there’s no way for me to integrate an Elcan into that.
>>65613608I was referring to sabre given the $1000 price point but even the guardsman line is fine. Obviously if you buy some $450 blem sale it's not going to be anywhere near top tier brands but sabre is definitely a line you can rely on
>>65613663>blemA blem should be the exact same thing as the more expensive model just with scratches and shits, cosmetic. If you're finding genuine issues with blem stuff from PSA that speaks volumes about their quality overall.
>>65613677Was just making a point about the price, rephrase it as a standard $500 PSA rifle if you will. My point is yes you'll notice a big difference between that and something like BCM but between BCM and Sabre not so much
>>65613160>Mod 0>To front sight post gas block or not?Don't those all have front sight blocks?
>>65613322Why would you get that lower?
>>65613513What do you think this will go for? I'm seeing $5k on their website but I'm assuming it will be lower from retailers?
>>65613688BCM doesn't have a reputation for putting out lemons like PSA does.
>>65613700The higher tier model is going for 6.5k from what I am seeing.
The diarrhea wife didn't answer the door and sign for the acog. How do I punish her for this transgression
>>65613322Why the fuck did you buy that >>65613513>1280 moggedI need to know if my fuckhuge ocular lense can still cope at 640. >>65613526JAG! Gunko pop adult legos!
>>65613708Oh yeah I was looking at the 640 since I'm a broke bitch.
>>65613692>>65613746I wanted to put together a DD rifle.
>>65613766Oh you're that retard. Yeah have fun.
>>65613769Care to elaborate how I fucked up?
>>65613775I did that when you were thinking about buying it.
>>65613743Idk I'll never have one of those
>>65613782Thread and post, anon. Because I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
>>65613746I meant objective, I didn’t sleep last night >>65613766Well at least the roll mark is decent. Just buy a mk18 upper whenever they go on sale.
>>65613858>worrying about rollmark
>>65612497I bought a KAK lower and a BCM 14.5" upper for my first AR, i'm excited
>>65613988Why would you be so happy to tell us you made a big mistake?
>>65613988>BCM>KAK
>>65613990No such thing, only happy accidents
I got an elcan because I said I would if I got dubs
11.5" MK1 acquired, nics only took a few min. Snagged a flow 556k from another LGS on the way to the range, got my normie asshole instagram mullet at the stylist next door while I waited on my cans 4473. Runs like a dream did nothing but bill drills for half a case of ammo & it didn't even get hot . Only have a ARO and cloud rein on it for now, going to upgrade to i surefire or modlite and a EOtech eventually.
>>65614007Weak bait
>>65614002Can I have it if this post gets singles?
Built a poverty larp sbr Its pretty fun
>>65614025Erm no but if this post gets 777 you can have it
>>65614002>want to get the elcan i see that has the rubber mount thing>go to website >their 3000 bux>rubber sleeve is separatelame.
>>65614035It's over. Just like that it's over.
If this post gets 4057 I will give my away my MK1
>>65613893>t. Spikes Tactical spider lower owner >>65613988Nice. What optic are you thinking? >>65614002If my China red dot fails I’m on the hook for a full retail price T2 >>65614047To the homeless
After replacing my RIS II with a Centurion C4 for minimal weight savings, I realized mlok does in fact suck. Who makes good quad rails?
>>65614038This general exists for skinny retards to flex their overpriced gear. Flexing online is all they have to justify their purchase, just let them have it.
>>65614057i just want an elcan clone bro.
>>65614055Centurion Larue if you don't like dd.
>the only new elcan you can buy is the pic rail mount version that is genuinely worse and costs $1,000 more bc fuck youBrutal
>>65614055RIS 2
FUCKING A2 RUINED EVERYTHING.HE IS GONE. NOW GQ IS ARMOR AUTISM SHITBOX. NOW HERE IS LAME. PFG IS DEAD. NVG IS DEAD.RAWR.
>>65614063I've been doing a lot of coming to terms with the fact that I will never have certain things. Women, kids, a house, a brand new elcan without the rail. These are things that are not meant for me.
>>65614054>hating on the double dong skull fuck
>>65614054>What optic are you thinking?Ordered a SIG Romeo5, I was 50/50 between that and one of Primary's 3x prism optics. I'll probably swap it in the future unless I really like it
>>65614076i'm coming to terms with the fact my esapis are not real plates :<
>>65614095Plates are heavy. Can't believe I wasted money on that shit. The me who wanted to live isn't even around anymore.
>>65614106what did you buy?
>>65614108If I say it one more time it will trip the pattern recognition sensors and I can't have that.
>>65614110esapis???
>>65614130esnupi
>>65614169
Anyone still have keymod?
>>65614182I found a handguard in storage that I thought I threw out a long time ago.
>>65614063>>65614076you retarded fagot that's why we've been steering you away from it the past 3 threads. stupid mfers never listen. You aren't a fucking ball knower.>>65614007the only good thing about the mk1 is the rail setup and heat dissipation it's arguably a worse shooter than other guns half the cost. I'll give it to SOLGW their marketing is good and the gun does not get hot at all.
>>65613322throw a ddm4v7s upper with a fire team 556 xeno setup with a T2 scalarworks, h3 buffer.
>>65614192If you think I didn't already know about it then I'm not the retard here. I've been pissed about it for a while now.
>>65614192I already have one bozo
>>65613322Battlehawk sent me an email about these dd uppers that come with the new vortex 1-10 for around $4k. Flip the scope and you have a practically free upper.
if i hear one more mf mistake accuracy for precision i'm gonna lose my shit
>>65614217Trip on ash.
>>65614217It’s not a mistake, they mean the same thing
>>65614227no
>>65614227>the absolute state of education in brown countries
>>65614192Does it really not get hot, I've heard mixed opinions, maybe the barrel being stainless or 4150 affects that. And the claims that it's some recoil delete gun are retarded, i have a pretty gassy upper on an a5 lower and while the dot barely moves it's still cycling pretty hard
>>65613639just a placeholder. I think it's cool.
>>65613513>better for helmet mounting / scanning due to increased FOV>thermal overlay meme >cant do anything about 1x being a micro screen because that’s just how it works Tbqh I’m not seeing the point or getting the $6,500 one. Probably better to pick up a cheap RHV2 and spend the extra money on a dedicated helmet mounted option if you care about it so much
>>65614285>cant do anything about 1x being a micro screen because that’s just how it worksCan you explain that? So this one doesn't have one of those magnifying lenses over the screen? I'm confused on how you would use this at 1x, and other magnifications for that matter. The one I've used has a "clip on" mode but it doesn't have a 1x.
>>65614285I think the main point is the resolution especially at distance. That 7999 is the Nocpix 1280 at 200 yards. Compared to the first one which is 1024 resolution, the third one is 384 res and the final far right one is 685 res.https://youtu.be/52yFEdpNRsI?t=569
>>65614285Oh yeah and what is the reason for getting this over an rhv2? I'm comparing the 640 unit to it, I get why you would want the 1280. I don't get why you would pay more for the nocpix with an equivalent sensor. Is there some sort of image issue that I don't know enough to pick up on? The stats look about the same.
>>65614285>better product in every way comes out>niggers still bitchcope or retardation.
>>65614258it absolutely does not get hot at all.is that worth over 3k for you?
>>65614319>whoa why would I want literally double the pixels>why would I want the ability to do 10-12x mag instead of 2-3x mag on clip onwhy why whywhine whine whine you realize it's the same price as what the OG rh25 was when it first came out. the tech doubles every 5-6 years.
>>65614332Yeah thanks but I'd like to hear from someone who could read past the first sentence.
>>65614285Just wait for the pfalcon version, $2000+ discount. This launch price is very close to v1 and v2>panic dumped v2This is the play IMO (I have v1 and v2). Still buying v3 factory direct assuming they aren't dumping exporters in a flooded bunker>>65614302It's a 4 in 1 so it's got an ocular, which means it has to be collimated to your optic>>65614313It may be a wash due to the increased FoV (degrees/pixel). netd and glass usually improves every generation tho
I got an FDE elcan without the gay rail for like 2k new a couple years ago feels good man I GOT MINE SONNY BOY
>>65614302Clip on mode is 1x base magnification and the image itself on screen has to be such a size that your magnified optic can make practical use of it once you are looking at that magnified image >>65614319That’s kind of my point. It’s a 4 in 1 unit so while it’s offering improvements they seem to be spread across all the different uses but if you’re someone who’s using it primarily as a clip on I dont think the improvements to the clip on aspect are all that significant from what can be had in an RHV2 which presumably will just get cheaper now anyway.>>65614332Considering most people are using 3x magnifiers on their rifles I don’t think this matters as much
>>65614381I'm happy for you. Jealous but happy.
>>65614385they even changed the FDE to look awful instead of iconic daniel defense shit brown
>>65614385
>>65614365>>65614383>It's a 4 in 1 so it's got an ocular, which means it has to be collimated to your optic>the image itself on screen has to be such a size that your magnified optic can make practical use of itOkay so it's built with the intention that you use it with a magnified optic? I think I have a fundamental misunderstanding on how clipons are used. I don't really pay attention to this stuff I just see people talk about it sometimes in here. I was under the impression that I NEEDED a 1x optic to use with a thermal clip on.>>65614391I'd paint it but that still hurts to hear.
>>65613514They make AKs parts made of chinesium
>>65614398Scanner first, clip on second. Yes it can sit in front of an optic but you'll need to zero the thermal
I had remembered asking the Boss (LOLbert Snake) about an updated AR-15 photograph for the AR-15 collage last week and checked the previous thread. It was there thankfully along with the AR-15's belonging to several of my other internet pals such as KC and G$ anon. What escapes my recollection is whether Navajo rug anon preferred the rail mounted or A2 "Gooseneck" CompM4 photo.Then I saw a schizo claiming I'm in /gq/ in spite of my being a nokitz which was never a secret but he's convinced otherwise because of "posting styles" or some shit. No disrespect to plate or mag carrier anons but Rittenhouse proved that a 30-round magazine loaded with FMJ, a sling, rudimentary optic, nylon gloves and some water is all the kit you need to defend your community from race rioters (he never even used the IFAK)I've also decided to include Ash's AR-15 because his voucher was more useful than I ever expected. INB4 someone runs this through an intelligence estimator which will probably rate my text as 70-77 IQ, kek.
>>65614411Is that in addition to my junk one or can that fill the scanner role? That's all I use it for. I zeroed it but when the fuck am I ever going to use that? Apparently it's illegal to use them on coyotes even, and I don't have a farm so pigs aren't really my problem.
>>65614383It has a slightly better displayV1 tops out around 4xV2 tops out around 6xThis one probably 8x>>65614413pb nobody cares and you should exclude all of Ash's rifles that are unfired (more than you would think)
>>65614420They are excellent scanners. Slightly too large for a pants pocket (about pvs14 size)
>>65614413I run every post through an intelligence simulater it's called my brain.
>>65614426Yeah it's not really comfortable to hold I was thinking about doing some sort of rubber cover for it like those ones for t2s.
>>65614420>illegal to use them on coyotes evenwhat dumbass state are you in?
>>65614437>>65614420>>65614398you better have backup batteries if you're gonna use it as a handheld they drain fast. it's primary as a helmet mount with a usb battery pack connected then you can scan for hours on end. Secondary use as a clip on, then as a weapon mount.looks like they improved the oem mount too it's QD 1.93 the other versions had recoil lugs and weren't QD. youd buy that separate.
>>65614440Eh, v2 much better than v1, at least v2 doesn't lock up in standby. I'd say 4hrs with mixed standby and brightness 1-3 on v2. v1 maybe 3 hoursUSB rechargeable 18650 are a must
>>65614438It's a local thing not the whole state. I'm not getting on the highway for this.>>65614440Yeah the one I have says it's like 4 hours per battery but I put one in fully charged, forgot to turn it off, and it was dead when I got home maybe an hour later.
>mfw putting a $300 PSA upper on a $400 stripped LMT lower
NGL I want a PSA Sabre M110 clone.Any of you bros have one?
>>65614413>rug anon preferred the rail mounted or A2 "Gooseneck" CompM4 photo.I think I like the gooseneck better, but honestly, it's up to you.
>>65614612they look neat. heard they're unreliable af tho. they would be in stock and ready to buy unlike PRi which would take months probably.
>>65614612What size belt is that? If it's a medium can you do me a favor and measure it?
I put a $700 T2 on a $500 Athlon
>>65614658So over stacked dots unless it's an acog. I'll just kms if I have to dial the magnification down.
>>65612856Why not move the laser forward and lose the pressure pad?
>>65614633I'll have to check in the morning.I'm not around my setup right now, but I'll reply tomorrow with the size / measurement. love the belt though
>>65614700Thanks. I have a medium lab and a medium smu and there are some serious size discrepancies. I think maybe they put the wrong size label on this belt. I can't even adjust it low enough because the molle webbing is in the way. It's as tight as it gets and it falls right off my hips. The lab is still fantastic I never should have bothered "upgrading."
>>65612510>>65614619>that rug
>>65614708This is my first fuck you a2 moment. I never fell for anything else he sold.
>>65614731yeah?
>>65614742Big time signal in the community.
>>65614744
>under 9lbs fully loaded>better than .5moa accuracyI'll take it.
More like .300 crackout
>>65614754>1lb less than my king shit big dick gpr with all the bells and whistles i could ask for>have to be a fucking faggot to get thereNah man I'm just good on that. In the age of drones I'm not going down with a pink double dildo in my hands.
>>65614742It's beautiful. Take care of it.
>>65614794thanks. I will.
Howdy
In your opinion, if I have a 20” PSA upper on a bushmaster lower, should I just keep the upper or sell it?Idk if it’s just me, but I feel like the upper doesn’t really fit the lower (it has a little wiggle room side to side), and I feel like it’s not the highest quality, or at least on par with the lower. I know PSA doesn’t have the best rep; I mean I think it’s fine, but I just don’t know if it’s as bad as I’m making it out to be in my head. If I ever wind up selling it, I might just get an A1 upper. Idk.
>>65614817in my opinion im not reading that fucking essay
>>65614817>I feel like the upper doesn’t really fit the lower (it has a little wiggle room side to side), shim the fucker, accuwedge or whatever>and I feel like it’s not the highest quality, or at least on par with the lower.it is cause bushmaster is also shit. like legitimately it was the cheap bottom of the barrel good enough option out of the 3 back then before everyone made ars and psa is the cheap option now.
>>65614847Then don’t? It’s not bothering me.>>65614869Then what brand is considered good without being past the point where you’re just paying for the roll mark?
>>65614421>8x 640 bros, it’s over >>65614679lol>>65614890Why did you buy a 20 in the first place? Gunko pop? No one can tell you what to buy if you don’t state a PoU.
>>65614754>accuracythat's not the word you're looking for
Gath gun
>>65614754>like a lb heavier>includes a white light>1 moa or better PRECISION not accuracy you mong>doesn't make me look like a homosexual
>>65615197>doesn't make me look like a homosexualanon I...
Piggyback dots suck but it’s the only way I can shoot in the prone while wearing plates
>>65614754you're never fully dressed without a light & sling
Final decision timeRC4 or CRS-3?
>>65615356I wish I could offer opinions on suppressors.
>>65615363I already have a can I just want to buy another one for my 11.5 so I dont have to keep swapping back and forth
How long should I leave my FSB pins in the freezer for?
>>656154171 hr to 5 business days
>>65615356it's whether you stick with KAC ecosystem or Surefire really, imo kac has worse customer support and their shit is never in stock. Contrary surefire is always in stock and good CS.
>>65614907I bought a 20” because ballistically speaking it can get more use out of 5.56 than a carbine, and I love cheap ammo.I’m under the impression that a 20 inch barrel turns m193 into a pretty serious round.How accurate all of this is- I don’t know. I hear conflicting things. If having a 20” barrel is not that great, then I’m all for bing properly educated.I guess it’s impossible to have 1 rifle that does it all, but I live in a rural area, and essentially I want a combat rifle that would be perfect for a scenario where everything goes to crap. I’m open to criticism and correction on this.
>>65615532m193 is perfectly deadly out of a 14.5, and if people are wearing plates, 90% of the time they will be L4 anyway so all 5.56 is gonna get stopped.
>>65615549ong this country is cooked senpai
>>65614413Those intelligence estimators are retarded! They don't even say your emotional intelligence quotient (and mine would be the highest)
>>65615564How will Republicans spin this one? Let me guess, M4s on Mars is a LIBERAL conspiracy?
I am the most emotionally intelligent, empathetic anon who ever posted
>>65615568what are you talking about? we never used the M4, you fucking liberal.
Attacking Iran was the biggest strategic mistake any president has made in decades.
>>65615589Sir this is a wendy's.
>>65615601This is a Wendy's in iran.
>>65615532>How accurate all of this is- I don’t know. I hear conflicting things. If having a 20” barrel is not that great, then I’m all for bing properly educated.it's not accurate. because you can watch buffman shoot any modern level 4 plate and it will stop m193 out of a 22 inch barrel. but I appreciate your cope on your barrel length purchase.until HICAR is released publicly AP 308/6.5 is your plate round.
>>65615589I dont get why they cant just let them be retarded Muslims in peace.>develop muh nukesok cool, you and dozen other countries have interceptors and can put them back in the stone age within minutes.seems like a waste of time IMO.>muh tortured civilians, dictatorshiplike any other country?ok then, form a coalition like Iraq 1.0 and murk them. oh thats right you won't because all other countries won't poney up and the Saudis want poor white dudes to fight their wars for them.
>>65615620>ok then, form a coalition like Iraq 1.0 and murk them.The iranians are substantially more technologically advanced, have endless impenetrable underground facilities and a near bottomless magazine of hypersonic ballistic missiles. The entire country is a terrain from hell and doing any sort of meaningful land invasion is impossible without the troops getting endlessly dronespammed. We literally can't do shit to them which is why trump wants to destroy power plants instead.
I've developed suppressor autism
>>65615532M193 out of a 20" will pierce most steel plates.M855 out of the same 20" will pierce most UHMWPE plates.Neither round or M855A1 even will pierce a good Level IV plate unless you score second hits very close to the first. Needs to be within 2".>>65615539M995 at 3,400ft/s will pierce various boron carbide or steel (these exist but are gun show 12lb specials) Level IVs. Cheaper Alumina and SiC plates can handle it fine.More advanced 5.56 AP will do better but won't do all IVs reliably first hit.>>65615617Nah, .300 Winmag M2AP reloads. 6.5 ain't gonna do shit and AP .308 isn't reliable.Buffman's testing shows M2AP at 3,300 clears most IVs with ease. Exceptions are Adept Colossus and likely other hardass "IV+" plates like the Gilliam 8002, along with the Protech 2230.
Train headshots and legshoys brother HH
>>65615651i don't like that guy and don't care about anything he has to say
>>65615649Contrary to what other people are saying, the vast majority of armor CONUS outside of law enforcement / military is going to be steel. You only need to look at sales numbers to see this is true.It is not uncommon for steel armor companies to sell thousands of plates on ebay and other side gig platforms alone.In that case, you can pierce per the guidelines in >>65615647. Dick shots are still preferable unless you KNOW you can pierce, which you don't with 5.56 because you don't know the plate.
>>6561553214.5 or 16 is more than sufficient for long range with nicer ammo. Otherwise just get an 11.5 and a can. We have entered the drone age. M4s are PDWs. >platesAim for the face, problem solved
>>65615683aiming for the dick is way more effective not even considering the logistical issues for the opfor. think about it, you're in the big piggly wiggly and you hear from the squad leader >watch out there's a snipeor >watch out there's a guy who shoots people in the dick which is gonna have more effect on morale.
>>65615575THEY'RE SAYING ONLY A SNOWFLAKE DON'T WANT NO PISTON
>>65615699Agreed. Helmets are increasingly rifle rated wholesale and there are instances of even ACHs and such ricocheting rifle rounds they aren't rated for.Dick, femoral, pelvis shots are the counter to plates. Also just magdumping and explosives.Problem is close quarters, you'll just end up trading hits if both guys magdump. If you can clear the plate on the first hit with strong AP ammo, you're in much better overall shape. Problem is that unless you have tungsten on your side, busting a IV first hit means you gotta bust your ass.
>>65615699I guess it depends. CNS eliminates an immediate threat. Femoral is potentially a larger target area to create a casualty.
>>65615699>aiming for the dickIs this a noguns fudd posting this? People aim center mass because that's the easiest to hit. It's like the idiots saying>just shoot them in the leg!as if that's just a casual thing you're going to do a 200 yards.
>>65615705I'm curious if my LMT piston is comparable to the Sako piston.
>>65615732But not the head? C'mon dude
>>65615699Anon, what if in the next 5-10 years human soldiers and LE are replaced with AI robots?>>65615647>M193 out of a 20" will pierce most steel plates.M855 out of the same 20" will pierce most UHMWPE plates.I know nothing about plates. Are you saying that out of a 20” barrel m193 is good for if I don’t want to stock up on m855 but still want potential for busting plates?
>>65615753I never implied otherwise with the head, it's just as difficult to aim at as it is your dick.
>>65615757>replaced with robotsI can live out my fantasies of shooting clankers!
>>65615683By that logic though, wouldn’t it be smarter to stock up on birdshot like raccoon anon mentioned years back?
>>65615759the anon I was actually talking to has mentioned headshots, in your case the dick shot would be a substantially smaller target to be fair.
>>65615759The dick is right next to your femorals and your pelvis / abdomen, none of which are covered by the plate or a helmet.Bot post?>>65615757Depends on the material of the plates. Steel plates will handle M855 fine. PE plates will handle M193 fine. Ceramic plates do both.>>65615773Femorals and what else is next to the dick.>>65615766No, because you can Ukraine it up and easily stop birdshot with even the shittiest soft armor out of a department trash can.There is a 10 mile gap between pistol / shotgun and actual rifle threats in terms of armor penetration.
>>65615780>Bot postYou clearly are the bot post. Aiming specifically for the dick is just as difficult as aiming specifically for the head. That's why militaries train to shoot for center mass. That's half the reason why plates cover center mass.
>>65615791>The dick is right next to your femorals and your pelvislol. Bro thinks this is Fallout and you have to specifically target rather than what's incidential to the point of aim.>That's half the reason why plates cover center mass.No, it's literally because those are your vital organs and expanding the plate elsewhere is an ergonomic / weight disaster.
>>65615780>Steel plates will handle M855 fine. PE plates will handle M193 fine. Ceramic plates do both.Then what is the actual point of a 20” barrel in 5.56 other than aesthetics?I’m not even trying to be funny. Genuine hypothetical questions here. What’s the ideal length of a 5.56 if it can’t bust plates out of a 20” barrel, but you still want max potential out of a 5.56? And at that point is it unironically smarter to go for headshots in the case of a societal collapse where foreign soldiers (or bandits or whatever) are wearing plates?
>>65615796>you have to specifically targetIf my zero is set for center mass and my reticle is designed to aim for center mass, yes? You do shoot guns right? Even your dot should be zero'd for center mass.
>>65615829Because steel plates can handle M193 at lower velocity (this ranges from 2,600ft/s to 3,100ft/s generally, 3,250-3,300 is what you want to pierce most) and PE plates can handle M855 at lower velocity (M855 gets iffy at 2,800 and below). More velocity, better your odds.>And at that point is it unironically smarter to go for headshots in the case of a societal collapse where foreign soldiers (or bandits or whatever) are wearing plates?No, go below the plate and go for abdominal or femorals or dick. Head you'll just miss. If you want to pierce, get a .300 winmag and reload with pulled M2AP. Level IVs are only good against that threat up to 2,910ft/s. A .300Win can get you to 3,300ft/s or above.Good news is that a lot of "civilian" plates are seriously sub par and you'll be able to pierce with repeat hits.
>>65615837bot põst
>>65615849>Anon gets upset because he can't argue any moreMany such cases.
>>65615862>Bro thinks this is Fallout and you have to specifically target rather than what's incidential to the point of aim.Stands unrefuted.
>>65615875What are ballistics for 500 jeff?
>>65615877in what way? internal, external, or terminal / through-armor?
>bot postbote post
>>65615878https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9xHE4dApRs
unemployment general
>>65615887this is true, I haven't had a job since april
>>65614421>nobody careshttps://youtu.be/ti9bzNWWTDY>>65614431>simulater>>65614619Solid copy, anon. I have to clean it up in that one browser based AI generator>>65615567>emotional intelligence quotientProbably because there's no such thing as one :v
>>65614413Yeah I don't know how that schizo thought you were in /bag/ i mean /gq/
>>65615890Same., i think the LGS guy knew because I asked to hold the HK 416 and he told me to get the fuck out of his shop
>>65615901>Probably because there's no such thing as one :vThat's not true I am the most empathetic anon in 4chan history. If emotional intelligence isn't real then why can't troglodytes rotate the apple in other people's minds?
/k/'s de facto house brand of armor is developing plates BEYOND Level IV, so the .300 winmag M2AP trick won't work:>Lighter Version: Stops M993 and lesser threats>Available in SAPI Medium at 6.75 pounds, 1.15", single-curved, NIJ drop-tested>Heavy Version: Stops 7N37, 300 Win Mag Swiss P AP, M993, 8mm SmKH, .308 SLAP and lesser threats.>Available in multi-curve or single-curve, 7.75 pounds, 1.25", NIJ drop-testedhttps://www.gilliamarms.com/pages/model-8002-development-pageHICAR won't work either. You'll need serious .338 AP from Gecko45 or straight up fitty cal for fitty men.
>>65615923You're supposed to be contained in /gq/, please go and stay go.
>>65615906Just took a look at /gq/'s (formerly /bag/'s) opening post, he must think I'm responsible for the references to /arg/, Averi and A2GripThe amount of rent free of charge is astonishing.>>65615921>the most empathetic anon in 4chanTo a fault which is how you became LOLbert Snake but I wouldn't have it any other way, my good chum.>>65615923Just put the bullet in his cranial nerve cener, bro
>>65615928I AM (possibly) Pastebin.
>>65615908I've had a series of disagreements with LGS employees on the importance of mouthfeel before purchasing a firearm.
>>65615932As /gq/'s representative in this general I can attest Pastebin is not an armor autist, he lacks the chutzpah and is not able to identify why RMA sucks.
GILLIAM ARMOR is BASEDHESCO is NORMIEHighcom is INCELRMA is CRINGE
>>65615932>To a faultThey said the same of Plato, Jesus, and Hitler 2
>>65615933>>65615939FakebinYou believe armour is a cartridge problem when it is in fact a marksmanship issue. The only ballistic visors that exist are for airsoft. I practice punching the credit card of a silhouette for this reason. That /bag/cord shooter was the reality check about the plate carrier dilemma. Do not count on ammo type to compensate for not being able to hit a perpetrator between his eyes!>>65615934SKELLEGRIM HATH RETVRNMy oldest chum>>65615936>RMAYeah, Return Merchandise Authorizations are always a hassle>>65615956We're inverse Snakes, you and I
>>65615934A fun prank is to have a mag for the gun you want to mouthfeel in your pocket. When they hand the gun over you beep your shot timer and load the mag and mouth it afap
All plates will be checked. Many plates will be mogged
>>65615983>The only ballistic visors that exist are for airsoftNo. IIIA from CHINA. If you need better Botach Surplus has 7.62x25 tokarev visors from Protech.https://jinwudun.com/products/jwd-level-nij-iiia-bulletproof-and-explosion-proof-mask-anti-terrorism-special-tactical-mask-universal-mask>That /bag/cord shooter was the reality check about the plate carrier dilemmaHe only had first gen RMA 1093s. Not even good for A1.This is not a binary choice between cartridge selection and shot placement. They go together.
>>65615988GILLIAM ARMS ain't gonna be mogged with those 8002s sonny!!!
Should I buy this, PSA sabre in 5.56
>>65615983I'll always come home baby.>>65615985What a good par time for this drill?
>>65615993I look forward to the plate autism developments
>>65615994Ew. No.
>>65615908lmao
>>65615997I have a prediction .50 BMG FMJ rated plates will be mainstream in ten years, incidential to improvements in trauma foam and UHMWPE.
>>65615994Probably not. What's your budget and intended use for the rifle? We should really update the vicky's tldr.
>>65616002For that level of energy we're going to need crumple zones (not ash)
>>65616005mechanophore-doped UHMWPE will deliver us the plates promised to us 3,000 years ago.
>>65616002Did you get that ad about the free rec7 with purchase of barrett .50 too?
>>65616014No I've been saying that for a while.Okay can we seriously find out if A2 is dead or not?
>>65616019He's not
>>65616004Around 1500 or so not including add-ons , want something in 5.56 that compliments my .308 hunting rifle
>>65616019He's gone, anon. It breaks my heart too but you have to let go.You can't keep living in denial.
>>65616019He likes people's posts on instagram. Not mine though, I have nice guns.
>>65616026>>65616029>>65616034the three of you are saying different things. This is like going on /gq/ for armor advice three years ago.1. HESCO SUCKS, HIGHCUM GOOD2. RMA SUCKS, HESCO GOOD3. BUY CHINESE!
>>65616027>compliments my .308 hunting rifleNo idea what this means>want something in 5.5611.5 urgi plus dot and can. >>65616040>>65616010Go back to your containment thread
>>65616040>three years ago.Should have gone in 2020 it was fun back then. $99 hesco 4s for days. aws had their old website and prices. Lots of traffic because of covid and the blm protests. It was a great time to get into gear.
>/arg/ is now under /gq/ occupationThat would explain the surge in traffic this month.>>65615990>IIIA from CHINA>visors from ProtechSo shooting the visor with JHP will still blind the wearer because of the surface shatter>only had first gen RMA 1093Still filtered whatever that armed security guard had loaded>not a binary choice between cartridge selection and shot placementFair>>65615996Another holiday season is upon us, may we all see dawn of the new year.
Noveske gooner bros, we could be so back
>>65616054Ironically I did move here after /gq/. Getting gear was what made me decide to stock a common caliber and magazine so I bought an ar and started lurking here. It was when sheetzo was doing his thing.
>>65616047I was there. Hescos were cheap as hell because the company's rep was in the shitter due to back-to-back four NIJ suspensions. Unlike guys like Highcom and RMA, Hesco did square people with replacements. They're an honorable company, but only build to a hair over spec.Armor industry is entirely reputational and built on trust. If nobody trusts your product, nobody will buy it unless you're at desperado pricing. See how Highcom discontinued the el cheapo 4SAS4 as soon as word got out it was a piece of shit.
>>65615845At that point, why don’t you just use shotguns?
>>65616072>Hescos were cheap as hell because the company's rep was in the shitter due to back-to-back four NIJ suspensionsLucky for me, I had no idea about that.
>>65616054>JHP will still blind the wearer because of the surface shatterWell, any bullet due to glass damage. If you want true multi hit on these, hit up the Protech 702MT or the metal visors from guys like Adept.>Still filtered whatever that armed security guard had loadedYeah, a handgun. Jimbo even wrote in his manifesto, before the shooting, he had regret about getting the plates and should have gotten a IIIA soft vest. Lighter, covers more.
>>65616074soft armor clears shotguns easy except for slugs, which can deal high backface deformation.>>65616075Were you under a rock, lol? It was the highest profile shitshow since Zylon or Dragonskin. 4401 is fine, 4400MC is fine, 4400 / 4600 / 3410 / 3610 are all dicey.
>>65616083There used to be bodycam video of a cop eating 12 gauge point blank. The guys mom answered the door and he came out from behind her and shot the cop. I can't remember for sure if it was a slug but I think it was.>Were you under a rock, lol?I only heard about 1 and everyone said it was nothing.
>>65615983why is rma bad?
>>65616090The 4400 was reinstated along with the 4K10. Rest are dicey. The 4600 is real bad and should be replaced ASAP.>>65616094Shitload of reasons.1. Cheat rings they failed to disclose for years2. Bad QC. Buffman's 1155s were champs, Anon got a plate that failed to two 7.62x51mm FMJ.3. Nominal sizing. Their 10x12s are really 9.5x11.5 or less. Their SAPI Ms are smaller than 9.5x12.5. Makes the plates seem lighter.4. Making youtubers pull tests that go wrong.5. Attempting to sue Arfcommers6. Failing to disclose a lack of drop protection on the 1165s7. Shills8. Bad test reports9. Changing specs on a whim10. Sending Buffman 1192s 10oz heavier than advertised and 1155s 0.2lb heavier.I can go on.
>>65616070>stock a common caliber and magazinePractical and tactical, fren.>>65616081>Protech 702MT>or the metal visors from guys like Adept.Thanks for bringing these to my attention, I'll have to consider the possibility of a Jimbo type having either if I'm ever downrange of one.
>>65616148Not a problem. If you want a 702MT they're $170. Best transparent visor aside from the top shelf 7.62x39mm MSC rated ones from Mehler Vario, but that's credentialed high dollar shit.https://surplus.botach.com/protech-702mt-ballistic-face-shield-nij-level-iiia-multi-hit-tokarev-police-trade/Adept's Novasteel is popular with some of the second division armor autists you see on plebbit, including the ballistic mandible. I think it's underbuilt and I personally have a much stronger, 7.62x25 steel core / 12 gauge slug rated Warmag NP550.Their Nova Titanium however is a bit promising.
>>65615923Get the fuck out of here faggot. You cry about off topic in /gq/ just to bring that shit here. Nigger.
55 grain plinking ammo is the best for HD, fragmentation velocity to ~60 yards even with a 10.3" and breaks up in drywall better than 9mm and buckshot.Give me one good reason you shouldn't build and train around 55 grain m193, and then proceed to exclusively use m193 for HD as well.
>>65616177lol you got the wrong person. I've said several times gq needs more autists in different areas.
>AWS SMU anonmy belt is L35 7/8" from start of 1st molle panel to end of last molle panel. then several inches of excess strap for adjustment.hope that helps
>>65616198I just don't want to hang out there when it's all armor conversation. I think they post just to keep the thread active but that is what keeps me away. I don't like sifting through it to look for non armor questions.
>>65616205obese
There's a version 2 of the hesion bow hub mounting system. It seems like an aesthetic improvement at least.
>>65616209No, I am one of the armor posters, but I've said before there needs to be autists in other areas.The problem is thus:1. You can just ask non-armor related questions anyway.2. The armor conversation is very technical, but like it or not we collectively do know our armor shit a lot better than plebbit, so people call and we answer.
>>65616210eh, I'm trying to gain weight actually, even skinnier than picrel. ugh
>>65616205What knife?
>>65616192>Give me one good reason you shouldn't build and train around 55 grain m193, and then proceed to exclusively use m193 for HD as well.M193 isnt plinking ammo. there is absolutely no point in spending more and increasing wear to train with it. Shoot whatever 55 grain ammo you can get cheapest and stack the m193 for later use.
>>65616205Okay I definitely have a large. Mine is the same size. I need one of those buckle hangers. >>65616227Oh I'm not the one complaining about you guys. I was just saying why I don't post there much. I don't really have questions but I asked about those straps a while back and that was exactly what I wanted.
>>65616205 Ordered my smu in fucking April and it still hasn’t arrived or shipped for that matter.
>>65616237Retard
>>65616237Isn't m193 about the same price as .223? Maybe I have it twisted but I'd rather just buy full power stuff
>>65616235standard 440C steel, i just rattle canned it green for funzies
>>65616237This but stack something else.
>>65616264ty
I wish the houthis would fly over my house
A2's corpse just flew over my house!
I wish RMA made decent plates.
>>65615996.67
>>65616260Id make you beat my ass if you said that shit to my face.VNR
>>65616292I wish I was you and just as punishment you were me
>>65616263No and no.
>>65616268Yes.
>>65616259Email them, they have a customer service guy now. But AWS has definitely dropped the ball on A LOT of things lately. Just a few months ago people were putting them on the shitlist thinking they turned into a scam company. However, I have gotten my last 3 orders from them (mag pouches, TQ pouch which sucks but that's a different story).
>>65616259That used to be normal for them but I guess it's changed. I waited 5 months for my plate carrier but it was something like $150 shipped back then. >>65616341That really sucks to hear. Is there anything else or just the wait times? That poor girl there used to get yelled at so much for how long they were taking.
>>65616354just the wait times, you could place an order and there would be radio silence for half a year + .
>>65616362I thought they were supposed to fix that but I guess not. It was okay when their prices were cheaper than everyone else.
>>65616312Where are you seeing .223 for less than 45cpr?
>>65616309I’d lick your nuts if you tried that shit with me
Is this the last /arg/? No one wants to kill the thread let alone bake.
>>65616573I'll bake a new one after I'm done working on the chicken run
>>65616573I hope so.>>65616576I hope it takes you a long time.
>>65616154Most definitely>>65616576Make it last 48 hours, yeah? Cheers
>>65616576its only on page 6 dont bake early faggot
>negrobin
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>>65612510Based rug. Also my aimpoint PRO comes in the mail today. Finished with sig sights
