>>40876908
take your HRT, retards

Plap gen?
Any plappables?

>>40876946
Nah

plap-baiting femreppers

>>40876908
I Hope they develop A Cure for penis envy Soon my father has been Talking to taking me to Conversion therapy so i Hope that works out

>>40876908
stop trying to copy all make sub cultures.

>>40877140
male*

>>40877151
When have girls/women NOT tried to do this? Man make thing, girl run inside thing and enjoy the spoils of the efforts previously made.

>>40877167
By...making our own thread? Lol.

>QOTT1
worse
>QOTT2
if something could at least dull my social dysphoria I would be able to actually be functional in social situations

>>40877140
?

>>40877140
male reppers Are just faggots, hardly even Male and hardly Even female

I want to get back into art again but my skills have completely degraded and I'm never motivated enough to do any hobbies anymore

>>40876946
why do you do this nona? i checked male repagen and you also do this there. i know youre mtf bcuz of the flags being visible in pride month, but what inspires you to do this to every repgen, both male and female?

>>40877354
because I used to be a repper

What type of music do you all listen to?

shaboozy

>>40877409
and why do you want us all to stop being reppers?

friendly reminder that you all got super unlucky rolling whatever this is when you were born lmao

>>40877491
because it's awful and things can get better

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>>40876908
you guys don't know what it's like to do your makeup, dress in cute clothes, and end up crying home alone instead of going anywhere because of your clocky manly features

>>40877475
trash

>>40877475
https://youtu.be/Ja2J2WkmjNg?si=yVrVvNojcztVu2Od
https://youtu.be/x9rCsTsD1B8?si=nz8GFnNolCiKdO3X
https://youtu.be/l5YbGhxHH6M?si=e_zMgFWDpah7dSW7
https://youtu.be/0v394-c6HA4?si=52iQ2IK6xu3TEbx5

>>40877553
You're right, I don't do makeup or dress in cute clothes or go anywhere at all.

>>40877553
shut up troon rep like the rest of us and dont complain

>>40877491
because there is no reason for an AFAB to ever repress.
-1.you will pass. no matter what you do you will pass because testosterone is just THAT powerful.
-2. You won't have to deal with transphobia (as harshly).

>>40877553
did you mean to post this in the other repgen or what

>>40877553
makeup is retarded and feels like grease and exists to sexualize women and make us hide our natural features + all female clothes suck balls + youre a retarded moid

>>40877588
Kill yourself and fuck off

>>40877588
>because there is no reason for an AFAB to ever repress
ill never be a man thats why im repping

>>40877586
this

>>40877553
don't make us look bad in front of the hoes

>>40877588
all T does is make you develop a poon voice that makes u sound like ur choking on gravel and all male clothes do is to exaggerate how different you are from actual moids. wide hips are unfixable and all surgeries for ftms only serve to make you look like an ugly gnome

should i kill myself before the second puberty hits

>>40877655
Hrt first probably.

>>40877588
do you think those are the only two reasons why people repress

>>40877655
hrtrep like i am, if it works well maybe full send if not rope

>>40877547
im sorry but no they cant

>>40877621
>Poon voice
Normies likely don't have another poon voice to compare yours too so in their head it registers as male

>Wide hips
They will just think you're an unlucky guy who got his mother's genetics but you will still register as a guy. Just be ready for some "he got his momma's hips" jokes.

>clothes don't fit
well, looks like you'll have to get your clothes custom tailored. Most dry cleaners can do that for you.

>>40877717
ntayrt if I had a frog voice I would just cut out my vocal cords and become a mute (though I already basically am so not much would change)

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>>40877586
I'm not a rep I try my best to present feminine
>>40877592
no here
>>40877594
I'm not r-worded

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worst day of my life, just discovered one of my tulpas friends replied to her with "trvthnvke" on xitter over something that i may never know what mightve been then had immediately gone private after, but unprivated recently so i was just able to see it.

god what am i doing with my life. do you guys think she mightve said something like "i hope jarby kills herself"? do you guys hope i kill myself soon? i think i should very kill myself. what if i just killed myself specifically

>>40877859
>do you guys hope i kill myself soon?
Truthfully I don't find you that annoying so no.

>>40877859
no, what you need is to be sent to somewhere with no internet access for at least a year

>>40877717
Poon voice does get noticed, mostly by other poons or genderfuck theys and then they think ur one of them and ask you for your pronouns or some shit like that

wide hips makes jeans sit weird and you're forced to only wear baggy since skinny just shows off to the world that youre a freak mutilated by an estrogenized puberty

my clothes do fit but my hip to waist to shoulder ratio is so fucked that even if the shirt itself is boxy it still leaves a dip where my waist and sits on top of the hits

tldr ngmi always rep

>>40862482
>what's there not to enjoy about being male?
quite a fucking lot actually? is that even an honest question? I can understand the dysphoria of missing a dick between your legs, alright, but you don't have to deny reality.

>i would jerk off my cock 10 times a day, milk my prostate and do everything else i could never do as someone with a disabled female body.
delusional. the average male jerks off no more than 1 time in a day, which drops to like 1 time in 3 days or even a week, when he's older. and he PHYSICALLY can't do it more, because if he tries, then it doesn't feel good at all or even painful. something, that you with your multiple orgasm female privilege haven't experienced, so I understand that it's hard to imagine and easy to forget. another such hardly imaginable thing is that male orgasm feels only marginally better than taking a piss. I could cum in a minute without breaking a sweat or twitching a muscle, let alone involuntarily letting out a sound out of pleasure. you could sit next to me and not notice, so uneventful it is, and one just feels empty and tired inside afterwards, like one has finally squeezed out a big hard turd. and just like shitting, a lot of times it's just something you do to stop your dick from fucking distracting you, not for the "pleasure".

the best sexual pleasures accessible to men are those that have to do with prostate stimulation, like stretching it with precum by edging or directly pressing on it, etc, and yet most men aren't even ABLE to learn to get prostate orgasms, which are themselves an inferior version of the female orgasm, after years of trying.

you sound like someone who watched too much porn or gooner twits and is overidealizing the concept of male, like those pathetic fat virgins that get themselves addicted to women facesitting fart videos, imagining some godly fragrance while jerking off, only to puke buckets, when they try it in the real life and smell the real shit. get a fucking grip.

>>40877594
>having ten times the variety of fashion
available to you sucks! :(

stfu and trade me for my stupid twink body

>>40878046
>Wall of text
Back to repgen, no one cares faggot. Stop shitting this thread up with your angst.

>>40877588
I’m 5’7 with a boyish body but I won’t transition because I’m androphilic

>>40878046
Ngl female orgasm doesn’t feel that good either, women are just more expressive

>>40878104
you cared enough to reply to me thoughbeit. sorry for bringing cold hard reality that would help one in repressing into the thread, that is actually supposed to help people repress. being so mad about it is pretty femalebrained of you, ngl.

>>40878120
>women are just more expressive
I've considered this explanation too, but I don't believe it. it's only with prostate stimulation that I even get enough pleasure to get the DESIRE to express myself, as you put it, or something like slight actually involuntary muscle contraction.
not feeling like a squeezed lemon after the orgasm must be good too.

>>40878164
Kill yourself

>>40878046
>no more than 1 time in a day, which drops to like 1 time in 3 days or even a week,
>and he PHYSICALLY can't do it more, because if he tries, then it doesn't feel good at all or even painful.
hey this already happens to me its not a male thing

>something, that you with your multiple orgasm female privilege haven't experienced
stfu omg its not even real thats a porn fantasy sold to pornbrained freaks like you and even as a pornbrained freak myself i know thats not true because i cant cum multiple times in a row. and sometimes i cant even cum at all

>I could cum in a minute without breaking a sweat or twitching a muscle
i also do this. did you seriously believe all women moan by default when they jerk off? is that why youre going off about this?

>one just feels empty and tired inside afterwards, like one has finally squeezed out a big hard turd. and just like shitting, a lot of times it's just something you do to stop your dick from fucking distracting you
sounds like youre probably dysphoric about your dick idk what to say

>you sound like someone who watched too much porn or gooner twits
you do too, youre just going about it in a negative way because you personally feel distressed about it. i really hope you can ease your dysphoria eventually, this just makes me kinda sad to read

>>40878164
I’m just speaking from the perspective of an afab it’s not that great

>>40878164
>get enough pleasure to get the DESIRE to express myself,
for the record, ive never genuinely moaned after orgasming, unless i was intentionally doing it for someone, and the only time i ever did that was to record it and send it to someone but it didnt even fucking feel genuine. none of that shit is real. maybe jerking off is meant to be as depressing as you describe it, though i think i would probably moan a little if i had a partner to help me with it but if its just me alone then whats the point? so it never happens. i just reach orgasm and thats it, no noise, no nothing, the muscles just twitch for like 3 seconds and i feel dizzy afterwards and thats it.

>>40878175
>stfu omg its not even real thats a porn fantasy sold to pornbrained freaks like you and even as a pornbrained freak myself i know thats not true because i cant cum multiple times in a row. and sometimes i cant even cum at all
it's scientifically well documented, so no, it's not a fantasy, but I understand, that your brain might actually be more male in that regard, which might be the reason you're unable to have it. it was wrong of me to assume you could, I guess.

>sounds like youre probably dysphoric about your dick idk what to say
nah, I'm not, it's just how it is.

>you do too
well, I haven't. I'm not porn addicted in any way, shape or form, nor am I idealizing males or females. nothing more.

>>40878224
you might already be closer to having the actual male orgasms, alright.

>>40876908
hey, I'm a tranny invading your space. isn't that so typical of me? I'm just an estrogen filled male, aka a fucking freak. this is a new level of self hatred I've never felt before. the chuds got into my head.

>>40878187
I believe you have to know how shit the male orgasms are to get a sense of perspective, but we may agree to disagree.

>>40878244
>already
im not even on hrt this is just how its always been. though the first time i ever orgasmed i pissed the bed, but never really genuinely moaned or anything. it mightve also been due to a privacy issue that stuck with me but still never got where the moans from jerking off are supposed to come from

>>40878249
ill let you invade my female space because you are a woman :]

>>40878265
>im not even on hrt this is just how its always been
yeah, being a tranny is literally having a different brain from birth, before hrt even comes into play, so I'm not surprized. you'd probably cum better on T even. more often, at least, because it's responsible for libido in men and women both.

>>40878052
>having ten times the variety of fashion
majority of it is unpractical and uncomfortable
>stfu and trade me for my stupid twink body
i would if it was possible

>>40878046
i havent felt one orgasm in my life yet alone multiple. i hate moids so much you dont need to put any effort into jerking off because you just stroke your shit and then youre done

>>40878393
ok, I'm sorry that your brain is like that, it genuinely just didn't occur to me that this is a possible and even likely symptom for a tranny. this doesn't change the fact though that there are women out there that deserve your envy much more than any man could.

trans men have it easier than trans women, but we obviously don’t want to be women why are you acting like we should be grateful for it. i don’t care that we can have slightly better orgasms

>>40878479
I don't have any issue with you not being "grateful for it", it's just that having dysphoria is an understandable and respectable reason, while "I want to be a man, because men have more and better orgasms" is not even true, which makes the one who utters it lose all credibility, which is not something one can afford in such an already controversial topic. I simply wanted to point this out.

>>40876908
Threadly reminder that the following are the best ways to manage your dysphoria (the more you do at once the better!):
1) Butchmax
2) HRT-rep
3) Get a short, mtf femme gf
4) -optional- get bottom and/or top surgery

If anyone wants an emotional or physical punching bag. I'm here for you :3

i should text my aunt bu im still kind of upset with her

>>40878534
>mtf femme gf
Trannies give me the ick, sorry.

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>>40879492

My mouse stopped working for no reason lmao amazing. Anyways i wish i lived in a small town with a lot of abandoned buildings to explore and chill in

>>40879713
I live pretty close to an abandoned quarantine island. It’s illegal to go there, but people do anyway. You have to be careful because you have to jump across rocks to get there for about an hour (people break their ankles all the time) and if the tide changes you’re fucked.

>>40879764
Sounds amazing i would drink and listen to music on it. I hate most public spaces like theres always some retard running around and staring at you

>>40879492
actual women are much cuter. even the ones who are mentally ill.

>>40876908
imagine being born as a fully ensouled human of the superior sex and then being upset you weren't given the karmic punishment of being an oversized mutant rape golem
ridiculous

>>40880218
i like the violence of the male sex i long for it my teeth ache for it but i was punished into existing as a midget hysterical sized rapemeat who can get punted across the street by any healthy adult male

like this is what malereppers dont understand. i long to be male and i love all of the crude and horrible aspects of manhood you retarded sissy piece of shit

i hate when mtfs come in here and shit up the thread talking about how much worse they have it. nobody here cares. anyway
>>40877318
same. we should probably both give it a shot anyway. it's good for the soul.
>>40879774
same, i hate being perceived or spoken to. i mostly go outside in the middle of the night because there's nobody else out so i can just sit and look at the stars and chainsmoke in peace.

>>40880218
Can you troons stop shitting up the thread with your whining?

>>40880309
>same, i hate being perceived or spoken to
yeah it fucking sucks i constantly feel like theyre judging me or like they want me to leave. i feel like im not allowed to exist in a space with a lot of people in it because i feel judged and overperceived. i hate them all i wish i lived in a middle of nowhere with a forest nearby to frolick in

>>40880319
they appear every thread like clockwork. they probably think that what they have to say is just so important woooowww yeahhhhhhh depressed troonie number 2000000000000000000000000002 you REALLY made femrepgen think here!!!!! really made us reconsider our lives, got us srcratchin our noggins waow. we dont wanna be male anymore we all should accept existing as the retarded parody of a normal human because some future mass shooter told us that we,re evil and privileged for having a bleeding oozing babymaking fuckhole between our legs

>>40876908
>feminine repressor
not that hard to just be a little faggot, what's your deal what's your motive just wear the dress and act like a emotional faggot you tingle toes little shit, who gives a shit you're just a stranger to the majority of the people, as long as you tug away your dick proper no one cares what's under there, there are plenty of ugly and fat chicks who cares if some skinny bitch looks a little off

>>40880363
What?

>>40880319
ur just mad because she's objectively correct
also ftm's have it easier testosterone is actually poison that permanently fucks up your bones

>>40880363
>as long as you tug away your dick proper
Do you know what thread you're in?
>>40880523
He is retarded and so are you. You have the whole board to complain.

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>>40880581

>>40880610
>helluvabossmemes
>zionistrevolution
insane combination

>>40880581
>>40880610
maxxed out level fembrain

>>40876908
Lol. Things have been fine for me dysphoria wise for years, but I fucking have MCAS and now this month and last month my body has decided to start having reactions to hormone shifts and me getting my period. I'm Benadryl and Claritin just because my body does this. That's how life goes I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Don't want to deal with this shit at all though, hope it stops on its own.

Occult stuff was a "cure" for the mental side at least.

>>40880625
>fembrain
most people who are interested in anprim and societal collapse are moids tho

>>40880581
i use the old . reddit version of the website

>gemini gets a new banana mode or whatever it's called
>spend an hour generating realistic male versions of myself
>now i actually don't mind looking at my face
>remember i will never be a man
>feel like shit
>day ruined

i unironically could be satisfied watching the same 10 movies and reading the same 5 books for the rest of my life i understand old people now

>>40880523
saying this as if estrogen isnt even worse lmfao

Pooning would make me one genre of delusional but mental illness and isolation is making me another kind entirely. Only my tranny hatred keeps me going.

>QOTT1: Are things getting better or worse for you dysphoria-wise?
things have gotten much worse recently.
>QOTT2: Are you hoping for a "cure", just to dull the pain to a reasonable amount, or something else?
i truly have no idea what the optimal strat is here. killing myself sounds better than trying to retransition.

>>40877498
what are the odds reincarnation is real? i've been thinking about killing myself to reroll

>>40881889
zero

>>40881889
I had a witch do a past life ritual that I asked her not to do and have memories and have met people who remember too etc. and so on. So I have no choice but to believe in reincarnation, but... if you're necessarily expecting a different life to be pleasant I have some news you might not like.

>>40880806
I usually only watch movies once, it's very rare I revisit anything like that. Same with books, there's very few I'll read multiple times.

I could probably play the same 5 video games over and over again. I play Death Smiles on my laptop and phone, and about 80% of the time if I'm playing a game it's Death Smiles. So I could probably do that for way longer, I'm gonna at any rate. Though I've been swapping in Angel At Dusk alongside it. With music I could probably cycle through the same 20 bands forever and be happy too.

I still like occasional variety there, but I don't need it.

>>40877475
post punk, grunge, metal etc.

>no desire to have kids/adopt in anyways for the longest time
>have a dream where I'm a father with a wife and kids
>been obsessed about it for the last week
it's so over

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>>40880581
has r/nosurf helped you cut back on the internet at all? i'm trying hard to quit and am still at square one

>>40878526
Men have sex trying not to end it. Wanting to have a penis and have sex like a man is like being able to have an unlimited streaming service and choosing the cheapest one. Anyone who still wants it, after knowing this, doesn't realize that they would get bored in 2 months or become a desperate coomer.

>>40883162
the reason why i have gender dysphoria has nothing to do with sex

>>40883201
All good. I'm just commenting on this topic.

>>40883134
>has r/nosurf helped you cut back on the internet at all?
honestly not at all i use it just to feel a sense that im not alone in thinking that internet is a blight on the face of humanity. its like attending alcoholics anonymous while drunk asf. speaking of drunk im so shitfaced rn i was drinking with my mom and her brain damaged boyfriend (not using that as an insult hes actually brain damaged like self admitted and talks nonsense)

>>40883162
your opinion on this topic doesnt matter because you dont know what its like to have a vagina

>>40883162
there are large portions of women who have never been able to have an orgasm at all.

>>40880610
No r/mapporn

>>40883770
don't fuck with me bitch

>>40883797
I like maps anon. :(

it is August 30th and Ive decided I want to LIVEEE. which means either
A. I have seasonal depression that only happens during Spring and Summer
or B. God answered my calls since Ive been praying to God since the beginning of Spring to help me.

I need to find a way to cope with Spring and Summer in the future, somehow. I dont know if its just because the weather here is very humid during heat or if its due to trauma or what but I find it weird how I only begin to feel happy/content/positive with my dysphoria and mood overall getting better once physical signs of Fall starts happening. I dont understand how that works.

>>40884522
Its been consistent fall weather for almost two weeks now. And Ive only felt better for a week so far. All that time, the worst depression Ive had in so long. I just dont get it.

>>40883813
i like a pooner who'd likes hazbin hotel

>>40884522
Are you more active outdoors in the fall or anything?

>>40884607
Yeah. I got allergies and stuff, plus its cold and cold weather is the best weather to do exercise.
But I tried being outside during Spring and Summer, I mostly isolated myself indoors but I really did try to be outside. I dont understand why it had little effect.
>>40884543
Do you like Hazbin Hotel anon

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lately, been losing a lot of weight because i'm too lazy to properly feed myself, so i like to stand pigeon toed in front of the mirror wearing short pants that reveal the thinness of my legs and pretend i'm a shota.
i need a hobby

>>40884695
i never saw hazbin hotel

>>40884695

Being more physically active does improve mood, so finding a way to be as active as you are in the fall/winter could help.
>allergies
Could be those too. Sleep would be impacted if you’re symptomatic, and allergy meds usually impact your neurochemistry to some extent.
If you’re not getting ~45-90 minutes of sunlight every few days, could be vitamin D deficiency. This is what usually causes Winter SAD, but it could theoretically happen in the Summer if you’re spending copious amounts of time inside with the windows shut.
That can be diagnosed with a blood test. Thoughever it’s extremely difficult to OD on vitamin D, even intentionally, so if you just wanted to try and test that next year, it would be safe as long as it doesn’t interfere with any meds you’re on.

>>40884955
>Thoughever it’s extremely difficult to OD on vitamin D, even intentionally
nta and it's very much a thing with pills or supplements.
that said, od'ing on vitamin d is impossible if you receive it via sun exposure.

>>40884955
>If you’re not getting ~45-90 minutes of sunlight every few days, could be vitamin D deficiency.
I used to walk for over an hour everyday, every season the sun beaming down and still ended up with vitamin D deficiency, no clue how it works.

>>40885037
not enough exposed skin, probably. or shitty air quality. or you could have a condition that affects your vitamin d conversion.

>>40885000
>OD is very much a thing with pills or supplements
In general, yes, absolutely, and it’s important to be careful.
However, with vitamin D specifically, it’s very difficult, and often requires intentionally taking extremely high doses, or receiving high-level hospital-administered supplementation.
Many OTC bottles wouldn’t even have enough IUs of it to necessarily cause toxicity in a healthy adult, even if taken all at once.

>>40884522
i swear this happens to me too. spring is always horrifically bad for me, summer is not great, and then fall and winter are chill. no idea why.

>>40885037
If you’re not white it’s usually that, you absorb less from the sun. Otherwise >>40885102
>>40886262
When I was vitamin D deficienct (I’d bet that most channers who don’t touch grass as often as they should are), mine was always at its worst early spring. I think because levels deplete/replenish over time or something.

I don't understand how people can have sex while having severe dysphoria/repping, I get sad when I jack off

>>40888117
Same. getting off probably helps as a decent coping mechanism though, or at least a distraction. I wish I didn't freak the fuck out whenever I try

>>40876908
What have femrepgenners been reading lately? (Books, manga, comics, webcomics, textbooks, cool articles, Wikipedia pages, doesn’t matter.)

Repgen isn't telling me, so might as well ask you
Since I can never be a woman anyway, is there any way to kms that is actually reliable?

>>40889943
Old age.

>>40888117
if you can have sex like for realsies then your "dysphhoria" isnt real. ESPECIALLY if its PIV

>>40889671
i cant say it its cringe and im gonna get bullied for it

>>40889943
hanging is pretty reliable. shotgun, pretty reliable. ODing can be reliable depending what you do it with.

>>40889943
Old age seconded
Don't try shit nona

>>40876908
>QOTT1
worse
>QOTT2
yes

i am a cis girl who wishes she was born male surely this means nothing and should not be acted upon whatsoever right

"don't kill yourself!!1"
well what if it's over for her? did you consider that? it's none of our business

>>40890123
That’s okay, I still hope you enjoyed it! Unless it’s something that I, personally, would bully you for, I suppose.

>>40890448
> Unless it’s something that I, personally, would bully you for
you rprobably would but i cant blame you

>>40890231
yeah its always about
"dont kys live is worth living!!!!!!!"
but what if its not?
"there are [people who care about you!"
but what if there isnt?

>>40890494
tellll ussssss
you're anonymous, no-one will ever know it's you :)
i'll be nice, at least

>>40890622
i cant say anything in this thread because the only interests youre allowed to have as a femrepper are lifting weights and crying yourself to sleep, everything else is retarded and dumb and fembrain and faketrans

Are there cures for dysphoria that stems from being a pervert with weird fetishes? I have tried to reduce my sex drive but that just made me miserable and paranoid about becoming more feminine from it. Are there ways to reduce sex drive that don't have risk of increased femininity? Or something that would make me stop being so afraid of it? I have tried doing feminine things but they don't make me want to be a female, I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but I'm not sure where else to put this. I want to be a good ally for actually dysphoric reppers and transsexual people, but I think this thing gets in the way because I can't help but want to transition too. But I know that I don't deserve it, because it's like becoming my own chaser, and being a chaser is degenerate.

>>40890516
Life changes a lot. Even more once I got past the years of "well i still want to kill myself so not doing it at 18 has still been pointless"
I have my cat and my ereader and some games to play. It's alright. Going back to school has helped too

>>40890872
be authentic! express yourself! find beauty in you as you currently are, build an earnest and true identity that you can rely on instead of this ugly, locked-down repression. tell me ur seeecreeeets

>>40890872
you can be faketrans, we're reppers, not being trans is our whole thing

i wake up and it smells like diapers and meat like what the fuck is going on.
Clean diapers and meat, along with a cleaning product smell. Its sickly sweet with meatyness to it along with a flowery cleaning product smell with a hint of sourness.
The half of the house smells like this and I dont understand why. The kitchen doesnt smell like this. When you go outside, it sorta smells like it too but usually where I live theres a strong smokey smell in the mornings.

I feel crazy but istg I worked in a meat factory before, I know what the smell of meat is like that. Idk where to post this so im posting it here.

>>40890875
have normal sex with normal lesbians

>>40890951
What's normal sex with lesbians? Is it even possible? Isn't normal sex by definition het sex?

>>40890875
What are the weird fetishes

>>40890935
i remmember walking outside and then all of the sudden smelling a burning corpse. like the smell of keratin from hair and nails burning alongside with flesh. the thing is that ive never smelt burning corpses but something instinctual in my mind recognized that smell liek something from a past life perhaps

>>40890976
I want to fuck a woman with a penis that I don't have. And I'm attracted to the idea of becoming more similar to men. Isn't that weird? I have other ones, that are more like kinks (not required to get off, but help to do that), but this is the grossest one because it's disrespectful to trans people.

>>40891016
this is just aap most ftm trannies have it. stop worrying about this

>>40891058
Aren't most modern ones AHE or whatever it was called when you want to be a gay man?

>>40891016
>I want to fuck a woman with a penis that I don't have
>I'm attracted to the idea of becoming more similar to men
It really sounds like the suggestions here would help you: >>40878534
Have you ever used a strap and actually topped a woman before? Both my femrepper exes found that it really helped with their dysphoria.

>>40891098
no AHE is when you like the idea of gay relationships its not like AAP where your core fetish is being a man. either way this is a non issue the only trans person this could upset or offend is some retarded ftm tumblrina who gets butthurt over other people "fetishizing" her

>>40891123
>Have you ever used a strap and actually topped a woman before?
No, I have never tried that. I'm kinda confused about how I'm even supposed to get to that point with a woman. Plus can't figure out the logistics, where I would bring one if I were to have sex with her.

>>40891157
>no AHE is when you like the idea of gay relationships its not like AAP where your core fetish is being a man.
Aha. For some reason I thought that AHE was like "I want to fuck a man as a man", so basically just a flavour of AAP (at least how I understand it).
>only trans person this could upset or offend is some retarded ftm tumblrina who gets butthurt over other people "fetishizing" her
Okay, good then.

i should get a twitter or something

>>40891016
i thought we all had this.
just relax bro, it's not that serious. go finger a woman or something and maybe you'll feel better.

>>40891362
i have this too but in my fantasies women are just props to make me feel more masculien so i dont even consider myself bi or anything. i am not straight i am not bi i am not gay my only true sexuality is autoandrophilia everything else is secondary

>>40891346
No you should not

>>40891428
i miss being a microceleb

Do any of you have a thing where you pretend to be a guy who's pretending/dressing up as a girl or is very girly looking? I'm trying to figure out if someone I know is a female repper, she has a tendency to do this kind of play pretend and I was wondering whether it's a repper thing or not.

>>40891195
>I'm kinda confused about how I'm even supposed to get to that point with a woman
It does not require some secret code or anything. Make a dating profile or go to a queer bar on sapphic night.
You literally just need to find someone you connect with and communicate that you top.
>where I would bring one if I were to have sex with her
Back to your place?
Where else would you bring her?
If your place is totally off limits, just make a date to go over to her place and bring the strap in a bag.
This is not complicated stuff.

>>40891440
idk but in my head i sometimes pretend i'm a guy who ended up in a girl's body due to some kind of supernatural event and so dresses the body like his ideal girlfriend would and stuff like this, same with interests. though i don't do this so often. i don't feel very real most of the time

also a few years ago i literally used to believe a man had somehow possessed part of my brain and he felt dysphoric living in my body so he wanted to change the wrong parts but i kept trying to counter him and suppress his attemps because i didn't want to allow him to change my body and i wanted him to leave so the dysphoria would leave too

>>40890968
eat each other pussies, or use hands and toys in a way that expresses love for each other. and you both try to cum.

obviously i'm not doing this. i'm about to poon out for real.

>>40891595
>i'm about to poon out for real
I don't know how bad your dysphoria is anon. So I'm not going to criticize your choice. Sometimes that is really the only option.
But at-least consider identifying as a he/him lesbian if you really must poon out.

>>40891629
I'll stay involved in lesbian community, as much as I can. I'm a bit obsessed with trans men who pass slightly better than me in a way where I think I could do it better. And I want to fuck them. Or kill them.

>>40891595
>i'm about to poon out for real.
don't do it. resist. RESIST. REPRESS.

>>40891698
Why are you being a crab in a bucket?
NTA

>>40891681
>I'm a bit obsessed with trans men
>And I want to fuck them
RIP. We lost another one.

>>40891681
You want to fuck the ones that pass better than you?

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>>40891726
i'm trying to save her. if pooning out was actually a good idea for her, she wouldn't have been in this thread. we are all repressing for a reason.

>>40891726
Pooning out is losing

>>40891754
yes because then i win

>>40888117
I just focus on the fact that it feels good and drugs make that even better. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>40889671
I'm rotating between the Valis trilogy, Books of Blood, Vurt, and The Sandman.

>>40890123
We're not gonna know who you are anyway.

>>40890231
If it's truly over then she shouldn't put other people in this position. When people commit suicide people look at the shit they were doing and the shit said to them etc. There is a burden put on whoever a suicidal person unloads on to attempt to stop them that's socially accepted and ingrained and falling short of that becomes a separate issue.

If they want to die and are positive this is the course of action they will take then the burden should remain theirs

>>40890872
People can like whatever they want if someone thinks otherwise just consider that the person is an idiot and understand their thoughts don't matter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why would you need to prove yourself to a stupid person or care about their thoughts? You know likes are entirely subjective and don't matter like that, and they don't, but their opinion on you for what you like matters? Why?

>>40891795
Fair enough lol
Good luck

>>40891773
Let people make their own mistakes, it could be for the best that she transitions or it could be a horrible mistake, but she needs to learn and see it on her own.

>>40891810
>There is a burden put on whoever a suicidal person unloads on
they just asked if/what methods are reliable. their reasons to do it or not do it are none of my concern.

>>40891984
I explained why people respond with "don't kill yourself" to suicidal people and answered your question about why people don't give out information personally.

I don't care what you choose to do or what you choose to say to someone. I was just pointing out the perspective there. That it is a burden emotionally for a good deal of people to have someone say they want to kill themselves to them.

I'm not against suicide personally, but I do think that it is best for someone who is to leave other people out of it as a consideration, if they are 100% set on it.

If they're going through some shit and are 99.9% of the way there then it's ok to still talk.

i used to be suicidal until i realized that suicide is a bitchass pussy thing. you gotta live out of spite you gotta live long enough to bury all of the people you hate. literally the main reason why im not dead yet is bc i wanna outlive my parents lmao i want to see them in caskets

i wanna cum inside someone/somethinh so bad... fuck my xx chromosome wombyn life

>>40892695
It's not exactly the same thing. But you can get straps that do that.
My ex and myself both really enjoyed them and she said that they did help soothe that particular desire for her :3

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>>40892710
i've considered that obviously, but the feeling of suicidality brought on by my inability to unload my warm seed into someone and fill them up with it, will never truly subside...

>>40892795
I think it is most helpful to focus on what you can do rather than what you cannot.
If you want to fuck a woman and pump her full of cum, that is totally in your power and you should feel happy about that. I totally understand dysphoria brain, but objectively speaking, If you are fucking her with a strap or a bio-dick or if you are unloading real or fake cum into her; those are just minor details that you should not let yourself get upset over.
If the opinion of a bottom counts for anything to you - strap + fake cum >>> bio-dick + real cum

>>40892383
what are you on about, man. they were rhetorical questions. you are redditsplaining to an imaginary audience.

>>40892695
whenever this thought enters my mind i have to bottle it up as soon as possible. nothing makes me more suicidal.

>>40893375
I understand the dysphoria aspect at play here.
But again, I really recommend looking into straps that can do that. Because they can help.
Besides, you can cum in me any time you want :3

>>40893362
Well anon I didn't read your mind and I'm potentially autistic, you're here so...

>>40890875
Literally log off and stop interacting with porn.

>>40893522
Okay, I'll try that! Thanks.

>>40893405
i wish i could cum in you most of all

>>40893612
You are to nice to me anon <3
I wish you could just pump me full of it :3

looking at pics of ftms doesnt work as repfuel. idk most of them look okay and those who dont are just not trying hard enough. 90% of nonpassing poons are retarded white people who refuse to give up their piercings and dyed hair and makeup and glasses with femminine frame and then they wonder why they dont pass. even when they have fem faces those can be fixed with facial hair or simply losing weight. you know whats real repfuel? observing cisoids, listening to their opinions. i swear to god they think ftms are more womanly than actual women. if im gonna be seen as a cute submissive twink boywife then its better to just stay a chick. at least then i can be the crazy hoarder lady archetype or an underground gnc philosopher i dont know man

>>40893831
>i swear to god they think ftms are more womanly than actual women.
Is it untrue tho?

>>40893854
desu i think most of those hyperfem types will detrans in the future. i used to be a semi popular artist on the internet with orbiters who rambled about detroit become human and "old man yaoi" and had the clockiest art styles known to man, i sometimes stalk their profiles out of curiosity and most of them dropped the tranny thing and switched to having she/her in their bios

>>40893927
No, I meant that dysphoria to most cis people will look like shyness, lack of confidence, which are feminine traits. Therefore trans men will come off as insecure women to them, hence more feminine. And normal women who are not hiding their chests, are having children, sex, etc. will seem masculine in comparison.

>>40893831
>those who dont are just not trying hard enough
if we're talking face? yeah, sure. the rest of the body? get real.

>>40894007
You can frequently clock the wet puppy dog eyes and tiny skulls even in lucky pooners

>>40893971
To add onto this, any femininity in trans men stands out to cis people (those that know that he's a trans man) because they're actively searching for it once they have that information.

>>40893971
>No, I meant that dysphoria to most cis people will look like shyness, lack of confidence, which are feminine traits. Therefore trans men will come off as insecure women to them
youre onto something, but may i add that claiming a male identity will paradoxically make all of your behaviors seem more feminine in comparsion. something that would be considered normative for a cisgender woman or a little unusual/gay/mentally ill for a cisgender male will seem overexaggerated and hyperfeminine in a transgender man, because with trannies the gender isn't something that they can take for granted it is given it is claimed its is a privilege that you must conform to all the time and all of your actions will be scrutinized under a microscope. even with cis people there's an expectation to conform to the norms of your sex, with trannies its blown out of proportion, that expectation becomes all-consuming. once people are given the context that you are female that you were born with a cunt they will instinctually connect all of your actions to it. a cis man who collects dolls? well he must be gay or something. maybe hes a little quirky. a diva. a trans man who collects dolls? absurd. how dare she claim to be a man while being so overtly womanly? a cis man who's quiet and shy? well he must be autistic/ or schizoid. maybe hes a savant, a hidden genius. or just a loser. maybe hes anxious, maybe hes aloof and mysterious. maybe he was beaten as a child. who knows. a trans man whos quiey and shy? well thats just female nature for ya. fucking sheeple. a real man would never act like this.
>>40894007
maybe i think this way because i dont go outside a lot but i rarely see women who are built like fertility godesses. i look in a mirror and i see the farem of a klinefelty male with tits stapled onto it. i think that most fem frames are salvagable even if youre not a body luckshit like myself

>>40894221
the frame*

>>40894221
>i think that most fem frames are salvagable even if youre not a body luckshit like myself
that's great. i'm happy for you.
i'm 5'3" with a .7 waist-hip ratio, not even mentioning the tits. don't come in here and try to tell me my body will ever look masculine. it's just untrue.

>>40894339
im talking about the vast majority of women tho like i rarely see foid bodies with venus statue proprotions. im not telling you to poon out and stop repping idgaf

i wear really baggy clothes for obvious reasons and one of the things i hate the most is when i'm outside and it's windy enough that the bagginess gets blown back and everyone can see my actual shape. it's so humiliating every time. like lolol look at this stupid woman she thought nobody would know she's built for childbirth hahahahahaha. kms

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>>40876908
It just keeps getting worse as I age, so I'll probably just rope soon...

>>40877547
Stop lying to retarded women

Do any of you have ideas where to look for repfuel? I'm running out of it, all my fears turned out to be bullshit and the only thing stopping me is that I have to get money.

>>40894543
what were your fears before
ywnbam btw

>>40894602
>what were your fears before
That my family will cut off contact and I will have to build up my life completely from nothing. That I'd be ruining my sister's life. Stupid shit like that. Now I know that it won't happen, it's all fine. Literally nothing will change no matter what I do.
>ywnbam btw
I'm aware. I'm thinking of just going on testosterone and keeping living as a woman anyway, unless I get brave enough to go the official way I guess. That's still repping I guess? But should be a bit easier.

>>40894653
oh if you're just gonna hrtrep/maxx then sure man, do whatever. as long as your expectations are realistic, do what you need to do.

All I do is get angry and frustrated all the time and I don't enjoy doing anything anymore. Don't know what to do at this point. I hate my body but exercising just makes me hyper aware of it and disgusted afterwards.
Been considering taking at least a month long break from the websites I obsess over but every time I've tried in the past I've failed. I hate being so avoidant of other people irl like a coward but I feel like I'm so poorly socialized that there's no hope of me ever integrating socially. Doesn't help constantly seeing people shit talk others online over the slightest things makes me paranoid of doing things wrong so I don't even bother in the first place.

>>40892695
still thinking about this by the way, i literally have this thought 24/7 and nothing makes it go away. there is no worse fate than being a useless hole. the rod i was supposed to have is somewhere out there, in the void of nonexistence, calling out to me.

having a fear of needles just makes me feel like a stupid child

>>40891440
yeah i’ve tried this to cope, it’s not very effective though. i pretend i’m a man 24/7 in a different way

is it true that it is MUCH easier to be seen as a feminine man compared to a masculine woman?
this is literally just me projecting, but do other people feel this way as well? i can name many men i think are feminine and only like 3 women

>>40896769
*who i think are masculine

Can testosterone even do anything to your facial bones after puberty or is it a meme

>>40897006
Under-researched, what we do know is:
>Testosterone thickens bones.
>Skulls continue to change as you get older,
regardless of if you’re on HRT or not.
When it comes to bones, once you’re post-puberty I’d see it more as preventative. I.e., what I already have will develop to appear more male going forward”, versus developing in a female direction.
Facial changes occur regardless due to muscle and fat redistribution.

I am empty and deserve something bad to happen to me and I wish something bad would happen to me to further my suffering and justify me feeling like shit

>>40896769
Yeah. I hope this will change someday, I actually think cis men do have it shitty in that it’s such a low threshold before they’re considered GNC.

>>40899524
so sad, i was hoping it was just in my head

>>40896769
i think a full on faggy feminine man might get more shit than a bulldyke masculine women since the woman could pass as a man and go under the radar while the man would get mistaken for a hon. but going by the average feminine man (so like nail polish and skin care) vs the average masculine woman (tomboy), women have it worse

>>40876908
>QOTT1
worse. i gotta get away from my family so i can go back on t.
>QOTT2
ideally i find some licensed conversion therapist that's still in practice so i can permanently banish the tranny thoughts and dysphoria that's still in my brain. i still haven't found i good one though (they're all christian "god will be sad you should have babies" type shit) so i might just hrt rep and live as an ugly woman.

>>40876908
Not even answering QOTT because it's pointless. Anyway sometimes I self insert in st4t fantasies as the mtf and pretend the ftm is a hot bishie (2d) sadly this can never be real. I imagine my own where he's an incel but still hot he just has autism

>>40899739
>going by the average feminine man (so like nail polish and skin care) vs the average masculine woman (tomboy), women have it worse
I imagine this varies wildly by area. Where I live, the feminine cis man has it worse (this is even backed up by statistics, I was looking into them recently). In places with stricter gender roles for women, I can absolutely see how a tomboy cis woman would struggle significantly more.

How do I cope with AHE I cant even be a real femrepper

>>40900806
What the fuck is a real femrepper

>>40900841
I meant it in the sense that I'm extremely fembrained

>>40900806
>AHE
what is this?

>>40900844
you should be grateful for that, it's really hard being the opposite gender mentally

>>40901083
I'm not grateful because I can't really tell whether I'm actually fembrained or just coping

caring whether you are fembraiend or not is fembrained

>>40901113
True

i gotta kill myself

i hate everyone lmao

I love everyone and want nothing but the best for everyone :3

>>40901007
auto homo eroticism?

>>40900844
Remember that you're unchangeably female and thus its perfectly fine to be "fembrained" because even if you were "malebrained" it still wouldn't change what you are. And also people's standards for male/fembrained are completely subjective and almost always made up especially on here.

i keep getting random fullbody jolts sometimes after i piss and sometimes when i feel emotions

>>40901827
?

>>40877941
>wide hips
stop being a fat retard

>>40902224
are you retarded?

i am a misunderstood tortured soul

>>40902563
tell us about it

>>40902583
live in a country where mental ilness is extremely stigmatized like im not even allowed to drive legally

>>40902912
damn

watching my "trans ideology debunked reacting to woke gender activists" videos again

>>40903196
Do those help to rep?

>>40902912
Just dont get caught driving illegally then.

>>40903235
Watching a guy reacting to compilations of retarded tiktoks weighs on the soul but I'd say yeah. It acts as a distraction from your thoughts and makes you feel somewhat superior to people who actually try to troon/poon out and helps you express your anger outward. And the more scientific debate videos remind me IWNBAM so yeah pretty decent overall.

>>40903257
thats just one example theres more retarded legal restrictions. you cant be a doctor or a teacher or own weapons or be in any important position. it sucks

>>40903271
Jesus Christ we need a more scientific repping method if yewchewb reaction slop is what people turn to. You need to like uncover your inherit Buddha nature or something instead or investigate Stoic thought or something.

>>40903271
I guess I'll try that kind of thing. Especially the more scientific ones, that seems more dooming.

>>40903370
That sounds like a lot of work whereas laughing along with some guy at gigapooners is a lot easier and quicker gratification

i gotta avreliusmaxx

>>40903271
>let me watch other people so they can form my opinions about the world for me
you're right to rep, you sound like a retarded woman through and through kek

>>40903456
Thank you

>>40903271
Feeding your shadow can feel good. But it is ultimately very unhealthy.
You should seek to confront that impulse and to make peace with your own dysphoria. Retreating to the simple comforts of indulging your shadow just leads to ever greater pain over time.
>>40903370
Modern 'stoic thought' is basically the domain of incel brainlets. It's little more than some self destructive conception of masculinity that rapes the past in an attempt to seem more legitimate.
Actual stoicism could help reppers. But good luck finding someone who is going to explain stoic physics and philosophical/cosmological significance of the pneuma.
:3

>>40902299
99% of whining about "muh fat hips waasahhhh" is lazy foids overdoing squats or being fat 35% bf pieces of shit

>>40901560
>>40901597
>>40901605
I will undo your poony thoughts with my skill at inducing female orgasm. Please, don't be shy

>>40903271
it makes me want to transition more because i dont act like those people and id be gigamasculine in comparsion to them

>>40903271
Interesting. A lot of times I happen to watch or read anti trans media it makes me think that the one talking/writing is just cruel, stupid or delusional or a combination of these.
Where does one find that kind of content that actually brings up something reasonable instead of conspiracy theories or misunderstandings of how dysphoria works?

>>40903508
Are you a woman or a man?
Also, is there a difference between an orgasm induced by oneself Vs another in terms of getting rid of "poony thoughts"?

>>40903572
why are you responding to that retard

>>40903533
I think it would be a greater mogging if you were a woman whose behaviors were more accountable, sensible, and ethical than nearly any transman.
Like, actually be a woman who acts as if she held the conditioning and ethics of a man.

I'd be quite embarassed for liddle pink doods

>>40903572
yes, there's a difference between orgasms induced by yourself and ones induced by someone else. sexual activity with someone else is pretty great and jerking off usually sucks.

>>40903581
what man has that kind of conditioning and ethics

>>40903596
>jerking off usually sucks
Maybe for male made people

>>40903575
Because I want to know if it's a feeeeeeemale
And I'm a retard myself

>>40903581
see im in this position where existing as a woman feels inherently humiliating and degrading but so does existing as a trans man. my only cope is being a fringe freudian retentive hysteric schizoposter because my vast knowledge of psychiatry makes me more "male" in societys eyes and pushes me into a weird unfuckable third gender category. if our god was fair and just he would grant me a phallus
>>40903604
yeah most moids are retards desu

>>40903604
Good ones?
The guys who buy their friends a dinner, help his friends pack up and move / offer his truck and a full day of labor, hang out and genuinely listen to his friend's problems, apologizing for his misdemeanors, stepping in to solve a social problem and ensuring he does not create one...
Think virtue ethics

A good man and a good woman would look identical on paper, maybe with some nouns exchanged based on how we tend to socialize and what interests we accrue from whom we hang with.

>>40903641
i'm a pornbrained female thank you. i can barely even get wet.

>>40903672
i don't know any men who aren't retard shitbags but perhaps that is because i'm a mdntally ill zoomer.

>>40903688
Aha, a fellow pornbrained female lol
You don't need to be wet to get off though, no? Just use the clit or something

>>40903663
relate

>>40903702
it hurts how hard i go at my clit. i can achieve orgasm but i get post nut regret and feel dissatisfied.

>>40890000
>>40890222
Why bother though, unironically

>>40903699
Could be, could be.
But men tend to huddle together and don't really like showing vulnerability via "good works" to people they don't know.
Especially when there's a huge and very loud culture of egoists that think kindness is slavery...

>>40903487
Like Aurelius I think it's fine to decline taking on the baggage of becoming bogged down in the thick metaphysics of Stoic thought and instead focus pragmatically on your place in the greater world, an annotated copy of Meditations (my preferred edition is Waterfield) is as good an entry point as any. The physics are fun in the abstract but I think you learn more about them comparing them to platonic or neoplatonic metaphysics instead
>>40903444
You must aureliusmaxx (in a non-youtube slop cringe way)

>>40904090
The problem is that Aurelius was writing about living his life as a stoic. That is inherently downstream of stoic ethics, itself downstream of stoic metaphysics.
99.9% of modern content on stoicism just looks at the writings of Aurelius in isolate. Divorcing it from the philosophical framework that it was in service of and grafting it onto some cringy, regressive conception of masculinity. It is the rape of an philosophical school by hucksters and brainlet incels.
The cis men that consume this shit are not masculine idols to aspire to. They are typically deeply insecure fail-sons.

While I know the demographics of this general have changed, so there are hardly any butches that still post. I will repeat that I actually think butches are the pinnacle of masculinity. One of the reasons for this is because they typically have not internalized this sort of self destructive, retrograde conception of masculinity.
Even if you may not be a butch yourself. I do think that you are harming yourself on some level by engaging in anyway with that sort of drivel.
You should aim so much higher than cis male incels. I believe in you anon, you are capable of so much more :3

>>40904243
Nta
> I will repeat that I actually think butches are the pinnacle of masculinity
Why do you believe in this? Aren't butches usually doing the kind of caricature of masculinity that looks unnatural?

>>40904268
>Why do you believe in this?
This is a topic that I have seriously considered writing a very lengthy essay on. But I will spare you that.
Interestingly, I think it almost comes back to the same place that makes butches so amazingly attractive in the first place; Masculinity without the man. Only in this instance, that lack of maleness allows them to transcend the social barriers that box in cis men, rather than simply being a point of attraction.
Without the poison of the social conditioning towards masculinity that cis men face, they are free to engage with and embrace a form of masculinity that is utterly untainted by (often retrograde) social conceptions of what masculinity is. They are able to embrace the Form of masculinity itself, something that cis men due to their conditioning are forever unable to even see, let alone inhabit.
A hrt butch is typically someone that has been able to access a rarefied, crystalline, pure form of masculinity. It is just amazing, something that is almost religious to witness.
>Aren't butches usually doing the kind of caricature of masculinity that looks unnatural?
Unnatural to who? Cis men who are locked into performing a limited, socially programed form of masculinity?
Butches climbed the mountain for themselves and stole the fire; It was not given freely in some limited form to them at birth.

They just are the principle of masculinity to me. In my ideal world, they would assume the male social role exclusively.
I cannot put into words how much I love them :3

>>40904418
How is butch masculinity different from cis men's?
I just struggle to understand your description a bit because it's not saying anything concrete to me, sorry

>>40904243
I think I made myself misunderstood, I agree with you that like 99% of the discussion (honestly probably all of it) from non-scholars is complete and total slop and actively damaging to your self esteem and any relation to masculinity a person might have, I only recommend using it as a jumping off point primarily because Marcus was writing for himself, like as a kind of self-help/spiritual and ethical reminder to keep himself calm and attend to his responsibilities. Most good translations will at least give a thumbnail sketch of where Marcus' thoughts are coming from in a scholarly and historical manner (and I do recommend a translation with a historical slant rather than philosophical).
But I don't want to turn this into philosophy gen and I feel like a massive pseud telling people to read it in the first place, I just think it holds merit in itself and if you get a good edition, you REALLY don't need any supplemental material from youtube charlatans, and that specifically it can be useful for people trying to deal with the dysphoria thoughts, at least much more useful than watching youtube. Reading any good book will be imo

>>40904501
link me a pdf sister

>>40904489
The masculinity of a cis man is something that is socially programmed. This means that it is something that is easy for them to access (a mental default setting), but it is also limited by the bounds that society places upon masculinity. Thus cis men are able to inhabit easily inhabit a form of masculinity, but it is a constrained and socially polluted form of masculinity.
Masculinity is not given to butches by society. It is something that they have to win for themselves. That process means that the form of masculinity that end up obtaining is not socially bound and limited. This means that while masculinity is orders of magnitude more difficult for a butch to access, they are able to do far more with it and are not restrained in the way that cis men are.
An easy example of this is retrograde masculinity. Incel men feel emasculated by society and thus they form these regressive, harmful ideas of what masculinity is in order to cope. That is just not something that you see with butches, because the lack of a 'social box' for their masculinity prevents both that feeling of emasculation AND the compulsion towards regressive masculinity.
The end result of all this is that while cis men may be masculine. Butch women simply blow them out of the water. They are the true pinnacle of masculinity :3
>>40904501
We generally seem to agree. But I will just say that I do not think it makes any sense to study Marcus until you have a solid foundation in stoic metaphysics and ethics.
Marcus is applied ethics and it makes zero sense to start there. The pathway to understanding would be metaphysics -> ethics -> applied ethics.

>>40904540
https://auth.vapi.ai/storage/v1/object/public/files/1715519032072-67db451f-49e5-4453-bf23-ba10a176af6a.pdf
You can also find this version on annas-archivedotorg I think if you prefer to use Calibre or some other epub manager. This online one is convenient for being able to click the annotated links though
>>40904680
I'm glad we agree ! And I respect your adherence to a more traditional learning method, starting at the foundations, but I've just always been of the opinion if you want to read something, then read it. I'm no academic when it comes to being a student of philosphy but I think there's a lot to be gained from the ethical arguments for virtuous behavior and thought in his journal, especially since he usually doesn't seem interested in in strictly adhering to stoic metaphysics and logic anyway, or at least not subordinating his ethics to them.
Also I think on a more human level there can be something to be gained from reading about how the most powerful man 1900 years ago also dealt with not wanting to get out of bed because the sheets are warm and the people you have to deal with are awful, "officious, ungrateful, abusive, treacherous, malicious, and selfish" people who generally want something from you. If you've ever struggled with OCD like behavior or thoughts there's something relate to in how vulgar and crude he percieves the world to be.
I can also accept that maybe this just sounds a little pseud esp talking about it in femrepgen lol

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>>40876908
>qott
better (yay dissociation!)
>qott2
cure. until then i'll keep drinking and smoking and living vicariously thru my trans friends
>>40877553
i do this already because of positive androgyny lmfao i will never look right no matter the sex i live as