why do trannies deny the obvious sociological reasons that cause people to troon out?such as>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worth>social failure leading to a disidentification with maleness after being rejected by boys and ignored by girls >desire for community, having something in common with otherslike is it just me but the whole female brain from childhood thing sounds like a fantasy explanation whereas the truth is most of it is just trauma to the point of identity death most likely
because admitting homophobia is real would turn women against them, and their ultimate goal is to please and submit to the women who rule society
>>40915728I don't think you really want to talk to people about this, you've made your mind up and just want to bitch on a 23 year old anime forum about it.
>>40915728Hatred of femininity drives a lot in our culture.
>>40915728because nome of those apply to me??
>>40915828sure but you can't deny that most people troon out for those reasons though. i trooned out because it was simply the easiest way to make friends, feel wanted, and have a sense of belonging at the time.t. detrooner
whatever it is I'm here for it
>>40915924same. i'm invested in big pharma
>>40915728i do not, 10000% i trooned out because my mom did my makeup and showed me too much project runway. i'm not even joking, like if i didn't have almost exclusively female socialization growing up i think i for sure would just be a happy if not slightly bicurious guy
>>40915878>most>but I detransitioned...Doubt many share your way of thinking, I lost all my friends, I feel undesirable now and feel like I belong nowhere, but when I had all of that I wasn't happy, so throwing it all away was easy if it meant my mind would be finally clear.
>>40915728no I just have AGP, this only applies to trenders
>>40915972there are more detrooners who think like me than you'd think. they don't publically declare their detransition, they just stop taking hormones, change their online personas, and frequent new social circles as if nothing ever happened. i'm willing to bet more than half of transphobic stuff online is from detrooners who grew bored and disillusioned with being trans and just decided to attack them for fun
Because Blanchard's etiology is a far more persuasive explanation but admittedly from the ages of 9 onward I did think of the reasons you provided as explaining why I wanted to be a girl, it was just that I hadn't discovered AGP yet
>>40916269>i should attack my past self what? just because you went through something means you get to shit all over people in a similar situation? even if i take you at your word you're still a piece of crap. go fuck yourself >>40915878what? if anything i've faced more social rejection than ever before >>40915756homophobia? i'm bisexual and mostly interested in cis and trans woman, maybe the occasional theyfab or ftm, even twinks sometimes, but i mostly prefer woman and spent most of my life being known as straight and not facing homophobia. you're all retarded. fuck each and every last one of you ignorant trolls
>>40915728>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worthI always thought guys were cooler, I'm just not one.>social failure leading to a disidentification with maleness after being rejected by boys and ignored by girlsI had a friend group, dated, went to parties>desire for community, having something in common with othersI never sought out lgbt community beyond having some friends that liked to go to gay bars.
>>40916357>if anything i've faced more social rejection than ever beforeover time being trans does begin to feel that way, but you officially came out of the closet when you were surrounded by people who validated you for being trans. you're totally full of shit if you deny it. once everyone either silently quits or ACKs themselves the only thing left in your life is the social rejection
>>40915728This is basically just like saying only losers transition because it gives them an opportunity to press the reset button on their self esteem along with a new identity but transitioning is hard and takes a lot of conviction something losers typically don't have.
>>40916448>but transitioning is hard and takes a lot of conviction something losers typically don't haveit's not hard at all. it's just as easy as saying "i'm a girl" and then changing your pronouns on social media. most trannies have never touched hormones
>>40916436you know nothing about me bitch. who validated jack shit? my friends who left me or my family who still calls me their son? you're moving the goal posts, too. first you were saying i'm trans because it's fun and validating for attention now you're saying being trans sucks and i should just kill myself. you're full of shit and just a HATEFUL person. fuck you
>>40915728>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worthMarketing or biology? All male animals will sacrifice themselves for pussy
>>40916503Doubt that's true it wouldn't give you any relief in real life so what would even be the point.
>>40916503that isn't transitioning and they aren't actually trannies
>>40916510i'm saying being trans is fun as fuck. it's euphoric like a drug in fact. just like a drug the high is temporary and before you know it you're living under a bridge forgotten about by society
>>40916540>it wouldn't give you any relief in real lifewut? the validation is the relief. you don't need to actually medically transition>>40916565why not? you don't need hormones to be trans
>>40915728wen are beautiful, its not "marketing". identofication with malenes in its current incarnation is result of trauma as its heavily enforced. having "identity" or "ego" itself is pathological. there are only thoughts and feelings. identity stuff is prison for mind.>>40916448very true. its downrigjt frightening thimg oitside of woke bubbles.>>40915970lucky you hehe. most would be beet red from shame from truing make up and likes.
>>40916448Well they're overwhelmingly deemed losers.>marketing that implies women are beautiful and cherished objects that have inherent worthAnd it's not really that, but the idea that being a woman is the only way people will accept your feminine traits, the only way people will accept you having emotions.>>40916357>>40916510The thing with anti-trans people (mostly led by women*cough cough*) is that they're so deeply dug in with their beliefs that men should be unfeeling monsters, and the way they rank the value of men.
>>40916574>it's euphoric like a drug in fact.what? wearing clothes in different shapes and colors is an addictive drug? or bioidentical estradiol, a human hormone that occurs naturally in both men and women, is the drug, despite not being intoxicating? and society forgets about me under a bridge or afrirms and validates me? which is it? you're fucking retarded
>>40916867i'm saying the validation is like a drug. sitting in a discord having people encourage you and engage with you intimately is an amazing feeling. you can COPE all you'd like but that's undeniably why and how you trooned out. you didn't troon out by walking up to your dad, saying you're a girl, and saying you want to grow tits
>>40915728Huh? I don't. Sucks to be a guy, etc.Trooning is just like the solution so I don't see why it's bad?
>>40915728>>desire for community, having something in common with othersDesire for community.... In 1% of the population.....? It's not like it's a giant community... You could easily gain more community by going to church or being a Marvel fanboy.
>>40915818i really do though, i dont deny that some people have gender dysphoria from birth, but when you go to a gaming convention and half the attendees are wearing thigh high socks and amazon miniskirts i have to say the lady doth protest too much
>>40915728>>40915756Most obvious samefag of all time
>>40917119that 1% of the population is special in that the trans community has no standards or gatekeeping so anyone can feel welcomed. every other community has some form of gatekeeping whether they admit it or not.
>>40915972thats cool i had no friends, was an unlovable incel and i thought well transitioning cant make things any worse than they already are, and i was right, trooning out made me friends and got me sex, it was a unconvential status upgrade. ofc the flaw in this plan is i dont actually feel like a woman and i am some kind of bisexual incel skinwalking femininity to feel like a real human but i guess my point is that theres many reasons someone might troon out and people are very very very defensive about these reasons
>>40916801>beet red from shame i never learned to be ashamed of it until i was like 11. Went from a very pretty young girl to a weirdly small male nerd through a single haircut the weekend before picture day
>>40917088it promotes homophobia and misandry
>>40917119i dont want community with old people in a church or a bunch of bearded 30 year olds who watch marvel movies i want to have sex with goth bitches and snort ketamine instead of being an incel loser
>>40917232how is it homophobic for someone simply to choose not to be gay?
>>40917200yeah most people troon out because they see it as a social status upgrade. that's undeniable. if you're an incel chud who gets zero (0) validation then trooning out to get friends and a sex life just makes perfect sense
>>40917190That doesn't really matter if the community you're accessing only exists online and during pride month in certain big cities. Otherwise you are interacting with it online, which is about as much "community" as the average Discord server or subreddit.
>>40917245because being gay isn't a choice
>>40917237Where, pray tell, does one find these so called "goth bitches"? Asking for a friend
>>40916574its hilarious to see people still in denial over this. people DO transition because being trans is seen as being fun. go look at the kind of timeline propaganda is out there if you dont believe me, the average one is like "yeah i was a depressed nerdy loser but then i took hrt and now im a goth bad bitch that does drugs and parties every weekend with my puppygirl friends/polycule"
>>40917338a straight cis man would castrate himself and grow boobs so that he can do drugs with other trannies?I find this hard to believe.
>>40917357they could just be bisexual or porn addicted or both.also you underestimate the desperate lengths someone will go to to be seen when they feel invisible
>>40915728Why? Because they would lose the social capital they need to abuse children and animals.
>>40917384porn addiction would cause a straight cis man to want to self-castrate?why?if he wants attention why not just do steroids or something?
>>40917289but not all gay people are gender dysphoric, which is also not a choice
>>40915728>why do trannies deny [random bullshit I find plausible with no evidence]
>>40917394i never said anything about straight cis men, but if they are agp it could happen.steroids is just another side of the same coin, some people go that route. but steroids just dont have the same addictive pull that taking on a whole new identity and community does.
>>40915728>the truth is most of it is just trauma to the point of identity death most likelyunironically coming to this conclusion for myself in therapy, it's not even conversion therapy, it's just therapyAh well, too late now, kinda like how I am now, I will find my way back to my core self in this altered body. My body has been altered before by disease, by wounds, by training, it's ok that it was altered in my process of self discovery. I do quite like it how it is now and I don't wanna stop hrt
>>40915728Take yer pills faggot
>>40919527yeah, you are what you do, definitely not your feelings. who is more trans, a john 50 who had dysphoria since he was 3 or an agp coomer who troons out for fun and becomes a passoid. trannies will never answer this simple question
>>40919527What OP is extra retarded about is that he doesn’t know that identity death and reformulation is a normal, periodic part of development. They typically happen after major life changes, and the person having the crisis learns more about their actual values and feelings and grows/changes.
>>40919681If what you do is constantly at odds with your feelings, even unconsciously, then you will fuck yourself up. Repping does nothing but damage.
>>40916686yes you do
>>40917338>having fun w/ it is le bad o algo
>>40917072>you didn't troon out by walking up to your dad, saying you're a girl, and saying you want to grow titsno i trooned out by taking estrogen, something which my dad told me to stop when he found put>sitting in a discord having people encourage you and engage with you intimately is an amazing feeling. you can COPE all you'd like but that's undeniably why and how you trooned out.discord didn't troon me out, reading the Wikipedia article on virilization, then other medical information about the physical and mental effects of estradiol did. i told no one except for my close friends/roommates
>>40917172this guy has been shitting up the board for the past few days>homophobia exists!>that's bad>yeah fuck women>???
I want to troon out but I do think more scrutiny would be good, some trannies seem very happy in their skin and for others it seems to fix nothing and I think that's something very important to look at.
>>40917172>>40921001the second one is obviously just gincel newfriends
>>40915878>i trooned out because it was simply the easiest way to make friends, feel wanted, and have a sense of belonging at the time.You're insane and retarded.
