>cishets call me gay, don't accept me>gay men call me trans and tell me to get out>trans women hate me for vibes reasons>avoid cis women's spaces because don't want to invade>bi men just want to beat, impossible to befriend them despite otherwise being most alignedWhy does everyone treat femboys so poorly? I feel pre-judged no matter what and ostracized for reasons beyond my control.
>>40933816>femboyYou are a cross dresser. Society has never tolerated or liked cross dressers.
>>40933816>bi men just want to beat, impossible to befriend them despite otherwise being most alignedUhhh literally all of my friends are bi but ok
Do you wear striped thigh highs and a short black skirt?If so: thats why no one fw you and femboys in general. 90% AGP weirdos
>>40933848Semantics. Doesn't change my question. Society has never liked gays or trannies either and yet they enjoy more acceptance than I. Moreover, women who dress in a masculine way aren't excluded as I am.
>>40933882I'm articulating my experience, for clarity. All of my attempts failed because we wanted different things. Am I doing something wrong?
>>40933884No, I don't wear skirts and I don't wear thigh highs because they're perceived as tacky. But there are plenty of AGP trans women who enjoy more acceptance than I who *do* do those things, so that doubly can't account for it!
>>40933901I don't know you mate, how could i know ?What kind of places are you looking for friends ?
>>40933918Online and in person.
u want queer friends ? go to fighting game locals and or queer raves
>>40933944I tried that and got spuriously called a pedophile for recognizing the developers pandered to lolicons
>>40933926I'm saying where Where onlineWhere IRLWhat kind of people do you hang around with ?
>>40933976I've tried imageboards and Twitter online.IRL I've tried everything from hobby groups to work events to "queer spaces."I'm the only common denominator and it never works.
Same, I also feel so isolated wven from the queer community. It especially sucks that trans women hate us since I look up to them>>40933908I don’t wear them either but I wish I could. I know they’re considered cringey but they look really cute.
>>40933890When women dress masculine it’s not inferred that they are doing so for sexual reasons, because they usually are not. Crossdressing men (aka “femboys”) rarely if ever present as they do outside of a sexual context or without sexual motivations. I hope this helps.
>>40933993Maybe try something else than 4chan and Twitter, no ? Personally i wouldn't recommend those places IRL, but i don't know how make friends IRL so whatever
>>40934022That's a preconceived, baseless bias. I'm not doing it for sexual reasons.
>>40934031OK gooner
>>40934022Anything feminine is bound to get sexualized. But that doesn’t make being a femboy inherently sexual. Just stop being so hateful
>>40934036I don't masturbate because I don't feel the need to, but even if I did that would hardly make me unique among men or women. Most people aren't asexual.
>>40933816Femboys are seen as cowardly trannies that can't just do the twink thing either and have to cross-dressReminds people of transvestites
>>40933967Literally how do you fuck up that badly in a social situation, u just sit down and play a video game and chat to ppl about video games, how the fuck did you manage to turn that into pedophile allegations against yourself TwT
>>40934031>>40934040There is nothing biased or hateful about what I just explained. Your kneejerk reaction suggests I struck a nerve. You know fully well that crossdressing men are heavily self-sexualized and society is not completely wrong to assume or at least be suspicious of cross dressers for this very reason. It’s not hate to explain the obvious to you.
>>40934066Because I don't like spurious life ruining accusations. They were accusing someone else of being one based on a loli character in the game and I couldn't take that lying down.
>>40934049Not op but I am toi cowardly to transition so just let me be a femboy in peace. No need to hate and make me feel even shittier about myself when you already have it better than me by transitioning
>>40934049This is true. its all about perception, if you dont have swag and or ur phyiscally unappealing for whatever reason (usually stuff you can fix) then people will just percieve you this way. pretty privlidge goes a longgg way.
>>40933816take estrogen anon
>>40934074Women sexualize themselves all the time too. Who gives a fuck. Only puritans and incels cry about people being too openly sexual
>>40934078Not to make assumptions. BUT i am going to assume you are socially inept and that they were making a joke and then you took it seriously and started defending the side of the loli (whether correct or not) and they just took that as odd behaviour, And also probably were joking about the allegatiosn towards you in the first place too.
>>40934085I do.
>>40934093They were quite serious about the accusations towards the other person and myself.
>>40934079If youre gunna whine about femboy oppression while being exactly what the perception of them is you should just be trans. Better to be trans than to be closeted trans who instead identifys as something people like even less.
>>40934096I wish I could take estrogen as a femboy but I’m too much of a pussy :(
>>40934114I never said femboys were oppressed. I like being a femboy which is why I can’t bring myself to be trans. I wish I could be a femboy and a girl at the same time. All I’m saying is that there’s no reason for you to treat us like shit.
>>40934123Being a femboy is unrelated, also if ur too much of a pussy for it then its probably because youre not confident in the choice, which in that case you shouldnt be doing it at all. learn yourself as a person more first.
>>40934134I mean there kinda is when like 95% of public perception is AGP 15 year olds on tf2 with a boykisser pfp, And thats not just a perception thing, that just IS how majority of 'femboys' are if you spend any amount of time interacting with them.
>>40934090Are you looking for an explanation or an argument? Yeah women sexualize themselves often. Men self sexualizing as women and like women (crossdressing) is viewed as bizarre and creepy. I’m not sure why my explaining this to you makes you so mad.
>>40933848>You are a cross dresser. Society has never tolerated or liked cross dressers.Incorrect
I wouldn't mind femboys except that they've always been awful, toxic, drama-seeking train wrecks in my observation. Just all around terrible.Is it a reaction to how they're treated? I doubt that because trans women are treated very badly and not all of them are like that.
>>40934165As a femboy myself, most of the community isn’t toxic or awful. Most of them are just kinda cringey “skirt go spinny” types. And I’ve come across quite a few very mean trans people before.
>>40934152What's the public perception of trans women, remind me
>>40934152I could say the same for trans people, with a large amount of them acting in a similar manner. Just go to any popular trans subreddit or discord and you’ll see them everywhere. You only specifically hate on femboys acting cringe because you just hate people who are different then you.>>40934135I’ve been trying to “learn myself” for years and I still haven’t figured anything out. I can’t just keep waiting forever since my body continues to masculinize everyday and I’m running out of time.
>>40933967which game
>>40934299Melty Blood
>>40934411lmao you're dumb as fuck bro. Just play the game or be quiet. That game is based on an incest doujin where a highschooler has sex with 3000 year old vampires and his sister wants to fuck. Just be quiet about the aesthetics of the game or pick a different game.
>>40934426I didn't bring the conversation topic up and it's what I played. Sorry.
>>40934079you may as well transition since people will hate you regardless
>>40933816>>40933999Hey just wanted to say I'm a transfem and I like femboys. I think the femboys vs trans women thing was mostly cooked up by third parties trying to use femboys as a bludgeon against trans people (and trans people making a bit of an ass out of themselves with the "trap" discourse). In truth femboys and transfems have a ton in common and I consider the two to be really close. Close enough that they fall for the narcissism of small differences, but in general I think I've seen the two communities grow closer together rather than further apart.
>>40934545Thank you, I do agree that the whole transfem vs femboy thing is mostly cooked up by other parties, like most queer discourse usually is. I truly do admire and look up to a lot of transfems despite being a femboy. >>40934491But like I’ve said. I do like being a femboy, which is why I’m too scared to transition. I don’t want to have to abandon being a femboy
>>40933816AGP needs social advocacy, it needs to become well understood as its own niche.I do wonder what ordinary (not insane TERF) cis women would think of AGPs if they fully understood it.
>>40934698If you prefer to be a femboy then there's nothing cowardly about keeping that identity. If however you truly wished to be a woman, you can take smaller steps to experiment with that. A lot of femboy culture is about attempting to present in a female manner anyway, and at that point the distinction is one of personal identification.
>>40934731I think they do and don't like it
>>40934731Being a femboy isn’t AGP>>40934783I know the distinction is mostly personal but I still can’t decide. I desire to be a femboy and also desire to be a girl. I know gender-fluid is a thing, but most people even in the lgbt community don’t acknowledge it. If anything it might just be more isolating since I probably wouldn’t be welcome in femboy spaces or transfem spaces
I would call you gay and still accept you.
>>40935466In my case it is. I'm not attracted to women, nor "genuinely" into men, only what they can do to me.
>>40935466If it makes you feel less alone, I'm non-binary after having gone through a similar period of uncertainty as you. It's important to follow what you feel in your heart regardless of how others might react, but beyond that people are more accepting of non-binary people than you might think. The occasional disparaging comment might be found online but in general I think people are fine with it. Or rather, they don't really think about the idea that a person could be non-binary. If you go to femboy spaces and call yourself a guy nobody will question it, and if you go into transfem spaces as a woman you likewise won't run into issue. I think it's important to actively live my non-binary identity though because otherwise you're in a sort of second closet behind the first one that's been opened. Being openly non-binary will definitely increase the chances of pushback but there's also spaces specifically for non-binary people to chill and hang out with one another. So it kind of closes some doors and opens others, but it's not like I can't hang out in both femboy and transfem spaces anyway.
if ur over 18 gimmie ur discord im a trap femboy and like talking to people that fail vibe checks
>>40936386Not talking to people who type like that.
