If you voted for Trump this is what you deserve
How is this legal?
>>40934963No tranny votes republican
can we just ban transgender americans from being trans in public and accessing gender affirming care?
>>40934991>Dems will have to defend the 2Lmao
>>40934991if tranners are considered mentally unfit for firearm ownership it is legal but i think this is only legally determinable on a case-by-case basis
I've met some but they are all faketrans losers and must be detransitioned
>We need to ban guns>NO NOT LIKE THAT!
>>40934963this is happening because we continue to tolerate faith and its fundamentally authoritarian and anti-reality expressions as the basis for policy and even an entire "side" of politicsstop tolerating faith
>>40934991lol you think that matters? we don't live in that world anymore
>>40935042there is a difference between>gun access should be restrictedand>gun access should be restricted [for this specific group of people i don't like]but you knew that, of course
>>40935048transgenderism is an authoritarian religion of its own
>>40935006plenty of pickmes out there, treat them the way they deserve
>>40935048trvke
>>40934991>>40934963I been sayin it for months nowIt literally does not matter if it's illegal. Legality is now subjective and depends entirely on whatever the supreme court decides to allow Trump to get away with. Welcome to the prerogative state anons. This is what you voted for.
>>40935059Gun access should be restricted from the mentally ill
its hilarious how Republicans have pushed so many gun control laws over the decades while championing themselves as the scions of the second amendment
being right-wing or "conservative" is not a legitimate political stance and is more accurately categorized as domestic terrorists' ideology, one whose representatives and elected lawmakers have openly stated in many places over the past 5 years alone that it intends to oppress and harm the LGBT populationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Q5kfikMsU
>>40935082What is the intended conclusion of this argument? That we shouldn’t let the first step—freedom of worship—happen?
>>40935154right, anyone who has taken depression or anxiety medication as or has been diagnosed with a mental disorder should lose complete access to guns
>>40935201Imagine swinging so far to the left you’re calling people who hold beliefs commonly held in 2006 “terrorists”Also ironic given the mass shootings recently. You’re clearly insane and should no legally own guns
>>40935209>erm dashno, you moron, it's that you shouldn't tolerate it as the basis for any kind of public policy at any level of society>>40935224learn to read
>>40934963This is a really funny outcome for one specific person that i used to know
>>40935020>conservaniggers have to support gun restrictionslmao
>>40935154no more guns for you then sick sociopathic scum
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/04/politics/transgender-firearms-justice-department-second-amendmentimagine if they applied the same standards to themselves
>>40935059>>gun access should be restricted>and>>gun access should be restricted [for this specific group of people i don't like]>but you knew that, of courseEver heard of red flag laws?It is literally point 2
Take the guns awayDo it soon.
>there's someone in here RIGHT NOW who threw her rights away because she thought chuds were less of a threat to her than interracial anti-trans violenceOh no no no
Trannies are not fit to possess firearms
>>40935008You can ban anything you want the question is can you enforce it.
>>40935234>the basis for any kind of public policyWhat do you mean by this? I’m being sincere. Should the freedom to worship be part of our legally/socially recognized rights or not? If the answer is yes, that means it is giving rise to public policy. Your anger level is so much higher than your clarity.
>>40935331you are not half as clever as you imagine or pretend to be
>>40935048Atheist here, my disgust with trannies has nothing to do with the Bible
>>40935326I mean we have data farms upon data farms of surveillance data - surely we could use that to create a targeted enforcement system of who is clandestinely trying to take hrt.
>>40935341conservative faith also has very little to do with the bible
>>40935006I did as a repper
>>40935346What is conservative faith
>>40935350exactly what it sounds like
>>40935350transgenderism - you believe that being masculine and feminine is wrong, so you have to pick a side and only be one or the other - in entirety
>>40935370what?
>>40935340
>>40935006This board in the months prior to the election would prove otherwise. Not all but certainly noticeable bunch
>>40935377conservative faith is believing that fitting into gender roles is more important than being happy - trannies believe in conservative faith
>>40935340Theyre asking a good question.
>>40935404no, they're not, they're injecting a non-sequitur into the discussion
>>40935400esl?
>>40934963nothing ever ha-ACK
why are Republicans always trying to control guns lol it's wild
>>40935410You posted the slippery slope bullshit, retard so if it’s a non sequitur then it’s your goddamn fault
>>40935429incorrect
reminder that one of the recent detroon shooter's original targets he wrote about in his journal was a trans furry event venue but he decided against it partially because some of those trannies might have had guns and innocent little children were more vulnerabletoo lazy to dig through the schizobabble again for a screencap but it's in there if you read it
>>40935436more evidence that trans people need to be protected from radicalizing cults and detransitioners are crying for help
>>40935042I never wanted to ban guns
>>40935424Conservatives are terrorists. They're literally destroying the country from the inside.>>40935307>>40935291can you just shut the fuck up? I'm sick of seeing your hon face.
>>40935442>"crying for help" by murdering innocent little children
>>40935461>if we dont let millions of illegals into the country and let blm burn cities, the country will be destroyed! America did just fine before your insanity
>>40934991This kind of useless NY Times subscriber reaction is the real blackpill>omg but that's illegal!Just shut the fuck up you are complicit in everything that happens
>>40935480No one even mentioned immigration lil bro. It's crazy to me how black people, Mexicans, and trannies are ALWAYS on your mind. You're a bunch of obsessed weirdos.
>>40935499I’m sure you thought this post was clever
>>40935436He also said he hopes his actions result in more gun control.
>>40935519yeah he was just an all-around evil piece of shit
>>40935519Here's another page where he says it. I read only a handful of this creeps schizo babble. Shit was wack.
>>40935513It’s just a fact that you are an obsessed weirdo who desperately needs to get a job and take a shower
>>40935513weak comeback. that's to be expected from terrorists like you. Trump is not Jesus, and he's not going to save the economy. You got played by a bunch of oligarchs who don't actually give a shit about you. You'll never be able to afford a home, but let's keep blaming trannies because that's doing SOOO much for your country. You're a joke.
>>40935546Nazi not working anymore, so now everyone is a terrorist?
>>40934963I'm against this targeting trannies specifically but if it targets the wider mentally ill demographic and trannies are included in that I'm fine with itFrankly at least it'll prevent another batch of hon militia photos
can we get the NRA on our side now?
>>40935556that's the only thing you got out of my comment? That's the Only thing that caught your eye?? It's like you creatures can only focus on one thing at a time, literal goldfish brain. you're too stupid to actually address my argument, so you try countering it with weak insults. Rightiods are intellectually bankrupt.
>>40935215it already works like that in some states if you see a shrink or get ssris or something your on a list
>>40935154thisTrannies can either fuck off or get mental help and become normal members of society again.Until then, regular people want you to stay the fuck away from our children.
>>40935642What argument
>>40935680You don’t have any children tho. You’re an unemployed unfuckable incel and virgin.
>>40934963>>40934991>Hon is this legal?FTFY>>40935201>disagreement is thoughtcrime!Yes! This is the perfect illustration of why trannies are too mental to have guns.>>40935536>santhsTranscriptionigger...It's clearly meant to say "scythe", how are ppl this hopeless.
>>40935685like I said, stupid.
>>40935642>Rightiods are intellectually bankrupt.>Rightiods
>>40935726Is your argument that Trump is not Jesus?You want me to address that remark?Did you want me to say “no Trump IS christ!”? And then you’d say something about a cult?Is that how you imagined “conversation” over your “argument” would unfold?Honestly not even sure why you brought up Trump out of no where. Obsessed i guess
>>40935745It’s essential healthcare and the science is settled. Anyone who disagrees is a terrorist nazi. Experts agree.
>>40935645must be red states because it's not like that in the most liberal state in the country (according to Republicans)
>>40935689incel means women's only value is their holes
>>40935758its definitely a cult lol I've seen entire trucks wrapped in trump shit and entire families with matching maga hats and trump shirts. Its insane
>>40935745You are a violent <80 IQ ape and should be chained to a concrete wall for the safety of everyone else.
>>40935813Do they have matching programmer socks and ikea sharks too?
>>40935042I'm a pro-gun tranny and there are tons of us
>>40935234you should therefore only tolerate a version of religion internalised to such levels of unawareness that you become non-sentient?
>>40935844go away you fucking schizo
Why isn’t Trump in jail yet for all the illegal shit he’s done? How was he elected.
>>40935745>would love to have any excuse to knock your tranny teeth out Not likely considering you’re a pasty weak manlet.
>>40935848blame merrick garland and the biden admin for being total cowards. brazil locked up their version of trump no problem
>>40935848The supernazi terrorist charge is strangely not on the books yet. So no grand jury can indict him
>>40935875And Trump is throwing tarrifs at Brazil for putting his friend in jail. Trump is a big loser and a big baby. The most petty loser in history.
>>40935875>powerful jews should try to imprison germanic whites who do things they don't agree withsurely that will end well
>>40935891>powerful germanics support israeli genocide>left wing jews dontDAMN TOUGH CHOICE. Kys
>>40935846first learn to not speak with a mouth full of slop
>>40935848the heritage foundation
>>40935918Genocide is murdering ethnicities + powerSince only whites have systematic power only whites can commit genocide
>>40935925what sort of heritage is being referenced?
>>40935932lol
>>40935928>faux woke speak in 2025the fascist ZOG is actively taking away your rights retard, grow up
This is it. This is the big one. This is the thing that will let them go full steam ahead with the camps and prisons.This is one of your final chances to find a means to get out of this country before they start door to door searches.
>>40935949What rights have i lost
>>40935848trump is a long standing member of the wealthy ruling class. The last president was also a member of that same class and an acquaintance and friend of trump. Thus he was resistant to actually cracking down on him because that's just not how American society is supposed to work. The wealthy are not supposed to face serious consequences. He was only forced to seriously start holding trump accountable when it was far too late.
>>40935848The supreme court decided this. It's because he's a president, or was a president. And 6 of them decided we don't want potential political pressures to be an influence presidential actions. So we have dictators now>>40935932What "heritage" do you think they're trying to reinstate, what could possibly be considered a long running theme of American politics, regarding a certain segment of the population?
>>40935925The Aristocrats!
>>40935745>I have nieces and nephews FYI, and would love to have any excuse to knock your tranny teeth out You’re 5’5” and obese, literally nobody is scared of you
>>40935963jewish?
>>40935963I warned people this was coming when they discussed overturning roe v wade with no basis, but nobody fucking listened
>>40935848He is rich and charismatic
>>40936017Oh I did too. We are entering the transitional phase of authoritarianism. I'm just waiting for an emergency decree to be passed through before we REALLY see the prerogative state take off
>>40934963This is nothing burger lol, what would be a far better solution and something that I think will actually happen is reopening all the institutions and start admitting anyone who is deemed mentally unwell which will include a lot of of trans people who act out especially youths. And those people will be barred from owning firearms under us law.
Good. AGP are not women and need to be forcefully detransitioned and sent to insane asylums.
>>40936017>with no basisyou can drop your unwanted baby off at the hospital and never see it again without killing it
>>40936101Print magazines still exist?
>>40935201Bro, the marriage being a socially acceptable thing in the public eye only came about in the 2010s. According to you, anyone who has opinions that were the norm pre-10 is a terrorist. Get a grip on reality.
>>40936119City papers/magazines yep
>>40934991it's notowning firearms is a constitutional righteveryone should own a gun, bootlickers can decide not to if they want and rely on a government that hates them for protection
>>40935579The mentally ill hon militia photos are hilarious though don’t let them take my entertainment
The Trump administration is expected to approve an extension of U.S. troops’ deployment in D.C. that could stretch until Dec. 31, to ensure that National Guard forces sent to the capital are mobilized long enough to receive the full complement of service-related benefits, said two people familiar with the matter.
>>40935875Brazil’s is an authoritarian shit hole that locks up opposition candidates, and censor the media. Let’s not glaze Brazil because it’s nice to troons
I can’t wait for the headline that Trump is no longer in the land of the living anymore. People are going to party in the street. It’s gonna be fun.
>>40936197Hello America, I’ll be the president until at least 2032
>>40936204I would do anything to not have Vance or Newsom anywhere near the White House.
>>40936204He can’t be any worse that Trump. And at least he’s not a convict. Midterms are going to fucking destroy the red seats in house and senate. All the right wingers will cry.
>>40936224The majority of americans are very happy with the republicans
>>40936224>He can’t be any worse that Trump*monkey paw curls*
>>40936224You are making the fatal mistake of believing the average voter is from your subreddit or discord.
>>40936224Trump still has roughly 50% or above approval rating on immigration and LGBT issues. You can keep malding but I doubt the seats are going to change much. Nothing ever happens though I wish Trump was an actual fascist and not just a mid boomercon president
>>40936183god bless lula de silva
>>40936235What polls are you looking at? Fox News?https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5476006-trump-approval-rating-drop/amp/
>>40936204I'd unironically vote for him if he literally began dressing like and adopting a goth/emo personality.You know how badass that would be?
>>40936262>theShillLOL! He doesn't know.It's okay guys. Let him believe he's got all the support in the world. Dems will be fucking blown out of the water for generations to come.
>>40935680the recent shooter detrooned and became "normal" according to you>>40935745meds
>>40936224>He can't be any worse that Trump.If only you knew how bad things really were.>The midterms will save us!People screech this. But even if it is true that a majority of voting Americans do now reject everything Trump and co are doing: What, exactly, do you think the Trump administration will do in reaction to a blur wave? Do you think they'll come out and announce that they will be working with their new democratic colleagues to pass important legislation? Probably not. In fact, I would put money down that instead of that, Trump will complain about the vote being rigged, send in the army to seize voting machines, """irregularities""" will be found, and then the republican candidates in key elections will have actually been """proven""" to be the """real""" winners (by a narrow margin) resulting in a republican majority, if not supermajority. Screencap this post if you don't believe me
>>40936224He will, he would be thiel puppet
>>40936396I doubt thats the dems will win the midterms at all
>>40936235lol
>>40935042Pretty sure a majority of Americans do not want to ban guns.
>>40936183Brazil is number 1 in tranny murder
>>40936465I think they will win enough to get a majority in one or both houses of congress but I don't think congress will have a democratic majority by swearing in day
if they make it illegal for anyone with a mental illness of any kind, even gender dysphoria, to own a gun, that would include people with ADHD and anyone taking antidepressants like SSRIs or basically any medication for your mental health. and you'd have no way of knowing without violating medical confidentiality to pull diagnoses and medications. and with DIYers ordering drugs from India, China, and Mexico, it's impossible
>>40936396Remeber when Biden materialized 15 million voters that never previously wanted to defend the status quo and then they evaporated 4 years later
>>40936146why is barring felons from owning guns legal but not trannies? why cant we say gender dysphoria increases risk of harm to self/others?
>>40936497being trans isn’t a crime (yet). are you also going to bar people with depression, anxiety, and PTSD from owning guns? or just trannies?
>>40936486the dictatorship is already compiling all of this informationyou have no rights
>>40936528People who have been committed due to depression or suicidal idealization are federally prohibited from owning guns today
>>40936490>source: ZeroHedgeOkay so no source, got itBut no 15 million votes did not magically appear for Biden. I was gonna run the numbers to show how decreased voter turnout and people changing their minds about who to vote for can account for the difference in voter turnout but desu I know it wouldn't change your mind and I really can't be assed to do it right now. But to tl;dr what I started is basically 2024 was a contest between different candidates, there was lower voter turnout, and people often look to other options when the current one isn't working out. I'd say the massive swing in votes has more to do with trumps bungling of COVID and Biden being a senile old egoist sabotaging the democratic primary system than some imaginary, one time massive increase in voter fraud which has never been substantiated by any reputable source
>>40936490anglefagging and what is voter turnout
>>40936600They don't even need evidence to make claims like this because you're dealing with overgrown manchildren fueled by feelings.
>>40936623The numbers are accurate when you compare to what’s on wsj and Wikipedia
>>40935006I know at least 12 right wing trannies that did.However this is an unsubstantiated rumor and will never happen.
>>40935048The only one that is anti reality here is you my friend.You can't take anyone's right to vote away and you're too weak to ever do it too no matter how much you want to;)
>>40936630They are objectively not accurate according to the source you cite (wikipedia)
>>40935201You can enjoy your conspiracy theories but try not to bother regular people darling.
>>40936675>edited Wikipedia to win a 4chan pissing contestOk based
>>40935461The people doing that are the ones pushing for mass immigration sweetheart.Even more so in europe my god that's scary.
Why can't you trans giels just be like before. I Remember Bailey Jay. Now we have transbians raping children and shit. Why did you change?
>>40936696I didn't edit anything.I just googled 2024 election results, clicked the page, and screenshot itWhat you are experiencing is cognitive dissonance between the reality you are trying to inhabit and actual reality
>>40935059yeah, what the gungrabbers meant was that they wanted to ban guns from those OTHER people. kinda sucks when the show is on the other foot
>>40936479all the Biden voters did. especially after every shooting. I would think they would be happy that Trump is meeting them halfway.
>>40936706because you guys worshipped a false idol.
I fucking hate Trump
>>40936618wrong. people who have been adjudicated as mentally unstable AND a threat to themselves or others are barred from owning guns. you can get this overturned down the line too if your state allows it and you get the requisite authorities and psychiatric professionals to sign off on it.self commitment doesnt make you ineligible to own guns specifically because they understand that being able to acknowledge when you need help is being of rational and stable mind even if youre in a low where you feel incapable of keeping yourself safe.
>>40934991"Ban guns for trannies" is likely illegal. They'll look into a few high-profile nutjobs fedposting, get them on the same laws they'd get a cishet person, and trot it out on X to say SEE WE TOTALLY PWNED THE TRANSGENDER INSANITY! They don't have access to a database of all trans people. It's all for show.
>>40934991If citizen X is mentally unwell (see: has a record), then we deny X firearm license.If someone is "trans", it means they should have mental unwellness from dysphoria.Q.E.D., trans people would not get firearm license due to mental health record.But proposing mental health record -> trans person is the break, since many just DIY their hormones... so, there's no record.
this is pretty poggies ngl
>>40936618Being trans is not a mental illness. Try again
>>40938227
>>40936600Holy FUCK she looks more aged than a few months ago. Stimulants and sucking off trump must be taking a toll.
>>40939073>trannies criticising actual woman's looksnever change /lgbt/
>>40934963Lol, well there goes any shot the reds had at 2028.
>>40936623>>40936625Just passing thru and want to laugh at that retard who is somehow also operating in bad faith. Zomg they appeared out of nowhere... pls don't notice my side also "materialized" 9 million voters out of thin air and then lost millions of these loyal voters. Oh or ignore how the first time he lost the popular vote significantly but *now* it's important, and it was also rigged then but he beat the rigging just like he beat the rigging in 2024 but somehow couldn't in 2020 and the dems just decided not to use their ultimate secret fraud superweapon. Btw umm ignore that epstein died under trump it was ummm biden's fault somehow and the epstein files exist and must be released and they're on pam bondi's desk but they also don't exist but they also do exist but they're fake and made by the democrats but i didn't have anything to say about that a few years ago and ignore that they were just as happy as i was to sweep it under the rug until I promised to release them and --I'd just say it's shitty bait, but that's our insane reality these days, these retards fall for such easy bullshit as long as it jerks off their emotions/egos.
>>40939138Republicans will not lose a single vote over this. In fact they will probably gain votes
I sure as shit hope this is just for show or just some dumb rumor.
>>40939215Lolno. The 2A crowd do not take a single step back on the >SHALL>NOT>BE>INFRINGEDthing. They're still bitter about the bump stock thing. They might be the most racist, homophobic, parochial arseholes in America but they won't rest and every schizophrenic transgender african muslim is armed with at least one automatic rifle and two handguns. Remember the NRA doesn't work for the average gun owner, they work for the arms industry. And the arms industry sees us as a lucrative market.
>>40935249They absolutely will if it only applies to trannies.
>>40939553For a right winger you seem to have a very poor understanding of how the right actually works
>>40939553Delusional. See you in the camps
>>40935006It's rare but some do. It's usually ugly John, 50 fetishist hons like radiochan or extremely insecure hussies doing whatever their chaser husband tells them to. Mostly the former though lol
>>40939605Our sin is out for all to see.What is done in the dark will be brought to the light.
>>40939565No they will not. Straight away that SCREAMS "slippery slope" and that is the mindset they've been in since the National Firearms Agreement. That why even the most benign and sensible regulations like a national firearms registry is actually and unironically a cause for a civil war for these people. They will not support this. I've seen this. Any tranny on this board, man or woman, can walk into a gun store covered in crosses and the stars and bars and ask for advice on which gun to own and they will autistic spiel from the entire fucking gun shop on which gun is the correct gun for a trans person to own amidst rising transphobia. These people do not do intersectionality. Equality before the law means EVERYBODY gets EXACTLY the same rights. You do not have the right to estrogen or women's bathrooms, but fucking oath you have the right to bear arms. >>40939600>>40939605No you. You get your idea of the right wing mindset from John Oliver who has no fucking idea. They fucking HATE hypocrisy. One law, for ever. E pluribus unum.
>>40939639White people (who control the gun lobby) have been perfectly willing to take guns out of the hands of groups they deem unworthy of firearms ownership. You need to step outside of your lolbert echo chambers and learn how the real world works
>>40939639>They will not support this.You seem to think conservatives are rational people operating in good faith, you're in for a rude awakening.
>>40939683unfortunately most of them are just lied to, like the only reason they care is because the satanics keep the media pumped up on tranny stuff as a useful tool of political control
>>40939639Conservatives will take guns away from everyone they hate as long as Trump lies to their face and pinky promises he won't touch their guns.
>>40939683>trannies are rational people operating in good faith
>>40939731You are being fed propaganda. Go live your life and pay no mind to us, I forgive you.
>>40939655The gun lobby has done no such thing. "Liberals" have. Hillary Clinton and her "super predators" which just means black men on drugs, were the ones using fear of the lower class to scare the upper class into 2A erosion. The 2A crowd thinks you deserve to be reenslaved because you keep voting for the people who take away your rights. >>40939683Conservatives are not a monolyth. Republicans have become the big tent party because the Democrats keeps applying silly ideological purity tests that has evicted most of their traditional base. The 2A crowd will not support this. >>40939699OMG please get off social media and talk to people. >>40939719"Conservatives" are not a monolyth. You're the one who is lied to about them. They tell you what they beleive and what they look like to justify your hate and prejudice against them. Because you're a fucking hypocrite.And that's why they hate you. They fucking hate hypocrisy. Number one thing that pisses them off is blue team hypocrisy. >>40939749NO U. This is not the democrat board. Ideological gatekeeping is transphobia. Everyone who is LGBTQIA+ is welcome in LGBTQIA+. And gender dysphoria does not discriminate. 0.5% of republicans are trans too.
>>40939774Yeah, I know, I lean right too. The tranny hate is a massive deception done on the conservatives of this country to distract them from how evil the people who represent them have turned out to be.
>>40939801Absolutely. Trans in the headline. Israel in the news search. Every time.
TRans in the headlines, Israel in the news seach. Here's what we're being distracted from. Israel ignored plea for a peace deal so the IDF could kill another 62 starving palestinians.
>>40935090>Legality is now subjective and depends entirely on whatever the supreme court decides to allow Trump to get away with.Brainlet take but not uncommon. The federal judiciary and specifically SCOTUS is the most functional branch of government. Almost everyone who cries about SCOTUS decisions didn't even bother to read the opinions in question let alone have the knowledge to interpret the decision. By law the only way to prevent trannies from purchasing guns is to adjudicate them mentally defective which is to say if you have been involuntarily committed. Even such people can get their rights restored given time and money. The executive cannot change these circumstances without a law passed by Congress and ATF cannot rewrite the 4473s by fiat since SCOTUS itself struck down executive deference. On the civilian side, serious 2A advocates understand that allowing government to revoke rights based on the whim of what the government considers mental illness is a short ticket to total disarmament. The contingent of self professed 2A supporters who would support this, and their are many because they are christfags, don't actually understand the issues at stake and don't have any power in the advocacy organizations that actually protect gun rights. In fact if the Trump admin were to push for banning trannies from gun ownership, antigun circuit courts like the 9th would likely make pro-2A rulings that would setback the Bloomberg pacs that fund antigun politicos in blue states.All this is trivial because this whole controversy is saber rattling for maga political points after a tranny did a mass shooting. People losing their minds over this lack media literacy. But go ahead and justify your political derangement however you like; you are in good company here.
>>40939639You're a dipshit Australian Emily you don't know a damn thing about how American politics worksThe 2A types will love this because they'll just toe the line that trannies are inherently dangerous and crazy and then advocate for the "sensible gun control" as a means of cover to keep concealed carry assault rifles, universal background checks etc (things they have cared immensely about previously) permanently on the gun control backburner to keep the Overton window pushed as far open as possible
i voted for him because my fp at the time told me to lmaooo also diying is better anyways so who cares ^^
>>40939853Yeh, your average conservatard can be reasoned with but their puppetmasters can be some really bad people.
>>40939853>filenameSweetheart I've been in alt-right, WN and libertarian spaces for the last 20 years. I fought the memewar that got Trump elected in 2016. I'm still in their social media silos. You got your entire understanding of "conservatives" from Rachael Maddow and shitty left wing memes. So let's be absolutely fucking clear on this: These are my people, not yours. You have made absolutely clear you want nothing to do with them and would rather they cease existing, so you haven't heard a single thing they've had to say for the last 30 years.
>>40939905Those are the people, you don't understandTheir opinion does not matter, they are the suckers they just need to appeal to more than slightly more than democrats.
>>40939850>anon still thinks the law is anything more than words on paper and not dependent on people acting on good faith to maintain the rule of lawAmusing to open by insulting my intelligence while not understanding a single thing about bedrock legal principles. Not case law, which as we have seen in the past 4 years especially is extraordinarily maleable to a judiciary bent on radical conservatism. >By law the only way to prevent trannies from purchasing guns is to adjudicate them mentally defective I read at least 100x a day on this board about how trannies are universally defective, and if the past 10 years of my browsing this website is any indication, ideas and perspectives posted on here have a funny way of infiltrating into the mainstream. What is stopping some secretary or even the president himself from universally declaring all XY chromosome havers who take erogenous estrogen as being mentally defective? You will argue "oh that's illegal", but so was Trump withholding appropriated funds, or opening concentration camps to illegally detain people without evidence, or any other thing Trump has done which has been ruled illegal by federal courts all over. Of course they'll all get rolled back by the supreme court next year, but the point stands.What institutional barriers prevent the administration from taking unilateral actions against trannies? I don't see anything substantial really, especially when you consider how those institutions are being subverted (if they are uncooperative) or brought more in line with political values (if they are amenable)
>>40939875Yeah and they know it. That's the biggest difference I've noticed between them and you. They absolutely understand their leadership is corrupt. That's what Trumpism was about. Trump was the live grenade they threw at REpublican leadership. You don't don't understand that your leadership is even more corrupt. But what you really don't understand is that the Republican party fears it's base, while the democrat base fears it's party. >>40939922>Their opinion does not matterWRONG!Your opinion does not matter because the Democrat party constitution is SPECIFICALLY AND INTENTIONALLY designed to prevent grass roots activism from taking over the party. The Republican party has no such safeguards. The democrat party tells the democrat base what to believe. The republican base tells the republican party what to believe. If you want to reform america for LGBTQIA+ rights, make the republican party the party of LGBTQIA+. The minute they see their primary vote relies on LGBTQIA+ they'll "evolve" on their positions.
>>40939905Oh you're a useful idiot, not surprising given your posting history. You don't even fucking live here you don't talk to real people every day here, your understanding of our politics and institutions seems to exclusively come from 4chan and Wikipedia. >So let's be absolutely fucking clear on this: These are my people, not yours.Lmfao if you really think you're part of them. They see you as a currently-tolerable useful tool which will be discarded when they no longer see you as useful. You are not part of them because YOU ARE NOT EVEN AMERICAN first and foremost, and a tranny second which makes you suspect in their eyes. One wrong sentence of assertion about your identity and they will toss you from the ship without a moments notice
>>40939945>Amusing to open by insulting my intelligence while not understanding a single thing about bedrock legal principles. Not case law, which as we have seen in the past 4 years especially is extraordinarily maleable to a judiciary bent on radical conservatismIt's easy when you make retarded claims like this. Name a case you think substantiates this claim.You are probably not stupid, but it's clear to me that you are buying into hysterical claims made by commentators that not only don't understand US law but also make money by spreading sensationalized claims.
>>40939977>ad hominemYou addressing my nationality because you can't address my arguments. You're WRONG, it's that simple. Your entire worldview is built on hate for a people you've never met and have never talked to, and if you ever did you'd ad hominem there arguments to avoid listening to them too. And that is why you lose. That is why all of the needles are swinging against your "team" (it's not actually your team btw, you are the actual definition of a useful idiot). You don't listen.
How many trannies voted for Trump?
The aussie is right to an extent, some of the libertarians can be schizophrenically pro-liberty and bigoted at the same time (my old friend is one of those). Unfortunately they often don't get their way and that is what is scary.
>>40940006>Name a case you think substantiates this claim.Dobbs v Jackson Women's Health Organization, Trump v United States (7/1/2024), I mean pretty much anything in the past year decided in the shadow docket.I have a degree in criminal justice, you don't know a thing about bedrock legal principles dating back to English common law and the philosophy of John Locke. I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to a basic understanding of how Law works
>>40940035I think the better question there is how many trannies voted at all? >>40940037It doesn't matter. It's another vote on the other side. It's another primary challenger. Remember the Tea Party? For like 10 years the Tea Party DOMINATED the republican conversation while the blue media cried about it. That happened in the wake of the spectacular failures of the Neocon/evangelical alliance under Bush II. And then when the Tea Party were shown to be a bunch of pro-immigration clowns the republican base blew up the whole thing and nominated Trump for the lulz. Meanwhile Rand Paul is still in the senate, still with his eye on the top job. Seriously, everyone ITT should rewatch The Newsroom to understand exactly how good the blue media is a whipping up hysteria about the latest fad in the republican party.
>>40940008It's not ad hominem lol that's like if you had a high school diploma trying to lecture a molecular biologist about how chemical bonds workYou have no expertise, it's not ad hominem because it's not an insult of your character it's an observation of your lack of lived experienceIt's also incredibly ironic for someone who openly promotes white nationalism and anti semitism to claim someone else bases their political philosophy on hatred. And I do, regularly, converse politics in good faith with conservatives in real life. Usually they walk away with a different perspective on people with liberal leanings.Also absolutely fucking wild that you suggest that Republicans, who have built a significant amount of political momentum on shitting on everything LGBT, will somehow turn around and be our best buds if we just accept them wanting to institutionalize us for existing
>>40938188If you're explicitly adjudicated mentally unwell or if you've been involuntarily committed then sure. Otherwise that's not how that works.>>40939639>>40939655I reappeared at the gun range I used to frequent about one year into transition. They recognized me from before. Things were a little awkward for a while but no one was actively hostile. They even slowly came to sort of accept my transition.Gendered Correctly! by the Reluctant Gun NutsAnd I never even asked.Anyway I'm actually reaching out to rights orgs so if they go through with it we'll see who really has our backs.
>>40939850Good post. I don't think it's just saber rattling to his base. I believe they'll do *something* to try and strip me of my 2A rights. Shooting is my life. I go to the range 1 to 3 times a week and have been doing some comps even. It's how I spend all my free time and money. It's my life. If I lose my 2A right, it would be the most devastating to me.I joined GOA and NAGR today. They were both quick to speak out against this today, and their work with FRTs was fantastic. FPC has said nothing about this today, which speaks volumes to me. I'll never donate to FPC again.Anyways, given that all of his anti-trans EOs have stuck and as have all the recent anti-trans state laws, I think they will get creative. They already decreed that the federal government thinks sex is immutable from birth, so they could loop in something during the NICS background check to check for gender/sex changes on record, which would be linked to your SSN. They could even add a question to the 4473 that asks for birth sex in addition to current legal sex. While these wouldn't be grounds for denial on account of """mental illness""", they could flag you for having an invalid, maybe even illegal, ID. At that point, you not only get the sale denied, they could come after you with some other trumped up charges about ID fraud or something.These people are obsessed with hating trannies and I don't thibk they'll stop at anything until they lose power. Fuck this zionist shabbos goy and every GOP MIGA cuck who's clapping for all this anti-trans hysteria.
>>40940138Ad hominem doesn't mean insult. It means means attack the man, not the argument. You're arguing against who I am, instead of what I'm saying. >You're Australia>You're a nazi>You're a hon>You're a tranny>You're a tripfagSO WHAT?How does that relate to the 2A movement and their relationship to the republican party in the election of 2028? >>40940161I've had exactly the same experience.
>>40940175people are more cool with trannies in practice than in theory, the sad part is so many people never know a tranny so all kinds of wacky stuff can happen
>>40940188That's kinda why I "evolved" my position on the trans day of visibility. As much as I still think the rhetoric surrounding it was unnecessarily aggressive, the underlying principle of showing the world our humanity is a good one. A five minute conversation with a tranny ends transphobia. A five minute conversation with a terf ends feminism. As long as we treat others with kindness and compassion and respect their rights, they'll treat us the same way. And in my experience that leads to the more important conversation of "what rights don't you have" which opens the door to a conversation about the antagonistic relationship between trans people and the medical profession, and boy do they fucking LOVE hating on doctors.
>>40940085>Dobbs v Jackson Women's Health OrganizationI was hoping you would mention that. Read RBGs opinion on Roe v Wade admitting that it was weak argument that could lead to the decision being overturned on the same grounds that it was. Roe was always a weak decision, it's not surprising at all that it was overturned. Do you really believe that the 14th amendment justifies full federal legalization of abortion? And if so, why? And specifically why is it a violation of the due process clause to let states decide the issue for themselves? As to the other, what specifically is your disagreement with the decision?>I have a degree in criminal justiceWow impressive>you don't know a thing about bedrock legal principles dating back to English common law and the philosophy of John Locke.Your point being that law is meaningless because you think the SCOTUS is ideologically captured? I have a good enough handle on anglo legal tradition to understand that not agreeing with a decision doesn't make it illegitimate.
>>40939948>The democrat party tells the democrat base what to believe.The republican base tells the republican party what to believe.>>If you want to reform america for LGBTQIA+ rights, make the republican party the party of LGBTQIA+. The minute they see their primary vote relies on LGBTQIA+ they'll "evolve" on their positions.Actually pretty big brain take desu.>>40940106Another TRVKE, waow.
>>40940226The republicans have to appeal to the religious anti anything sexually unusual base, they would lose too many voters if they became explicitly pro-LGBT. That being said, a lot of republicans try to ride the line and play it as a "libertarian" thing so that combined with an always supportive democratic party is probably why we've gotten so far.
>>40940252maybe women don't want gay men to have freedom of sexual expression and they hide that in "conservatism"
>>40940085>>40940221And let me add, I understand why people get so butthurt about transformative SCOTUS decisions but the actual fault lies with the paralyzed legislative branch for forcing the judiciary to make decisions it shouldn't be making.
>>40940270I used to hate effeminate guys and then I turned out to be a total troon faggot, I think when you see things going to shit its easy to lash out people who choose to be different.
>>40940166I couldn't find either of these statements. Any chance you have a link?
>>40940252>The republicans have to appeal to the religious anti anything sexually unusual baseNo they don't. Santorum didn't get more than 8% in 2016. It was only really Bush II that invited the evangelicals into leadership, and LOT of republicans are still bitter about how that went. Bush I explicitly rejected the idea that evangelicals should play a role in goverment. Granted he lost, but the Bush II experiment didn't exactly go well either.
Dems will sign off on this too, and look the other way. They want less people to have access too
>>40940290Nah there are a lot of people with latent anti-lgbt bias still around. Maybe they can get along with us when we are face to face, but people vote in theory not on what they see.
>>40940301It's also not a majority of elections, I think its just enough to fuck up the elections if they piss them off.
>>40940311*A majority of republicans
>>40940301>2025>still saying LGBT instead of LGBTQIA+It's 4 key presses representing nearly 20 million americans and 200 million people world wide. To put that in context the T represents 1.8 million Americans and 47 million people world wide. And it doesn't matter because because people with latent anti-LGBTQIA+ bias, don't vote on LGBTQIA+ issues. They vote on economics, and culture, and their rights, and etc etc. The number one sentiment I see expressed in alt-right spaces is "tranny fatigue". They're sick of hearing about us. That's it. And we're sick of being used as a distraction from the disaster that is American foreign policy. So we're all actually on the same side. CNN sucks.
>>40940166>They already decreed that the federal government thinks sex is immutable from birthThis is interesting to me because I wonder what the definition of "sex" is by law in this context. >They could even add a question to the 4473 that asks for birth sex in addition to current legal sex.It could be done. I can easily see it struck down on 4th amendment grounds, what legitimate interest does it serve to know the current gender expression of a gun purchaser if sex is immutable from birth?The way the BATF records and understands gender as opposed to sex would be crucial here.>they could flag you for having an invalid, maybe even illegal, ID. At that point, you not only get the sale denied, they could come after you with some other trumped up charges about ID fraud or something.That is the most plausible way a hostile BATF or FFL could obstruct a trans purchaser imo and their wouldn't be much recourse because they could always say "lol just a paperwork error" and it would take a lot of time and money to fix it. >These people are obsessed with hating trannies and I don't thibk they'll stop at anything until they lose power.I really wouldn't lose sleep over it. So far, trans people have the same rights as any other person and remain a protected class in many states. What actual issues exist a la sports, bathrooms etc are all related to how to equitably integrate a new understanding of gender and sex into society. I'd say the demonstrable biggest threat to your gun rights remains antigunners.
>>40940281trannies hate effeminate gays the most, that's why you "transition"
>>40940212I was TERRIFIED of visibility but I broke stealth to talk to people about this stuff and everyone has reacted with more genuine curiosity than anything.The worst thing that's happened to me so far is men then wanting to fuck me because I'm a tranny.Just today I got to describe the experience of updating ID documents as the window to do so closed behind me, and I have no idea how this guy felt about us before but he seemed genuinely sympathetic as I talked to him.It's easy to hate the caricature the media makes of us.
>>40940221>Read RBGs opinion on Roe v Wade admitting that it was weak argument that could lead to the decision being overturned on the same grounds that it was. Roe was always a weak decision, it's not surprising at all that it was overturned.I understand what you're saying and I know the legal reasoning. But I think that people believed the 3 conservative justices who all said they wouldn't overturn previously held case law when asked by congress during confirmation.>Do you really believe that the 14th amendment justifies full federal legalization of abortion? And if so, whyYes, because the 14th amendment being interpreted broadly to ensure the prevention of tyrrany by state by enforcing universal treatment under the law is a good thing. Maybe abortion specifically doesn't deserve federal protection under the 14th, but I will go ahead and invoke the slippery slope fallacy to say that it should. Because if a class of people (women) are allowed to be discriminated against by the states, that does not bode well for other civil rights forged by case law which rested on the 14th amendment. The power of the Civil Rights Act rests almost entirely on the 14th amendment. So if you start scratching out who and what qualifies as a protected class, states WILL keep pushing the boundaries to see how far they can take it. Don't forget: Miranda rights rest ENTIRELY on the 14th amendment's equal protections clause. Do you like Miranda protections? Because I certainly do and I would tremble at the future violations which would be inevitable in the event Miranda gets left in the past.1/2
>>40940402Yeah that again reflects my experiences.In my experience "conservatives" are so used to being lampooned that they're pretty aware that whatever the media is showing them about people they've never met is bullshit. They don't know what the truth is, but it's a known unknown to them. My experience with leftists is a lot of them are really entrenched in their prejudice because they believe they're on the side fighting prejudice. That said I've also met many who don't live up to this stereotype, I certainly felt when I was at uni, when I was still presenting as a bogan (redneck) from the bush, there was a few people who really had the attitude of being happy that I was there because they were concerned that people who live in regional areas weren't getting access to tertiary education. They weren't the majority tho. The majority of leftists I met were people who use politics in lieu of a personality. I think I was maybe a little bit guilty of that too, but I have GD as an excuse.
>>40940221>>409404372/2>Your point being that law is meaningless because you think the SCOTUS is ideologically capturedNo, my point is that an ideologically captured SCOTUS loses an immense amount of both power (they serve at the behest of political winds and not case law, their own interpretation etc) and respect in the eyes of the populace when they make clearly ideological decisions. Law only works when the people who administer it do so in an impartial way, and when the people understand and respect the law. Both of these key tenets have been undermined by ideological capture. Law is words on paper, how we use it is what makes it effective. It's what makes laws in America different from laws in Russia or China or any other anti-liberal authoritarian type government. Faith that the law will be administered equally is absolutely key to ensuring law is respected. I feel like I've said the same thing multiple times but it's sort of that simple. >>>40940277I do agree with this though. I just don't think it justifies the judiciary becoming the left hand of a dictatorial president nor the useful tool of states bent on creating personal fiefdoms determining who gets what were previously held as universal rights
>>40940175>It means means attack the man, not the argument.>You're arguing against who I am, instead of what I'm saying. I'm arguing you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, not that there is something inherently wrong with you therefore your argument is wrong. That being said>You're AustralianMeans you lack an American perspective. You don't actually know what living breathing Americans think because your only access to their thinking is through a (terminally) online lens>You're a naziBeing a nazi and white supremacist means you have clear biases which aren't rooted in fact but cruel prejudices, making your arguments unreliable and warping your perspective to be biased, making many of your arguments weak>You're a hon>You're a tranny>You're a tripfagNone of those things are relevant nor did I bring them up.>How does that relate to the 2A movement and their relationship to the republican party in the election of 2028? My argument is that you don't know what people here think because you have zero meaningful real life interaction with them nor do you have an unbiased perspective on how to interpret their beliefs
>>40940288https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1963703375578407398https://x.com/hannahhill_sc/status/1963708374131843381
>>40940452>>>/pol/514834025Here's a current thread on /pol/ about this. You a retard.
>>40935154if only the system worked
>>40939565of course lol dont worry im under no delusion that these animals have any morals on principles
>>40934991>legallollmao
>>40939553Right-wingers have no principles, words to them are merely a tool to get them whatever they want in the immediate moment and just as quickly disgarded.
>>40940394>what legitimate interest does it serve to know the current gender expression of a gun purchaser if sex is immutable from birth?They added some flavor of "transgender ideology" to their terror list when they decided the recent shooting was a hate crime and the DOJ is openly saying we're mentally ill and dangerous to society.>I really wouldn't lose sleep over it.I definitely will. Like I said, shooting is my life.>So far, trans people have the same rights as any other person and remain a protected class in many states.I literally can't renew my expired passport now unless I sign an affidavit that says I'm trans, and we only got this tentatively due to a Boston court. I don't want to put a big "TRANNY RIGHT HERE!!" sign on me to an admin that's openly hostile and thinking of new ways to strip my rights.>What actual issues exist a la sports, bathrooms etc are all related to how to equitably integrate a new understanding of gender and sex into society.Aaaand my state has a bill making its way to the governor soon that will make it the most draconian bathroom bill in the country, barring me from using the bathroom at even libraries and fucking airports.>I'd say the demonstrable biggest threat to your gun rights remains antigunners.Big disagree. Anytime Dems go after guns, they get hard pushback from Republicans. Hence no major gun control legislature in seemingly ever. But when Trump and friends go after guns (bumpstocks anyone?) they get zero pushback and it's always seen as a worthy sacrifice. "Bumpstocks suck anyways" and "Well yeah of course mentally ill trannies should be allowed to own guns!"
>>40940521>not that there is something inherently wrong with you therefore your argument is wrong.That's ad hominem>Means you lack an American perspective. You don't actually know what living breathing Americans think because your only access to their thinking is through a (terminally) online lensAd hominem. You don't speak to republicans. You're not in their spaces. I am. >Being a nazi and white supremacist means you have clear biases which aren't rooted in fact but cruel prejudicesAd hominem, and untrue. I'm neither a nazi or a white supremacist. But if it were true you'd be able to identify those biases and show how they're creating a fallacious arguement by......and this is the important bit...ADRESSING MY ARGUMENT.Which you are not doing. That's why ad hominem is a fallacy.>My argument is that you don't know what people here think because you have zero meaningful real life interaction Except I do, and I've shown why. You don't. And I've shown that too. You believe in cartoon conservatives that believe in cartoon conservative things. I've demonstrated what they actually believe. You can't handle what I saying so you're trying to erase my right to speak. In reality, the 2A crowd see ANY encroachment on the second ammendment as a slippery slope. They are in absolute lock step on this. They know that taking guns away from trannies because "mental illness" is a short step from taking guns away from veterans for PTSD. They do not trust the government no matter who is in charge, and they will fight for the right to keep and bear arms precisely because they do not trust the government no matter who is in charge. MEANWHILE - in the midst you you being the fucking stereotyp you are, and establishing that you literally can't not ad hominem on every subject ever, you completely ignored the fact that the NRA and the gun lobby doesn't work for gun owners, it works for gun MANUFACTURERS. And gun manufacturers only care about selling as many guns as2000c
>>40940579/pol/ is a bot infested psyop. You're a retard.
>>40940646
*Bait Question*If a bill was proposed in Congress to ban the sale of guns to those with a history of mental illness, how many votes would it get?
>>40934963Good. Bottoms shouldn't own guns. If bottoms want to be protected they should own tops.
>>40941039Define mental illness.>inb4 anything in the DSMVOh, so anyone with claustrophobia or fearacrophobia can't own guns now?
>>40939639emily once again showing he is the most retarded, delusional faggot on the entire board
>>40941039this is already a thing in some places in america
>>40941053depressionsuicidal thoughtsaggressionhatred toward self or othersbecause of HIPA, these types of categorizations are private, even the gubment don have em. But a law could be written where doctors/therapists would need to mark such a thing and it would flag you from a gun purchase.
>>40941101yeh but I have a feeling if anything attrocious were to happen it would have to happen through the executive. Congress is too paralyzed and not really that extreme, they didn't even remove tranny HRT coverage from medicaid in the BBB
>>40941101So you would write a law that pathologizes a handful of feelings, that if expressed to certain non-geovernment officials would strip those people of their rights? Wow, you really thought this one through. Surely that would work out.
>>40935020the democrats have already decided to throw trans people under the bus
>>40940437>enforcing universal treatment under the lawYou can't violate a right that doesn't exist. Roe v Wade invented a constitutional right to abortion on shoddy reasoning. As you said Dobbs was an example of a rogue court, does that still wash to you?>Maybe abortion specifically doesn't deserve federal protection under the 14th, but I will go ahead and invoke the slippery slope fallacy to say that it should.You say that it should be, but based on what? And what text in the constitution or otherwise justifies your interpretation?>>40940456You keep talking about the judiciary being partial and insisting that law is only words on paper, but you are making claims and assertions without legal reasoning. Can't you see that you are doing what you are accusing the nine divines of?>Faith that the law will be administered equally is absolutely key to ensuring law is respected. I feel like I've said the same thing multiple times but it's sort of that simple.As a lawyer I have zero faith that the law will be administered equally without my own intervention. The world still turns and the law still makes sense. Internal consistency is what a legal code requires. The appearance of fairness would be nice, but I assure you it is not so in practice.
>>40940616>I literally can't renew my expired passport now unless I sign an affidavit that says I'm transYou can't renew at all? Or you would have to renew with the sex or gender you left behind? I thought passports used sex still and said nothing about gender. You would think this would be a non issue but it seems to me the system were set up before there was any distinction between the sex and gender.>barring me from using the bathroom at even libraries and fucking airportsAt all? Like I said, society needs time to figure this out. Hysteria changes nothing and misses the forest for the trees. I would calm down or move to a blue state, but if it's anything like my blue state you will have to give up your "assault weapons" and any mag over ten rounds.>Anytime Dems go after guns, they get hard pushback from Republicans. Hence no major gun control legislature in seemingly ever. But when Trump and friends go after guns (bumpstocks anyone?) they get zero pushback and it's always seen as a worthy sacrifice. "Bumpstocks suck anyways" and "Well yeah of course mentally ill trannies should be allowed to own guns!"Well that's a good point, I really don't think it's even vaguely constitutional to ban trans from owning guns and it would be rapidly struck down because it would be so easy to establish standing and go before a sympathetic district court. Despite what many here seem to believe, trans people have equal rights in America and the courts would guard against such an infringement.
ok so is this a rumor or not
>>40941338I've been on HRT for 15 years. You're being quite nonchalant about the prospect that for the first time in my adult life, I'll need to start using a male passport and using the men's restrooms, despite passing 100% in my life. Not everyone is babytrans. Plenty of us have lives and careers and things. If I used a men's room today it would cause problems. Same with travel. It would shock my coworkers. How is any of that acceptable? My trans life was perfectly fine and functional before Trump took office this second time.
>>40941386trueon the other hand, FUCK YOU IN PARTICULAR! :D
>>40941054>heDemocrats showing that they make affirmation conditional upon alleigance. Why don't you go scream the n-word at a few black republicans for a while?
>>40941386>I'll need to start using a male passport and using the men's restrooms, despite passing 100% in my life.The passport says sex right? So it would be a true statement that you are male. Like I said, the government does not understand the issue and the difference between sex and gender and it doesn't understand how to adjudicate the bathroom issue. These issues will not resolve any other way but with time and this pushback is part of how that happens.>How is any of that acceptable? If your passport sex and bathroom is the most important thing on your mind as an extreme minority in society you should consider yourself fortunate and I mean that with all sincerity.
>>40940551Thanks!>>40941338>society needs time to figure this outNTA but society has lost its damn mind. Every bathroom/ID/whatever bill somehow introduces a subtly different definition of sex into law and in theory requires them to try to make me use the restroom they'd definitely throw me out of instead.I changed my IDs because having a man's ID, even with a woman's photo on it, was starting to cause real life problems. I am, in short, not plausibly male.t. quite probably some kind of intersex, definitely not a youngshit>>40941386Exactly this. In theory people think they want me in the men's room but in practice I did that longer than was appropriate and it very clearly weirded them out. That's why I stopped.
>>40941573I'm more concerned that they're obsessed with reverting documents because they know an HRT ban is harder to enforce if you can legally change sex, but you do you.
>>40941621hrt ban would require an act of congress or some crazy executive action, not sure what the plan for that is but they seem more concerned with scoring cheap political points and making trumps various business friends happy
>>40941634like maybe they could try screwing around with the FDA but it would be a high effort clusterfuck that won't make anyone money
>>40941651sort of like the ICE shit, so yeah true these guys are known to blow tons of resources on dumb shit
That’s right trannies. We will strip you of your rights and then we will strip you of your clothes. All of this is so that you will surrender all autonomy and be chud’s personal property.
>>40935209that the romans should've snuffed out christcucks when they had the chance
>>40941735Imagine you peel a hussy out of her clothes and while you're checking her mouth for contraband she starts sucking your thumb.
>>40940106>>40939948meta-politically brain-damaged retard who can't understand manufactured consent.actual autism, you fail to see nuance and the multitudes of perspectives from your every point, such that arguing with every one of them would leave me fatigued from your word-wind fury.>If you want to reform america for LGBTQIA+ rights, make the republican party the party of LGBTQIA+. The minute they see their primary vote relies on LGBTQIA+ they'll "evolve" on their positions.thats not how populism even works you FOOLgay people are not the majority and never will be, much better a strawman than anything actual to engage with, for you should know that the worst of us are what represents the whole of us whenever they engage in 'debate' on the subject of 'transgenderism'
>>40935082>nazis>christian
>>40935201>>40935461>>40935546conservatives are literally trying to keep you safe and this is how you treat them
>>40942024It's true. The second greatest trick the devil evil pulled was having the DNC convince trannies they should hate everything that allows them to thrive, white Western cis men.
>>40942024protecting them by taking away their hormones and force mascing them into hons?
>>40942071Trannies are so dumb it shocks me. They really have no idea. You think if the DNC takes guns away from patriots that that means that there is suddenly going to be no guns? It just means that the DNC controls who gets them.We're taking away your hormones so that only good girls get their pills.
>>40936118childbirth can kill you, you stupid fuck, it also causes immense damage to your body lol
>>40942090chud chasers are weird lol
>>40942093I think the reasonable anti-abortionists are ok with exceptions if that's gonna happen. I can see their point but personally I still disagree with restricting abortion (unless its like super late and you could get the same effect by C-sectioning the baby alive and plugging it with a .22).
>>40942094It's only weird if it doesn't land and there are plenty of retarded ass trannies who are going to read that and think "giwtwm".
>>40942111people on here are fucking weird lol
>>40942120Gotta know your audience.
>>40934991You want an honest answer? There is a clear precedent for preventing gun ownership for people with mental disorders with PTSD and suicidal levels of depression being prime examples. If it can be argued that trans people have the same level of danger then it would be feasible. Looking at trans suicide rates? It wouldn't be hard to argue that the threat level is similar if I am being honest.
>>40942159There is an ancient precedent from banning bottoms from weapon ownership.
>>40942159You need a court order saying your crazy for the gun go bye bye, they couldn't do that to every individual tranny. It would also be difficult as hell to try and get every tranny labelled insane because a lot of them don't have a GD diagnosis. You can just take someones gun rights away if they are prescribed a specific medication?
>>40942120>>40942094>YOURE WEIRDyikes
>>40942181Pretty sure believing you are something you absolutely are not is a break from reality which is literally psychosis.
>>40942090>we're only rounding up the BAD jews
I'm not a 2A or gun nut but damn I'm glad that I already armed myself and have a dad who'll happily buy me more ammo if this ever passes. Fuck this government and fuck every single person who voted for it. I never want to hear "the second amendment exists to fight against governmental oppression" drip out of the lips of anyone ever again after this
>>40939905>I fought the memewar that got Trump elected in 2016holy fucking cringe
>>40942408Not what I said maybe you were quivering and leaking too much to read it properly. We're rounding up ALL of the trannies we're just keeping the good girls.
>>40941573>it's okay for your normal life to turn into a humiliation ritual and continually out yourself and put yourself in constant danger as your rights erodeYou can fuck right off. Either legit retarded or troll. Done talking with you.>>40941621>>40941634>>40941651They "Big Beautiful Bill” banned 'gender-agfirming care" from Medicaid for all ages. Plenty of states now outlaw HRT for any minors now (regardless of insurer) and the SCOTUS said that was okay. If both of these are legal, they are 100% thinking of how to expand this to all adults. It's just a matter of time. Right now, they have over 3 years, at the very least.>>40942159>There is a clear precedent for preventing gun ownership for people with mental disorders with PTSD and suicidal levels of depression being prime examples.No there isn't. Stop talking out of your ass. INDIVIDUALS - not groups - can lose their guns rights only by a court order on a case by cases basis, and even then it's only temporary.
>>40941634They easily could've scored cheap points by just ending 'X' passports, which is what most Trumpers thought they did.Transvestigating every application/renewal/replacement is a bit much.>>40941651Banning SSRIs won't make anyone moneyRestricting vaccines won't make anyone money (or maybe it will when it increases ER demand)Banning anyone from owning guns definitely won't make the gun lobby moneyTariffs could actually induce a recessionI would be significantly less concerned if they appeared to be acting in support of assorted business interests but it's clear they're acting out of pure spite.Even destroying the EPA looks like a pure own the libs move that just happens to be aligned with business interests.>>40942024Keep me safe from what, exactly?>>40942229I'd like to see them try that argument in court with me in particular."DoJ Lawyers Argue Not Even 5' Woman Is a Dangerously Delusional Man"
>>40934963> Sources sayVery believable But when the time comes, it's going to be cool seeing trannies defending the 2 amendment
>>40934991A anti-american terrorist regime of baby fuckers have nothing to do with the law.
>>40944268Even the majority of the right thinks this schizo nonsense is insane. The left has been describing overweight men with overpriced and over-adorned rifles standing in front of buildings as domestic terrorists for too long for that to fly.The Internet is rotting your brain. Go talk to real people.A small minority even turned out to be unhinged enough to do actually heinous shit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh. But we still let white anti-government types own guns.Absolutely guaranteed if trannies lose gun rights you will too.
>>40944433no the right is 50iq retards and they actively fucking vote to kill their own children. they have made it legal to fuck 14 year olds. they are removing vaccines from school participation. they caused the floodings in texas that killed those kids.theyve cut out nearly all the testing for food.they are mentally retarded downies that worship a baby fucking death cult.they are all terrorists and should be put forward for genocide and executed at a human rights tribunal for the atrocities they are putting against all human kind.
>>40944535You may be right but man if the powers that be think they'll let you them guns I encourage them to test that assumption at their earliest convenience.I had a family member die and another become incapacitated so some people I'd never met helped us get a bunch of necessary things done.I'd never met them but they knew I was trans because they knew my brother and I wasn't sneaking that one by them.Their house was absolutely full of weird Trump cultist shit. Mike Lindell books EVERYWHERE. "Trump's Unfinished Business" in the hallway leading to the bathroom. Newsmax with breakfast.They occasionally accidentally deadnamed me but it was infrequent. They were respectful about asking whether I'd changed my legal name yet, which was important because there were important legal things to do.They even talked about my transition with their teenage grandson.They fell for a con. I actually feel bad for them.They'd suddenly become very religious too.Thought they needed Jesus to save them from the tracking chips in the vaccines they got before they knew.They even invited me to their Bible study group!Maybe it was a long game to detransition me but I don't think so.Consider not assuming all of them are the enemy.
>>40935006I do
>>40944685no they all areanyone that believes in god instead of themselves acting as if they were god and being kind and loving and compassionate themselves is evil by living under someone else's rule. the moment those principles change is the moment their beliefs change with it.that family might be kind at that point or just trying to earn brownie points in the eye of their god, but theyre doubly dangerous as they have fallen for the lies of two cults
>>40939639>>40939605>>40939565>No they will not.>Straight away that SCREAMS "slippery slope"Emily is correct. 2A people are intimately familiar with the government playbook when it comes to denying rights, they aren't fooled even if they hate trannies. Trans people could learn a lot from 2A advocates because they have been fighting against courts that actually don't give a fuck about the law, precedent, or SCOTUS rulings for decades now. >https://youtu.be/6CNb5OQWUmU?feature=sharedThis is a gun law YouTube channel. Read the comments.
>>40934963if you vote in general you deserve this, all parties lead to the jews
>>40945633comment section is hopefuel, thanks for posting anon
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>>40946065based
>>40946126And in case that statement seemed too mealy mouthed as not to actually mention trans people:
>>40945633>>40946065>>40946150I did not expect this at all and I'm genuinely thrilled to be wrong about the 2nd amendment enthusiast community.OK which org deserves some of my money?
>>40946065say it with me /lgbt/THANKS RIGHT WINGERS!
>>40947559>>40946065>Watch me get progressives to support gun ownership
>>40946065>>40946150Look Emily was right
