That's literally it. This is the question. I'm a transgender man and I don't know if gay dudes would actually like me in the same way I like them.Though honestly I kind of doubt it, being a transgender man sucks sometimes because most time whilst trying to find a relationship it's always just a guy wanting to fetishize you. I've been getting desperate at this point, all I want is an actual relationship.
>>40939224you don't want to date the gay dudes that like you
>>40939224Gay men are sexually attracted to trans men who can pass as cis men. I met my husband and made sure we connected first as cis men, then when I decided I actually wanted to bang him I fished for if he could handle T dick or not, when I determined it wasn't a dealbreaker I let him know my situation, we banged and have been together ever since
>>40939263I'm not a woman dressing like a man. I just used to be a woman because I was born as one, it was completely out of my control. I'm not sure if you're transphobic towards transmascs or not but seriously just stop.
Why not trying your luck with women?
As a BI man I think it's possible for sureI've found some trans men attractive for their masculinity especially if they're hairy and a bit chubb
>>40939314I'm not attracted to women, I've always been attracted to men.
>>40939316So do you see trans men as male?
>>40939324Then why make yourself unappealing to them?
>>40939338Listen, there's a huge difference between being a transgender man, and being a woman. I USED to be a woman, I live my life as a man. Cisgender women life their lives as women. You're either completely stupid or confused.
>>40939355Wdym?/gen
>>40939347That's hard to sayI definitely want to and I feel like I could but I definitely need to talk to more trans men first
>>40939412Dude, seriously. Just stop calling me a woman, if I'm not misgendering you then why are you doing it to me? I wasn't being rude, I was just asking a question in the first place. I'm not a woman, I was one at a point but I no longer am.
>>40939464have you ever been on 4chan before
>>40939380Someone who looks like a pubescent soi with a beard and a vagina scares away those who like penis and those who like the female form by almost an equal measure.
>>40939404Y'know what? Fair, I pat you on the back for being sincere with me when you don't stand to benefit from it. I hope you run into people who are that honest with you. It's easy for me to see trans men as male since I am one and was one of those boy since birth, everyone accepted me, and medically transitioned successfully as soon as possible cases. When I was young the images circulating of trans men were as masculine as possible, because the novelty was look how dramatic of a change someone can make to their body, but now most representation is saturated with men who look like women as much as possible because modern novelty is look how much someone can look like a woman and still insist they are maleIn a world that's vitriocally transphobic just the willingness to see past the mockery and attempt to understand our existence as sincere is appreciated
>>40939504What's a soi?/gen
>>40939531I never said that Gay men have to sleep with people they don't want to. It's fine if a gay man doesn't like me since I have a vulva, I don't really care. What I am looking for is a gay man who would be interested in me regardless of my genitalia and birth gender, a genuine relationship is what I want where it doesn't matter what I have between my legs.
>>40939525Someone who looks like a living soijak
>>40939562Just as you have your preferences and requirements, most gay men do too; in this case, a penis. So you can't simply ask someone to love you "no matter what's between your legs," because you don't do that either. Unfortunately, very few men who don't have a fetish or some other mental issue will want you. So if you're really desperate but don't want to detransition, you can try adopting a middle-of-the-road look that allows you to feel more or less comfortable while not being disgusting to other men, something more tomboiysh or butchesque
I'm currently with a FtM but i am bisexualI just hate women
Been together with my boyfriend (ftm) for almost 5 years and I'm planning on buying a ring soon. Lots of communication and lots of love. Never known or thought of him as anything other than a man.also sex is peak
>>40939942But are you gay?
>>40939525this has to be larp lmaooo
>>40939562You have to stop engaging with the trolls.
>>40939525please leave this website. itll be good for you. and i mean this genuinely
>>40939989You're right and I hope he listens to you
>>40939224just date a bi chaser poonbro it's not worth it real gays don't want us
>>40939380>/gen
>>40939224A quick look at this board shows a disproportionate number of straight men that are only “gay” for pooners saying the magic words to keep you around while plotting to forcibly impregnate and detrans you. Tbh if you haven’t had a hysto dating a cis man at all is playing with fire.
>>40939496You're not a gay man. You're a straight woman pretending to be gay for clout and internet TERF points.
Yes I would love to cuddle an ftm.
>>40939224No they All Veiw pooners as WomenEspecially the Ones That say they dont. Smart chasers Grift For more pussy. But its A Lie at the End Of the Day.
>>40940002you type like the navy seals copypasta bro. this is embarrassing
>>40940828holy shit now that you've said that I can't unsee it, the brainworms did him dirty
>>40939224idk if this is a troll but turn back now dude. this board sucks for ftms, i can tell youre either young or tumblry by your mannerisms and assumptions everyone here jokes about rape and racism and 70% of discussion about trans men is about how theyre actually all stupid women specially if theyre gay trans men. to answer your question its possible but the reality is that when you tell someone youre trans they are most likely to inmediately try to imagine you as a woman and it sometimes sticks as the way they see you for life. being trans is a nightmare when it comes to dating so all advice i can give you is guys are able to lie to you and tell you they see you as men and you need to try to tell them apart from the ones who genuinely like you as a guy. good luck.
>>40939371you sound like an exasperatingly obnoxious tiktok pooner and i am willing to bet testosterone has never touched your body, and if it has then it's completely useless in your case
>>40939525get off this board bro this place is not for you. you need thicker skin.
>>40939224I'm bi and I am attracted to the same sort of poonies as I am cis boys.
>>40941117So, women ?
>>40939338Motte and bailey
>>40941142Yes but the irony of pooners is that the most malebrained thing an effeminate small dicked manlet can do is develop a MEF fetish and become a femboy, so the real valid FtMs are those ones.
>>40939224I would not want a gay man as an ftm. All gay men who approach me want me to get pregnant.I don't have culturally anything common with gay men. Id rather date a bisexual.
>>40939308Your the one being homophobic and trying to invade homosexual safe spaces ugh. I can’t stand people with such low self-awareness… cringeeee
>>40939868Nothing about this is true.. Don't listen to this guy cause he has no idea what it is to live as trans. Never detrans. I have not been a single for longer than few days ever since I transitioned. Men love me :3>t.ftm
>>40939478The answer is obviously noOp is a thin skinned bitch who has a lot of growing up to do
>>40941552Homosexual safe space = dark rooms and other deviant std rave holes, circle jerk masturbation gangDon't worry, you can keep them
>>40939978I think it’s a child idk how they discovered this place but they need to leave
>>40939970They didn’t answer hehe
>>40940828I thought he sounded cool. Navy seal copypasta is an icon. New copypasta???
>>40941641New copypasta
>>40939224No because you are a woman lol go back to posting yaoi on twitter
>>40939224Why are you going after gay dudes if youre female
>>40942187Cause he's not a female didn't you read the thread?
>>40942201my mistake he’s a real gay boi
I love passing poons>t.gay
I'm not a gay man but I have many friends who are.I'd say that only about like... 20% of gay men would have being trans as a hard exclusion criteria. You will definitely have to work harder than most men to fit the beauty standards for gay men tho. But if you hit them, your options should be pretty broad. Lift, be like that one tiktok/onlyfans twink Noah. Get big, most men will not care and a certain % will be REALLY excited to be with a boy with your anatomy. If you like bottoming you're on gravy lane and will have basically free success with circuit gay so long as you're built.
>>40942764oh also you probably won't have any luck at all before top surgery with anyone other than chasers so get that immediately if you haven't already
>>40939224Yes. But only if you look like a man. Though most guys might not want anything to do with your cooch >t. ex gay guy
ftms are only attractive when they pass as cute teen twinks
>>40939224ew, lady parts. no stinky vagina for me thx.
>>40939371you don't even pass. if you have wide hips, you'll never pass.
>>40942781They always look male to me (I can only see in 2d)
>>40939224do you like your pussy eaten
>>40942784Thats how most of them pass.
Sexual orientation has more to do with genitals than people give it credit. Especially for men. So I doubt it. Like all the straight chasers willing to fuck an FTM for having a pussy, gay men are the opposite. They will specifically lose attraction because of that pussy. You can blur the lines a bit romantically as that's not genital related, but sex by and large is genital related. So gay men might accept you as a male, but they'll specifically avoid sex with you because you lack the primary attribute of why they have sex with men. If you truly want to fuck gay men, your only hope is to claim the men who you fuck you are gay. But then that's just what you're telling yourself, not what they are telling themselves, which you can never change.
>>40943038I personally know two hard g g a y men who have a kink for trans men since they view them as natural-born bottoms who magically never have to clean out
>>40943092Whatever novelties they use to justify the fact they're cool with pussy doesn't change that they are sexually attracted to it. Thus, bi.
>>40939224No gay men don't like FTMs and lesbians don't like MTFs. Not really that hard to understand is it? You're the opposite of what they want.As an FTM you'd literally have more luck dating lesbians than gay men and I know quite a few FTMs doing exactly that.Don't know why this stuff is so hard for some of you people to understand.
>>40943137>Spergfaggotry means im heckin RIGHT!!!
>>40943138You are wrong!!!!
>>40942764>>40942769That's basically it, only worthwhile reply in this thread, most gay men want to eventually bottom, and most want the real dick with aids and not a dildo, but past that its just about being good looking and passing well>>40939224>most time whilst trying to find a relationship it's always just a guy wanting to fetishize youYou need to be more specific here, if mean most of the time guys there are down to fuck you only see you as a sex novelty but woudn't want to have a relationship with you? this tends to be true even for cis gays though lmao
gay men are generally more polite than dykes, but i can assure you the vast majority of gay men would not be into a ftm why buy diet coke when you can get the real thing?
>>40939224I am a gay man who fell in love with a stealth FtM and kept loving him (and finding him extremely attractive) after finding out. Not a chaser. Never been interested in FtMs otherwise. Probably the most intense crush of my entire fucking life honestly. And I am a misogynistSo yes there is hope.
>>40944289>gay men are generally more polite than dykes.Why you lie? Its the opposite
>>40939224>Do gay guys actually like ftm's?nogay men like males>but le female to male, see its in the nameyou will never be a male
>>40939308>but seriously just stop.take your own advice.hopefully you havent destroyed your body yet
>>40939371>. I USED to be a womantrue but you are and always will be a female.
>>40939371oh btw you type like a woman
>>40945388>>40945404>>40945409anons are stinky today
>>40945419Thats sexy
>>40945422all me btw
>>40945422Its the same gaycel hag imo
>>40945435STINKY
thumbnail is cute
>>40945443not as stinky as foid gash
>>40945575you are just a little bit stinky
Not really no. I like dicks. If we dated I'd probably want some dick on the side
>>40945575My pussy smells like heaven :3
>>40945691This is why its better to date straight and bi men poons. Also you are less likely to get stds from them
>>40941152Similar claims that capture the general gist of the points being made are not the same as a motte and bailey. Both the motte and the bailey, in this case, share meaningfully relevant properties; that is, that gay guys don't want anything sexually to do with ftms because ftms aren't what they are attracted to.
>>40939224FTMs are hot imo, but I really do not like pussy even a little bit. If I were to do anything with an FTM I wouldn’t want to interact with his genitals at all (strap on only) which is just selfish. Not to mention that my distaste for his genitals would probably make him super dysphoric. I don’t think I could do it in good conscience. Even just telling someone this would be super hurtful. I would never admit this anywhere but here.
>>40939224>it's always just a guy wanting to fetishize youPeople are nothing but fetishes to begin with. When you stop being so naive you notice that you really don't have a choice what role you have. Women are only objects to men. Men are only objects to women.You'll always be a feminine person compared to the cis men you're around, no matter what. So in the eyes of men and women, by the rules established by women themselves even, that means it will always be your role to be the one being penetrated, act submissive, act weak, and degrade yourself and display inferiority. And that's not "fetishize" that's just the fucking law in the community. So fucking grow up and accept that.
>>40946117As a trans man it makes me happy that you hate my genitals and would never want anything to do with them and would want me to use some kind of prosthetic sexually. Thank you for sharing that, it means a lot to me that you can see me the way I see myself. Hope you have the best day
>>40946303>by the rules established by women themselves evenI am not a woman so I don't care
>>40946488Well I'm not
>>40946010>still motte and baileysholy shit
yeah i think ftms are cooli'm a bottom though so i'm not sure if a relationship would be viable. ftms are mostly all bottoms too right?
Pooners are rapemeat
>>40946555Grow a tumor (benign)
>>40939224lmao, no.
>>40939224When someone fucks you it will be because they wanted a vagina, not because they saw you as a man
>>40939298This is an exception rather than the rule. Gay men are attracted to masculine bodies, behaviors, hormones and attitudes. Looking like a man often isn't enough, you have to have been born an actual man.>>40939224The short answer is no, OP. Straight men would be attracted to you because you're a chick, at least if you hadn't mutilated yourself to look like a guy. I'm not really sure where that leaves you - probably in the same loveless barren wasteland between sexes as most of T. Men won't love you because you don't look like a woman, women won't love you because you're not a man, gays won't love you because you're not a man... its not great on prospects.
>>40946771I have a masculine body, behavior, hormones and attitude, and was born an actual guy. Being trans isn't a costume or larp, I'm male. Gay cis men are sexually attracted to trans men who pass as hot cis men, and some gay men are willing to sleep with trans men even though they have a T dick instead of a cis dick
>>40946504>ftms are mostly all bottoms too right?They don't have a choice, do they?
>>40946968>you can only claim (..) online since nobody can prove otherwiseThis is true of every statement in this thread
>>40946872Only the ugliest and most degenerate bisexual men you'll ever meet will like you. Gay pretty boys and chads don't need or want people in your condition.
>>40946968It's very out of touch too. Because any cis man in this person's shoes would only be seen as a woman too lol
>>40939224I'm bi and I like androgynous women that look like emo guys.
>>40947028
FtM are such silly things. Imagine a 5'4" creature walks into the gym bathroom and greets you, complaining about how long it took you to use the machines, and you just overpower him and make him carry your babies in his womb lol
>>40946931they can't work a strap or something?
>>40947028bros talking to himself
>>40939224it depends a lot, if a guy is gay because of sexual desire, you're out of luck, if it's a bisexual guy or someone who doesn't really care about sex in a relationship, you'll probably be fine.
>>40946504>>40946931Plenty of gay ftms top, I don't know how you could think otherwise considering the massive market of straps specifically made for ftms
>>40940843All of this. Decent guys who like you exist but you're going to have to sift through a lot of shit before you find them. Also it would do you good to stop being so hyperfocused on getting a cis GAY man to fuck you. So many gay ftms do this and I get that its a validation thing, but excluding bisexual men from your dating pool is honestly shooting yourself in the foot when youre trans.
>>40942936Only when they are like 18-21 and only if they haven't blasted T for too long. Ftms always age into something horrific
>>40947928Yeah. As a trans person you gotta accept reality and deal with what you got. The gay gold star lifestyle is not for you. But your life isn’t over. Find other ways to enjoy it
>>40946872>I'm a surgeon!
>>40948843i never watched the show but wasn't he actually a surgeon
>>40947028Good thing I love degenerates
>>40939224Short answer? Yes I doLong answer? I do if we share similar interests and you're cool.
>>40948884At that point they were a pathologist.
>>40947841>considering the massive market of straps specifically made for ftmsim sure a lot of people assume straight ftms use those mostly
>>40939224I'm bi and I like FTM boys. I remember a I had times where a FTM twunk hit on me twice
>>40948063Ftms don't age. Neoteny keeps them looking young forever
Why do FtMs get so fucking mad and insinuate you're this or that when you tell them that you see them as men, but you like biocock capable of shooting sperm and the lack of that is a dealbreaker?I'm on E and if a straight guy told me "uhhh sorry I really want a vagina" I'd be like "ok" and move on. There's no shortage of them and you can't change your sexuality. Some people care about genitals and I feel like that's reasonable since that's what most people use to have sex?
>>40952432having a cock is more important to being a man than having a vagina is to a woman so they need the extra validation
>>40939224no, but bi dudes do
>>40952448Mtf cope. You cannot be a women with a penis but you can always be breedable twink with a vagina.>>40952432Most troons get angry when you say to them that their penis makes them disgusting so i dunno. Maybe people don't like to be judged by their genitals
>>40946117Tbdesu i'd maybe be fine being a stone top. No sucking my tdick though would be disappointing
>>40952694 >Most troons get angry when you say to them that their penis makes them disgusting so i dunno. Maybe people don't like to be judged by their genitals It's hardly a judgement to say "not interested" and most people would think it's understandable? Would a cishet man be offended a lesbian didn't want to fuck him because he had a dick? (If yes, that's on him! He's not entitled to sex from anyone!) Would a straight trans woman be offended a cis woman didn't want to fuck him because he had a dick? It's the same thing! Having a vagina (or even a non-bio-dick) as an FtM is the same thing, you're not morally righteous for it, you're just up your own ass. Nobody owes you shit and it's ok for someone to not want to fuck you purely because of your genitals. Thinking "most people are agnostic to genitals" because you are is super femalebrained and shows poor theory of mind and entitlement (malebrained).
>>40946771>masculine behaviors and attitudes.Most ftms don’t have this. It’s so annoying the “safe space” crap most trans people are coming from you get the weakest pussyshit men that don’t know how to talk to other men.
>>40942769EEEWTHE FUCKING SAUSAGE?NOFUCKING POONSJESUS CHRIST
>>40953126Cis het men are often very offended of ledbians not wanting them. They even rape lesbians to "correct" their sexuality.You have no idea what you are talking about
>>40955316>Cis het men are often very offended of ledbians not wanting them.That's my point! Those who are offended are misogynistic and entitled and that offense shouldn't be dignified! If you're acting like someone else is in the wrong for not wanting to sleep with you, you're basically in the same boat.>But men rape lesbians!Sometimes, a lot of the time they don't. They're akin to the ones who don't. Still kind of shitty people!
I'm gonna lay it out straightA lot of us gays will tell you nice things you want to hear because we are usually very empathic for women especially but trust me when I say we are not big on pussy. We'll see you through that lens always. Anybody who says anything else is fucking lying or not gay
>>40955651i have a cis gay friend who has a tboy bf
>>40939224some of them dont care, my bf liked me before he knew i was trans but it didnt bother him at all when i told him i was trans
>>40956489I wonder why...
>>40956489me too but my bf left me after being on t for 6 months
You need to go t4t forever./thread
>>40953126>UUUUUMMMMM YOU'RE FEMALE BRAINED WHICH MEANS YOU'RE BAD BUT ALSO MALE BRAINED WHICH IS ALSO BADThis board is total fucking brainrot
>>40955383>>40955316I would never say the two are the same, at the end of the day we settle on saying that only AMAB have the right to feel attraction to people, despite whatever performative outrage you put out over it. Like you still have this expectation that everything should fit into these male gaze boxes despite all of your posturing.I know better by now that men seeing two lesbians and getting upset over it isn't entirely a selfish horny thing. Especially considering all of the cases where it's a male bottom or an MTF bottom or whatever. A lot of times it's about the wider social roles and stereotypes that are expected. Like seeing it as basically two bottoms in need of a REAL masculine presence, which is why a lot of times you see them talking about. They'll have no part in it, but still disapprove heavily of gay male relationships that are masc x masc or fem x fem. And even kicking other gays out of the club for being into FTMs to maintain that order. Maybe you believe in this sort of thing yourself even.
>>40957853You're the only one saying it was bad. I just said it WAS.
>>40952694>Maybe people don't like to be judged by their genitalsYea, it's definitely not considered acceptable in a straight couple where the guy says he's grossed out by her labia and says she's too fat. I think it's a more normalized in male culture to shame others bodies, even their own partners.
>>40939224i'm intersex, i was born with ambiguous genitalia and raised female until i hit puberty at twelve and developed male. i'm muscular with XY chromosomes, an extremely deep voice, penis and testicles with a bifid scrotum and severe hypospadias, a flat chest, sparse but distinct body hair, there is no ambiguity in my appearance other than my genitalia which by now has changed from looking ambiguous leaning female to male with a defect that looks female to some peoplei get rejected by most completely gay men for both hookups and relationships even though i'm male in all the consensus ways, because i'm not male *enough*it doesn't matter why you're not male enough, if you don't meet a guy's standard of masculinity/maleness you are permanently excluded from their definition of who's an option for sex and dating. you were born female and no amount of surgeries and hormones can make you into enough of a man to count as fuckable for pure gay men, whether it's being trans or having reproductive developmental errors or being a flamer there is a bar to clear for most gay men in order to "count"you need to accept this and date/hook up people who actually want to fuck you and stop obsessing over their identity label
>>40953978retard
>>40959010:( im intersex too and I just have no idea how to articulate to people. I wish someone would understand..
>>40939224op, if you do not understand this image, go back.
>>40959023>you need to accept this and date/hook up people who actually want to fuck you and stop obsessing over their identity labelAs our culture is now, there is such a huge emphasis on fitting into labels above all else. So it kind of sucks seeing all these people who are just never really accounted for in that framework.
>>40959630so ftms should just go on tinder and match with straight men who want to impregnate them because thats who will fuck them?
Worst of both worlds, would rather fuck a cute guy or girl>t. Bifag, formerly chaser till I started reading up on all the horror stories
>>40959803do you think that's worse than begging for sexual attention and constantly getting rejected?
>>40939224Ew. No.
>>40943138This. More lesbians date pooners than gay men would ever.
>>40946480You will always be a woman no matter how much testosterone you take
>>40947841Ugh, being topped by a foid
>why wont gay men date womenthe funny part is women have been pressuring gay men to be with them since ever, this is just a new tactic that paints you as a "transphobic" villain if you doubt their narrativewomen are DEEPLY offended by men being able to escape their sexual control
>>40952432They get mad because they know no one will ever take them seriously as men
>>40953952Every single ftm I've ever seen in real life walks, talks, and moves like a woman. Bar none.
>>40955662He knows he's not dating a man tho
>>40959803Yes.
>>40959803You will be impregnated and you will be happy
>>40939224Ftms are the worst of all options.
>>40960768pooners are the evolution of fag hags who think they can wear down their gay best friend into fucking them>>40960784they're even more feminine than regular cis women it's crazy
>>40960831there's no evolution its just homophobic women who don't want gay men allowed to date other men, same thing that's been happening and still happens
>>40959023i just don't bother, some people will never see me as a real man because i was born or do see me as a man but not one that they're capable of having sex with and that's fine. i can't control them and i don't want to
>real man is when gay men repress and marry you instead of an actual man
>>40960838no one is forcing you to fuck pooners bro
>>40961182sure just like nobody is forcing gay men to stay in the closet, they just face social ruin by coming out
>>40958193Men hating big labia is so funny. Its grows because of high estrogen. Roastbeef pussy is high estrogen, feminine pussy. Trans men on t get innie pussies cause t shrinks it back. Post menopause women get innie pussies cause lack of estrogen shrinks it back.
>>40939224NoNext question. Might as well ask if straight guys like trannies
>>40960708I have never been denied sex from those I am attracted to. I dunno why non ftms always post doom shit like this when reality is that you will have men banging your door to have sex with you if are an ftm. Is it jealous cope? Pretty sure it is. Being a boy with a pussy is fun.
>>40961998yeah this i haven't been rejected by any guy i've been interested gay straight or otherwise
>>40960882Whats the point of "repressing" and marrying a trans man. People will just see you two as a gay couple. Gay men are so stupid. Keep writing that erotic poon fanfiction, buddy
>>40960751Wrong
I don’t understand. Why gaydens seek out and want to fit in amongst gay men specifically?Have you seen gay men? They’re the most unchaste demographic.Even if I was attracted to men I’d at least feel a little ashamed and associate with bisexuality instead.
>>40962321They don't really seek gays imo. Gaydens are fine with t4t. Men into ftms are usually weirdly pedophilic and something to be cautious with
>>40961189nobody cares about fags anymore. you can exist freely granted you arent a huge annoying flamer. you can also easily find other cis men to have sex with and easily ignore the pooners trying to "force you straight"
I like gaydens but I'm a bi guy who exclusively tops. I think most pure faggots won't want a ftm because true homos only really care about dick in their butt. Everything else is secondary in my expirence. Hierarchy of needs and all that.
Just be handsome lol
