FFS is extraordinarily limited and ineffective because it changes only 7%, to 10% of your face, at best. That is not enough. The rest of your face and head will look masculine. The facial bones will stay the same and will clock you faster than ever. The cranial vault in trannies is taller, wider, squarer, and less projected from the profile (think of plagiocephaly). This means that even if trannies had the same cranial capacity of women (and they don't, as trannies have bigger brains), the overall shape would be different. Until they figure out a way to implant your brain in another body or to melt your entire face and redo it from scratch, FFS won't do shit. You're fucked. Trannies act like FFS will grant them stealth privilege. Little do they know. Look at Lilly Tino. A fag told me the other day that you can just burr the bone of the braincase, and this is truly stupid and demented because look at how thin the bone is. This is an MRI sagittal slice of a tranny. The bone is super thin. If the bone were thick, it would be easy to fix it. You would burr it and call it a day. The problem is that the bone is super thin but it's just the shape and the expansion that are different.
>>40940907You're making up an argument based on a flawed understanding of what matters. The MRI part of your argument makes it sound like you're in highschool.
>>40940907I'd kill to be 7% to 10% more feminine facewise, it's a matter of perspective. Also were do you even get those stats from?
>>40940955Come on anon you know where OP got the stats and all the scientific studies on. Didn't you read the latest MRI study about Lilly Tino?
>>40940938The MRI is to show how thin the bone is. Are you stupid? Look at how thin the bone is and tell me if you can make it thinner. It wouldn't change the brain matter.
>>40940955I'm a physical anthropologist, I know what I'm talking about. It's quantifiable. If you look at the parts that FFS can change, it's probably even less than 7% of the total face.
>>40941003No, you're stupid. You killed a thread with your insane levels of Dunning-Kruger. Nobody ever said the skull was thick moron, but you needed an MRI to state the obvious which doesn't impact the procedure.>>40940955It's in the journal of Shit OP Made The Fuck Up.
>>40940969you're a fag in denial, desperately trying to cope
>>40941041No, you fucking piece of shit, on the other thread, everybody was recommending Eppley because he burrs the bone. Kill yourself, fag, take Dunning-Kruger and stick it up your shitty ass.
>>40941050The thing you're referencing even explains why you're wrong. Don't larp as if you're educated, it never goes well.
>>40941060My guy you needed to post an MRI to seethe at trannies or you thought people wouldn't take you seriously. It kind of back-fired, god damn the Dunning-Kruger hit a nerve.
>>40941061how the fuck is it wrong, you retarded piece of shit? Can't you fucking read? You autogynephilic freak?
>>40941077It even implies it in the next sentence you illiterate retard. Now you're spiraling.
>>40941091no, you freak, you are retarded. It says that FFS is intended to mimic a female face, but the overall size of the skull is different. You're a shit-eating autogynephilic autistic freak who is butthurt because hs is hoping FFS will make him less ugly.
You use bands to hide your brow and that's like 30% of the skull.
>>40941127doesn't work like that. The facial planes below the band are still expanded. The brow is the least of your concerns. The browbone is easy to fix.
>>40941141
>>409412351) She looks more feminine than her before photo, but not feminine enough to pass as a woman. 2) In real life, niggers and wetbacks would clock her. 3) Her nose is horribly botched. >>40941235
>>40941021I don't care how educated you're it doesn't make the fact that you're rationalizing your dysphoria any less true
>>409409077-10% is a huge change lol. thats an order of magnitude. i mean beyond the fact that this is a made up stat.
bone law
The difference between what men and women look like is far less than 10% of skull volume. There are many, many cases of FFS that you can just like... google and look at this second to prove this argument wrong. Doomposting only worked in 2012 when there were no successful transition examples, now you're clearly just malding bc you're poor and can't afford it and want to sour grapes everyone else.
>>40942569you rarely see candid videos of post-ffs peoplejust angled single photosirl ffs people just look uncanny - not male or female - just like an alien t. has seen ffsies in the wild
>>40940907lol why would i care? i wouldnt need to change 100% of my skull even if that was possible. i only want my face to appear female, so that people can look at me and be able to tell without a doubt that i'm a woman, and ffs succeeds at that, at least sometimes. seriously idgaf if my mri passes, fixing your entire skull would be as stupid as fixing your fingers to have a more female digit ratio
>>40942579men can't appear female, just say delusional things online since nobody can see their male appearance through a screen
>>40942573The only people who you have seen who you know have had FFS are people who had FFS that didn't result in them passing. I've had FFS and I'm stealth even in queer spaces. Nobody knows or needs to know. Good surgeons do good work, and most people who get good FFS go stealth.
>>40942583>im stealthanyone can say they look female on 4chanit means nothingyou just look insane
>>40942581sure they do bc irl no one analyzes you face and skull from every single angle like that. otherwise how would you explain that there are thousands of trans women living full stealth?
>>40942591>explain that there are thousands of trans women living full stealth?its just you saying things online that are not true and aren't proved in any evidentiary mannerif there's all these stealth trans women why not have them in a lineup, irl, with cis women and see if other cis women can tell apart the trans women from the cis women?
>>40940907my unpopular opinion is that unless you pass before FFS, you won't pass after FFS. At most I consider all FFS to be beautification procedures. Theres so much more to passing than a few mm of facial bone here and there
>>40942601nobody passes before ffs
>>40942589that's ok, I don't really care what a completely anonymous faceless person thinks about how I come across. I don't need to prove anything to you, it doesn't change how true my statement is. Good luck on the self-love journey!
>>40942604have you heard of youngshits and luckshits? they're rare but they exist. i happen to know a few
>>40942614they don't exist and you aren't trying at all to prove they existinb4 anglefraud single photos
>>40942595>if there's all these stealth trans women why not have them in a lineup, irl, with cis women and see if other cis women can tell apart the trans women from the cis women?because the entire premise of going stealth relies on the fact that such hypotheticals are only hypothetical and things like that never happen. irl women are not constantly trying to clock each other as trannies, only internet people have these weird obsessions. also, even if people know that you are a tranny, they would still treat you better if you cispass than if you dont. also, normies are pretty bad at transvestigating, they always seem to fixate at some weird and not that much conclusive features like adams apples
>>40942595>if there's all these stealth trans women why not have them in a lineup, irl, with cis women and see if other cis women can tell apart the trans women from the cis women?Yeah this is called "going to the bathroom in a club/bar/fraternity" and plenty of women do both/either
>>40942621I mean like in a formal clinical study. Trans people would be taken much more seriously if they proved passing is real irl...
>>40942623What are you talking about? I prove that passing is real by going outside every single day.Do you really need a clinical study to affirm the fact that it's possible to live your life happily? The current #1 model in the entire world is transgender. Thousands of trans women can attest to the fact that passing is real. The fact that trans women EVER get beat up for "tricking" men is proof that passing is real.Literally just do voice training and go outside and when you can afford it or coerce your insurance into paying for it get ffs and then never think about being trans a day in your life ever again
>>40942643Jesus is real because we believe in Him :^)
>>40942678Prove that you exist.Do it. right now. Prove that you exist. Prove that the world isn't a simulation. Prove that yesterday happened.Nobody can ever "prove" that their life experiences happened. But the reality is that I haven't posted on this hellsite in months, every single day I live my life as a normal woman and in a few days I won't even remember posting here because being transgender is not relevant to my life because I pass. You can continue to spin your wheels and convince yourself that happiness isn't real and that nobody will ever accept you instead of doing what's necessary to be happy and accepted. You're also free to shoot yourself in the lung. I wouldn't recommend doing either of those things.
>>40942691I think we are in a simulation and having weirdo "men who insist they are women" things is a part of it. I'm real and you are a psyop to drive me insane. But it won't work. I'm too strong.
>>40942696Congrats on getting me to spit wine all over my keyboard
>>40941235Now show the side profile >>40940907You’re 100% right it’s called facial feminization surgery not skull feminization surgery. Ffs can give you the ever so coveted v-shaped jawline just like your favorite waifu, but it can never make your side profile pass. Good thing most trannies get dysphoria from looking in a mirror only. If they ever saw their side profile irl they would instantly seppuku.
also this is how op sees males and females
>>40941235Her eye area became very feminine. it is only browbone work or upper eyelid skin got shortened too (blepheroplasty?)her philtrum seems to have gotten flatter (like). i dont like how american surgeons make lip area protruding forward.is it facialteam? they use that background color palette i think.
>>40940907its a good thing i dont look like lily tino then lol
>>40942851thank allah that my side profile already passes then
I like partial fem/masc. I like that trannies don't fully pass, it's more attractive to me.
>>40940907That's a coronal slice, not a sagittal
>>40940907I dont think anyone is arguing that ffs drastically reshapes the skull, but youre completely ignoring the fact that some males have feminine skulls due to a lack of masculinization. You people always compare averages and medians and ignore outliers and overlap because it doesnt fit your narrative. Youre working backwards from the conclusion youd like to prove, nobody should take you seriously.
>>40940907This is counteracted by getting fat, unironicallyt. fat passoid
>>40941235this bih look like squidward
im ok being androgynous, i am 6 feet tall after all, gonna wear 4 inch heels and work out
>>40940907is more than 7-10 percent of your face even sexually dysmoprhiclike women still have noses and eyes and eyebrows and the lips not to mention the ears and the eyelashes and also the cheeks and stuff it's like 99% the same
>>40941021And Im the Dalai Lama.
>>40945664>fat men look like women
