literally being naturally hyper-religious but losing my faith over this, dealing with every single moral instruction twisted to never understand me, like people like me have been systematically written out of history for thousands of years, while a global coordinated hate campaign makes people like me the constant public media scapegoat punching-bag fear-monger target and... what... you... you just... decided you'd try to steal my life's narrative from me, stepping in front and poisoning the well because you just so happened to... what? receive a lack of pushback by specialists who specifically treat this condition when you already have the entire rest of the world pushing back against this because of a once-in-two-thousand-year brief and mild correction from us being despised? Because you were sheepishly and awkwardly affirmed by us even when you seemed *off* because all of us had the shared experience of never being validated by anyone or anything in our entire life so we all silently internally vowed to never give someone the same feeling ourselves?

Well you're right, we should have pushed back against you. You're not LIKE US and NEVER WERE, we felt AWKWARD around you the entire time, every single one of our stories we told each other clicked, and we instinctually could tell we all shared the same condition, until YOU SPOKE UP, but all of us were too shy or afraid to say anything. You DON'T GET IT because you're NOT US, you DON'T HAVE OUR SHARED EXPERIENCE. That's why you ALWAYS made us feel like you were MOCKING our experience when you talked about yourself. We just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt cause we thought of all the insecurities we had that cis people doubted us for. But guess what, YOU NEVER DIDN'T SEEM OFF. You never ONCE had the VIBE that we could all pick up on in each other. You were always a disharmony our choir, it's just that YOU could never hear that you were because you've always been TONE DEAF to how WE feel.

Congratulations, you guilt tripped and browbeat the most hatefully misunderstood group of people in the contemporary world into going along with a charade that you were one of them by making us feel unable to speak up and even after coming to realize your mistake you still won't give US back the narrative of OUR lives. How many trans people were cancelled in progressive spaces for something as simple as saying "I think you do need dysphoria to be trans actually?" You're seriously, SERIOUSLY telling me that as a detransitioner who doesn't even believe any trans people are real now, that you NEVER ONCE saw those posts? That you never thought "that person is definitely trans at the very least?" Let me guess, you never knew what trans was in the first place, so all those people expressing annoyance at their community's narrative being taken over were just being "elitist" to you? You probably thought they were somehow *less* authentically trans than you were at the time didn't you?

Just admit that being trans is, and will always be as alien to you as any other cis person, no matter how much you told everyone you were trans in the past, no matter how many medical treatments you undertook, you still don't understand what it's like to be us because you've NEVER been one of us.

You're not a "detransitioner" because that implies you became as trans as the rest of us at some point. Just like how straight guy who had gay sex and didn't like it isn't an "ex-gay," but was always nothing more than a confused straight. No, you're only ever been a confused cis person. Sorry that none of us ever got sick enough of you to stand up and tell you this before, but here it is now.

WE KNOW THAT WE ARE DYSPHORIC AND THAT IT'S AS REAL AS HUNGER.
YOU HAVE NEVER KNOWN WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE US, NEITHER NOW, NOR WHEN YOU CONVINCED YOURSELF YOU WERE ONE OF US.
STOP
STOP
STOP
STOP
SPEAKING AS IF YOU HAVE ANY AUTHORITY ON WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE US OR WHAT WE BELIEVE. YOU DON'T.

EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU SAID SOMETHING "TRANS AFFIRMING" BACK WHEN YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TRANS, IT READ LIKE MOCKERY TO US BUT YOU'D NEVER KNOW THAT WOULD YOU?

Sorry for never giving you want you wanted, pushback. Here: YOU ARE JUST A POSER AND WE COULD ALWAYS TELL BUT WE JUST GAVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT IN CASE YOU WERE SOMEHOW THE RESULT OF EVEN WORSE PUSH BACK THAN WE RECEIVED.
That's right, that's EXACTLY RIGHT. We didn't tell you to your face how off you seemed because we thought you already had GOTTEN push back to the n-th degree and that's why you were so weird. We thought you were repressed deeper than any of us so we wanted to *give you a break* from scrutiny, at least among us. We figured we were the only space where you could get affirmed at all. Now you BLAME us? For what??? Being nice to CREEPSHOW, ETERNALLY VIBE RUINING, MOCKERY OF OUR EXPERIENCE you cause we were stupid enough to assume you were less privileged than us?

There's someone out there right now who's genuinely trans and the transition you undertook was direction STOLEN from them. Give it BACK.

You should be apologizing to us, but instead you must have gotten addicted to the high where we assumed you were the biggest victim and that's why you were always weird and so now you're trying to get that rush of being a victim by identifying as a "detransitioner" and telling everyone about it.

Every time I see you post something online about how "the trans community" it takes everything in me not to spill into this very post's rant then and there, yet you STILL demand we try to sympathize with you and let you chide in.

SHUT UP.
WE HATE YOU.

>inb4 someone says "replace detransitoner with woman and that's how they feel about you"
oh jej wew thanks wow, no. Misogynistic faketroons with incel vibes give me the ick on a spiritual level waoooooo

sorry I have BEEN needing to GET THIS STUFF OFF MY CHEST SOMEHOW OR I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO CRY EVER AGAIN BECAUSE I'LL ALWAYS BE STUCK IN MY FROZEN EMOTIONS.
IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY TRANS BUT THE SELF-DOUBTING SELF-HATING TYPE, STOP INTERNALIZING THIS LIKE I'M TALKING TO YOU YOU IDIOT, YOU'RE THE PERSON WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE EVERY SINGLE IOTA OF SUPPORT THAT THE FAKETRANS "DETRANSITIONER" STOLE FROM *YOU* AND YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS THAT THATS TRUE, LITERALLY LET YOURSELF BE A LITTLE MORE SELFISH OMG.

I don't even care if nobody reads this. It's not like I want to make anyone in particular feel bad. I'm just trying to feel a little less insane.

If you're actually a detransitioner reading this. Ultimately, wishing you the best in the end. Sorry for making you feel bad. I'm just sick of being hated so much and somehow being invalidated by "detransitioners" is just like an extra nail in the coffin on top of all the hate. Hellworld shit.

nonny am i faketrans if i delayed transitioning because my brother came out first and i saw the way people treated him, and i also didnt wanna my parents look like they were brainwashing their kids into being trans

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i skimmed it and i think i agree but why u post this if you dont want us to read it

>>40962119
not OP but i think throwing things out into the aether is alot more healthy than just keeping it inside forever

i read, op. thank you for sharing your feelings (real). i think everybody needs this sort of thing sometimes. i don't agree with everything you said but that's not the point. i'm glad you got your thoughts out and i'm right there with you, mostly. i love detransitioners but it's scary knowing that they somehow have more power than we do over the Truth of our own experiences.
>>40962111
no dummy that's just fear
i felt the same way for a long time, worried my brother would come out before me (he never did i was just stupid) and i would seem fake by comparison. i think you were walking over the same eggshells everyone else has to. i'm sorry you couldn't have transitioned sooner.

>DO NOT READ
i did what you asked
now what?

>>40962124
honestly its one of my biggest regrets in life so far
my parents were very accepting (maybe even too much?)
but the rest of my family is like borderline schizophrenic rightwingers who unironically believe in great replacement stuff and all those types of things

i saw them like atleast once a week at that age and i thought it would make my life so painful, and my parents lives too


but i really shouldve just said fuck them all and transitioned

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My ex was a ftmtf detranser and seeing her go from tboy to full terf after her detransition made me understand that the things I was preaching before about every transition proccess and identity being valid was just me lying to myself in order to get cookie points with people who threw me under the bus afterward. She making me miserable was how I understood that transmedicalism and gatekeeping is a necessity if we want to make this community being taken seriously. It was being so accepting of transtrenders that killed our public image and if we ever go back positively on the public eye I don't think we should have so much acceptance on people jumping on the bandwagon just to get to feel a little "queer" and part of the community.

real af OP, feels like u beamed the words out of my mind
Like so much of the toxicity in the current trans community is a direct result of ppl who were never rly trans policing our discourse to themselves feel more included
Then they detransition and suddenly it’s our fault, as if we wanted these idiotic tourists in our community in be first place
And normies want to believe that we, trans people, are like some evil empire that has taken over the world when the reality is that NOBODY has supported us, not the broader LGBT community (they have been entirely obsessed with peddling the over inclusive bullshit and ostracizing anyone who goes against the party line), not the medical community (they have consistently treated us like experiments or problems to be solved, what little institutional support we’ve received from the medical establishment has come only after trying to force literally every other option on us first), not the liberal establishment or the broader public (they have just used us as pawns to push their own ideological agenda around gender)
quite literally no one and nowhere is safe for us, even in this godforsaken corner of the internet we are not free from their influence

>>40962119
I ultimately started to imagine some edge case detransitioner reader my post and spiraling into some kind of despair or something and that made me feel bad but I still had to spit it into the aether like >>40962120 said just to get these thoughts off my chest.

Like why do I never hear it brought up in trans spaces?
>>40962164
>made me understand that the things I was preaching before about every transition proccess and identity being valid was just me lying to myself in order to get cookie points with people who threw me under the bus afterward.
It's seemingly never brought up that MANY MANY OF US have literally ALWAYS felt something was OFF with some of the people who thought they were trans like us. We never seemed to feel on the same wavelength

>>40962170
>a direct result of ppl who were never rly trans policing our discourse to themselves feel more included
our discourse WAS polluted by people who just simply have different internal experiences to us because they're NOT WHAT WE ARE.

Like, I get the idea of saying "okay dysphoria is just an approximate term for a set of feelings that are more complex than what the term literally portrays and being trans is more than just the pain you feel but something more fundamental" and having a deep discussion about what the essence of being what we call trans is, but acting like a teenage transgirl who'se drowning is dysphoria saying "I think you do need dysphoria to be trans, that's what's motivating me to transition" is somehow being elitist??? You literally have to have a different experience than the rest of us to read that that way.

The thing is, I really WISH we COULD have had deeper discussions on what it means to be trans. Like, when I was a kid, I knew I wanted to be a girl very deeply before I ever learned about trans stuff. When I first saw stuff on tumblr saying "If you identify as a girl, then you are one" I literally some people found out the type of person I was and were making fun of us.

But I'd just constantly, constantly, feel like the people talking about what it meant to be trans were using an entirely different frame of reference to us in the subtle ways they'd talk about it. And I'd feel like over and over again I could EASILY feel, like it was a natural instinct in me, a sense, every time someone talked about how it felt to be trans that either A. This person was walking some tightrope trying to not ostracize any particular take that has been expressed already while hoping to somehow get their actual feelings out despite that tightwalk. or B. People for whom they just plain DIDN'T have that internal sense of realness behind the party-line ideological-speech patterns and slogans.

>>40962240
I'd meet a trans girl and she'd introduce herself like "ah yeah... :X TWAW because they identify as women ^^;;;;;;;" but then she'd start also saying in private "I JUST WISH I WAS A REAL GIRL" while literally having every single vibe of a girl 24/7 down to a tee naturally without effort. Meanwhile someone else would make literally everyone in the groupchat silent and not say anything because they'd say something that none of us could identify with but we just could neeeeveeer say anything.

No it's perfectly fine and not at all sus at all that you're talking about how you're totally a legit valid transwoman because identity says so when you hate the idea of having breasts for some reason, naturally fall into a groove of acting like a guy and enjoy everyone treating you like a guy except we simply substitute the word guy for girl but keep everything the same, like the idea of PIV with you topping and have literally 0 qualms about it, have a detrans "kink" despite never going though any substantial trauma or denial of your trans identity that would lead to having one, constantly come onto and flirt with everyone but can never tell when they don't want it if they don't explicitly say something to you, talk about committing violence in this weird predatory, perverted way, without any sense of hysteria or a hidden desire/meaning behind it and without noticing that we'd all wish you'd stop doing that because you're alienating people from us by making us look a certain way we're not, have no qualms with making women uncomfortable and seam to revel in it instead of being mortified by it, somehow literally always ALWAYS ruin the vibe when we're talking to each other, and just plain do not give off trans vibes no matter how long we've known you.

I just wish society understood people like me instead of hating us. Even now I'm feeling overwhelmed by a sense of guilt for typing all this negative energy out into the world. I feel like there's some sorta situation in which anyone could end up like anyone. I don't know. Sorry.

I just... am so tired... of literally living in the information age, and among constant bombardment of people hating us, I can't even find but incredibly scarce RELATABLE CONTENT because everything trans related is watered down to appeal to the validity of the lowest common denominator in literally all circumstances.

>>40962323
>guilt
do not. better that the thoughts are here than bouncing around inside your brain. you are allowed to be angry and upset and i think a lot of people here appreciate the opportunity to talk about this
hugs, nonny. i have faith that this will get better. some people had to learn by falling flat on their faces that being trans isn't some trend you can try like getting a new haircut or trying a new style of clothing. i don't like the word "trend" here, but i don't know what other word to use. anyways, i think, the way things were going, that sort of thing had to happen. people will learn and it will get better, i have faith.

Sorry.
I can't escape this cosmic sense of dread now, like I just picked up negative karma for making this thread or something. Like I *need* to imagine the what-if edge case of someone reading my words and being hurt by them unnecessarily and now that makes me feel bad so I didn't even get to reach catharsis on this and I'm so tired of that too. So tired of just burning and burning out trying to get to *something* or another, trying to hear something from someone that I need to hear but just ending up frustrated, scared, and sad like usual, never, ever feeling a sense of genuine catharsis with everything I've been putting myself through with regards to the whole trans thing in society and simultaneously still feeling like God hates me and I'm going to hell so I won't even get it after I die because I can't even shake THAT.

I just want or need to get something off my chest, just need to hear something, I don't know what it is. I can't find anything I need psychologically anywhere. I'm so tired of this. Tomorrow I'll be hearing the exact same things from random people that I've heard a thousand times, each one of them feeling like blunt force trauma on a bruise instead of sharp cuts like they first did.

I'm so depressed it feels like there's nothing to turn to except MAYBE wait another 10 years and hope things get mildly better. Evenstill I'll literally never NEVER get my youth back. I can't even start processing something as crazy fundamental to my psychology as that because I'm stuck in turtle mode 24/7, waiting for the next attack trying to drag us down without even getting us.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, I'VE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE FEW PEOPLE WHO PUBLICLY ADVOCATE FOR US NOT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE US EITHER???

That was years ago now. Now, now it's... just everywhere, just hate everywhere. I can't even find a single relatable "trans" thing that isn't based off of misery, fear, or anger. I hate it.

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE US WHEN YOU'RE NOT????

>>40962349
Really thanks, i'm already struggling to not start spiraling into feeling like some awful person for posting all this and I wouldn't even mind if I didn't feel like I couldn't even actually express the thing that I needed to express somehow. Like I just feel frustrated, just so frustrated and dejected at all of this.
I don't like the word trend either. Maybe it's because 9/10 times I've seen it it's been from some anti-trans person who would say trans people didn't exist before 2010 or idk.

I just... can't fathom it. How is it that this is the one single life I was born into and I just so happened to have this thing that everybody hates and I don't even get to speak out honestly about my experiences about it because it might delegitimize someone else who has only ever seemed to advocate for their own acceptance within the label of trans instead of mine? People who are detransitioning being used as a cudgel just seems like some sort of cosmic cherry on top.
I've genuinely put my best foot forward in other instances, I've spent probably over 100 hours listening to detransitioners talk on youtube and what not and I still just STILL feel like I don't get it. HOW literally HOW? WHY????????

Especially when they act like "I didn't know for sure and made a mistake, so nobody who's a young person has the capacity to know." It makes me so angry because it feels like someone who's never experienced hunger tell someone who is starving "you can't know if you're hungry or not" because they imagined they were hungry or something. Like, if you KNOW, you KNOW, which you'd KNOW to be true if you HAD THE SAME CONDITION AS US.

Sorry sorry I just... keep trying to get something out I just keep talking and talking I literally hate myself now. Thank you for saying "do not." like I genuinely appreciate this. I feel like I'm just spitting out a vile incoherent mess cause I just feel like I'm digging blindly trying to find some sort of point that I can't figure out how to say.

I just can't figure out what to say, every single time I see someone casually talking about how their transition was a mistake I remember how I've literally, in my actual life, literally never once felt a sense like transition was the wrong path for me, but I've 10,000 times over felt terrible about not starting earlier when I knew what I wanted out of shame or fear or not wanting to hurt others. I'm literally this thing, I've never ever had doubt that I'm this thing at my core, whatever this thing is, where I wish I was the opposite sex. How is it that I delayed transitioning so long? How is it that I still don't have the confidence to not boymode around my family? How is all of that the case and someone else who's not even trans just... wheels themselves out in front of literally the entire world to cry crusade about how they regret what they did, how they went into transitioning with more confidence than I've ever had?

How do people who are not trans have more confidence in themselves going into doing transition than I do when the desire to be the opposite sex feels like it's baked into my literal bones and makes me go insane every day?

I don't get it. Do I just have a personality type where I can't place my feelings above others no matter what?
Do other people just fundamentally do the opposite?
Does this mean I'll always end up drawing the short stick of things unless I do what feels like practicing evil? (sticking up for myself)

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I wish *I* had the ability to feel like I was a victim without feeling like I'm literally in physical danger the second I start to entertain the idea, or literally any idea that portrays me in a positive light at all.

I wish I had the ability to believe in a hereafter where I'd find peace at the very least.

I wish I was able to feel like I was suffering instead of being forced to think of myself as an evil person who deserves punishment as I hide in my room afraid of the entire world.

I wish I didn't have constant paranoid thoughts of "did my dad watch fox news and hear about the detrans shooter fucking PIECE OF SHIT and that's another nail in the coffin of them thinking I'm *basically the same* or something?

I wish I didn't have the feeling like I've lost the authentic life of mine back when I was 9 and that everything psychologically I've built up since then has only been a castle of sand, reinforced with battle-worn barbed-wire because the world is a genuinely hostile place.

I wish I didn't feel like I was going to die utterly lost and confused because exorcists would try to cast my actual soul to hell and invite me to be possessed by a demon if I acted the way they wish I would, and that's the closest I'll ever get to receiving a sense of community from Christians.

I wish I didn't feel like I had to monitor my very own thoughts lest they offend SOMEONE meanwhile no matter how offended I am I just have to smile and play along because EVERYONE ELSES FEELINGS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN MINE AND IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT I DON'T EVEN HAVE WANDERING THOUGHTS THAN POSSIBLY STEP ON THE TOE OF SOMEONE WHO FREELY THINKS AND SAYS WHATEVER THEY WANT ALL THE TIME.

I wish I didn't feel like I couldn't even fucking move around inside my own head anymore.

I wish my neck didn't literally fucking ache with pain from being constantly hunched forward from SHAME AND FEAR not fucking being an AGP NERD or some shit like someone would say as soon as I mention I have a problem.

>>40962372
the first things you said at the start of the thread may have been a little incisive, but really i don't think anything you're talking about is vile at all. it does all feel like a big, cruel joke, and being upset about that, i think, is the reaction that makes the most sense out of literally anything. it's not fair. it's not fair that we have to live like this, it's not fair that we're ostracized for it, and it's not fair that we don't even get to be the ones to explain what it feels like. all of that sucks ass!! you're not wrong at all for being angry, or confused, or hurt.
i can't answer all the questions you're asking because i'm not them and i don't know. i wish i could. not be them, but know the answers, i mean.

i'm struggling to keep up with your posts now because i think very slowly and i'm not sure that i really have anything of true import to add, anyhow...but i want you to know that you are heard. and that i really do appreciate your words. you deserve to speak and be heard, and i really do believe the world will start to understand this, someday. maybe sooner than we think.

Everything you said is right
Apart from me detrooning and ruining your life
I never socially trooned, not really.
But all the rest are true.
I believe in gatekeeping now.
Faketroon action troon lives
I would be sorry abd I am but that’s not something you want to hear about
Instead let me tell you that yes i will always be your ally. Trans people are wonderful and truly alive above most others due to how much they wish to live as authentically as possible.
And for that I can’t blame you.
I will only blame myself or rather accept my mistake and move on. Nobody will know anyway.
Thank you for being you. Keep fighting. Life will find a way. You are truly wonderful

>>40962441
<3 thank you nony I appreciate it a lot. The one thing that makes me be able to keep it together is seeing the occasional post among the constant spam that I can relate to a little bit. It's like I don't have permission to feel my feelings on their own but can get a little bit of it if someone else says what I'm thinking. So I hope maybe all of this can do that a little bit for someone.

I really wish I just had some place to direct all my pent up anger and frustration at without the constant nagging feeling like "well they're victims too/ignorant/don't know any better/I'm not perfect/w/e" just like... a way to get it all out of me and feel a genuine sense of *catharsis* for once instead of always being left frustrated. I just feel like I can't even get mad at God or the devil because "what if I hurt their feelings in the process" and it just leaves me feeling stuck and in pain emotionally. I can't find release.

I feel like my body is in a constant state of fight or flight that it literally never is able to let go of and I'm just so tired of being so wired all the time. I'm literally afraid of my own dreams as I start to fall asleep that it startles me awake and the only place I'm able to find a semblance of peace in is imagining utter oblivion and non-existence, or imagining transformative hellfire burning away the majority of my life, thoughts, patterns, beliefs, and memories, leaving only my core soul I originally entered this world with like a factory reset.

I wish I at least had a single person who wasn't on my computer screen who I felt actually, genuinely, GOT me.

I wish I could believe in God or something like that almost even, but all I can do with regards to things like that is feel EVEN WORSE because I must be bad in the worst ways.

>>40962473
Please don't let my words make you feel any worse anon. You are kind to me I want to be kind to you. I'm not typing them as if I were making a dagger I wished to plunge into someone, rather more like I am cutting myself open trying to spill out black sludge that's eating me away inside. I'm just trying to return myself to some state of being a little bit at peace and don't know what to do. I just wanted to try spilling out negative emotions for once.

I'm really sorry. I doubt you in particular did anything that contributed to ruining my life. Please don't feel bad.

>>40962473
Sorry, thank you. Please say whatever you want to say. It might help honestly. I want to hear anything at this point. Sorry again.

>>40962495
I don’t feel bad and your words are my words too just in written form
Don’t worry about it at all.
I owe up to my mistake and make sure nobody else is affected cause that’s you are supposed to play this game
So please don’t feel like anything you said was said unjustly.
You have every right to say what you think. And this is an appropriate forum to do so. So write away

I’m reading the whole thread over and we agree on a ton of things. So I’m on your side. And no. Nothing of mine was hurt at all. As I said I had these thoughts too.
Keep fighting yes? The world might hate you but you can hate it back and with your real friends you can make something more out of it. Nothing lasts forever this hate too.

>>40962517
Stop being sorry! instead try and find things you appreciate in the world. Yes classic therapy trick
Come on you are fine saying sorry isn’t needed. I understand the sediment but you have no fault on your own. So no need to be sorry at all.

>>40962522
>>40962530
Ty ty, I'll try to find things worth appreciating.

I am interesting to hear how we agree about stuff and what your experience and feelings with regards to everything is though. I'm honestly surprised you agree with me because I just feel like I'm in a haze of spitting out venom and I can't possibly see anything I've been saying as productive in any way.

Please tell me more about your experience and opinions if you want to, no pressure.

Also I do genuinely ultimately want detransitioners to be able to find support and help that they need too, despite everything I've been saying.

I guess I'm just mad that "detransitioners" are a thing at all. It reminds me of how everybody talks about how ADHD stimulants are overprescribed to young, overactive males and so say that we need to crack down on all ADHD prescriptions but in reality at the very same time ADHD is extremely under-diagnosed and treated in adults and girls. Something like that.

>>40962551
Yeah vile humans who take advandage of a misunderstood "condition" is nothing new is it
Detransitioners whongrift are just vile people and what you said of them is indeed very true and our culture is killing everything that isnt cis white and capitalist.

Essentially I arrived to your conclusions through my own feelings. I didnt belong, I wasnt feeling the same etc etc
Just what a fake tranny? It was ridiculous. And the more i scrutinized it the less sens eit made for me to be like people like you. So i just stopped simple.
It was all just fake feelings.
I got affirmed by people online and then believd in my own lies cause yeah it felt good right? But everything was off. And when the "choir" was playing I knew I wasnt part of it. So i left and slowly disappeared from everything relating to trans people. Because im nothing like you.
I was just a lonely nerd with weird fetishes going into something thinking its the real me finally but nah
I was just living a bad life and this wasnt the answer at all.
I deeply believed at some point my desire to be "a trans woman" was a real thing and therapists even reinforced it, but they missed everyt feeling it seems. The feeling that I definitely arent that.
Frankly we need mroe voices like yours. Differenciate the chaff so to speak.
Actually a LOT of actual trans people need to talk about their ives, cause lmao the 99% has overtaken you again. So speak up and urge your community to speak up as well.
Im nobody on the internet so I dont count as anythign and I want to be part of nothign like this.
I truly thing we can help the real trans people that exist if they can speak and be understood
the chaff that transitions at 50 and the fetishsist and the enabling gay queers and the LOSERS who play dress up and need 50 people to tell them how valid they are for taking their 2 mg and the FUCKING males who infest transness need to go.
And only actually trans people like you who have ACTUAL dysphoria need to speak up.

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>>40962049
I love this, thanks for posting. Actual fraudulent and disgusting people dragging us down over their own regrets. Take responsibility ffs. Some of these """detransitioners""" don't even look like they touched HRT a day in their life, wtf are you even complaining about?
And yeah, communities need to gatekeep themselves harder. Gatekeeping is only ever wrong when it's an outside party gatekeeping something from a separate group (e.g. government censoring media from civilians or pharma blocking HRT unless you go through various humiliation rituals). Internal gatekeeping simply maintains the identity of the group, no matter what the group is.

>>40962584
>cause lmao the 99% has overtaken you again
it's not easy when you're so outnumbered just a fraction of a percent of cis people can grift and you get drowned out

>>40962643
Sorry for trying to grift you
ill make up for it by donating and giving all my things to real traumatized trans people in hopes their lives get better

>>40962654
>ill make up for it by donating and giving all my things to real traumatized trans people in hopes their lives get better
You don't have to do that just umn... live a normal life, occasionally voice support with reason. Idk. You don't need to live a life of hating yourself or something we don't want that for you, we just want to be accepted by people in general.

>>40962693
ok
ill try my best
I hope trans people live their lives too, free and real

binary trans women are so fucking annoying i swear to god

>>40962853
You literally just sound like a guy who finds women annoying but you're just attaching "binary" to it so it's *progressive* instead of regressive tbhon.

>>40962654
i mean, what you did here isnt really grifting you just made (almost made?) a mistake. you didnt go out and say, "omg, those evil trannies tried to groom me into cutting off my bits ohh how horrible we need to do something about this"
...right?

>>40963741
No nobody but very few close friends knew about my “transition”
I sold it very well to them but there is nothing I can’t take back. So there is no harm done since the silence of it all was pretty tight
No worries I mean. I’m not like what you described.

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>dolchstoßlegende: trans edition

>>40963779
Nothing like it

>>40962225
Fwiw, I (ex-chud) know a lot of people in the "centrist"/chud demographic who differentiate between "agp trannies" and "the real ones". I'm sure it does not feel that way when you are receiving an absurd amount of hate, but I think even people outside of your bubble delineate betweenthe groups a bit, which does speak to the validity of it imo. It was certainly one of the first things I noticed when I started hanging around places like this