>>40964499
Hrt will not give you a pussy

>>40964499
absolutely not for multiple reasons. first “females orgasms” is kinda a meme depending on what you interpret it as. second orgasms are difficult to achieve and underwhelming until you get decent levels which could take a few months. third is the gyno you get isn’t fun to deal with if you don’t want it
TL;DR; go for it champ

Female orgasms don't exist. Not in the "hurr durr women can't orgasm" way, it's just that it's literally an idea, there is no tangential difference to orgasms male or female or whatever else. Because orgasms aren't just cumming but since you're a man you'll never understand that.

>>40964557
no but many MTFs report their orgasms changed and their dicks became more like clits

>>40964558
>first “females orgasms” is kinda a meme depending on what you interpret it as.
multiple, full body orgasms without the misery of post nut clarity

>second orgasms are difficult to achieve and underwhelming until you get decent levels which could take a few months.
what levels do you need? a few months is short if it means i can escape male sexuality

>third is the gyno you get isn’t fun to deal with if you don’t want it
i want boobs i just don't want other people to see them

>>40964592
>Because orgasms aren't just cumming but since you're a man you'll never understand that.
yes, males are cursed with ejaculation. there's no point to sex as a man

>>40964592
>there is no tangential difference to orgasms male or female or whatever else.
this is just not true. Ive experienced orgasms on E and on T and its different. Similar but different.

>>40964611
>yes, males are cursed with ejaculation. there's no point to sex as a man
You don't need to cum to have sex. But men are so mechanical. I know you won't be convinced.
>>40964619
Legitimately delusions. You probably think you get your periods too.

>>40964499
oh you're back hello
>>40964611
>their dicks became more like clits
that was because i cut it off
>a few months is short
you know you'll have to stay on hormones and eventually become a woman right?
>i want boobs
i'm glad you can admit this now (they're also like really fun to play with)
>there's no point to sex as a man
i like having sex with guys and they seem to like it too

>>40964631
>You don't need to cum to have sex.
as a woman, yes, it can be enjoyable for its own sake

>But men are so mechanical. I know you won't be convinced.
this is a function of biology, men are cursed with the constant urge for release

are you MTF, cis male, female or FTM? you seem to agree with me that sex as a man is dogshit

>>40964631
>Legitimately delusions
Have you transitioned or are you just working on assumptions?

>>40964679
I'm mtf but I never had sex before transitioning lel.
I'm telling you it's all mental. You can take a dildo up your ass rn don't need to take E to do that. Stop touching your dick immediately dude play with your nips idk senpai

>>40964688
I'm the trutranniest of them all. It's all bs.

>>40964711
m8 u r peak delulu.

>>40964499
>>40964611
my orgasms didn't change at all for me and I'm close to two years of HRT at good levels

>>40964722
>no u
Sure. Sex is real, not a construct, and hormones change it, and whatever. Simpleton beliefs that still fit the paternal law don't interest me.

>>40964677
>oh you're back hello
hey whats up

>that was because i cut it off
doesn't it get reused for SRS? do you have a clit?

>you know you'll have to stay on hormones and eventually become a woman right?\
if i finally experience female sexuality i wouldn't want to stop but i can't become a woman, i would just be a perverted hon

>i'm glad you can admit this now (they're also like really fun to play with)
i've never denied it i just feel gross because i literally just want to be a woman for sex

>>40964699
>I'm mtf but I never had sex before transitioning lel.
did you masturbate before transitioning? how did that feel for you?

>>40964699
>I'm telling you it's all mental.
it's mental and physical

>You can take a dildo up your ass rn
i don't really enjoy it as much as i try to

>dude play with your nips idk senpai
i do it doesn't really feel like anything

>>40964739
has your sex drive changed at all? HRT usually lowers it significantly right?

>>40964699
i didn't have sex before srs. i always wonder if there's something about male sexuality i missed out on learning
i agree though i was masturbating with my nipples and vibrators and having "female" orgasms even before hrt. personally i think hormones and our bodies drive us to certain patterns but there's no real great divide here. i think op is too focused on the erections and ejaculations.

>>40964767
>has your sex drive changed at all? HRT usually lowers it significantly right?
slightly lower but not by much

>>40964767
>did you masturbate before transitioning? how did that feel for you?
The same, really. Lol. Not great tbqh, just filling a biological need.
> do it doesn't really feel like anything
I mean no part of your body is inherently sexual. Maybe taking E will make you believe your body is different and placebo will make you enjoy sex more though idk
>>40964768
Thx for getting it lol
If I'm not in the mood I can get fingerbanged and not give a shit. If I'm in the mood it feels amazing.

>>40964767
>do you have a clit?
of course
>i would just be a perverted hon
>i literally just want to be a woman for sex
you are way too worried about this stuff
you can be a woman and have fun female sex and then live the rest of your life. 99% of the time it literally doesn't matter if you're a woman or not.
>has your sex drive changed at all
i'm super horny and srs magnified it like crazy. i masturbate nearly every day and have sex every chance i get lol

>>40964611
I mean they feel nice sometimes. I think you are reading from weirdo sissy fetishists that like to go around online playing up their own sexual experiences.

>>40964887
i think he has this huge idea that he's missing something and literally nothing will convince him otherwise

>>40964768
>personally i think hormones and our bodies drive us to certain patterns but there's no real great divide here.
as an MTF you probably have real dysphoria and were already wired differently

i'm a gross AGP who doesn't even have dysphoria, just orgasm envy

>i think op is too focused on the erections and ejaculations.
because i'm a man and that's what i associate sex with

>>40964796
nothing's changed at all for you? are you a bottom or a top?

>>40964824
>Not great tbqh, just filling a biological need.
exactly why i hate male sexuality. it's like a cripple trying to enjoy a sport

>Maybe taking E will make you believe your body is different
there are clear effects that HRT has on the body, although everyone is different

>placebo will make you enjoy sex more though idk
for a lot of MTFs it seems to have changed things enough it has to be more than placebo

>>40964879
>of course
stupid question i just don't really know how SRS works

>you can be a woman and have fun female sex and then live the rest of your life.
i wouldn't pass and i would have to live as a tranny for the rest of my life

>99% of the time it literally doesn't matter if you're a woman or not.
it does matter if i'm a gross old man who transitioned for sexual gratification like a disgusting pervert

>i'm super horny and srs magnified it like crazy. i masturbate nearly every day and have sex every chance i get lol
god i wish this were me

>>40964972
>nothing's changed at all for you? are you a bottom or a top?
I've never had sex

>>40964887
>I think you are reading from weirdo sissy fetishists that like to go around online playing up their own sexual experiences.
maybe but it also doesn't read like fetish material. just feels like women talking about sex normally

>>40964929
maybe you're right but i also think i need to completely rewire my sexuality. if vibrators and nipple play felt good to you to start you're ahead of me

i've tried bottoming it just doesn't feel good at all

>i think he has this huge idea that he's missing something
i am jealous of female sexuality and am AGP and have vagina envy but also am AGAMP and self insert as women with dicks but also can't convince myself being a woman with a dick is better than just having a vagina

i'm just a gross sex pest with a lot of contradictory thoughts in my mind

did you not feel like utter garbage ejaculating pre transition?

>>40964980
but do you have a preference while masturbating

>>40964972
>doesn't even have dysphoria
you've talked about wishing you were a woman over and over again in this and previous threads
>that's what i associate sex with
maybe think about changing that
also how is your sex life and do you have sex with men or women or what?
>i would have to live as a tranny for the rest of my life
yeah so do the rest of us
>god i wish this were me
you can literally make it you
>>40965039
>if vibrators and nipple play felt good to you to start you're ahead of me
i'm sure one of the reasons my nipples feel so good is because i took a hormone that develops them into breasts
>i am jealous of female sexuality and am AGP and have vagina envy but also am AGAMP and self insert as women with dicks but also can't convince myself being a woman with a dick is better than just having a vagina
well the typical arrangement is that first you have to be a woman with a dick before you can get the dick removed so i guess you'll get to experience both
>did you not feel like utter garbage ejaculating pre transition?
no it was fun i guess..it was still an orgasm i just didn't really like how it worked and wished i had a vagina
eventually i bought a vibrator and started masturbating that way exclusively
i always thought anal was always gross even though i really wanted to stick things inside me too. srs was the obvious solution, but i also pretty clearly wanted to be a girl.

This is my first post in this thread, only skimmed some of the former ones.
I'm somewhat in the camp that believes HRT didn't do anything too radical to change my experience of sexuality. The big things were that erections became less firm (and the first time I ran out of anti-androgens for a stretch, erections actually became painful!), and that refractory periods shortened.
But that shorter refractory period did open up a very interesting possibility: sequential orgasms in one session. I think my record was 7 in about an hour and 15 minutes.
Basically it's that, as soon as it's not actively painful to touch your dick again, go right back to it. Use A LOT of personal lubricant, because otherwise you will absolutely destroy your skin. But beat that fucking dick like it owes you money.
The first 2-3 orgasms will be more "normal", but eventually you really need to force yourself to reach orgasm. It will actively challenge you to do better. More edging up to it. Better mental discipline to stay focused on the sexual experience and avoid distractions. And then the physical aspects of the sexual act.
To focus in on the physical stuff, you will struggle to get much of an erection and the sensitivity of your genitals will go down. For the erection part, tensing the muscles in the rest of your body will help bring some of the blood pressure back up. That will also increase the stimulation over the rest of your body, which is going to become important to spread it out and blend the sensations from there into the sexual fantasy and act. I would still be stimulating the penis, but mentally just zeroed in on how all the rest of my body is feeling.
Again, the HRT helped with the refractory period, but maybe some of this accessible to you even now, just by taking it a bit slower. But even an hour of this is kinda exhausting, so if it takes you 3 hours I don't know how you'd maintain the focus and energy.

>>40964499
Uh no. They make you impotent and wont want sex at all.

>>40965094
>you've talked about wishing you were a woman over and over again in this and previous threads
only for sex reasons and i've half heartedly gone on about wishing to be a futa and taking it back

>also how is your sex life and do you have sex with men or women or what?
i don't have sex

>yeah so do the rest of us
it's different when you're a passing or twinkhon trutrans vs a gross pervert hon

>you can literally make it you
tbhon i don't even know if i want SRS because i think a vagina is superior but i'm AGAMP

>well the typical arrangement is that first you have to be a woman with a dick before you can get the dick removed so i guess you'll get to experience both
the best case is i experience female orgasms and stop having a refractory period with a dick and then stop having vagina envy

>eventually i bought a vibrator and started masturbating that way exclusively
too loud will annoy my neighbors

>>40965227
>I'm somewhat in the camp that believes HRT didn't do anything too radical to change my experience of sexuality
>But that shorter refractory period did open up a very interesting possibility: sequential orgasms in one session
that's a huge difference. arguably the most important one

having a refractory period is like not having legs and trying to play a sport

>I think my record was 7 in about an hour and 15 minutes.
my record is 2 in 30 minutes then i am too drained to continue

>Use A LOT of personal lubricant, because otherwise you will absolutely destroy your skin
i'm circumcised as well so probably doubly so

>Again, the HRT helped with the refractory period,
once you are free from the constant anxiety of cumming, i think everything else comes after that

also what age did you start HRT and what are your levels like and how long did it take?

>>40965669
>also what age did you start HRT and what are your levels like and how long did it take?
Lateshit
My endo, a full-on endocrinologist and not GP, didn't give a shit about "levels" or blood work. He literally just gave me whatever I wanted and we did it by vibes, lol.
It may have been a year or two in that I started that sexual practice.
>i am too drained to continue
I had a lot of stamina at the time due to doing dance as a hobby, so maybe you need some cardio too.

>>40964499
No. Orgasms are not that much better. If you want your orgasms to change, you should change the way you masturbate.

>>40964499
That sounds like a very bad idea to be honest.

>>40965750
>Lateshit
what's lateshit to you? after 20? after 25? 30?

i hate myself for being an old sex pest and i can't really enjoy my own body

>My endo, a full-on endocrinologist and not GP, didn't give a shit about "levels" or blood work. He literally just gave me whatever I wanted and we did it by vibes, lol.
wtf, what was your dosage

if i ever take HRT, i was just going to DIY and then go to an endo after a year or two when i'm more convinced i'm serious about it

>I had a lot of stamina at the time due to doing dance as a hobby, so maybe you need some cardio too.
i'm getting decent cardio from my job but it's not really pushing me atm.

have you noticed any difference in health and activity outside of that?

>>40965771
>If you want your orgasms to change, you should change the way you masturbate.
have you done this?

>>40965785
hence why i haven't started HRT yet. some anons are convinced i have dysphoria but i just want to have better orgasms

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Unironically, no.

I had better female orgasms before E than after. It’s literally a bottom mindset thing. If your lifestyle isn’t feminine, you won’t have female orgasms. I know that sounds like bs but trust me. I haven’t been able to have one for months because my lifestyle is shit because of stupid coping mechanisms I developed as a kid to deal with my parent’s divorce

>>40964767
tbhon i dont think HRT actually lowers sex drive
it didnt for me atleast
i have a similar sex drive to pre-hrt but now instead of getting horny and wanting to jerk off i get horny and want to suck cock and have a guy cum in me

so i masturbate less but my overall drive is the same

>>40965849
>>40965849
Also, HRT does very little unless you really are feminine. It’s why there are so many never passes. E is a lot like steroids. If you take steroids and don’t work out, you will not change much at all, maybe get a little fatter and a little more muscular and lose your hair. He is about the same, if you don’t have a truly feminine lifestyle, it might make your skin a little smoother, but your life will not change one way or the other and your appearance will stay about the same. A lot of things might actually get worse.

If you don’t believe me, go into any grocery store, blue collar job or fast food place, any woman who has worked there for more than 5 to 10 years starts to look like shit because femininity is mostly about lifestyle and diet, which has the biggest effect on hormones. You can have in your body, but your body won’t put it to good use unless i
The right conditions are met. Taking e for fetish appeal alone is basically pointless.

>>40965849
>I had better female orgasms before E than after.
could you explain the change?

>>40965889
>tbhon i dont think HRT actually lowers sex drive
it's a possibility that i have to accept

this is probably honscience but many MTFs say it goes down then back up

or they just take prog

>i have a similar sex drive to pre-hrt but now instead of getting horny and wanting to jerk off i get horny and want to suck cock and have a guy cum in me
but you don't always have a guy with you

>>40965984
what's a feminine lifestyle?

>A lot of things might actually get worse.
like what?

>femininity is mostly about lifestyle and diet, which has the biggest effect on hormones.
sure but i don't think i can start producing estrogen with lifestyle and diet alone

like the other anon said, i have to be in good enough health to enjoy continuous mind breaking female orgasms. i can't pass but i can at least get laser and shave

>>40966046 #
>the change

Dick basically stops working, but we still work under the right conditions, but even “male” orgasms are a lot more underwhelming than they used to be.

> what’s a feminine lifestyle?


Very small portions, very healthy food, no junk food,low stress, good social life, caretaking tasks, (not sure why this is, but I think something about serotonin and oxytocin being feminine versus dopamine and adrenaline, which are masculine has some kind of downstream effect on hormone production and absorption. Women tend to be more social, and men are more physical and object focused, and our hormones might partially be structured in order to reward those life styles. This is just a personal theory, but I know that if I help Care take for people who need it while working a social job like barista, I passed much better whereas if I’m doing a lot of manual labor, I look like an absolute fucking mess and my skin turns to shit, and it happens in a matter of days or weeks) , and honestly something about feeling safe and/or submissive. Basically, eat/live like a man = look like a man. The Twink bottom lifestyle mostly mimics the ideal feminine lifestyle, and that’s why the more dedicated Twinks can avoid Twink death for longer.


And yeah, as far as orgasms go, I honestly think the majority of it is to deal with being with a larger man who has absolute dominance over me. I just can’t get into the headspace of female orgasm without it.

>>40966173
Basically, the Incek lifestyle is exactly identical to the femcel lifestyle. It doesn’t matter how good your hormone regimen is, if you live like a little gremlin, you’re going to end up looking and feeling like one. It’s why so many women end up completely crashing out after they “let themselves go”. It wrecks your body’s ability to balance hormones properly.

>>40966173
>Dick basically stops working,
stops working in a male way? like you can still use a vibrator on it like a clit no?

>Very small portions, very healthy food, no junk food,low stress,
so just live healthy?

the low stress part idk if that can be helped since i still need to work and my job is very draining

>>40966211
i am jealous of the femcels that can be high libido and spend their time bedrotting masturbating for hours

>>40965984
>femininity is mostly about lifestyle and diet, which has the biggest effect on hormones.
Can you go into detail on this
I don't take hormones, but I've noticed staying very relaxed throughout the day contributes to a youthful appearance and soft features, like the blood literally travels through your face more evenly and makes you look better. And I notice women are more naturally suited to jobs that require light but constant amounts of effort, whereas men gravitate towards jobs that are really stressful and have acute busy periods with periods of relaxation between

>>40966283
>>40966173
Oh shit i missed your reply
Anyway to add something to your list, I think chores are a very huge part of a "feminine lifestyle". Like scientists pretty much agree that the primary reason women live longer than men is because they stay far more active in old age doing random housework, whereas a disgruntled old man just parks his ass in front of the TV until something important comes up, which in his old age means pretty much never doing shit.

The feminine qi is almost like all your energy is just evenly spread like butter. If you want to balance yourself towards more feminine energy, you need to dispense with acute bursts of energy, relax, hone in on your immediate environment, stay focused, etc.

>>40966046
>but you dont always have a guy with you
i KNOW it sucks
if i get horny like that and dont have a guy to do stuff with i dont really do anything, like theres 0 desire there to masturbate

>>40966283
>I've noticed staying very relaxed throughout the day contributes to a youthful appearance and soft features,
there's always something to worry about

>And I notice women are more naturally suited to jobs that require light but constant amounts of effort,
but where are those jobs and what are you considering light effort?

>whereas men gravitate towards jobs that are really stressful and have acute busy periods with periods of relaxation between
this might also be part of why males have higher autism and adhd rates, and why women do better in education

>>40966319
>whereas a disgruntled old man just parks his ass in front of the TV until something important comes up, which in his old age means pretty much never doing shit.
also their lifestyles leading up to retirement were probably more taxing on the body

>>40966351
>i dont really do anything, like theres 0 desire there to masturbate
i think you mentioned this before. doesn't that get distracting?

>>40966431
>doesnt that get distracting

i guess? its kind of annoying cos i feel pent up but cant really do anything about it

i would say i have a medium sex drive so its not like im ravenously horny 24/7 but its ehh if my bf doesnt feel like doing anything for a few days cos i get fairly worked up

but it doesnt really interfere with my life so much

>>40966431
>there's always something to worry about
True. The goal is minimization. Whether you realize it or not, you're constantly tensing your muscles involuntarily throughout the day in response to events, and this puts a sea of minor stresses on your body that wear it down. But you can reduce this with effort.
>but where are those jobs and what are you considering light effort?
Think of mangaka. They sit at their desks for 9-12 hours at a time, expending light but steady effort every day. Isn't that kind of feminine, if you think about it? Male work has periods of stress alternating with relaxation, whereas female work has little stress so it needs little relaxation. And Japan more than any other country is tapped into "feminine energy".

>>40966502
just another way male sexuality is worse

the fact that you are just able to ignore it until you're ready

if it were up to me i'd be a high sex drive woman with a remote job so i could just masturbate in my downtime

>>40966563
>But you can reduce this with effort.
you mean like your natural response to stress?

>Think of mangaka. They sit at their desks for 9-12 hours at a time, expending light but steady effort every day.
do mangaka actually work for 9 hours straight or do they just sit there for 9 hours but only actually get things done in bursts?

desk and office jobs aren't usually 9-12 hours of slow work in my experience

>Male work has periods of stress alternating with relaxation,
true, my job is very reactive and if someone needs me, they need me ASAP

>whereas female work has little stress so it needs little relaxation.
women on average seem better at time management

>>40966653
>you mean like your natural response to stress?
Not just stress but like literally anything
like tensing your head when focused
You should not do this, or at least try to minimize it as much as possible.
>do mangaka actually work for 9 hours straight or do they just sit there for 9 hours but only actually get things done in bursts?
Bursts is the wrong way to describe it
Male work is done in bursts, but female work is like a constant, gentle oscillation between mild relaxation and mild but steady effort. When men relax during work they're like, let's go out and smoke, let's drink a monster during break, let's do the hard task now & then sit on our asses doing nothing for hours or days until the next hard task (like the military). When women relax it's like let me change the playlist I'm listening to on spotify, let me stretch a little, let me make some tea, let me have a short chat with a friend, and then they just go back to doing the work. They barely relax, but that's because the work they do is just not taxing in the same way as in male professions really

>>40966921
>Not just stress but like literally anything
i tense up in reaction to things and stressors, but women do this as well i don't think this is a male exclusive thing

>You should not do this, or at least try to minimize it as much as possible.
is there some exercise or method to this?

>Male work is done in bursts, but female work is like a constant, gentle oscillation between mild relaxation and mild but steady effort.
i still don't get what you mean by male vs female work

it sounds like you're describing some perfect bullshit job, but even in jobs like that you have a controlling boss who keeps asking you to do shit because "you're not doing anything right now"

>>40967074
>i tense up in reaction to things and stressors, but women do this as well i don't think this is a male exclusive thing
i'm saying if you want to stay youthful, stress-free, and ultimately more feminine then you should try this because it works. ive verified it myself

>it sounds like you're describing some perfect bullshit job, but even in jobs like that you have a controlling boss who keeps asking you to do shit because "you're not doing anything right now"
i'm describing a very broad pattern. if you're not good at spotting broad patterns then you're gonna have a hard time seeing this. just thing about the extremes. like, working on an oil rig or fishing boat is one of the most masculine careers imaginable, and what is that like? it's a bunch of acute stress packed into a short time span, followed by long stretches of doing nothing. female careers are the opposite. this is not a coincidence. male brains are so much more goal/reward orientated, they're very resistant to work unless there's a big payoff. women don't even need that much payoff. women will just do something because it needs to be done. so when men do work they're always thinking of the end goal, the finish line, and they put a lot of energy & stress in to get it done. women don't even care about the finish line that much so they just relax. this is also why female careers generally pay less. women don't want to put themselves through a terrible job because they don't care as much about what's at the finish line. think about it

>>40964499
HRT is worth it, but don't fall for the SRS meme if you go that far. I did and now the "killing myself if i can't have good orgasms" scenario is realer than I thought it might be, lol.

>>40967157
>i'm saying if you want to stay youthful, stress-free, and ultimately more feminine then you should try this because it works.
i'm asking what methods or exercises do you do to minimize physical stress? next time my boss approaches me unannounced how do i not tense up?

>i'm describing a very broad pattern.
you're giving clear examples of "male jobs" but you're not giving any examples of slow and steady "female jobs" that don't tire you out to do for 8 hours continuously

idk if i agree with your example of a mangaka, since many of them are men, and art is absolutely full of crunch time. animators breaking their backs to meet deadlines.

>women will just do something because it needs to be done.
>women don't even care about the finish line that much so they just relax
if something needs to be done that is the finish line

>this is also why female careers generally pay less.
where are these really easy jobs that you don't need to put any energy into and still meet quotas?

>>40965669
maybe you should see if you like having sex as a woman
I am loud too and my neighbors are loud so we have an understanding..
i don't understand how having female orgasms is supposed to stop vagina envy lol..you kind of need a vagina to orgasm like a female
>my record is 2 in 30 minutes then i am too drained
it's not two orgasms one after another it's like a combined thing. and an orgasm doesn't need to mean you ejaculate or had an erection that's the important bit.

idk if a "female lifestyle" will help you have female orgasms unless you mean like having guys cum in you

>>40967337
>jobs

It feels like you might be confusing, low impact with easy. Anyway:

>secretary/office work
>beautician/salon work
>event coordinator work
>nursery work
>Department store work
> waitressing/bartending

>>40967451
Also, it should be noted that it’s more about the fact that these jobs are extremely social and require a lot of constant focus, flexibility, and light, constant detail oriented work. I really do think the social aspect is the biggest component, though, being socially competent creates a cascade of neurotransmitters that I believe affect hormones significantly.

>>40967416
Look up “female dominated careers” in Google

https://ilostat.ilo.org/blog/where-women-work-female-dominated-occupations-and-sectors/

It’s all very high social and detail intelligence work.

>>40967548
sure but i have a male dominated career and yet i still have like a female body and social relations with people and can have female orgasms and stuff

>>40967337
I agree with >>40967451 >>40967468

>I really do think the social aspect is the biggest component, though
Kinda. I don't believe that socializing has some magical properties that make you more feminine, but rather that it's the easiest way for a person to get sucked up into the immediate environment and world around them, which is a core part of being a woman. Men generally have an idea of what things should happen and try to impose them on the world, whereas women have a fluid idea of what should happen and let things take their course.

But anyway it's not getting through to this person what the idea is. They seem pretty dense or "thick" as the brits say so I'm gonna stop trying.

>>40967416
>I am loud too and my neighbors are loud so we have an understanding..
thankfully mine aren't and i don't want to bother them

if i could hear my women cumming their brains out through my walls every night it would break me inside

>i don't understand how having female orgasms is supposed to stop vagina envy lol..
the reason i have vagina envy is because i think having a dick is limiting me but if i could cum like a woman but with a dick i might get over it

>and an orgasm doesn't need to mean you ejaculate or had an erection that's the important bit.
yeah HRT makes both of those things harder

>>40967451
>It feels like you might be confusing, low impact with easy.
if a job is so stress free that you can just do it for hours without feeling stress or exhaustion then it is easy

>>nursery work
>>Department store work
>> waitressing/bartending
how are any of those things not full of acute stress?

>>40967468
>these jobs are extremely social and require a lot of constant focus, flexibility, and light, constant detail oriented work.
that doesn't sound relaxing to me. this sounds equally as stressful and draining

i agree there are gender differences in career preferences but the way you phrased it sounds like you're just saying women get the easy jobs

>>40967601
well i wasn't female socialized so obviously i'm not gonna see things in certain ways

>whereas women have a fluid idea of what should happen and let things take their course.
sounds like learned helplessness

>>40967725
>then it is easy

Go work that job then. Good luck, LOL

>dicks are limiting, I must have what I desire
>sounds like learned helplessness

I don’t think I can explain anything further to you. I don’t say this often but you sound extremely masculine/malebrained. If you can’t find the pleasure and fulfillment in submission to the world I don’t know what to tell you. Not everything is about control, and lack of control brings as much happiness and suffering as control does. Honestly regretting giving you all this advice because it sounds like you’re willing to change careers to help further your fetish and that energy is not needed in those spaces.

>>40967725
> sounds stressful
Well, that’s the point, feminine people don’t find this type of work as stressful as masculine people. If it sounds stressful for you, you’re not the target audience.

>>40967937
>Go work that job then. Good luck, LOL
if you haven't realized i was asking you to give an example of such a job, not that the jobs you listed were the easy ones

>Honestly regretting giving you all this advice
that was supposed to be advice? i was just asking about your worldview

>because it sounds like you’re willing to change careers to help further your fetish and that energy is not needed in those spaces.
nope, you jumped to that conclusion yourself

>>40967986
>Well, that’s the point, feminine people don’t find this type of work as stressful as masculine people.
i know plenty of women who work those jobs and they find it stressful as fuck

>>40968065
I don’t remember ever saying that feminine, jobs were easy, just stressful in qualitatively different way than masculine -dominated jobs. Masculine dominated jobs tend to wear the body out in an explosive fashion, which leads to compensation through over eating and other bad coping habits. The distinction between masculine and and jobs (beyond “oil rig versus salon”) is actually not very big, but it’s more about how the worker responds to stress. Yes nursing and med tech can be overly stressful and that’s why a lot of women end up looking extremely rough many years in. Lack of sleep, overeating, not enough pay for high quality nutrition, etc

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No. You are what you are. Get over it. If you truly wish to edit yourself you'll need to completely master bioengineering and recruit several AI data centers as lab assistants.

>>40968065
You mentioned earlier that you don't know any jobs that match the description of, "constant, steady paced, relaxed, long stretches of time". And honestly, yeah that's true (at least in America). But if you look at Japan and how their corporate system is structured, you'll find the average salaryman gig to match that description pretty closely. This is ironic given salarymen are mostly male, but as mentioned earlier, Japan truly is in touch with "feminine energy" moreso than any other country. And while most mangaka are male, if you actually look at these men they do seem oddly feminine or have a feminine way about them; even the ones who are middle aged. Like not just their hair and clothing, but their skin and hair seems soft.

So I believe corporate culture in America and Europe has made most jobs kinda naturally stressful, and figuring this one out is just a personal challenge. Personally, it's one reason I plan to work for myself.

>thread full of people sharing their pragmatic experiences with HRT and what they like and don't like about it
>>40968221
>if you can't PERFECTLY become a woman don't even bother starting
kek absolute repper logic
can't regret any choice you refused to make

>>40968158
>I don’t remember ever saying that feminine, jobs were easy, just stressful in qualitatively different way than masculine -dominated jobs.
this discussion was specifically about jobs that are so easy that one could sit around and exert "light effort" (which you still haven't defined) continuously

to me a job that requires continuous attention that leaves you drained by the end of it isn't "light effort", that is just constantly living under stress

>The distinction between masculine and and jobs (beyond “oil rig versus salon”) is actually not very big,
this is a copout. we were just talking about how women gravitate towards certain jobs because it enables them to work in a certain way, and now you're pulling the "the difference in the jobs isn't that big" card

>but it’s more about how the worker responds to stress.
okay, so suppose a man and a women work the same exact job, what general trends do you see in the difference in their work style and response to this stress?

>Yes nursing and med tech can be overly stressful and that’s why a lot of women end up looking extremely rough many years in
and in what ways is the stress there different from the stress of a masculine job?

>>40968221
>No. You are what you are. Get over it.
do you say that to everyone or do actual dysphoric people get a pass?