I was surfing on terf tumblr for. reasons.. and the main rhetoric that they try and push out there is that gender is just a bunch of stereotypes attributed to the biological sex, that's why so many of them (terfs) are "gender abolitionists."This is why so many people experience with Gender Dysphoria, as their entire gender identity that was assigned to them at birth, is solely a load of stereotypes and assumptions that they would grow up to not align with. I would like to know your guys thoughts on this
>>40966983YesAnd stereotypes are often stereotypes for a reasonNext question
gender dysphoria is a misnomer for sex dysphoria and I'm really a transsexual
>>40967023how can you be transsexual. Sex is impossible to change, there's nothing to be transformed
>>40967064no it's notestrogen changes my body to be like a female body, and srs will change my genitalsso I'm a transsexual unless you think the physical differences between men and women are just stereotypes too
>>40966983Socially constructed categories (of which sex is one) will always have accompanying symbols, which are effectively stereotypes. If you think this is a problem in of itself then you're out of luck, because human beings inherently think symbolically.IMO this is a big failure of feminism, the existence of women as a social category has been treated as synonymous with the existence of women's oppression. It would be like treating the existing of ethnic groups as the same thing as ethnic prejudice, rather one being applied to the other.
>>40967064Sex change operations change your primary sex organ. Hormones, voice training, and other surgeries change your secondary sex characteristics (body hair, facial hair, fat distribution, facial proportions, gait, voice, nipple size, body odor). It’s weird how you didn’t know any of that but still offered an opinion on the subject.
>>40967092What about your chromosomes?
>>40967161Who cares?
>>40967161lol what about my chromosomes?my chromosomes have absolutely zero impact on my life and nobody will ever see them
>>40966983This is a larp because terf tumbr was spammed to the brim with pro trans rhetoric
>gender is just a bunch of stereotypesAnd money is just some paper. All this kind of rhetoric does is reveal the sheer childishness and inability to understand the world that surrounds it of the person that spouts it.>bro da social constructs bro yes? and? That social constructs aren't "natural" doesn't mean it is either possible OR desirable to get rid of them, even of the ones that seem at face value unpleasant.And I am tired of this retarded feminist talking point, which is EVIDENTLY false. There has been NOT A SINGLE CULTURE ON EARTH which had no gender. If gender was as made up as they insist then for certain there should have been at least one, and yet all of them have genders. It's almost as if this is deeply fundamental to how human beings function qua human beings and will be regardless of how much worthless feminist academics insist otherwise from their ivory tower. You know what, I am fucking tired of the deleterious influence feminism had in academia and specifically the humanities. They get to hog grant money while doing a grand total of 0 real scientific research on an eternal circlejerk of citing each other. This is why I support defunding the humanities, if Jaynice Raymond and her coven of hags managed to be "successful academics" despite the obviously flawed agenda driven natuee of their """research""" then their field doesn't deserve public money.
this >>40967023i think there is such a thing as gender dysphoria but as a sex-dysphoria-only-haver it frustrates me a little that people think that the only reason trans people transition is because of arbitrary gender stereotypes (which afaik are not even really the reason gender-dysphoric tranners transition)
>>40967064* sigh * >>40960019>>40967161If you wanna spend the money and wait a couple weeks then sure you can clock my karyotype.While you're in there could you run SNPs for AIS? I've got a medical theory about myself.I didn't troon so people wouldn't make fun of me for wearing pink. I trooned because I needed my body to be female shaped and I needed to interact with the world as a maximally female adjacent human.
>>40966983Basically yes. That's why transitioning is so stupid.
>>40967136You can change you physical body with extreme surgeries but not your sex.
>>40967371Nobody caresWhat is a relevant objection?
>>40967064There's layers but our cultures (and the evolution of reproduction itself) generally care about gonadal sex. It's the "productive" definition.Males make little gametes and females make big ones. You use both to make more organisms.And these gametes are activated and developed as the chromosomal sex (hopefully) then defines the gonadal sex, and then we are assigned a sex within our culture, hopefully by someone with medical knowledge to help "sort" intersex cases into an assigned sex by proximity and what data we have based on how well that intersex condition matches with a functional sex.That's three layers.Trannies added "ostensible" sex or "gender" or "sex presentation". Through epigenetics, the case they make is that hormone replacement will change an ostensible, which they assert is the most important.I personally can't buy into that because sex exists for reproduction. You can call all the other window-dressing something else but your sex should be based on gamete production (at any point you made them). Assigned sex is useful because it helps fold in intersex cases, matches up nearly 1:1 with gonadal sex and basically defines what sexist socialization you'll receive.
transgenderism is just adhering to stereotypes
>>40967817this
Gender isn't gender roles
>>40966983the more I learn the more nothing is ever 'just' anythingchange the language and you get new concepts, new concepts lead to a new reality, a new reality leads to new causal extrapolations, worked for galileo and descartes tbqhI think one of the funniest parts of 'the second sex' is where beauvoir basically calls western feminists of the time stupid for thinking they can just rationalize themselves out of being women by ignoring material reality and lived experiencewe're almost a century further and both philosophy and neuroscience have advanced significantly, so it makes more sense to talk about how the sentient organism constantly renegotiates and co-constitutes its existence with its environment as an active collaborative processmeanwhile common political discourse is still coming to terms with lived experience and material ethics
>>40966983I'm a gender abolitionist tranny. I just also believe in sex abolitionism as well.There should be no categories like "male" or "female", just people and you can like who or whatever you want and dislike who or whatever you want. And you can do whatever you want with your life and your body and no one will interfere with it, but actively support it to the extent that people have a responsibility for your well-being (parents, state).My praxis for actually accomplishing it is reduction to absurdity. Add more and more sexes and genders, especially contradictory and overlapping ones, until it's semantically meaningless.
>>40967358Based answer. Maximally adjacent is preferable. I think to what level is a personal preference, but only that bit.
