General for all nonbinary, intersex, questioning, and friends.QOTT: What is your MBTI?QOTT2: What is your favorite school of philosophy?
>>40983890>QOTTINFP or INTP i think>QOTT2i dont really know much about stuff like that but stoicism has aura
>>40984121stoicism is based i should do more research on it
Came here to say that I love being a bisexual man on hrt. Not falling for the honmode meme was the correct choice. In fact, I would go as far as to say that's its the honmoders who are brainwormed and not us, manmoders.>>40983890INFP and absurdism
>>4098389099% of nbs are infp
>>40984433is that true?
cross dressing isn't a sexual identity. the reason nb's aren't a part of lgbt is because nb's are just playing dress up. it's not the same as say autogynephillia. autosexuality belongs in sexual identity minorities. crossdressing in and of itself isn't a sexual identity because there isn't necessarily a sexual component to it like in transvestic fetishism.that's why you guys are off-topic and seen as trenders riding coat tails. that's why you're hated. you even tried to co-opt intersexism like see saphism occurs naturally. intersex is a medical condition. it's not lgbt. they can be gay or bi or trans allowing them to be a part of lgbt, but just being interesex is not the same as transsexualism because we can't put to the root of the problem definitively whereas there's ambiguity to the transsexual experience.
>>40985026retard-kun... most of us are also transsexual (i think)... those types are on twitter and reddit...and intersex has been established as part of lgbt for a while now
>>40985045you're not transsexuals. if you were, then you would be binary.
>>40985070are you aware that sex and gender are separate things? you can be transsexual and still be nonbinary gender
>>40985026Third gender has existed in history for forever
i got some copper dowsing rods delivered today, they will be very useful in honing my telekinesis
>>40985070How or why binary ? Gender is by chromosomes, two genders male or female. Maybe you can explain your answer.I'm kinda agreeing with you in some way society treat's the transgender and intersex different
>>40985070I'm a nonbinary transsexual woman
>>40985070I'm a faggot yes I am aware
how did you guys figure out you were intersex? I've been kinda starting to think I might be but I'm afraid to ask my parents questions that will come with questions of their own.
>>40985934I am heavily suspicious that I am intersex to some degree, maybe walking the line due to my super masculine face, broad shoulders, and natural clitoromegaly. I have never persued medical answers, but once I started taking T, it pushed me entirely into a masculine appearance and I pretty much never got called "she" during my masc phase. I'm in my femme phase now and I still get called "he"
>>40985934I grew boobies and I wasn’t supposed to do that.
>>40987065is this really an indicator? i developed gynecomastia at the onset of puberty but i thought that was just a normal thing that happened to some boys
I wish I had a pen pal. I really love stationary and journaling, I think it would be super fun to pass letters back and forth with someone. Maybe I'll start writing letters to inmates
>>40983890QOTT: ESTPQOTT2: Mind-body dualism>>40985934I was raised gender neutral because my parents are woke, during puberty I developed both masculine and feminine traits and when I went to the doctor they found out I have both male & female reproductive parts>>40987098It can be, if it goes away after puberty it's likely benign and just an effect of the hormonal changes during that period but if it persists it's worth looking into. I recommend looking through the InterACT glossary for information about specific intersex variations
>QOTT: What is your MBTI?i just did the questionnaire for the first time in a while. picrel; INTJ-T. tfw 1%er>QOTT2: What is your favorite school of philosophy?i'm not really the type to think much about this stuff, ironically, i guess, but i probably subscribe to absurdism. i tried reading the meditations a while ago to learn myself stoicism and it was completely meaningless to me. aside from that, i've never really read and do not really know about anything.>>40988308i feel the same.....i've always wanted to write to a friend because it seems much more thoughtful and comfy and less pressing than text messages or talking in person but i'm not sure i ever will
>>40988464it persisted at least until i stated hrt. now they're bigger obv for better or for worse lole. that is interesting..my voice also naturally sits in the female register and my hands and head are the same size as my mom's. i never really thought anything of that stuff bc i don's align with any intersex variations i've ever heard dicussed, but hearing this and others itt sort of makes me wonder now. i spose i will look into that
>>40983890is it ok to nb cope if i still dont pass after ffs and ba
>>40983890left Hegelianism. all subsequent philosophy thus far has been worthless. even most left Hegelianism is trash.
>>40988573you can do whatever you want honey bunches
>>40986635lmao>masc phaseT is pretty fucking permanent
>>40988749Um, yea? That's the whole point
>>40988756so, there's no regression into a "fem" phaseyou're a transman
>>40988759What makes you say that?
>>40988759>almost every mt[whatever] is just a man bc testosterone? i think i must be confused but this doesn't seem to follow nonny
>>40988858They're mad because I took Testosterone and don't identify as a male
im afraid i may be enbycoping bc i dont want to voice train but idk. i kinda just want to be a woman without putting in any everyday effort. or caring about social stuff.
>>40983890>/enbygen/>general for all... intersex...i dont want to be included with you delusional freaks. i have a medical condition you have a mental illness. learn the difference.
>>40989539then leave
>>40989539Idk what you have but my intersex condition definitely makes me LGBT. I'd have to transition if I wanted to be either gender
>>40989345i know that but what they're saying doesn't make sense to me even in general,, like that the majority presence of testosterone is a permanent determiner of your identity or whatever
men and women scare me, i dont want to be like either of them
>>40984433REAL i love being cool and differentt. entp
Hi nonbinary people. I'm glad you exist. I hope you have a good day/evening
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>>40989494i know the practicality of it is a little dicey but you can do that, nona. nothing wrong with the unadulterated You :) desu though if it really is just about effort and not because you prefer your voice, i might recommend voice-training, anyways...it is very often the difference between passing and not, and will more than likely allow you to avoid a lot of hassle without needing to put effort into or care abt anything else.don't feel pressured, though; be you and do you. those are just my two cents>>40990147i'm glad you exist friend <3
>>40990476voice training just feels fake to me. like its an act i would be putting on. if my voice was naturally feminine, i wouldnt have a problem with it. i just want to be me, not some sort of act i have to keep up every day. i dont want to perform anything.
>>40990515nta, but I mean, you gotta learn to walk, too, before you do it every day. that doesn't mean it's artificial.
>>40991139It feels more like forcing yourself to walk on all fours when you already know how to walk.
>>40991267Maybe! I don't think we can make our spines work like a quadruped, though, and I definitely think people can (with some amount of professional help or advice) use their voices in a different way without damage or breaks, and make that the default. I've incorporated a lot of gendered behavior that I never remember was trained-in. It appears as genuine to others as what I started with and is more comfortable now than what I was doing before. Part of becoming more ok with being trans has been learning about/experimenting with what is "fake" and what is "real" and the value I give to either.
>>40983890>QOTDnone of them really, I know they only account for introversion and extroversion but I'm not either of those. Then idk what the other letters are for in the four letter personality types>QOTT2idk about a favorite one but I like the philosophy of mind bc I've been able to use it to better explain various gender things.>>40990515>if my voice was naturally feminineanon no one's voice is "naturally" anything because the entire difference between weather something is "natural" or "unnatural" is human influence, and since you're human nothing about you or anyone else is "natural". to be unnatural and to be artificial is to be human &/or human influenced.
good morning nonbineys
>>40991674i mean feminine as in a cis womans voice. if testosterone had never poisoned me.>>40991521i dont want to "train" anything. i dont want to constantly strain my voice.
>>40990515>>40991267i totally understand that. i think the other anons are right, but that doesn't make you wrong. obviously, that doesn't make them wrong, either, though (in my opinion, i spose).and i do tend to agree with them, even though i sympathize deeply with your perspective. almost everything in life we have to learn from others. almost everything in life we have to work for. this might include your voice! i think of it a lot like stretching. when you sing consistently, and you practice and warm up and do everything you're supposed to, your vocal range will literally expand. even in speech. you will have more clarity and more ease reaching pitches and tones which might have been difficult before. it's like stretching a muscle. until four months ago i had never touched my forehead to my shins. now i can do that because i stretched. singing Hide and Seek by Imogen Heap is really hard for me unless i've been singing for a while. and even then it's still hard lol. but the POINT is that i don't think it's so much artifice or pretense as you feel. i'm not pretending to be able to put my face between my knees and i'm not pretending to be able to sing Hide and Seek; those are just things i can do (i actually probably can't sing Hide and Seek right now but that's besides the point) because i worked at them. you're not pretending to have a "female-sounding" voice, either; it's just how your voice sounds. or will sound.>>40992279good morning nonbiney :)>>40992304>if testosterone had never poisoned me.here's something else to think about: detransitioned cis women often have to train their voices back to being "passable"; you are a woman, no? what's so fake about putting in a little work on the vocal front so that people don't get confused?it is, of course, up to you. as is everything. be comfortable and live the way you like. it's just something to think about.
>>40989494>i kinda just want to be a woman without putting in any everyday effortidk this doesn't sit right with me. anon do you even realize how much effort cis women put in every day? skincare, makeup, hair care, shaving, nails... no shade to women who just "roll out of bed" but it's pretty well known in society that women put tons of effort into their appearance daily
>>40992361i think if i was a cisf detransitioner i wouldnt give a shit about trying to bring my old voice back. i might have to think on that a little more though.>>40992373i want to be the woman who rolls out of bed. i dont care about looking my best, i just want to look like im female. ive known women like this, and they are my goal.
>>40992395this is all okay! like i said, you're not wrong for feeling the way you do. i really get it, i promise. i felt the same way about a lot of stuff years ago and i actually mostly feel the same nowadays, too. if you want to rock the unadulterated self i think you should. you are allowed to live however you like and anyone who tells you you're wrong for that can fuck off.that said, this may be a temper-your-expectations sort of thing...unfortunately it's not always possible for tranners to just roll out of bed like that. i know what you're talking about and i get it. but please do not put undue pressure on yourself. i did that years ago and it just made me really sad.
>>40992395>>40992487>it's not always possible for tranners to just roll out of bed like thatThis
>>40992487>>40992494yeah i guess its time to just accept that this run is fucked. maybe in the next life.
>>40992507this is really not the message i was trying to impress here nonai think this is something you will learn on your own, anyways. it will probably take time. you are not doomed. you just need to take the little tangrams of life and put them together somehow that makes you happiest. that's all anyone can really do. personally i'm a pretty big fan of this snail
