>>40984217
the radfem part always hated us nona
Janice Raymond in the 1980s is responsible of ban the coverage of trans healthcare from 1980 to 2013 on US
Dworkin who was deemed as a "trans inclusive" always sees us as a type of male that transitions due to gender stereotype and not sex, she sees an ideal society where gender stereotypes are gone and trannies wouldnt exist
Every single TIRF treats us like sinners who should be blamed for born male and we should always bow the heads if we got our rights erased so yeah
I still don't know why so many trannies are retarded to considers themselves radfems at all

>>40984217
I support them

>>40984234
>Every single TIRF treats us like sinners who should be blamed for born male and we should always bow the heads if we got our rights erased so yeah
TIRF's are just one tiny disagreement with a trans person to becoming a TERF anyway.

>>40984217
Because all identity politics is a cannibalistic psyop by nature. Literally throwing straight cis white men under the bus.
How can you be surprised when they do the same to you?

>>40984217
At this point it does not really matter. Since the number of actual TERFs are so tiny and most that used to use feminism as cover for their beliefs have just moved on to explicit right wing hatred (SWERFs are really the only second wavers to still exist in real numbers).
But generally, TERFs exist (or existed) because of a bio-essentialist path that second wave feminism sadly went down. It was just a sad accident of history really.

In a better world, trans-inclusive radical separatism could have won out. But we just do not live in that better reality.

>>40984248
Mainstream here (NOT ONLINE) is 50/50 in my experience on the campus im at, I wouldn't say it's tiny

Because feminists are incapable of accountability and have always had misandrism tolerated due to their main proponents having a vagina and shielding themselves behind the genuine troubles woman have historically suffered. Currently those misandrists are dictating the movement, helped by the media and its consistent demographic splitting.

It's no different than misogynists that subverted men's rights activism. Though unlike feminism, men's rights doesn't have gynocentrism to forgive it's trespasses.

It achieved full formal legal equality for women and consequently ceased to be of any use as a political movement. It diverged thereafter into an inert HR bureaucratic organizational strategy and various forms of idiotic pseudoradicalism like marching around with your tits flapping out, or squatting and pissing on the sidewalk or hating trannies. The sorts that get involved with "radical" politics in general are deeply, deeply lonely people with delusions of grandeur and an unwarranted sense of self importance complete divorced from any actual drive in their own life to hold the opinions that they do; so they have the tendency to slip into bizarre sorts of behavior, they aren't actually responding to some concrete imposition on their life like the feminists of yore were.

>>40984255
My point is that you need to differentiate between people who are genuinely still clinging onto second wave beliefs and people who are using 'feminism' as a guise to legitimize their own bigotry. We saw the exact same thing back in the 70s with 'feminists' using the guise of feminism to attack lesbians for example.
The number of actual, ideological TERFs is just not that big and the majority that do exist are rapidly aging rad-fem holdouts like the political lesbians.

The problem is simply the number of bigots that hide behind feminism and will gesture towards second wave thinkers they themselves have never read or have any real interest in. But with the normalization of transphobia, we have seen that even most of these have stopped that and just openly embraced a right wing politic that is nakedly rooted in hatred.

"feminists" who hate trans women are like "progressives" who defend genocide in gaza because israel is supposedly gay friendly (it's not)

stop confusing right wing psyops for real life, yes it affects you in real life but those are not real people in the sense of having organically formed beliefs/values. they have no values, this is a synthetic political position designed to poison the well

>>40984217
Radical Feminism is cis woman supremacy, that's why. They hate all those born natal males no matter what.
You shouldn't be surprised.

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>>40984341
>Radical Feminism is cis woman supremacy
no matter how inclusive TIRFs sound, they are all like this

>>40984323
I think most of the actual ideological TERFs have been gone since mitchfest died, but there definitely is a resurgence now among young feminists. I blame Andrea Dworkin's books being popular again.

>>40984267
>formal legal equality for women.

Very white view of the world. This has not happened in most countries

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>>40984234
Actual radfems fucking love trannies. Its just that as Ive mentioned before chud politics is very
>Most lukewarm take ever
>Is punk now
>Applause
Its not radfem if it isnt radical.

>>40984567
You have it backwards. It has happened in most countries except for a few culturally immature countries.

>>40984234
>Every single TIRF treats us like sinners who should be blamed for born male
Why are you unjustly hating on MacKinnon like this, she's the most prominent TIRF and a real G

TERFs are a phantom boogeyman. What is real is the stability of natural sex. It's a basic belief that people have by default and it doesnt require a feminist education for most women to be skeptical of trans identities.

>>40984634
No. Lots of countries where girls have to live in a hut when menstruating, cannot go to school, have to get married as kids and have kids when still a kid themself. Countries where its legal to beat your wife or let women die before giving a life saving abortion etc. Most of the world is very unjust for women.

>>40984267
>formal legal equality = equality
What a libtarded way to see the world, wacky. I can visualize your white picket fence suburban home and your $200k a year middle management office job from thousands of miles away.

>>40984652
>life saving abortion
>life saving
>ends life
kek

>>40984680
>a 12 year old getting their insides ruptured and dying hecling good because you dont understand... a clump of a 100 of cells has hecking feelings!!!

>>40984217
>becoming
Feminazism has ALWAYS been an afab supremacy cult. It has never fought for anything for anyone outside of itself and the upper class white women who benefit from it.

>>40984680
Living womans life is more important than a dead or dying fetus thats poisoning her body. Would not expect a moidling to have any well though opinions about abortions anyway.

>>40984652
I'm sure you'll list every country and their apparent failures in women's human rights. Rather than this "the idea upsets me so I'll consider it the truth" your current argument is.

>>40984699
> moidling
lol cute stealing this

>>40984680
Women don't see children as human. They don't see anyone besides themselves and other women who benefit them personally as human either. Loving children and valuing their lives is unironically a masculine trait.

>>40984700
Existing persons life is worth more than a tiny sack of cells that cannot exists outside of its host. Go back to your cave

>>40984749
Embryo is not a child. You people just want to control women. Cannot wait till artificial wombs are here and men realize that they cannot get rid of their "child" that mutated in the "womb" and is now a living vegetable with no brains. But sadly we are never getting artificial wombs in countries that want to label that life starts at conception. Putting a living human in such device could "endanger" it after all

>>40984754
I didn't mention abortion.

Nonetheless, your ethical relativism based on which life you empathize with is pretty disturbing. Nor is abortion a zero sum question. A woman's life is not over if she aborts a child and medically necessary abortion in order to save the mother's life are still performed, so this is a dishonest argument.

>>40984840
>medically necessary abortion in order to save the mother's life are still performed.

No they are not. Lots of women die cause doctors are afraid to act because of these laws. Read up about it if you are ignorant.
Womans life could be over if she is not let abort her "child" in many ways, pregnancy is always risky and emotionally it could be terrible to be forced to birth something that was put into you possibly against your will.

You people have zero empathy for women and children (who also have to go through same things as adult women)
Don't pretend like you care about children. You care only about little boys. Little girls are ok to be forced to carry their rapists baby when they are 9 years old in your ideology.

>>40984912
Yes they are. And no they don't. Pregnancy related deaths have not increased and the number of abortions performed has not dropped. These records are publicly available.

You assume a bunch of things to justify ignorance is your own arguments and to justify prejudice.

>>40985014
They have increased. So much so that they stop producings stats about it in some of places to not bring attention to it. Women die all the time cause they have a ectopic pregnancy or a dying fetus inside them that doctors refuse to remove. You just don't care.

You are very ignorant and talk about topics you have no clue about. Don't pretend to care about children when you want force them to carry their rapists baby. You hate children and have no empathy.

>>40984567
>This has not happened in most countries
no shit, we are talking about TERFs so the implication is we are talking about the 1st world go be poor and brown elsewhere
>>40984661
Formal legal equality and with total state, corporate and intelligentsia funded and backed dogma is all your going to get under capitalism you reformist brainrotted radlib

>>40985049
You understand there are numerous bodies that record stats surrounding death not subject to state regulations surrounding abortion? That even subverting one method would not impact the overall statistics collected by bodies such as the CDC and FBI.

Also as someone who is a part of the medical community I deal with the facts of it, and not the politics.

Your appeals to emotion and assumptions about my character do not make an argument. You are a squalling child demanding victim status in order to justify your dehumanization of anyone who will not validate your world image.

Grow up.

>>40985090
>White trannies showing their white priviledge and not caring about 90% of the world. Thankfully white people make only 6% of the world and the number is shrinking all every year so the problem will take care of itself

>>40985111
6 percent is overshooting. Try about 0.6

>>40985107
Its not all public, buddy.
Your chacter is clearly shit and only cares about little boys.

Answer clearly, should a little kid (5-12 years old) be forced to carry their rapists baby and why? how can you think like that and pretend you give a shit about kids?

>>40985118
lol who do you consider white

>>40985138
It's not public yet somehow you just know?
>5-12 years old - biological outliers to achieving puberty and actually be capable of pregnancy
Now I know you're being retarded. Take your meds.

>>40984468
I'm AGP and I look like the one one the right, and have gynecomastia, is it a blessing or a curse?

>>40984217
cis women always despised feminine males
they just started being more honest now

>feminazi thread
>bioholes because screaming about murdering children immediately

>>40985200
The youngest mother is 5 years old and girls can start periods normally when they are 7-8 years old.
So why you think these kids should be forced to carry their rapists baby? Do you hate little girls?

>>40985247
Women tend to love beautiful males, who are correlated with femininity.

>>40985257
>moidling pretending to care about kids while forcing real kids carry their fathers incest babies

>>40985271
they only love 'beautiful' masculine males
the more a male looks like a woman, the more they hate him

>>40985296
I would agree somewhat. I think to a woman, the ideal man is Siegfried Kircheis, masculine and beautiful.
But there are certainly women who get off to some degree on feminine males, especially treating them like dolls to crossdress them.

>>40985261
So you know what an outlier is? It means it's a rare occurrence, 8-9 years is still so rare as to be outside the standard decision by almost 2 decisions, meaning less than 2 percent. 5 years old being the rarest.

Then you start acting like they're all being raped and then forced to carry that child. All of which is just speculation and relief heavily on "won't someone think of the children" moral panic and you compound that by assuming they are the victim of rape and thus granted expanded priority over another life.

Then you assume people in healthcare would simply ignore that someone's health is under threat.

You are everything wrong with feminism.

feminism is a broad church, there are feminists that support trans people and there are feminists that want us all dead

>>40985319
nta but do you think a foetus should ever be prioritised over the parent lmao

>>40985306
cis women get off to masculine males trying to be feminine as the contrast makes them look even more masculine

>>40985345
I think they should be given equal priority to save their life. If it comes down to a decision that chooses one over the other it should be as a last resort. At that point then it should be up to the people whose bodies are on the line. Or if not possible, someone who reasonably represents those interests nominated by the people whose bodies are on the line.

Do you not understand that we still do medically necessary terminations and we make that decision with the due seriousness.

>>40985364
idk, my ex gf clocked my AGP one time (although neither of us knew the term) when she offered to crossdress me and I gave a flustered non-response. Since then she would tease me whenever I used feminine avatars in online games or would imply I should self-feminize in general.
She 100% knew I was into that, but had repressed feelings about it.

>>40985319
You think there are many pregnant 9 years olds that were not molested by much older people?
8-9 is pretty standard age to start periods these days, its considered completely normal.
So would you force a little kid carry their rapists baby? You are not answering.

>You are everything wrong with feminism.

Protecting exisiting children is whats wrong with feminism :D you pretend to care about kids but you only care about boys.

>>40984217
>upside down cross
>how could this be so hateful?
It's a mystery.

>>40985384
equal priority to save their life? why? why do you care about a foetus so much?

>>40985436
st. peter's cross

>>40985436
cross of saint peter you fool

>>40985445
Cause its the only way he can imagine to have some power over women. He hates childred clearly, since he sees that one 5 year old forced to carry her molesters baby as completely just.

>>40985415
>We need abortion at will and to be given unilateral power because children are being raped
Please just stop talking now. I'm not your therapist
>>40985445
Healthcare is the job. Not to pick whose life is more important.

>>40985483
>Healthcare is the job. Not to pick whose life is more important.
you're just dodging the questions

>>40985534
Of course he is not answering since the answer is that he only cares about boys and hates little girls

>>40985483
Just stop lying that you care about children, you clearly don't

>>40984645
I do find it funny that the one (1) radfem who has done actual praxis as opposed to just writing shitty books and news columns is trans inclusive

>>40984323
>The problem is simply the number of bigots that hide behind feminism and will gesture towards second wave thinkers they themselves have never read or have any real interest in.
This is basically all modern political movements though. Socialists don't read Marx or Lenin really care about them, rightoids don't actually read Spengler or Evola or really care about them, and feminists don't actually read Dworkin or Raymond. If this disqualifies people from actually being ideologues then basically no one is an ideologue since no one cares about reading anymore.

>>40985684
You need to make those books into a series of tiktok videos

>>40985534
No, that's literally the answer. It's not our job to pick who is more important. More so, no one has that right to judge which life is more important as a simple matter of course.
>>40985644
>>40985640
You're insane.

>>40985709
Living, air breathing children who are out of their mothers wombs are of course more important than a 1mm sack of cells with no brain or hearbeat, only an absolute psycopath would think otherwise. Try harder pretending that you can feel any empathy towards children.

>You're insane.

Clearly thats you. You have typical antisocial opinions.

>>40985797
>Only difference between the two is timing
You're the psychopath for ignoring that to justify killing a human because it's not flipping your burgers yet.

>>40985808
Its not a human, hope this helps. thankfully you will never have a child of your own to abuse and torment.

>>40985709
you didn't answer my questions though
seems like bad faith

you don't need a right to judge to pick between a foetus and the parent

there are no magical rights to life no matter how complicated your method of grouping things is
the only question I would ask if how much do you actually care about foetus', I really don't care about them, I wouldn't deny somebody's bodily autonomy in order to keep one alive, it's simple

>>40985833
It is a human, you're just blocking that out with shitty justification.
>>40985884
I did answer the question, you asked it in bad faith as a one or the other answer was the only way to answer

>>40985896
You sure do. That's a human.

>>40986019
And just going to ignore that logic could be used to end your life now because someone arbitrarily decided you weren't of value?

>>40986109
>I did answer the question, you asked it in bad faith as a one or the other answer was the only way to answer
I asked you
>why do you care about a foetus so much?
I really don't think it's equal priority to save both lives either

>>40985200
>It's not public yet somehow you just know?
nta but you absolutely nailed them here and they completely sidestepped it lmao. good work anon im genuinely impressed by how you handled this.

when agp autism freaks started forcing themselves in everywhere

>>40986123
prove you need a right, I can show you plenty of examples of people that have picked who lived and who dies, will you argue they all had a "right to judge"? where is this mysterious thing located?

>>40986135
you don't need to use logic to end my life, a home invader could just do it, they wouldn't need to examine the moral quandaries, killer kill, they do it all the time, pretending there is inherent value to "life" is no shield

>>40986019
Rights aren't a force field, they are normative "ought" statements.

>>40986195
Oh, sorry, I figured the fact it was a life would need to be specified because it's possibly obvious. My mistake giving you the benefit of assuming you were human.
>>40986206
Considering that their arguments have become more and more appeals to emotion that devolved into personal attacks. It's pretty obvious they're not working off of fact.
>>40986219
You act like people doing it suddenly makes it right. People have done all sorts of horrifying things, doesn't make it okay. Your moral relativism is pretty disturbing.

>>40986260
which are fundamentally based on what?

>>40986260
Then the argument is moot. People will do what they do.

>>40986274
Other normative statements.

>>40986270
>You act like people doing it suddenly makes it right
I don't much rate this kind of argument, what do you mean I'm acting like that? that I didn't say it, but you'd like it if I did? I didn't say it. I don't believe it.

>>40986279
lmao turtles all the way down

>>40986296
>lmao turtles all the way down
On the contrary, by engaging in argumentation with me you praxeologically presuppose the norm of self-ownership.

>>40986270
lots of things are alive, why do you care about foetus' so much in particular?

>>40986308
nope

Alice and Lilith quit bickering nobody cares

>>40986329
you care

>>40986331
I care about you only

>>40986329
Sorry, I just had to put the moral nihilists in their place.

>>40986339
which is on top of you I guess

>>40986349
you'd love your opponent on top of you, wouldnt you? slut

>>40986331
>>40986338
Now kiss fags

>>40984234
I hope you understand what it's like to have your rights taken away someday

>>40988660
We have you stupid breeding hole.