Transphobes have always said "it's gay for men to date trans women" but even on /tttt/ I'm seeing that sentiment lately. Even from people who see trans women as women, and it as gay/lesbian for them to date each other. What gives? I've seen some straight trans women also say this with the caveat that SRS doesn't make it gay...but that seems like a cope given how male sexuality works (they just want to rut).Why the switch up even in trans spaces?
amab + amab = gay
>>40992831just going out on a limb, it's probably a form of innocent/myopic unawareness that comes from not *really* viewing us as the gender we are deep down, so for allies it's just another step in the process of being patient with people and helping them think through it and cross that hurdle
>>40992831No trans women are women
>>40992831if they look like men yes. if an AMAB looked like John Cena but identified as a woman, it would still be pretty fucking gay to date that person.
>>40992884I don't know why people don't use the Bailey Jay and Buck Angel analogy anymore
>>40992831Its homosexual to date males with a penis. Its straight to date males with a vagina
>>40992913SRSoid cope or FtM grifting?If the guy's sucking a trans woman's penis or whatever yeah that's gay. If he's just receiving fellatio or still fucking her and ignoring the penis entirely it's fine.
>>40992895Buck angel is old as fuck, try some twink ftm rather. I think its hetero if an ftm has a vag (they mostly do) but reality is that people into transes have to be kinda bisexual
if you have a dick and have sex with someone else with a dick, it's gay.post-op it's straight because you're having piv sex which is heterosex.
>trans women are women>chasers are gayIt can only be one or the other, girls
>>40992918>he's just receiving fellatio or still fucking her and ignoring the penis entirely it's fine.Still gay. Vag is needed for hetero sex. Hetero means differrent genitals, homo means same. If you like girls with penis you are gay, if you like girls with vagina (srs included) you are straight. Its not that difficult. Lots of people are just very insecure about being called gay
>>40992937Trans women who have fully transitioned are women :) there would be no bathroom panic if all trans women had srs. Its not these girls that public is afraid of but rapehons with their dongs
>>40992952>there would be no bathroom panic if all trans women had srslol have you just never seen Charlotte Clymer type hons? SRS isn't the issue here
>>40993005They are no threat. Women feel comfortable with other people that have a vag. You see how no girl is scared of the idea of having to share a space with an ftm? Same concept.
>>40992831Tired of telling you niggas it's bisexual. Trannies are inherently intersex, attraction to trannies is inherently bisexual. That's the end of it.
>>40992940What is this Catholic cope lmao. Try telling a guy he's gay for getting a fellatio from a woman because it's not vaginal sex and he'll smash your face in.
>>40993047Besides Clymer I've seen other 40 year old jobs who clearly had SRS and women weren't more comfortable with them. It's transnness and being clocky in general that makes them uncomfortable.Yeah this guy with a Norwood 4 but a perfectly flat genital area is totally fine and won't be misread as even more of a fetishist than a hypothetical passpoid who didn't get SRS.
>>40992831If they have a penis it's definitely gay.Post op, not gay.
>>40993059If a guy is getting oral sex from amab with a penis, he is being gay. Sad if that makes some people act violent. Homosexuality is not a sin or something to be ashamed for
>>40993076Is it gay for a man to date a cis woman and receive fellatio?Is it gay for a man to date a nonop and receive fellatio?Is it gay for a man to date a post-op and receive fellatio?Why, if we're controlling for the fact that the vagina isn't in the picture in each of these.
>>40993047FTMs are like half the size of Clymer, whether they have Tdicks or not. Someone like Clymer or Gamestophon is gonna scare women whether they have dicks or not.
>>40993070Its true. Women view other people with same genitals as one of them and are not scared. What is that ugly looking trans woman with a vagina going to do to women? Nothing. No penis, no scared women.
>>40993070Insane cope and dare I say straw man, obviously a gigahon freak will make anyone uncomfortable but on the whole people would be much more accepting in general if all trannies had srs. You're being purposefully obtuse either from being terminally online or a low income non op, I'm not sure, but either way kys
>>40993097It is in the picture. A person with a cock between their legs is sucking you off. That's gay.You're not too bright are you?
>>40993097Vagina + penis = not gayPenis + penis = gayIt seems like you are insecure about yourself. Why does it matter to you if people view you as gay?
>>40993102>>40993103They're not gonna inspect a gigantic hon's genitals, they're gonna avoid them.
>>40993115Better wear tight yoga pants if you are a gigahon with srs, problem solved in sexy style
>>40993102Do they think gay men are threats? They still have dicks.Do they do penis inspection day on all women? No? Women aren't going to have this intimate knowledge of someone's body casually.>>40993103Nobody is walking around doing genital inspections. Women don't perceive me as a threat because I'm not interested in them sexually, but I'm also not showing off a bulge (I don't have one). As with gay men they can tell if you desire them or not>>40993110What if their dick wasn't out or wasn't in one's field of view?>>40993114Because it's ridiculous. I've known men who physically were not interested in me prior to transition and were after. If they were gay, even lying about it, their body would show that through but it didn't.Moreover of I identify as gay, everybody gets mad at me. Gay men laugh me out of their spaces. Trans women don't want me in their spaces either. So where do I belong? Am I just doomed to be ostracized as I've always been for being gay?
>>40993103The cope is the other way, nobody will ever recognize an ogrehon as a woman.
>>40993128That's the exact scenario I was describing. Women still aren't amenable to the balding job I was talking about who obviously had SRS and a flat crotch. She's still a gigahon and still obviously likes women and women still aren't comfortable with her!
>>40993145*Hon
>>40993136Men into you are gamps, not straight.And gay men have no business in women exclusive spaces. If you want keep your peen, know your place and don't expect to be treated as one of the girls.
>>40993138There are cis women who look giant and masculine, women are not scared of them. Its no different to srs gigahon desu
>>40993160You'd have a point maybe if they were exclusively gamp, but in this particular scenario he's not. He's not even into trans women broadly.
>>40993174Do you seriously believe height is the only thing that would clock a hon? That there are no other physical differences between them and cis women? Are you autistic or
>>40992831tttt has always been more transphobic than most trans spaces, to be fair. until tumblr is calling straight dudes gay for dating trans women i’d pump the brakes on saying this is happening in “trans spaces” in general
>>40993174>There are cis women who look giant and masculinepost one
>>40993199Gamps are not exclusive to trans women, they get aroused by cis women and a bit by cis men also, just more by trans women than any other group. Actual hetero men do not have much arousal to trans women or cis men
>>40993736Its not transphobic to be realistic and say that a fully transitioned trans woman is a woman and someone who does not want to actually be a girl (have a vag and all that) but want to keep their penis is not one
>>40993005the issue is looking too creepy and tranny Women are fine with the most masculine men in their spaces if that man is gay, it's not a matter of pass, it's a matter if that AMAB is a tranny or not
>>40993815Women are not fine with gay men in their exclusive spaces. Gay men are often misogynistic and think that cause they are gay its ok for them to fondle womens bodies without permission.
>>40993840they are more fine with gay men than tranniesthe hierarchy of women spaces always go like thisStraight women>kids>feminine gay men>bi/lesbian women>masculine gay men>straight trannies>lesbian/bi trannies
>>40993857Thats not true at all its people with vagina>other people
>>40993779I'd get a vagina if it meant I could be impregnated and it was fully functional.SRS is a far cry away from that. It just creates a hole that can be fucked and removes a bulge. If you're splitting hairs over semantics (oh you're not REALLY a woman because you don't have a vagina), I could also argue (I don't believe this, but my point is to, make a point) that SRS isn't a real vagina, but a coarse, superficial attempt at one. But biologically it's not one, and therefore you're "still not a woman." You're just calling it one, the same way I'm calling myself a woman. It's just semantics and doesn't change the "actuality" that you're someone assigned male at birth trying to be more comfortable with your body, and would like to be perceived as a woman, as I am. You can at least argue secondary sexual characteristics like fat redistribution and boobs are organically what they purport to be.Great for people for SRS sates, but it wouldn't me.This doesn't mean I'm not dysphoric or that altering my body being perceived as a woman doesn't make me a lot more comfortable.>>40993761He's not aroused by cis men.
>>40993110>A person with a cock between their legs is sucking you off. That's gay.What a load of bullshit.
>>40993925>He's not aroused by cis men.Even straight men get small reaction to their genitals when seeing gay sex. Vice versa for gay men. If that man was not gamp he would not be having sex with you. Cope with it.
>>40993925>Essaying about the same tired cope talking pointsJust admit you're too poor to go to thailand jesus christ. My bf nutted in me this morning and it took him 3 minutes to cum.But yeah, your flacid, estrogenized weird cock-on-a-woman is totally real and valid and better.
>>40993925You are just transphobic. Srs is a vagina and your penis makes you a non woman. You are happy with living as a tranny but some of us want to live as women. We are not the same.
>>40993936Ok so he's a straight man by your own admission unless your claim is actually unfalsifiable. >>40993937I don't need to seek sexual validation from /tttt/ users. I'm comfortable with my body overall (I actually do want an orchi when I can afford it). I'm fine with the sex I have with my butt and nipples. What bothers me is the invalidation, the adamancy, the unwillingness to consider there are people similar to but a bit different from yourself. You have poor theory of mind. You're no different from a cis male autist mansplaining and talking over a woman. I'm not going "haha I can make my bf cum WITHOUT a vagina" or reveling in it it's just like. Ok? You do what you're comfortable with, why can't I do what I am. If I'm okay with myself, who the hell are you to get mad at me for that.
>>40993951Are you slow? I'm not even saying I don't think of SRS as a vagina, but that you *could make the same argument* that "well you're not REALLY a woman" from semantics, and that that's stupid. That's my whole point.
>>40993951This anon is correct.>>40993961We are not the same.
>>40994017Do you have serious reading comprehension issues because that's not what I was arguing. Are you a zoomer?I know we're not the same. That's my point. My condition is coarsely similar even if we diverge in some points. A trans woman who doesn't get FFS is still a trans woman. SRS is no different. Different people are different and their condition may manifest differently, they may have different wants and desires. And that's ok.
>>40994035No.We undergo surgery and take hormones to look and feel like our identified sex and gender.You stick your penis inside a woman and call it lesbian sex.You aren't trans, you're just a perverted fucking freak who is willing to cut his balls off but doesn't want a vagina because it wasn't created in a womb.You are a huge retard. No I am not a zoomer, I'm a tranny who mogs you.
>>40994088>We undergo surgery and take hormones to look and feel like our identified sex and gender.That's exactly what I did. I've had FFS and I take hormones. >You stick your penis inside a woman and call it lesbian sex.I have only had sex with men with myself as the receptive party. I would sooner kill myself than have sex with a woman. You're making up a guy, to the point where you ignore literally the words I'm saying, to demonize him instead of actually engaging with me or my argument.
>>40994088Which isn't even the real reason btw. It's because men will do and say anything to avoid losing their penis
>>40994095I just have gay-male-esque vaginal disgust. That being said, I'd still do it if it were functional and if I could be impregnated. But SRS doesn't currently offer that. I don't use my penis for anything other than peeing. What is so demonic about that?
>>40994093You have no argument, AGP freak. You already lost the second you typed a wall of anti trans talking points defending your insane cope about being a trender.The fact that you claim to only have sex with men as the receiver is even more pathetic. So you rinse out your asshole everytime you want to have sex? When there is a vaginoplasty surgery available?Kys nigger
>>40993961He is not straight. He is gamp, which is bisexual.
>>40994093It's typical with these types. If you don't want to invert your penis and delude yourself into thinking it's a vagina you are fake trans even though jeeps are more likely to get the surgery because they are attracted to women/vagina and wouldn't mind a fake one there
>>40994110>You have no argument, AGP freak. You already lost the second you typed a wall of anti trans talking points defending your insane cope about being a trender.I don't know if you're being obtuse on purpose or what but for the third time, my point is that those are really stupid points! I don't agree with them! They're ridiculous and transphobic, and you are behaving in the same way, by way of analogy. What about analogies do you not get, or do you actually get it and are you just desperate to demonize me. >The fact that you claim to only have sex with men as the receiver is even more pathetic. So you rinse out your asshole everytime you want to have sex? When there is a vaginoplasty surgery available?Yes, I enjoy anal and have since I first started masturbating. I brush my teeth before I eat breakfast. I shower before I leave the house. It's not a big deal to me. Might be to you but I don't really care. What's wrong with pursuing what I'm most comfortable with WRT my gender and sexuality?>>40994133Please don't be transphobic.>even though jeeps are more likely to get the surgery People love throwing this baseless accusation around. Pony up with a source or shut up.
>>40993951>Srs is a vaginalol. lmao.
>>40993961You are not a woman. Women don't have penis>>40994093You are having gay sex with men while I have hetero piv with my bf>>40994103Yes, you are not a woman, not like me who wants to be as close to cis as possible. You are a transgender, I am a transsexual. I am changing my sex while you just skinwalk women for their appearance. You have disgust for female sex yet want to be treated as one. Its really weird desu.
>>40994152Women don't have inverted penises either.
>>40994133How can you pretend to be a woman if you have a penis and a "gay man repulse reaction to a vagina"You are literally just larping
>>40992831>dating trannies BECAUSE they have a dickgay>dating trannies DESPITE them having a dickkinda gay still but mostly straight >dating trannies ONLY after they have SRSstraight
>>40994156Mine is a vagina and women have that. I had a sex change.
I'm talking like a homophobe - If you knew: yes. If you didn't know: no. Fuck knows how I put it that way, but now live with it.
>>40994152>You are not a woman. Women don't have penisOk. I'm a femboy then. Doesn't change that I get gendered as a woman in real life.>You are having gay sex with men while I have hetero piv with my bfFor the sake of conversation, let's say I am. Why are you so homophobic? What's wrong if I like gay sex and want to larp as a woman and trick "straight" guys? He doesn't consider it so and is willing to larp with me. That makes me happy.>Yes, you are not a woman, not like me who wants to be as close to cis as possible. You are a transgender, I am a transsexual. I am changing my sex while you just skinwalk women for their appearance. You have disgust for female sex yet want to be treated as one. Its really weird desu.Weird isn't a moral judgement. I'm just outside the bounds of normality. And that's okay.
>>40994170>Mine is a vagina and women have that.That's a lie you tell yourself. I don't care that you do, but it's objectively a lie.
>>40994160Do you want me to post my HRT or show you my erodoujin collection which completely excludes vaginal sex? How can I prove to you I'm being quite serious?
>>40992831As a chaser who doesn't try and fool himself, yes it's at least a little gay.
>>40994138Transphobic how? and male attracted males have an aversion to piv sex you can look it up yourself. actual HSTS are not getting srs and the self proclaimed ones who do are meta attracted
>>40994198I don't care about that but it proves that you are no transsexual woman. Seems more like a gay man skinwalking women to attract mates.
>>40994148The penis and vagina come from the same thing and are made from the same material. SRS just puts it back how it was/would have been. It is no longer a penis anymore because that material has been reused in labia ans vaginoplasty.Chuds and trenders lost. Designer pussy is the future of trans.
>>40994209That's some delicious cope you just wrote, still doesn't mean you have a vagina, and certainly you're not fertile in any way.
>>40994160You can have bottom dysphoria without inverting your penis and pretending it's the real thing. Until you can get a uterus implant you are larping as well.
>>40994188Nothing wrong with gay sex, just stop pretending its straight. You seem homophobic cause you have such an desire to mask penis x penis sex as hetero. Be real, and stop coping.
>>40994202It sounds like a clinic.
>>40994208When I went to gaygen they called me a tranny and told me to get the fuck out. I don't know what to tell you. I wish people weren't so hostile to me, it's hurtful. I transitioned primarily because I didn't like masculinity, but being suddenly attractive to men whereas not even gays wanted me before was a nice bonus. I've always been treated like garbage for being perceived as gay, now I can at least pretend to be a woman and receive less ire from society at large because I pass. Why wouldn't I do this>>40994205Please provide a source on all those claims. I'm serious, I'd like to know the reality of the situation and I haven't been able to find it after Googling. >>40994227All I'm saying is that the guy I'm dating wasn't interested in me prior to transition. We don't have penis x penis sex, he doesn't touch or even look at my penis and I wouldn't date him if he did.
>>40994220I have a vagina and men have loved it :)>>40994224You cannot have real bottom dysphoria if you have "gay-male-esque vaginal disgust"
>>40994220My diagram from an anatomy textbook is cope?I think you're the one coping my friend. Lmao
>>40992831who cares. nothing matters. if you find someone you love you should embrace them and make sure they know you love them. if you're too worried about if you're gay or not dating someone you like then you're a faggot
Jeeps will always have a chip on their shoulders regarding hussies, since women treat hussies as part of the tribe even before they transition.
>>40994224>>40994220So women who can't get pregnant are larping and coping? Sound reasoning you got there.
>>40994247>You cannot have real bottom dysphoria if you have "gay-male-esque vaginal disgust"When I was a teenager and I got nocturnal emissions I'd view it basically like being raped. I hated even getting hard to the point I'd wear a chastity cage to prevent even the possibility. I've reflexively slapped men from trying to touch my genitals. I think vaginas are gross, but I also don't like having a functional penis. These two things aren't mutually exclusive. Hormone replacement therapy has made them atrophy and they don't bother me because they don't do anything. I practically forget I have them now.
>>40994237Its almost like having a feminized male body with a penis is not ideal for most people. You either go all in to the other side (women) or stay in between space (you)
>>40994258No amount of mental gymnastics is gonna protect that fragile self-concept of yours, anon. I'm not even gonna grill you anymore cause I'd feel bad about it.
>>40994263This would matter if you're trying to fuck someone, absolutely, but why should it matter platonically? I'm not trying to fuck gay men or trans women, so why do they both treat me like shit just for existing as I'm most comfortable?
>>40994266"I've lost this argument, I better withdraw with some faggy reason to save face."Yeah kys retard.
>>40994262Yet you rather have your penis than a pussy. Thats not bottom dysphoria. You are also misogynistic in the way you describe womens genitals, not very transsexual from you
>>40994276>Yeah kys retard.Angry moid energy.
>>40994237https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20576388/#:~:text=ROI%20analysis%20showed%20that%20negative,of%20homosexual%20and%20heterosexual%20men.Gay males have disgust response to PIV sexHSTS are supposedly gay men but getting bottom surgery leads to PIV so it's either meta attraction or agps who do this because real homosexuals are not gonna want piv sex
>>40994279Like I've said three times, I'd still go with the latter if it were more than superficially functional. I want to have a baby. I'd choose that in a heartbeat were it an option.SRS doesn't let me have a baby, it just lets me have penetrative sex (which I can already do?). Aesthetically my genitals are so small that I don't even have a bulge in anything other than like, leggings or yoga pants, so that's not even a draw for me. It's more that I don't like my penis and don't consider it a sex organ. On HRT it's more like my appendix, I just don't think about it at all. Doesn't bother me anymore.I do want an orchi though when I can afford it. >>40994296>HSTS are supposedly gay men but getting bottom surgery leads to PIV so it's either meta attraction or agps who do this because real homosexuals are not gonna want piv sexSo this is conjecture, then, and AGPs disproportionately getting SRS hasn't been demonstrated. It's just honscience. Bailey doesn't consider HSTS as "gay men" (broadly) but as a special subtype of them; the mean gay man is not really interchangeable with a HSTS. I'm a meta-attracted femboy AGP, not a gay man, and not HSTS because I don't want a vagina.
>>40994285The hands of someone deeply hurt by getting owned on 4chan wrote this.
>>40994247Yeah it's mostly meta attracted who would have that but they wouldn't be able to differentiate from gay men in practice.Also gay men and straight women have similar brain structures while straight men and lesbians are similar. This is why hsts's are stereotyped as naturally more fem and transbians act like heterosexual men in every way but appearance
>>40994279>You are also misogynistic in the way you describe womens genitals, not very transsexual from youNo more misogynistic than a lesbian is a misandrist for saying dicks are gross to her. Doesn't mean she hates men, she just doesn't want a dick in her.
>>40994315You type 5 paragraphs at a time with some anime pic maybe that's y people dont like u as well as being a trender
>>40994327I'm trying to clearly articulate myself and those are like, two paragraphs at best and that's pushing it. Because even trying my best, people egregiously contort my words and attack me. I've frequently been talked over and drowned out and I want to do my best to minimize it...it's not pleasant. I'm also not really a 'trender,' I don't know what you'd call me, but I'm someone born male who takes sex hormones and who has had surgery to be more comfortable with my body, and to live life a happily as possible.
>>40994340>People on 4chan are mean to me and I'm a victim
>>40994348People in real life are mean to me too. I don't have any space to exist.
>>40992831It's only straight to date trans women that are feminine with boobs and a neovagina.Otherwise it's gay.
>>40994358Hussies shouldn't come here desu, they get dogpiled by transbians who are like one millisecond away from having a meltdown over narcissistic injury.
>>40994369I'm not a hussy. Right now I'm getting dogpiled by hussies.
>>40994372No you're not. You're very confused.
>>40994322Its misogynistic if you want to pretend to be a woman at the same time
>>40994369Everyone I don't agree with is a transbian!!! I literally only have been attracted to men and have a bf. Cope harder.
>>40994376This person, whom I've been arguing with for most of the thread, is a hussie. >>40994110 >>40994088>>40994378Not really, I don't think there's anything wrong with women having vaginas? I can't control what I want and it's not hurting anybody.
>>40994389>This person, whom I've been arguing with for most of the thread, is a hussie.Now they're not. They're a self-deluded jeep. There are very many. The one in the thread is especially egregiously mentally fucked up.
>>40994389Its literally hurting women when you call their genitals disgusting while wearing their skin. Weird behavior.
>>40994315Not conjecture if a subtype of people have a disgust response they are not going to get a surgery that directly leads to that disgust response. Meta attracted trannies that believe they are hsts is the only answer.if you are meta attracted and still claim to be male then you fantasize of 2 males having sex no? That would align with homosexuality any way you slice it unless I misunderstood and if so please explain.
>>40994415I'm not calling them objectively disgusting, I'm saying they're (sexually) disgusting to me. It's ok for me to not like vaginas if I'm really a gay man, which I am by your own admission.
>>40994398The chud chaser that I emotionally damaged wrote this. Very sad.I love my pussy.
>>40994358Unfortunately since transbians were heterosexuals males who were already accepting of lesbians they face no internal judgment while retaining male4male homophobia they always had.
This thread is driving me up the wall. The overly emotional blogposting femboy who refuses to realize she's the hussy. The my totally analogue fr fr inverted penis vagina is a real vagina and I'm a real girl because men fuck me in a third hole which means that I'm not a jeep; spoiler: she is, in fact.
>>40994557You can stop with the samefagging dude
The lack of self-awareness is monumental.
>>40992861No, transwomen are transwomen, so only the intersex-tolerant/attracted would be there.It's bi
>>40992930That's actually just advanced frotting where you get to rub a dub dub with the INNER gock
The retards in this thread think penile inversion is still what people do.No thai surgeon(read:good)does this as their primary method.
>>40994670I mean it doesn't really matter. Still not appealing to me because it's still a vagina and I can't get pregnant besides.
"Hazel Appleyard" looks like this.
>>40994670eeeewyou mean the POOP CONNECTOR
>>40994727What? But I thought I was icky for having anal sex.
>>40994738YOU MADE A SECOND ASSHOLE AAAAAAA
>>40994727No, I don't.If you're going to have an opinion on something maybe you should know about it first, retard.
I didn't think it would be so exciting to watch LGBT morons fuck.
>>40992831Psyop to destroy the lgbt community from the inside.
>>40992831>Is it gay for men to date trans women?Of course. Just like dating trans men.Now is dating trans men gayer than dating trans women?
>>40995358But I was never accepted into the "gay community" at any point.
>>40992856>amabthe ideology of gender essentialism continues to seep further into our culture and even into our language which acts a vector to further corrupt the people. radical feminists have lost their way in their vitriolic blindness against men, sadly they will only undermine their own hard fought causes. In this blind rage they will hurt all kinds of marginalized groups, including themselves. Falling victim to the social media fueled specter of populistic fascism is such a sad way to go.
>>40992831their proper pronounce is men with titshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSmaDPw6U5A
>>40992831why do they always use gigahons for bait images about this subject?
>>40995766That's a HSTS doll, not a gigahon.
>>40992831yes, it is straight
>>40992831yes, but theres nothing wrong with a little covert faggotry after a bad break up or women get too much for you
>>41000748gay people shouldn't have to hide what they are doing behind crossdressing
>>40992831It may not be gay, but it's definitely not straight.
>>40992930What if you don’t have sex, you just go on a lunch date?
