https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/we-must-not-posthumously-sanitize>Yesterday, while giving a campus speech, far-right activist and anti-LGBTQ+ influencer Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a gunman—another grim marker of how political violence has become a recurring feature of American life. Quickly, political figures and pundits rushed to denounce the killing, as they should. But some went further, valorizing and lionizing a man who built his career on contempt of people he viewed as lesser. Political violence is corrosive and we must not excuse it—killing Charlie Kirk was horrific. But we also must not sanitize the memory of a man who wished harm on those he disagreed with, and who spread a message of hate to anyone willing to listen or pay him to so. We can denounce the violent killing of Charlie Kirk without praising his abhorrent legacy.>Yesterday, Gavin Newsom tweeted that we should “continue the work” of Charlie Kirk and honor his memory. This morning, centrist columnist Ezra Klein published a column titled “Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics The Right Way.” Both paint a portrait of an open-minded Kirk, a man of dialogue and principle. But this is not his legacy. To call for “continuing his work” or to praise how he “practiced politics” is to erase what that work actually was: a relentless campaign of hate directed at LGBTQ+ people, racial and ethnic minorities, and anyone who refused to fall in line.
He didn’t actually hate gay people. He just didn’t want gay people to make being gay their whole fucking identity.
>>41007977Who cares desu newsom is just playing the game as long as dems win the chance we get put in camps goes lower exponentially. I don't take it personally because trannies are a losing issue atm and rightoids are using it to deflect from the economy they continue to make worse
>>41007977They're trying to co-opt him is all. Same way the government killed MLK and then turned his message into something less disruptive.
>>41007999Every single faggot should be killed
>>41008046'arty psyop
>>41008164you chuds are so angry lmao. You act like you knew the guy.
>>41008157>neutralise the rightoids by making their legacies wokeholy fuck that's genius
>>41007977> a relentless campaign of hate directed at LGBTQ+ people, racial and ethnic minoritieswhy is this bad?
>>41008192That you?
>>41008192To be fair they say that line regardless of whoever just got murked
>>41008192>doesn't know that Charlie was a regular poster on /chasergen/
>>41008157I think theres a number of reasons why that wont work and isnt a good ideaThey arent saying "MLK supports us actually" like the US state ,and to a lesser extent other states globally did ,theyre saying "We support Charlie Kirk"Ultimately I dont know why these people would Newsom would shoot himself in the foot like that ,alienating those who hate Kirk (whic inkludes a surprising amount of liberals) while winning over no one who likes him ,as theyll already have a far more right wing kandidate to support
>>41008220Yeah he goes by pantysniffer or something like that Sorry, went*
>>41008157They are nor coopting him they are genuinely mourning. Republicans have lost their minds and are openly calling for war. The democrats are the only ones who support Charlie Kirk's real values of peace and reasonable debate.
He openly welcomed conservative gays. He pointed out that gays can’t spin the Bible to support being gay and Christian. You people are deranged.
>>41008237And they proved that by shooting him and then making videos gleefully celebrating in the aftermath?,
>>41008250>alternative facts
>>41007977Over here in my country the media already called him a far rightwing propagandist and people are mostly talking about how insane Trump cultists are
>>41008259How so? Should I link you to the videos?
>>41008210nope, can't say it is lol>>41008212True, they say that regardless if someone on their side is killed or not>>41008220Oh noo
>>41008261This gives me hope if true. Its good that other parts of the world still have SOME sense.
>>41008261>>41008287>Europeons think free speech is radical and shooting people that express free speech is notWhat a shithole
>>41008303no one said free speech is bad. You're speech can be weaponized though, and that's what Kirk spent his short life doing. He used his power to send out hate and right wing propaganda. It's not just '"opinions" anymore when your words have weight and are indirectly hurting people.
>>41008324He wasn't calling for death to anyone you lying sack of shit.
>>41008324It's crazy leftist are held to higher moral standards despite being less religious and having less of a reason to do so. Conservatives are terrified of being treated how they treat other people
>>41008324>It's not just '"opinions" anymore when your words have weightJust be honest and say that you don't believe in free speech because you clearly don't.
>>41008348You have a stereotype of conservatives in your head that is driving the ship
>>41008348It is moral to rid the world of evilWhoever did this is a good person (assuming it isnt a false flag ,as then theyre a state agent) ,and as a result ,there is no moral hypokrasy
>>41008358Some stereotypes are rooted in truth desu. Actual dem politicians have been killed and you're whining when lefties finally stop deciding to be the bigger person and act like how the right acts
>>41008369i mean yes the world is better off without him but the means have bad implications and I'd rather not say it out loud
>>41008358nta but just look at the results of people who voted for Trump suffering from him.>He's not hurting the right people>There's nothing wrong with my immigrant family, he needs to go after the bad ones>It's good that he's doing tariffs but he shouldn't do it to my industry>Wait he's cutting the wrong subsidies, those ones that I need are the good ones
>>41008345didn't he say something about "gun violence being necessary"? or something like that?>>41008348It's because conservatism is a cult. Theyre Willing to destroy everything and ruin democracy just so they go back to having "traditional values". Religion has taught these people to rely on oligarchs to "save them".>>41008356I believe in free speech, I love having free speech actually. Its the reason we can even have this discussion. I am HOWEVER, against people who use their speech to hurt others (ie introducing bad fighting for laws that discriminate people)
>>41008400It's almost as though the world isn't actually a better place than it was yesterday. Go figure.
>>41008419*(ie introducing laws that discriminate against people)small correction.
>>41008419He said some people dying every year is the cost of the second amendment a few years ago. That doesn't mean he deserved to be murdered.
>>41008447>He said some people dying every year is the cost of the second amendment a few years ago. well, was he wrong?
>>41008447He was fine with other people getting murdered so he could have his guns. Why should anyone care when he ends up getting murdered. He was okay with it
>>41008464Does this mean we all get to carry sniper rifles around now?
>>41008419Essentially yeah. But conservatives have the morality of worms. If they actually released the epstein files and it showed undeniable proof trump was pdfile they'd start arguing how it's actually not that bad. We've already seen people like matt walsh priming their audience for it by talking about women's most fertile age
>>41008261It’s comforting to know sanity exists outside of the u.s.
>>41008464Im fine with people getting murdered by their dogs — so long as I can still have my dog. That’s how life works
>>41008471It's what he would have wanted
>>41008483Are you pretending to care what he wanted?
>>41008472go back
>>41008384>Some stereotypes are rooted in truth desuTrue, but acting as though they are true makes you a bigot.>Actual dem politicians have been killed and you're whining when lefties finally stop deciding to be the bigger person and act like how the right actsSo we should just keep escalating until assassinations are the norm? The Minnesota killing from a few months ago was horrible, you want that shit happening every day?>>41008419Incitement to violence is the biggest and most distinct free speech line to not cross that I HOPE we can all agree on, but here we are. People openly CELEBRATING a political assassination. Where do you think this leads?
>>41008431I think it could lead to good things whether that be escalation of extreme rhetoric or at the very least public figures being more fearful and less reckless with it like things were pre-2016
>>41008487stop raping people please.
>>41008487By that graph, it looks like age of consent is serving an important function.
>>41008487Everyone knows by now that the chart isnt from the study and the study didn't have those results.
>>41008461Maybe he was or maybe his interpretation of the second amendment was wrong. Either way it it doesn't mean he deserved to die. >>41008478>condemning someone for being shot>not condemning THE SHOOTER
>>41008506wtf they condemned him for being shot???let me seeoh no it seems that you were lying weird
>>41008495>escalation of extreme rhetoric>good thingSo let's get this straight. People are celebrating this guy's death, saying the world is a better place because he and his "extreme rhetoric" are gone, reason being..it will result in more extreme rhetoric? I don't think you've thought this through.
>>41008491Not bigotry they choose to have those beliefs "So we should just keep escalating until assassinations are the norm?"No but turn on fox news they are acting like it's a one sided war against conservatives and essentially doubling down on the escalation that's been happening since 2016. Realistically you or I have no control because it's media/politicians doing the escalating
>>41008527typo I meant the latter/deescalation would be good not the escalation but it could go either way(It seems like escalation atm)
>>41008539>turn on fox news Why would I do that? I'm not into hate watching.
>>41008562To study and dissect the rhetoric because every rightoid will repeat the talking points from it. That's how well ran their propaganda machine is
>>41008400>"the means have bad implications"I mean ,ehViolense isnt inherently bad ,its a toolAll that matters is to what end it is used>>41008495>"public figures being more fearful"Right wing figures ,spesifikally>>41008527>""extreme rhetoric" are gone, reason being..it will result in more extreme rhetoric?"Those are the loser libs who arent mentally able to do muc more than reflexively defend the status quo Extreme rhetorik and ideas are bad to them just bekause theyre extreme ,regardless of if whether the extreme thing in question is internment kamps or the eradikation of poverty"It extreme from status quo so it bad">>41008539If it happens enough ,even with kontrol of the state ,the propagandists start to get afraid
>>41008491The left prides itself on subversion and openly exploits the tolerance of others. Making this about "I was acshually the bigger person before I started celebrating assassinations" is not a good look for anyone involved.
>>41008461no he wasnt and if you could conjure his ghost hed still say he wasnt
>>41008583yeah but that only works if there's no retaliation albiet rightoids don't really learn unless their side gets treated the same way they treat others so maybe they learn from this.
>>41008141he thought gay people should be stoned to death
>>41008581I hope you're not following suit with propaganda coming from your own preferred sources. We could all benefit from not being media marks.
>>41008539>Not bigotry they choose to have those beliefsThere's actually some interesting research on this in moral psychology that peoples' moral intuitions are not "chosen", and political affiliation is downstream from moral intuitions. >Realistically you or I have no control because it's media/politicians doing the escalatingCelebrating an assassination is escalating. I hope we can agree it's not right to do.>>41008592Celebrating an assassination is escalating. I hope we can agree it's not right to do.
>>41008141but he's allowed to make being a retard his whole identity?
You guys realize that by eagerly and willingly taking credit for this mossad operation is only gonna normalize trans hatred even further right? All the FBI has to do is come up with a trans patsy and you're done for, mossad would be immediately safe from all scrutiny since chuds will be eager to pile up on a trans individual with no recourse.
>>41008636Therell be retaliation whether or not anything aktually happens thoYou kan just say something extremely obviously false to rightoids ,but if it makes them feel good ,theyll deside its true anywayBesides ,its easy to go after a few individuals ,both the state and the populase kan do that ,its a lot harder for the state to go after leftists as a whole ,without the GestapoIf theyre planning on implementing sekret polise ,they were planning to do it regardless ,and that is also presisely the time when you SHOULD engage in sporadik terrorizm ,kuz the alternative is just laying down and letting them do what they want>>41008674?Where are the trannies taking kredit for it here
>>41008674No trannies here want trans people to get credit glowfaggot
>>41008668Who is actually celebrating. I am glad he is dead in the same way i'd be glad if it was a heart attack or cancer but I don't like the fact it was an assassination and the brutality of it
>>41007977Kirk lived to profit off of hate, fear and misinformation and his death will do more to spread those things than his words ever did. The right will sanitize him and make him a martyr and retard tankies will uproariously celebrate a pyrrhic victory that only serves to move us towards a crueler and more brutal world
>>41008692>>41008693Well, tried to warn you. Have a nice day
>>41008324It’s kind of pathetic that, even with a strawman, you failed to make a decent point. The top panel is just speech. Literally all he’s doing is speaking. The bottom panel is murder. You understand those are different, right? Even using your speech to advocate for murder is still different than actual murder. Please tell me you aren’t so terminally online that you can’t understand that.
>>41008278I'm sure they have them saved.I just think that all of those thousands of people that posted such content should have it delivered to their bosses.
>>41008774>Kirk lived to profit off of hate, fear and misinformationWhere?>>41008730>Who is actually celebrating.https://youtu.be/IoLUY8vM2BE?si=BwSNPsfMGbYcamkUHere are a few
>>41008730>Who is actually celebrating.And morehttps://youtu.be/lZtjvDx6luA?si=GQ-rE8XseHmA-cmK
people who are MEAN should be FIRED
>>41009674>people who are MEAN should be FIREDWasn't that the stance before?>I got misgendered! I'm gonna complain to your boss!
>>41009699so you're the same as the it's maam hon?
>>41009724Not me, but it was flying all over the place.Leftists actually invented cancel culture.I would LOVE to see them on the other end of it.
>>41009565>>41009622>right wing grifters yawn
>>41009752so you want to be the it's maam hon
>>41008841>fake bullshit kill yo self retard
>>41009798Well, I would pass better than you lot.>>41009831>He advocated for stoning them to deathWhen was that?On the day?Can I get the video?
>>41009847Probably Germany where loads of ADF members are mysteriously dying.
>>41009889you're gonna be the it's maam passoid
>>41009792>RetardPretty standard here, I guess.
>>41009932>retardpretty standard from your shithole
>>41009889>>41009870>>41009798>>41009699You are the bad guy
>>41009906Sure thing king
>>41009941When are you going to stop touching little children?
>>41009950I'm happy for you
>>41009941can the right do anything but lie and be evil?
>>41009941ur da bad guy it u i fink u bad
>>41009989The tweet is real you evil liarhttps://x.com/teleteetshirts/status/1965984372575944749?s=46
>>41009941this is based though
>>41010140as I said, you're the bad guy
>>41007977Why was he so hot?
>>41007977Nick Fuentes got his whole career started by having his followers harass Kirk for being pro-gay, pro-trans, and pro-immigration. Whatever it was that he said which got you upset, he was saying it strategically to not lose grip of the conservative youth to more radical figures like Fuentes. The saddest thing about Kirk's death is that he will be seen as the final killshot to republican liberalism. He was unironically on our side in ways you wont understand until we dont have it anymore. Even if the killer turns out to be a far right loon, the lefts reaction to Kirk's death is them snuffing out their own last line of defense.
>>41010237nah nothing ever happens
>>41010237>He was unironically on our sideAre you retarded?
>>41010082and the tweet is of a fake image you evil liar
>>41010325At least he will be able to look down on us.If he looks down a bit harder, he'll see K and bridge girl too.Very reassuring to the soul.
>>41010237fuentes next? thoughts and prayers! <3
>>41010351https://teleteeshirt.com/product/debate-this-diablo-macabre-t-shirts/Site has been up quite a while.
>>41007977To hell with MAGA-tards.
>>41008642He didn't think that. It's just what the Bible says.
>>41010351It's a real tweet, from this company's real twitter account, of an image they really posted. Are you fucking retarded?
>>41010237This.Leftists may not realize, but when Trump leaves office, the various ideologies of the right will be competing to fill the void he leaves behind. Assassinating the moderate "just here to talk" Charlie Kirk already has the more far right folks salivating and gaining ground. "If they killed the guy who just wants to talk, what hope do the rest of us have?" was trending all night. I don't think lefties realize how radicalizing this is, they're creating the boogeyman they think the right is.>>41010380You have an imaginary man in your head
>>41010386They do it in hoody style too.For the boymoders
>>41010400That's why I asked you for the direct link.You have it right there.
>>41010366weird and sus website
>>41010366>>41010386it's a photoshopped picture you fucking evil retards
>>41010380His Israel shilling is what he did for money, and if you hate him for that then you are right to do so. His social beliefs were liberal, and his rhetoric was designed to usher people developing far right views and becoming radical back into a liberal consensus.>>41010325Yes, he was. You are underaged if you dont understand the purpose of right wing liberals.>>41010398pretty much. We are rapidly approaching an era where someone like Nick Fuentes is a moderate, and people like>>41010364 dont get it. They think we can shoot our way back into a liberal consensus and they are basically writing the end of liberalism in stone. The left is basically willing their worst nightmare into existence.
>>41009941
>>41010429Domain:teleteeshirt.comRegistered On:2023-09-12Expires On:2026-09-12Updated On:2025-02-26Status:client transfer prohibitedName Servers:kay.ns.cloudflare.compranab.ns.cloudflare.com>>41010474Literally on their site being advertised.
>>41010523>Nick Fuentes is a moderateIt's true.I'll vote for him.
>>41010523>They think we can shoot our way back into a liberal consensushell no I don't, but I think a few less obstacles in the way of reasoned and evidence-based critical conclusions is a net positive
>>41008642Nah, these are the muslims you support.
>>41009831I've been told he was responding to youtuber Ms Rachel saying "love thy neighbor" is in the bible to support some lefty cause, by saying "stone the gays is also in the bible but we don't follow that to the letter" and dishonest hacks cut it down to sound like he actually supports stoning gays. I'm hopeful the full clip will become popular shortly.Leftists always lie, see this person >>41009989>>41010082who will receive no further (you)s
>>41010523>They think we can shoot our way back into a liberal consensusEvery time I engage with someone I think believes this, by the end of the argument I figure out they are some breed of communist radical who hates free speech, hates liberal consensus, and wants anarchy and war from which their personal radical belief will rise to power. It's literally the normal people vs the crazies.
>>41010535and the image is photoshopped you stupid evil retardyou really can do nothing but lie
>>41010237>In October 2021, Kirk said on his podcast that Democrats wanted Americans to live where "there is no cultural identity, where you live in sexual anarchy, where private property is a thing of the past, and the ruling class controls everything.">he said that Democratic immigration policies were aimed at "diminishing and decreasing white demographics in America."[34][91]>The speech also saw Kirk condemn the Civil Rights Act of 1964, calling its passage a "huge mistake" and alleging that it had created a "permanent DEI-type bureaucracy".[96]>Kirk posted on Instagram in March 2024 that "The 'Great Replacement' is not a theory, it's a reality.">Kirk defended Musk, stating that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."[104]
>>41010617shut the fuck up you lying sack of shit, you were proven to be factually wrong and incorrect and now all you can do is slither back into your evil hole and cry that you've been called out as the liar you are
>>41010696Does a man deserve to die for saying any of this?
>>41010591I know this is bait but even if it wasnt, you dont actually believe it.>>41010651This is true but what they imagine rising from the anarchy is a liberal consensus, some sort of "live and let live" but everyone whos religious or conservative is dead. They dont understand is that when the guardrails of liberalism eventually crumble under the weight of the left's excess, violence, and sociopathy, that they will be the very first thing to go. Even if a communist party were to rise to power, it would be similar to China or Russia, it would completely axe the "left" which is born and bred in Western Liberalism.
>>41010696So what about any of this negates what was said? Or even better, what about any of this is untrue?
>>41010787no he deserves to die for the other stuff he said lmao
>>41010910more impotent seething
>>41010910>I know this is bait
>>41010927Oh so when you said he was "on our side" you were talking about white nationalists, not queer people.
>>41010973The far left radical types are irl baiting, larping themselves into a civil war. The right does it too, that's how civil wars start. Everybody's larping until they're not.
>>41011043Not any of those anons, but yes, conservatives in favor of the philosophy of liberalism, like Charlie Kirk, are closer to the lgbt center than ANYBODY on the far right or far left fringes. And even so, not being "on our side" doesn't mean someone deserves to die.
>>41007977Can you just... not talk about him? Just treat it as random death #127,853 and not mention it at all instead of proving his (and by extension, the rightoid's) point?You've won, he's dead. He's not producing any more wrongthink. Being gleeful over it now just proves the "leftists and lgbt are soulless, demonic beings" mantra, with good reasonJust live your life, it's more than what he can do now.
>>41011082In what way is someone who wants to ban homosexuality and bring back segregation in favor of liberalism?
>>41011116>ban homosexualityHaven't heard anyone say this yet, are you referring to the "stone the gays" thing? See >>41010617>bring back segregationHe made the argument that the civil rights act was a mistake because it required expansive HR and legal departments to maintain, ballooning into a grievance industry that was bad for everybody. He was not in favor of segregation.
>>41011170>He was not in favor of segregation.Did he ever state so?
>>41011231Did he ever state he was?
>>41011241Yea when he said that the law that banned segregation should be repealed
>>41011257Did you miss the part where I explained the law had other unintended consequences he disliked?
>>41011268Well did he ever say that he did like the part where it banned segregation?
>>41011272I don't know, but there's thousands of hours of him debating college kids and everybody else
>>41010237What's crazy is how many trannies don't realize that celebrating the death of a more moderate conservative just makes other conservatives crazier.
omg he was such an ally!
>>41011082>in favor of the philosophy of liberalism"And, again, there is no separation of church and state. It's a fabrication. It's a fiction. It's not in the Constitution. It's made up by secular humanists. It's derived from a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention. Of course, we should have church and state mixed together. Our Founding Fathers believed in that. We can go through the details of that. They established, literally, a church in Congress."
>>41011342Assuming he actually said this (it is believable so I won't check) Historically you don't get to individual liberty without christianity and protestantism putting "God's Truth" in the the hands of the individual, so I forgive people to mix the two as being within the bounds of liberalism, despite that not being my view. He's not wrong about some of the founding fathers. This is like, a regular debate we can have that doesn't mean a person should be killed.
>>41011419HOLY truth what the hell is going on
This thread is a monument to dishonest leftists flagrantly lying and trolling, while normal people try to have a real discussion and find the truth. Never forget that leftists are not liberals, they want to destroy our society and create theirs by any means necessary
>>41012106>Never forget that leftists are not liberals, they want to destroy our society and create theirs by any means necessaryif the liberals realized this it would have saved us a decade of bullshit and queer people would be much better off
>>41007977Nothing of value was lost.
>>41009989bro, it's called a art
>>41007977He created Turning Point USA with kosher money, and paid the price when he decided to have some disagreements with his donors.
>>41012418https://youtu.be/2bEZQ00OOxY?si=jMEt3PNxVcvhuA25
>>41008240except every reference to the gays in the bible can be roughly be translated to "pedophile" and the sin of sodom in the old testament was uncharitableness.
>>41008240What you do have to spin the bible for though is why Jesus would be ok with kicking out millions of CHRISTIAN's and ripping apart families.
Celebrating his death is so retarded. You don't have to like him but making him a martyr (especially considering the current prime suspect) will only amplify any of the bad shit he was already doing. Same token sucking his corpses dick like Newsom is also a really shitty idea. Like most of these guys they're best ignored and forgotten.
>>41012916they flew his casket in air force 2
>>41012920dead soldiers don't get that treatment and those guys weren't even rejected from military academy
>>41012920Yeah thats kinda my point. It's fucking terrifying what they're doing right now. Just do the bare minimum to keep the heat off our backs and keep talking about actually important shit like Epstien, Israel, or OneyPlays
>>41008491>Incitement to violence is the biggest and most distinct free speech line to not cross that I HOPE we can all agree on, but here we are. People openly CELEBRATING a political assassination. Where do you think this leads?Clearly no. You can see quite a few people completely misuse Poppers Paradox on a dude who has a "change my mind" table at a college. As well as others who are deathly afraid of an authoritarian goverment...and their plan is to give the goverment even more power.
>>41007977They will have to repeatedly sanitize his grave.
>>41008636Are you on drugs? You think the big progress in LGBT rights was made by treating the christfags like shit? What kind of insane universe are you living in? LGBT is a minority. It thrives on tolerance, and love. Pushing for open combat is about the worst idea possible.
>>41008730Leftypol, antifacists, PNW rose types. political r/ types. In general, the people who think mainstream republicans are exactly the same as nazis and therefore direct immediate violence is justified. The astroturf makes them look larger than they are, but they're out there.You know people have tried to physically attack him before, right?
>>41010237While you're correct about fuentes, you shouldn't be such a doomer. There's still quite a few ways forward, should we choose to take them.
>>41013045Shut up weaky you're supposed to swallow the Hamas Piker propaganda. You're a revolutionary and you're totally going to win. Now keep being violent so Israel keeps receiving aid.
>>41011094LOL. Half of the entire front of r/ was dancing on the dude's grave. Screenshots of the front of r/ was on the usual suspects on the right an hour later. And even then, I don't think you understand how important he was to the political wonks on the right. He was very likely to become a national republican leader 20 years from now.
The best thing you can do for your country is mourn Charlie Kirk as a victim of Mossad, who brainwashed the perfect distraction shooter to sow hate and division. If that conversation had been allowed to continue, Charlie would have come around to the trans agenda and begun making strides towards peace. The pro-genocide people couldn't let that happen however, and offer him before he could get a response to his (totally not racist!) question
