What I never understand is:Why do male homosexuals, while being 6"4 and rather a truck driver than feminine, not compromis their feelings with another outcome than transgenderism. > Wearing female cloths> Talking high pitched and feminine> Changing masculine behaviour to feminine > Wearing a new style from bottom to topThat all combined maybe with hormones to get a body youre more familiar with is different from the transition and definitively do irreversible surgery to your genitals(I know, this is explained a nit akward in limited words) There ARE transgenders who go for a n whole transition and in cases youre lucky to naturally have features from your opposite/ideal gender but I think from many trans persons out there a big part should be adviced and consider a second opinion which can be a homosexual in a feminine taste for exampleHere on 4chan: you'll notice how cis bigots shit on transgenders but I have to be honnest that a big part of the so called troons should reconsider if the whole surgery process would result in something everybody would understandYour an adult, your body, your choices: agreed but somebody with natural masculine features will have a harder time than someone with natural feminine features. Do you agree? For FtM transgenders it's the same situation however its easier to becom a male with slightly feminine (at birth) features than a the other way aroundWhy don't many transgenders just go for:> Hormones> Change of style/appearance> Change of identity* Without a genital surgery procedure?What is wrong with just changing your style, taking some hormones without genital surgery? This is excluded from general cosmetic surgery ofc. However fat sausage/bimbo lips are disgusting (please be aware)I'm just aksing: why do some individuals go for surgery what don't make them more beautiful at the end? [1/2]
Can it help if andrologists/sexuoligists/other experts study every case seperatly for the exact outcome?If I see another 6"4 transgender (on hormones) with wide shoulders my heart literally breaks. What is wrong with being homosexual with a feminine style?[2/2]
>>41015285>Why do male homosexualsCommon misunderstanding. Gays arent trannies and trannies arent gays, its a different thing. Trannies HAVE to transition or they go crazy and kill themselves. The truck drivers try even though its hopeless because nothing else works
>>41015288Well what is wrong with being transgender? Why are you okey with gays but this crosses a line?
>>41015307I do not deny that transfenderism is serious but than again. There will be a difference between certain kinds of surgery. Why can you not live if you take hormones amd dress feminine the rest of your life. Why is genital surgery (the full surgery procedure) so essential?
>>41015388Because I would hate it if my child (somewhere in the future) goes for a genital surgery. That is irreversible meanwhile you can change a lot of things back of you grow over it and find out it was a phase of confusion. I told you. I know there are transgenders who literally born in the wrong body as soon if they walked. Thats a different situation
I cannot understand that you become suicidal that you want to remove your genitals. Is there not an option to find things out with a psychoatrist in that case? Like I said: I support taking hormones and for FtM transgenders I do understand changing your body with not necessarily means to remove breasts to cup 0. Why not making them smaller and wear sport bra's? I am against the genital surgery part or at least how people remove genitals
>>41015418That surgery is often the last they consider and thought about it for a long time. If we are talking about adults. Many don't even get it
>>41015400frankly, part of it is that i want to have sex and sex is kind of terrible when the main body part you have for sex literally has shit in it. i dont know how gay guys deal w this, starving myself all day any time i want to have sex or just completely rinsing my colon frequently is very unpleasant. also i genuinely just cannot have sex spontaneously, i have to spend a full day prepping.
>>41015441They do talk to a therapist before surgeries like that.
>>41015418this surgery has a lower regret rate than knee surgery lol
>>41015285I am 5’6 with 16 inch shoulders
>>41015400>>41015285are you brown?
>>41015441why do you think about people's breasts and genitalia this much?tarded fucking perv
heres a snapshot of some of my life. i date a nice boy who treats me really well. to anyone else we look like any other couple. my entire life, i am unequivocally female. it has been so long since i was seen as male that i cannot imagine anymore what my life would be like if i were. i love my boyfriend and he loves me.then it gets to the bedroom. as with any other couple i want to have sex with my boyfriend. i love him and i want to share that closeness with him and i have needs. he has needs too. he is on top of me, we're kissing. i start crying. he cannot understand why fully. but i know why! its that my body is screaming for something i cannot do. i like anal well enough but there is something so painful about wanting this man to fuck me, being desperate for him, and having no choice but to be a sodomite about it. the dysphoria i feel is so sharp that all the stuff above about being entirely female evaporates and i am once again no different to the boy i was when i started transitioning however many years ago. i cannot have sex with him. even as he tells me its okay and comforts me i am lying there sobbing and feeling like i am entirely inadequate and that he deserves someone who does not feel this way. the next day i numb myself to this feeling so i can go on living somewhat normally.repeat this process every few days. then tell me you do not want sex reassignment surgery
>>41015474what the fucking hell? where did I hurt you in my comments?
>>41015483No this is the problem. Those who do surgery focus too much on it indeed. My opinionnis that if my child chose for.such a thing Im broken. Than from my own pov (sexual if you will) is it not the sollution cause you basicalaly live with a deformed genital after all
>>41015285>>41015288Dood jezelf, knuppel. Ik ben 193cm en ga echt niet stoppen
>>41015418like >>41015444 says, that's normally the final surgery. i've been on hrt 6+ years, had full legal ID change, laser/electro, and orchi, but i doubt i'll ever get srs. that's the one part of my body i was able to successfully conversion therapy into turning male. i haven't been able to imagine having a vagina without crying for a very long time
>>41015500but is the outcome of that reassingment surgery that you get the desired functional genitals? in your case I'd start with the question is sex just the penetration part or is there more. It means in your case that you want to Top him when you get aroused? Yeah, thats a difficult one indeed. I can imagine that people go for another kind of sex from that point. Not to be rude but can you even penetrate with a FtM genital?In that case: surgery is further innovated than I expected
>>41015589just a question>>41015604>those who do surgery focus too much>b-but these ftms need to keep their heckin breasties because... they just have to... okay?!?!Do you chastize men with gyno the same way? You are a peculiar human being, i want to put you under a microscope
>>41015631Rot op, Dutch is a terrible languageHe said:Kill yourself batton. I'm 6" 7 tall and you wont stop me from transitioningTo reply in EnglishYour choice. I dont think someone your size misfits feminine outfits either.
>>41015674where did I trigger you anon?
>>41015674Why do you rather defom and remove your breast than wearing a sports bra? Im not an expert this is why people A-S-K others
>>41015660wtf? no i do not want to top him lmao. i am a trans woman and i want a pussy so he can fuck me lol i thought that was obvious. sure if i could magickly change my body then great but SRS is the next best thing. you seem to think this surgery has inevitably bad outcomes but everyone i know with it is happy. i've seen a lot of neovagina and it looks fine lol.so yes the outcome of the surgery is, i hope, to get 'the desired functional gentials'. without that sex for me is always upsetting and unfulfilling and it makes it so hard to find relationships
>>41015678Je bent lelijk en bruin. Flikker op uit mijn land, kankerindiaan
>>41015681the only thing that is triggering me right now is that you put every single reply in a different postpress enter then click another reply, it's much easier>>41015688idk possibly to walk around shirtless or not look like a fat butch lesbian with a breast bump (spports bras don't flatten you fully, even with smallest breasts possible)? That seems rather easy to guess anon
>>41015701ow, wait, other way around indeed I missed it. I really dont think that neo vagina's look that good from the pics ove seem but maybe thats because ofc people rahter post horror. Ive been thinking about it for myself. Imagine having a trans girlfriend with original genitals. Do I prefer anal in that case or vaginal missionary and I think sexual interaction is more than pure penetration. Actually penetration os for creating offspring and its pure pleasure but there are more ways to have intercourse than interaction with (my pov) .. kinda deformed genitals.
>>41015733(Je zwarte vader had je niet moeten verlaten)
>>41015733Bro, are you LHBT at all or just here to troll people?
>>41015800He is quite normal to Dutch standards. I hate the social isolation issues we have in the Netherlands. See the result ITT
>>41015780yeah you've seen awful pics of unhealed surgery sites or bodge jobs. i've seen my friends results and they're great lol. you just have a very skewed sample. plus keep in mind the internet hates transsexuals and so the bad examples get pushed to justify peoples disgust at the care we needlike frankly i don't need you to approve of SRS lol because i'll be letting men who know trans women well tap and they know that neovag is finethe reason i want this surgery is because this is a really massive barrier to sex and intimacy and relationships. it makes it almost impossible for me to have a boyfriend long term. its not just because i overly care about penetration. if it were, i'd just let him fuck my ass. which i often do!its that having sex with my body as it is makes me so dysphoric that i cannot tolerate it
>>41015733> IndieerIndiaan(Raketgeleerde, 100%)
>>41015792Je kankermoeder>>41015800Ben mtf
>>41015848True, here on 4chan all the "troon" haters/dilate troon fuckers share the 1 week post surgery photos to justify hate towards trans people. Which is another argument than Ice read ITT about suicide and than again would surprise me that genitals work like genitals at birth post surgery but cannot judge if I don't know anything Abt it.
>>41015856Bro, kan je niet even still zijn fucking kind. Niemand vind je hier interesant net zoals al die kinderen van school die je telkens pesten
>>41015856Een half racistisch/autistische mtf zonder vriendjes en vriendinnetjes(Je gaat het nog zwaar krijgt en)Was je handen man, ranzige hobo
And than again. Since we don't preform bone replacing facial surgery there is a change that your masculine bone structure will not change. Meaning, how many meds you take won't change the fact that you have male features which won't change by transitioning. That's actually what besides the genitals something is what you cant change regardless
>>41015938Halfbloedje en toch meer Nederlands dan jij ooit zult zijn, je kan geen eens Nederlands
>>41015925the median srsussy (and that's counting wpathtrannies who rely on public healthcare surgeons without any research into results) looks like a flat, kinda ugly pussy. It works, it's not the best, but it usually satisfies both them and their partners.top 20% looks like the better results on r/trans surgeries or whatever that sub was named. Basically pornstar pussy, has some mild defects, but they are fixed with a revision usually.In order to get a really shit result you need to have at least several of these things>get a shit surgeon>be obese>be old>be so much of a no-effort hon that the doctor refuses to give a shit>smoke/smoke weed>have a shitty healing factor>don't adhere to healing manual in any way possible>don't go to the doctor after you see something that concerns you and only decide to go to the er after it worsens (mental retardation)>manually damage it during early healing (which is hard to do unless you completely lack the ability to feel pain)at least that's what i've managed to notice from looking at botched srsussy posters. Even kathy rumer butchery victims had okay looking srs if they weren't obese
>>41015976Modderbloedje bedoelde je. Getverdemme. Loop een touw en shh
>>41015990Godverbloedkanker spleetogen telefoon. Krijg een beroerte met je autocorrectie
>>41015979i was the anon OP was talking too. will add that of the median srsussy results, most could be that top 20% looks wise with some cosmetic revisions done later. its just most of those are low effort trannies who don't bother.
Jessie Maya ziet er gewoon prima uit. Ik ben een top flikker die transitie is ingegaan en heb geen spijt. Ik leef m’n wildste dromen uit wanneer ik mannen penetreer met m’n venus
>>41016032Nee, niet mee eens alhoewel ze wel een oke stem heeft maar laat ik het dan vanuit een hetroman zeggen. Misschien ziet er voor vrouwen onderling met al haar makeup oké uit. Als man vindt ik haar dus nou een voorbeeld van waarom je het niet moet doen.
>>41016012Its important indeed how much effort you put in yourself and again I just judge from a guys pov who created this post based on maybe not the best examples. I also think, not sure how that works, that yes indeed that will result in how people general think about transgenders. Ive seen a few at least without genital suegery who ARE attractive to me to my suprise
>>41016098(Source reddit)*she is not low effort fyi but I do think that she is too large
And thats contradictory cause I like tall female. Just a few cm taller than my 1.78 on heels is perfect
