any other tranners here identify as libertarians?
>>41016181i used to be, then i actually read libertarian literature and realized libertarianism kinda sucks and none of the party practices what they preachnow im more of a socialist
>>41016181move to nigeria if you love libertarian shitholes with crappy roads
>>41016221>>41016181the video that changed my opinion https://youtu.be/Xa_7XwpH5NA?si=5f2hNwA0p3xZ8S3o>>41016226hurr durr we'll just put treads on our cars who needs roads? or healthcare? workers rights?i say we need more private tolls and parking lots for our mega malls (okay mega warehouses now)
Cringe
>>41016245imagine linking a vaush video as evidence,Real libertarians dont read these fake ass fascist larper books. I can be a libertarian without buying into all fake libertarians that are fascist that larp as libertarians, fake libertarianism.
I'm like a moderate conservative or something more than an actual libertarian, but at some point I realized I'm just retarded and politics isn't worth it
>>41016181>>41016264i bet this nigga imagines being a trans girl in military fatigues, COD brain rotted late zoomer shit>>41016274not really evidence just showing off cringe lolbertarian and asking why you wanna share a party with Ayn Rand of all people
>>41016274https://youtu.be/oLlPQYi0GMA?si=n6VW3WgHmZ_elXi0
>>41016181Yeah I doWhere do you stand on Keynes vs. Hayek?Heemeyer vs. GranbyJorgensen vs MacAfee
>>41016381no idea who any of those people are desu, but generally i hate corporations, my libertarianism is about the individual
>>41016181I used to be for some time, now I dont believe in the ethics that libertarians try to push but Im anarcho-capitalist/minarchist due to utilitarianism. I dont care about politics nowadays, just make fun of the social aspect of rwingers and the economic aspect of lwingers. also its genuinely impossible to talk to leftists of first world countriesthe main objective of anyone should be the opposition of the state, doesnt matter if right or left
>>41016410i agree people should pick themselves up by the bootstraps but how can they do that when most people cant afford string or the boots to begin with?
>>41016181fuck no lmao
>>41016181been there, done thatmy incel phase is long over
Libertarianism doesn't exist, it's an umbrella that people use to hide their actual beliefs.
Not a tranner but yeah. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like there is going to be any good faith discussion here about that, with stale arguments and a general air of enmity. I actually try to respect other points of view, as long as the people behind them practice the same level of respect. I strongly suggest picking up "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt to anyone wishing to discuss politics more fairly and empathetically.
>>41016181Yeah when I was 13 and a fucking moron who didn't know anything except that both parties were clearly awful>>41016221Many such cases >>41016410>I'm a libertarian who's against corporationsFamalam I say this with love but that's fucking retarded. You can't stop capital from accumulating under capitalism, that's sort of an inevitable byproduct of how commodity production works. Capitalism is just this at the end of the day:Capitalist A uses amount of Money M to buy the factors of production needed to produce commodity C, and then sells commodity C at market for a price at which more money is made than was invested, M'. Obviously not every individual capitalist can secure M' money, but capitalism only works because profit is possible. And the problem is that there's only 1 factor of production you can 'cheat' out of proper compensation consistently: labor. Arbitrage on raw materials cannot consistently secure profits, only arbitrage on labor can. Thus capitalism is foundationally built on exploitation in addition to capital accumulation.
