So, does this mean we are finally at the point where I don't have to call a man in a dress a "she", or are we still *doing that*?
No we need to come together and broker peace. It's what kirk and floyd would have wanted
>>41022523peace will only come when people can call others by their apparent birth sex determined by their chromosomes
>>41022565That wouldn't bring peace though. Unfortunately the bolt action round does not concert itself with the marketplace of ideas
>>41022565you can call people whatever. you can call random people on the street stupid inbred looking idiots. the law does not stop you. i support your right to misgender people free from legal consequences. no one is right to hurt you, even if you do piss them off. however you cannot be a rude piece of shit to your coworkers or fellow students because school and work are polite, professional areas. well, you can, but you won't be welcome.so are you upset that you cant be rude to people? what purpose do you have for purposefully, after someone informs you of their situation, calling people by their genitals aside from trying deliberately to hurt or irritate them? explain what you want to do and why
>>41022603It most certainly would bring peace because it would allow people to speak their mind, and honor their perceptions, and not simply be bound to arbitrary rules about dress and grooming determining identity instead of bone structure.
>>41022493> So, does this mean we are finally at the point where I don't have to call a man in a dress a "she", or are we sti-ACK!
>>41022725So would you mind me following you around and calling you a faggot over and over if I perceive you as a faggot?
>>41022768not at all
>>41022732its not very often you see proper soiquotes here
>>41022778What if I called you a pdf file and kept getting everyone around you to believe you were one
>>41022793>pdf fileThis isnt tiktok you can speak normally here
>>41022793being a man is not being a sexual criminal, this just shows how your brain worksYOU view maleness as a moral failing, not me.
>>41022800Would you be okay with that tho
>>41022807That wasn't the point tho if we need free speech and I perceive you as a pedofile should I be allowed to convince as many people as I can that's the case
>>41022829yeah, that's fineif you believe something you can say it
>>41022843Ok what if someone kills or assaults you because they were convinced you were a pedo and are enacting vigilante justice. Would I be responsible at all
>>41022858then people should learn to not be so gullible and violent>what if people kill you over my fake wordshuge dude filled with straw
>>41022565Sure but it'd be weird referring to my friend with complete AIS as a 'he' when she grew up and developed to be a woman and she is completely indistinguishable from the typical woman besides her Y chromosome and the fake vagina her biology developed for her.>>41022725Then just having more surgery makes someone valid then?
>>41022829if you genuinely think someone is a danger to children then it's your responsibility to say somethingif you just randomly say someone is a pedo without any actual knowledge then you are doing something illegal
>>41022874it wouldn't be weird at all if you were doing so because of male features you noticed on his body
>>41022903not illegal at all, just psychotic
>>41022915That's the thing. There are no male features at all besides an undescended testes and the Y chromosome. Another case is Swyer syndrome wherein your body doesn't have a problem responding to androgens, but somewhere in the SRY pathway gets fucked your gonads don't differentiate so you end up defaulting to female development from the very beginning. It would also be weird referring to people with those condition with male pronouns just because they have XY when they looked female from birth.
>>41022972>here are no male features at allyou say that online...but maybe the reality is more nuanced
>>41022903There's no way to prove if someone is genuine or not though. "Honoring people's perceptions" sounds nice but that assumes everyone has good intentions. If someone calls themselves a christian I don't go out of my way to call them delusional out of basic respect even though I perceive them to be
>>41022493actually you didn't have to before but NOW you do have to
>>41022978No. You don't get it. These women with XY karyotypes literally don't have male phenotypes presented at all. Especially in the case of CAIS cause testosterone literally doesn't work on their body at all so they end up being even more feminine. I just think anchoring pronouns to chromosomes is weird since there are exceptions. Surely there are better anchors.
>>41023006>literally don't have male phenotypes presented at allsays the people who declare that men in dresses can look totally female
>>41023012With enough surgery and biohacking and maybe a little help from their natural genetics, they can. Doesn't make them completely female though.
>>41023020>they canyou saying this online means nothing
>pronouns are only a problem cause americucks inherited a shitty language where gendering only hinges on pronouns
we are still doing that
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>>41024141what about passing trans women?
>>41024303Don‘t exist. Cope, Seethe, and Dilate
>>41022493If you see me wearing a dress in public and call me a man out loud I’ll cu-
>>41023012what are the features faggot
>>41023012you don't have to answer this, but are you hearing yourself?
>>41025756the skull is closer to male range, the shoulders are wider, overall the bone structure is in between male and female but skewed towards male
>>41025743:(
>>41025743i spend a lot of time thinking about the fact this is a belief people hold about trans women. that we never pass i mean. its both the source of and justification of so much of the hate we get. but also it is this belief that keeps me safe because it means people don't clock me. like most people cannot imagine we exist like this and when you say>i passthis is the response. i suppose im glad of that even if its rooted in the idea that i am a disgusting male weirdo. please keep imagining we are clockable
>>41026187it means people don't tell you what they perceive you as
>>41026190yes i am aware that is what you believe
>>41026208you are delusional if we could ACCURATELY see what you really look like we would all be laughing at you for looking male but making such ridiculous claims online
>>41026216im not sure if you are a self hating tranny or someone like OP but its just really strange reading posts like this. it only really works on baby trannies sorry.
>>41026219your perceptions of self and others are wholly inaccurate and you can only tell such ridiculous lies online because people cannot see how male you really look here, acting incredulous does not make me wrong
>>41026229i just don't really have much to prove to you about this sorry
>>41026244right everyone is definitely tricked into not noticing your hulking male skeleton because you took some pills, shaved, and grew out your hair, I"M the crazy one here
>>41026253can we stop whatever the tone of this convo is and just chat please im curious to know more about you and why you think this way if you would like to talk. do you know any trans women irl
>>41025865>skull is closer to male rangein what? Size? Proportions? Are women with macrocephaly magically xy or male?Craniofacial features largely develop via the hgh pulsing caused by androgens, which the cais patient is insensitive to>the shoulders are wideris there some sort of cells in the clavicle/scapula growth plates that make them magically more susceptible to a gene in a y chromosome? If yes, say the gene>overall the bone structure is in between male and female but skewed towards malein what ways? Why didn't you say the pelvis, which is one of the most dimorphic features of the skeleton? Did you perhaps, in your ridiculous coping, notice that cais patients have very emphasized gynoid pelvises and realized you couldn't use them in your argument? Is that it?faggot
>>41026261cuz trannies make zero effort to show their candid appearance yet make ridiculous claims that all their male features are gone and now they look identical to females
>>41026281bestie was asking if you knew any trans women irl rather than just online. i am not really saying i look identical to a cis woman, i am saying i am not clocked. these are two different things and this is why i want to know if you know of any trans women.
>>41026291ive seen some trans women irl and some of the post ffs ones don't immediately read male, true, I will give you that, but its more like a 10 second illusion that its a woman then you realize its a man and it mostly looks uncanny and alien rather than male or female, my point is trannies make no attempt to HONESTLY portray their appearance online and never insist so hard on "passing" irl so its just funny you think some anglefraud photo makes you a woman >i am saying i am not clockedyeah and nobody realizes flamers who marry women are gay cuz they don't say so out loud to their face :^)
>>41026301i mean i have made no attempt to portray my appearance to you at all so accusing me of anglefraud is odd. i think you are probably getting a weird sample as only insecure trans women are going to be posting photos in this context. those of us who know we pass would have no reason to.
>>41026311you claim to look perfectly female, but if you had to defend it, the photo you would use would be carefully angled to hide your otherwise male appearancetrannies are dishonest people who make distorted claims that only can work online
>>41026314see >>41026291 because i'm claiming i pass and i don't think thats the same as looking like a cis woman. i look like a trans woman said with nothing but self love. but because people imagine trans women to look a certain way people do not clock me. i look cute and small and do not have the specific features people imagine they can clock trans women by
>>41026324you are claiming you pass because you are dishonest and trying to scam others into believing your appearance is how it isn't actually
>>41026332so then we're back to >>41026187. ty for talking with me
>>41026341you can only claim to pass online because we can't see how male you really look in 3dits just this like religious statement trannies make and expect us to agree - the coercive element of expecting me to agree you pass is the most obnoxious part
>>41026301>10 second illusionhuman perception doesn't work that way>uncanny or alienin what measures? Your claims are ass "legitemate" as the tranny pictures you complain aboutAlas, your claim is inprovable, as well as 10x the nebulity and retardation of the tranny passing, aka fake
>>41026341Post one (1) picture of a “passing“ tranny that isn‘t photoshopped and filtered to hell and back.
>>41026349>human perception doesn't work that waymy brain goes "female" and then I keep looking and I realize, oh wait, that's a dude
>>41026354i just do not think theres any point entering into this challenge you've set for me. its on your terms and you're hostile to the idea trans women pass and i just think its a waste of both our time>>41026348yes as i said im glad you think that is the case. im not expecting you to agree i pass i was just wanting to know more about your preconceptions.
>>41026349>in what measures?the proportions of their skull after ffs violate the algorithm in my brain and just sort of read "error file not found" instead of male or female - I can still tell its a dude by the overall length of bones but it doesn't really read "normal male" to my brain I just know abstractly what it is >>41026354not just that but they make no attempt to be honest and show that they still pass even at unflattering angles or harsh lighting, its always one single photo of them contorted and sideways with no women in the frame for context
>>41026364>violate the algorithm in my brain>can tell its a dude by length of bonesso we're back to "woman with macrocephaly is magically male" point>>41026358>brain is a separate entityanyway trolling falseflagging rapemeat and shouldn't reply but you're so annoying that i want you to get raped by the modding system so thanks for outing yourself :)
>>41026398*moderating
>>41026398u look male
>>41026398>I want censorship!avg tranny
>>41022493why are you FREAKS still giving these pol tourists attention
one would hope
>>41023006They absolutely without a shadow of a doubt look like men most of the time. Passoids are far and few between but you wouldn't know that because you are a faceblind autist who spent HIS formative years spankin' it to sissy porn
>>41022493i mean, charlie thought he could just run his mouth and we all saw how that turned out.
>>41027247it's a match made in heaven
>>41027619passoids are not only few, they do not exist - at all
