>mtf>got told by a many a cis friend i pass perfectly>have had multiple trans and enby friends tell me they confused me for a cis woman before i got to know them more>have also been girlmoding for years now and have never been clocked or thought to be a tranny by random strangers>it all makes me very confident in myself and i dont put much thought into my identity anymore at this point but any time I attempt even the smallest form of conversation with a cis woman I feel like a sheep in wolf's clothing despite the fact there's no reason for me to when they are visibly comfortable around me>there exists a complete and total mental disconnect between me and cis women that i cannot for the life of me figure out and it always makes me feel like shit if i end up in a social situation with themwhy does this happen
>>41034360Cis autistic woman feel this way too. Though perhaps to a lesser degree
>>41034377that makes sense, and in all honestly im probably autistic myself anyways, but it still makes me feel like there's something wrong with mein literally all aspects i "pass" but any attempt at female socialization makes me feel like im at a complete mental roadblock and by the end of it i feel like a fake
>>41034360I've always felt like this too. I've been off HRT for a while so I don't pass as well, but when I did it always felt weird how cis women assumed I was one of them and treated me like it, even to the point of saying transphobic shit to my face. For me I think it's because I'm somewhat genderfluid, so I'll never feel exactly at home with cis women.I'll echo what the other anon said about autism. I am autistic and the way that women are passive aggressive with each other has never clicked for me. I grew up mostly around women and had a lot of female friends. I often had an easier time getting with them compared to boys because the latter I crushed on very easily and they could tell. All that said I've never understood "female socialization." I can hold a conversation well enough and make girl talk but it's a performance just the same was when I go bro mode with guys. I always feel like an alien.I'm not sure what advice I can offer. Just know that you're not alone. Even many cis women feel the same. Being a woman comes with so many expectations and bullshit rules and nobody handles it well. I've been friends with enough normie cis women to know that most of them are very deeply repressed and fake people. So try not to stress about it. Just stick with the girls that you vibe with and ignore the normies, they're not worth it.
>>41034360tbf people just say you pass to be nice or when you are "close enough" to not be an ick. It's a comparison to all the other trans they can think of. All it takes is one moment for it to click and then they forever know. I guess it doesn't make much difference just I wouldn't really trust it when anyone says that to you
>>41034377I've never seen any actual evidence of this. Autistic cis women are usually still well socialized and fit in with other women, they just like to retreat to some hyperfixation afterwards. I've never seen an example of an autistic cis woman that didn't still have a vibrant friend group.
>>41034360Figuring out why shouldn't be that important, should it?Pick up mindfulnes meditation practice and train yourself to let go of those thoughts when they arise.You have no ill intent and should not suffer from cognitive patterns that make no sense.
>>41035680Then you haven't met enough autistic women. This is not true at all, most are only friends with other autists or men.
>>41034360this is why i dont understand a lot of the modern discourse around transness and such. in my mind, if i felt more female than male, itd be easier to accept that im male, but carry myself in as female a way as i like. that way i'd never feel like im something im not, while still being true to myself. i just don't understand why the "being seen/treated as a true member of the opposite sex" part is necessary, because it just opens you up to an avenue of discontentment.
>>41035723>with other autistsThat's the rub though; they have friends, particularly other female friends. What I'm describing is the total inability to socialize with cis women as if there's a biological language barrier in place. I've never seen an autistic woman have zero female friends at all, meanwhile I and hundreds of other trannies I've known have had zero contact with cis women for as far back as we remember. I literally cannot recall the last time a cis women talked to me, or me to them, outside of cashiers and coworkers making a business related conversation.
>>41035803Yeah, i think being tranny is cool in its own way and its different from being a biological woman. I think people genetically fucked to not pass have to embrace this more than lucky people.
>>41034360you're a straight guy pretending to be a foid but you can't help wanting to sexualize and fuck them instead of enjoy the sisterhoodthe average gay man has more mental connection with women than you do or ever will
>>41034360felt the same way my whole life. one of the reasons i transitioned ftm socially too instead of only medically despite not actually "identifying" as male. can't say if you're just getting in your own head too much, but the invisible walls women maintain to keep certain individuals just slightly out of the in-group are very real. you might be sensing those.
>>41035821Damn I though you wdte exaggerating sorry anon. Im a whole ass gigahon and like at least half of my friends are woman. A lot of my guy friends tell me that they dont know how to talk to me anymore. I would probably swap places though and just spend my time with bf and cute guys that give woman vibes.
>>41035821i used to have cis female friends when i was young, and when i was a twink i worked with a lot of older women who i got along with quite well. problem is, transitioning changed that. with E in my system i cant see them the same way anymore, and they cant me. i also have carried a strong hatred of cisfs post puberty and pre-menopause since puberty hit me, mostly out of resentment and contempt for heterosexuality.i do get along quite well with weirdos and autistics though. i befriended an old autistic woman at work recently and i get along well enough with autistic pre-t FtMs i think.
>>41036516>Im a whole ass gigahon and like at least half of my friends are woman.It's honestly like the worst form of invalidation I've ever experienced. I'm not OP but I also pass very well, and yet I will literally never be a woman and have no chance of ever being one. Hons like you are incredibly real women because the members of womanhood accept you into it, while passoids like me aren't male because of our looks, aren't female because of our personhoods, and as a result end up worse than being either and are just entirely non-human. Woman and human are both social groups we created based on shared innate things, they aren't innate things themselves. Even if I share some things with others in the group, if I'm not part of the group, then I'm not whatever label the group gets. In this case you will always be a woman compared to me never being one, because the group that calls you a woman agrees you're part of it, but I'm not. I don't even know what I am anymore given my social life is like an equivalent to a sensory deprivation tank.
>>41035821I'm an autistic cis female and I have no irl female friends. I have no idea how to socialize with women correctly and even when I "mask" and try my best to imitate them I feel completely alien and separate from them. I'm pretty sure they can tell. I've made two online female friends in the past year but before that I did not talk to anybody.
>>41037652get older report back
>>41038072>no irl>two onlineThis doesn't really say anything to the contrary of what i already stated?>>41038176I'm over 30 anon, how much older am I supposed to get?
>>41038242Read my post again retard I had no female friends for the most of my life and I can't socialize with the vast majority of women. Trannies always have twenty million other trannies to socialize with on discord anyways how is that different from autistic cis women being friends with other autistic cis women
>>41035680>I've never seen an example of an autistic cis woman that didn't still have a vibrant friend group.>plane_measles.jpg
>>41039172You seem to think I'm trying to sleight you by implying you have a healthy social life, and I'm not sure where that's coming from. I also don't have trans or cis friends right now, but I kind of get what you mean. Cis women in particular just seem to be the one group that the most overall groups have zero real contact with, and I just noticed it and think it's a pattern worth exploring.>>41039697>plane_measles.jpgI have no idea what this is in reference to?
