transitioning for mef sucks cause you lose your libido
>>41035453whats wrong with living in permanent post nut clarity and being soft? it's liberating.
>>41035461you lose the urge to do fun feminizing things like buying perfume, sissy hypno, crossdressing, etc. you basically go back to being a normal asexua or straight male but on estrogen.
>>41035480you need someone to train you and keep you girly
>>41035453What is MEF?
>>41035453is there an actual way to be soft 24/7 while I wait for laser?>>41035506lurk more nigger
>>41035506i typoed mtf :c
>>41035506its stuff you smoke in a pipe, dummy.
>>41035553Listening and learning
>>41035574one of the last times i saw my mom she was selling some dude a mef pipe.and now he looks like op pic rel.
The trick is once you like your results is to lower your dosage so the t takes over a bit . Source: my ass
>>41035453prog?
>>41035591Lol good for him. Maybe I should try some of this stuff.
>>41035453guys like it when girls can't get hard and are permanently soft
>>41035453>>41035480>you basically go back to being a normal asexua or straight male but on estrogenagreed it does kinda feel like that i wish my libido was way more intense. i can get slightly horny but only reactively like when my ex pulls me by my hair sometimes
>>41035643not op but prog has done basically nothing for my libido
>>41035453Severely reduced libido is the best part
>>41035453cycle hormones like the brazilian travesti pornstars do
>>41035690boofing?
>>41035453>you lose your libidoMost people get it back after 6-12 months. Sometimes slightly diminished, but present nonetheless.Those who don't regain their libido are usually either using spiro/CPA or have hyperprolactinemia.
>>41035453I don't think MEF is actually real, its just AGP + Masochism
>>41035453losing my libido was so liberating, I live now, not my wee wee
>>41037548it's realim mef and my gf is agp and we definitely like different things
>>41038720What different things do you like?
>>41038739cuckold/netorare, femdom, size difference (i have no bottom dysphoria), masochism in general as you pointed out (but specially verbal) etc.she doesn't understand it, doesn't relate, and doesn't find the things arousing at allmeanwhile, I don't really get the hype behind the things she enjoys such as puppyplay, latex, obsession with nice fabrics and so on...I could go onWe're def not the same
>>41038781I'm actually a different anon lol. I'm into most of the same stuff as you and not into any of the other stuff your gf is into. Was just curious because AGP literally describes what I like but I seem to have little in common with most of the other anons here who claim AGP.
>>41038974I'm sure we're a minority, nonnieI've actually recently detransed then retransed, and now I'd rather not even claim I'm trans... Just taking my hormones and having no future prospects. I wish I was a real tranny.
>>41039038Just enjoy your kinks as you are, anon :)
>>41039078The problem is that I've induced myself dysphoria and am now very afraid or masculinizing further and have to take hormones not to lose my mind, all of this despite not being trans. Every option sucks, I wish I could be a coherent person.
>>41035453>mefWhat does this new buzzword mean
>>41038781So you're not actually attracted to yourself as female?
>>41039188You're just a person with MEF. Take hormones if they work for you!
>>41035453It just depends on your natural libido. I don’t have as much libido as before my transition yeah but now I’m doing injections and I still feel the urge to be fucked (or at least help myself since I don’t have a bf) everyday or at least every other day
>>41039258I am, but I still find myself aroused self-inserting as a male in sexual fantasies -- as long as I get to be meek and frail in them, but neverthelessThe thing is, being attracted to the female version of myself is not what drove me to transition, and I don't really care that much about grooming myself with the sole purpose of sexual gratification -- after 2 years in HRT I still wear male clothes, even indoors, and I still don't know how to apply makeup>>41039330They kinda work more than they don't and that's why I'm taking them but still it comes with a whole slew of very serious issues, but it's like this for everyone and that's life ig...
>>41035453real my mef went away but every time I go off estrogen it comes back
>>41039387>I am, but I still find myself aroused self-inserting as a male in sexual fantasies -- as long as I get to be meek and frail in them, but neverthelessDon't wanna be a dick and pretend to know what's going on inside your head (believe me, after self identifying as AGP, way too many trannies who supposedly care about "lived experience" suddenly don't care about mine, and why I would identify with such a concept.), but this sounds like AGP.I think AGP is part of a larger cluster in which autistic, submissive and receptive males appear.My GAMP fantasies used to be of me being explicitly as a male, being penetrated by futas etc.>after 2 years in HRT I still wear male clothes, even indoors, and I still don't know how to apply makeupI haven't started HRT (I've repressed for way too long, I've barely experimented with femininity), but if I do, I would probably do the same, ideally I could be totally female with male socialization, but that's not yet possible, I would be happy with a compromise of being able to boymode and girlmode whenever I like.
>>41039498The way I see it the difference between MEF and AGP is that the former requires you having a fundamentally male identity to begin with, which then gets feminized, and the arousal is derived from some sort of castration anxiety being sublimated; while AGP, on the other hand, requires you to have a female identity which in itself is attractive>AGP is part of a larger cluster in which autistic, submissive and receptive males appearMaybe, but I definitely feel different than most other AGPs even if that's the case>My GAMP fantasiesI never had those. Other than the MEF stuff, I sometimes fapped to cd/trans content, but always self-inserting as the cd-er/tranny. This is another point: I'm def more AGAMP than AGP, because I don't want a vagina and think they're disgusting, and also I enjoy wearing chastity cages and so on.>but if I doI hope you figure it out, anonWhatever you do, I wish you can have more mental clarity than I currently have
>>41039608>The way I see it the difference between MEF and AGP is that the former requires you having a fundamentally male identity to begin with, which then gets feminized, and the arousal is derived from some sort of castration anxiety being sublimated; while AGP, on the other hand, requires you to have a female identity which in itself is attractiveInteresting.My experience as an AGP almost corroborates that, its best described as:>You have a latent female persona>She is "activated" when you encounter feminization or are feminized (for me it was being crossdressed by older girls as a child, or encountering crossdressing in films or cartoons)>Since that activation, she informs your sexual desires and, over many years, develops into a true second identity, with whom you fall in love.>That love, unlike pure erotic feelings, doesn't go away after ejaculation, and that's what justifies permanent feminization.I don't really have castration anxiety, and I like the idea of having a vagina, but I'm not particularly a fan of having sex with one.>I'm def more AGAMP than AGP, because I don't want a vagina and think they're disgusting, and also I enjoy wearing chastity cages and so on.Could be that MEF is "partial AGP" or AGAMP, which is definitely real and somewhat independent of AGP.>I hope you figure it out, anon>Whatever you do, I wish you can have more mental clarity than I currently haveThank you, I'm going to gradually self-feminize over the coming months and see where that takes me, if it resolves my feelings or not.I hope you figure things out too, as outlined before, I think you're AGAMP or partial AGP, so maybe you have an internal feminized male identity?
>>41039719To be clear, I've definitely nurtured a female persona online since I've been like 15, but that persona is basically detached from my sexuality. I think did and still do identify with it, but nevertheless I see myself as unmistakingly and irrevokably malebrained for the most part. Sexually, I don't even feel that burning need to be desired by someone else, that desire for a third person gaze which characterizes so-called meta attraction -- I really do find guys attractive because they are guys and not because of how they make me feel, though that's nice too, and though that can trigger my MEF in some ways.>Could be that MEF is "partial AGP" or AGAMP, which is definitely real and somewhat independent of AGP.I think I'm AGAMP, yep. Not sure what "partial AGP" would entail.>see where that takes meThankfully you have some months before the changes become a little too permanent. Hope you're still not confused after 2 and a half years like I am. =/>maybe you have an internal feminized male identity?That makes me cringe a little, but since I've retransed recently I do find myself more confortable calling myself an "HRT femboy" than anything else, though that's a very charitable descriptor in my case since both "fem" and "boy" is pushing it, lol. What I really wish I could have is the body of a doll -- feminine, no genitals, no libido. That would perfect if I could be like that. Just a fantasy though...
>>41039883>To be clear, I've definitely nurtured a female persona online since I've been like 15, but that persona is basically detached from my sexuality. I think did and still do identify with it, but nevertheless I see myself as unmistakingly and irrevokably malebrained for the most part.Depends what you mean by "detached from my sexuality", because there are non-erotic components to sexuality, and your sexuality informs your aesthetic tastes. I have non-erotic interests in nurturing my female persona.>Not sure what "partial AGP" would entail.Partial AGP is just what Blanchard calls AGAMP.
>>41039977>Depends what you mean by "detached from my sexuality"I used to larp as female in Habbo Hotel & oldschool game forums and it always felt nice to be treated as a girl. That warm feeling inside is what I mean.>Partial AGP is just what Blanchard calls AGAMP.Oh, ok. I haven't actually read the guy, maybe I will sometime.btw you said you liked futas, and I never really got the appeal. All I can recall is having a strong admiration towards some big-dicked amazonian trans negresses I saw online, but I didn't really feel the urge to bottom for them, I just remember thinking they were peak human form. Is the futa-attracted GAMP-to-AGP tranny pipeline a thing?Sry if I'm typing too much and taking a while to do it as well (I'm on my phone.)
>>41040181>Oh, ok. I haven't actually read the guy, maybe I will sometime.If you want to get into Blanchardism, read Men Trapped in Men's Bodies by Anne Lawrence, and check out Blanchard's twitter (@BlanchardPHD).>Is the futa-attracted GAMP-to-AGP tranny pipeline a thing?I was AGP well before I had a GAMP awakening (I could literally point to the thread on the /jp/ archives that made me realize). I generally had an oral fixation, which naturally flowed to futa etc.I think both AGP and GAMP are innate and latent though.
>>41040215K, thx for talking, anonI wish you the best on your journey <3
>>41035461>>41035480i think theres definitely a kind of horny you can get and remain soft like with anal and the urge to do fem things is even more intense and natural feeling
>>41037548mef can be explained through agp and agp can be explained through mef it's two sides of the same coin
>tfw no mef tranny maid/housewife to manhandle and fuck like an angry caveman whenever I want
>>41035453It's not gone for me, but it needs to be activated. I cannot be turned on unless I'm ERPing with men.
>>41035453I transitioned predominantly due to AGP MEF fetishism. My libido didn't increase at all. In fact sex is way better without any post nut clarity or shame.
>>41040215do you think experiencing AGAMP is a good reason to troon?
>>41044467It may be better than just AGP, because modern technology can't make you female, but it can make you a feminized male.However, as mentioned in this thread, libido will be reduced, so really its down to if you're infatuated with your feminized male self or not.
Yeah it sucks. I was like that but after 10 years in hrt i lost that euphoria, even sex with my bf isn't that wild anymore and I can't even do content because I find it lame. Recently I dropped hrt for a few months and wow I had to masturbate daily again, it was wild. Such I pitty I can't have that while in hrt, and I don't even use AA anymore, just prog and E
>>41044496ok but what about things like social dignity
>>41044559>I had to masturbate daily again, it was wildhow did the orgasms change/compare relative to before detransing and before transing?
>>41044496That is kind of how I feel about it. AGAMP really describes a lot about me. Trans stuff is on my mind every day. I always convinced myself that it was just a fetish and I'd regret trooning but here I am still thinking about it.
>>41035453I am always comfy in my panties. Mine are so soft and cute.
>>41045028I transitioned a decade ago so I don't remember how it felt back then. I guess it was something like what I described these months I dropped hrt, it was like a necessity, something primal, feels nice to have such an impulse but in the other hand, it's a little bit annoying because you feel like you don't have power over your mind
