Everyone is lgbt

>>41073287
barely warm

>>41073278
Trans women are biologically women.

>>41073278
Bisexual is the "default" sexuality. Gay and straight are minorities

>>41073278
Biological sex isn't actually a thing, sure we might categorize certain genitals as belonging to a certain gender only but that's only for us to comprehend things better. If we didn't make those rules up, nobody would even think of inventing the concept.

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>>41073278
The movement hasn't represented the orientations they claim to since stonewall, it's just a political and ideological entity that uses that as a guise to further its interests, which never takes into account the opinion or experience of LGBT people.
Transgenderism is just mental illness, the only defining characteristic that separates transgender people from crossdressers, femboys, AGPs or whatever else you call them is gender dysphoria, which is a mental illness. So that's all transgenderism boils down to, either you're mentally ill and you count or you're not and you don't.
I think they still deserve treatment and to be people, and I don't care if crossdressers call themselves trans, it's not my race. To me it boils down to dysphoria or no dysphoria.

>>41073349
What is a biological woman?

>>41073278
p is most oppressed part of lgbt.

Transgenderism is the only valuable part of lgbt. It’s early transhumanism. The rest is just people desperately trying to uphold a dying and decaying society crumbling under its own contradictions.

Only people who take cross sex hormones are transgender

>>41073278
the mass deaths during the aids epidemic were almost entirely on the gays themselves after a certain point

Passing is considerably easier than most believe it to be and the trans people who disagree have bought into a psyop designed to keep us ugly. Almost every time someone complains they could not pass they are either delusional and do pass, or else very clearly its a skill issue and they just do not want it enough/are too dumb to know what is clocking them.

Biological sex is a real thing BUT infertile people are biologically sexless

>>41073393
I should specify that trans women (who take hrt) are biologically women. A trans woman who doesn't take hrt is not a woman.
XY's can be born with vaginas. XX's can be born with penises. I say "biological" but since chromosomes aren't a reliable determiner (like every sex characteristic), I say it in the stereotypical sense. A trans woman on hrt is more phenotypically female than male. Every human body has the capability to grow in either a male or female direction. The only true determiner of this is hormones. Hormones determine your biological sex.

>>41073543
>A trans woman who doesn't take hrt is not a woman.
wow thats a low bar

>>41073278
there are almost no faketrans people.
"nonbinariness" as expressed by e.g. theyfabs is not the same phenomenon as ordinary transness but that is not a reason to suppress it, and lots of medically trans people have it in addition to being trans. male to theyfab is real and legitimate.

HRT eliminates over 100% of the male advantage in almost all athletic competitions and there's no reason trans women with reasonable hormone levels shouldn't compete with cis women. sports mostly favor women with high T, not women with masculinized skeletons. those two things correlate in cis and intersex women but not in trans women.

normal cishet male sexuality includes a substantial autoandrophilic component, and normal cishet female sexuality includes a substantial autogynephilic component. blanchard mistakenly thought he was studying a trans-specific phenomenon, but did develop some useful concepts.

>>41073278
All non heterosexual sexualities are the result of mental illness and/or trauma

>>41073278
1- HRT makes you intersex
2- it's completely reasonable for a cis gay or lesbian to not date a pre HRT or a non passing tranny
3- HRT changes your sex but did only makes you closer to opposite sex if you start young, so a man can't become a woman, but a boy could,
4- cis lgb people aren't transphobic to not date you, you're just ugly
5- NBs who doesnt take opposite sex hormones are just cis woman/ cis men plus who uses they pronouns sometimes
6- cissoids shouldn't speak how trans healthcare should be used

>>41073610
that's like super normie tier

>>41073278
Heterosexuality and homosexuality are both unnatural and gender conformity is a trauma response

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>>41073278
Homosexuality exists to prevent sterile feti from killing the mother.

Emo rap was invented by a femrepper.

The only major religion that cannot support transgenderism is Buddhism.

Lesbian and gay teens are 5 times (circa) more likely to impregnate or get pregnant in high school.

A faulty default mode network is the cause of gender dysphoria, which makes it curable until the age of 3.

Social constructs are biological, since the components of society are biological.

Testosterone works like opioids, Estrogen like benzodiazepines, making trannies drug addicts.

>>41073278
It's possible to change your sex, unless you are intending to somehow "transition" into intersex, in which case it is impossible. Also, nobody on this board understands what "intersex" means (as well as 99% of people)

>>41073278
All (straight) biological males want to become women, which is what makes their sex drive more intense, it's repackaged dysphoria

>>41073278
Gender is a sexual fetish with dom/sub characteristics
i.e. it's hotter to fuck a girl in a skirt because you as a man are not allowed to wear a skirt, thus the girl is mogging you and is basically a dominatrix

>>41073278
trans women should be allowed in women's sports even if we have a physical advantage

>>41073278
Those cis men that get vaginoplasties are more of tru transsexuals than trans women with no genital dysphoria

>>41073831
>The only major religion that cannot support transgenderism is Buddhism.
Why do you think so? WHy Buddhism and not Islam instead?

>>41073428
interesting opinion

transgenderism is just autism
that is to say, vaccine damage

>>41074011
>WHy Buddhism
Because of the whole concept of "no-self".
>https://84000.co/translation/toh215#UT22084-062-015-translation
“On the idea that persons have no self, listen, O King!
“How is it that a person is a continuity of the five aggregates?
Due to the cause, which is being filled by karma and the afflictions,
The result flows out in the form of the five aggregates and their ‘self.’
"“Beings become attached to this self,
As they take their own bodies to be ‘me’ and ‘I.’
This ‘self’ fears sickness, death, hunger, and cold.
It is pleased by praise and upset by reproach.
"By apprehending a self, one joins the five rival traditions,
Yet this ‘I’ and ‘self’ do not exist.
Imputed upon the aggregates, they are delusion.
A name is not the self, but merely a label.
“The body is not the self, but flesh and bone—
A gathering of great elements like an outer wall.
Not even mind is the self, because it has no substance.

Anything about your body, your name, your mind and your self are delusions, anon. Even thinking that you are cis is a delusion, btw.
And this is just one of the many passages. I'm about to start Brahmā’s Question which should have the same topic.
>Why not islam?
Trannies in Iran exist. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29832690
And Iran is a theocracy. They kill fags because that's the only thing they have to do according to the Quran. Trannies didn't exist back then, so obviously they can exist now.

>>41074151
The concept of no-self does not invalidate transgenderism. It's just a way of saying everything's kinda fake, not that trannies are bad or something. Of course, transphobic Buddhists exist, but the religion itself doesn't preach against troons.

>>41074171
>the religion itself doesn't preach against troons.
If you don't support something doesn't mean you are against it, anon.
>It's just a way of saying everything's kinda fake
Let's rephrase it:
>It's just a way of saying that my true self is of the opposite sex is kinda fake
>It's just a way of saying that me being trapped in the wrong body is kinda fake
And having the *desire* to transition should be opposed, correct? The *desire* to pass should be opposed, no? The *desire* to not be reproached for these desires is to be opposed.

You do realize that existance itself is opposed by Buddhists? Nirvana is when you stop existing, anon.

>>41073543
a boomerhon is more of a male intersex than a youngshit
this is mainly because the boomerhon would mostly get minimal fat distribution changes and blood level profile, maybe skin but her body would never look closer to a female one even years on HRT
while a youngshit is more of a female intersex due to bone changes, fat distribution at the finest, sometimes the whole puberty, a youngshit is more of a female body than a boomerhon would ever be
basically goes like that
Boomerhon 80% male 20%female
Hon 70% male 30% female
Twinkhon lateshit 60% male 40% female
Twinkhon midshit or midshit passoid 50% male 50% female
youngshit 40% male 60% female
giga youngshit 30% male 70% female

>>41074288
>You do realize that existance itself is opposed by Buddhists?
Yes, but also it is seen as an inevitable thing we all go through. The only way to end it is by escaping samsara. In the meanwhile, not ALL desires are inherently bad. For example, the desire to improve, change for the better, become a boddhisativa etc is seen as good. Transitioning would therefore be seen as good or at least acceptable since it (is supposed to) diminishes the unhappiness of being in "the wrong body".

>>41073278
agp/hsts is real and both types are based af. whether you transition to become a pretty girl because you think you're hot or you'll get a hot guy, you're better than any retard transphobe that wants to kill you for your happiness

>>41073964
interesting.i would like to hear more about this

>>41074470
basically sex selection on males is more intense than on females because females are sexual gatekeepers so the evolutionary response to this is to make all humans want to be female but making males be born in the "wrong" body so they feel constant body envy, which manifests as anxiety around women which can only be quelled by sexual release, which causes a very powerful "attraction" to women. this is also what causes the "expendability" of men, where men would lay down their life for their woman, because they see the woman as the "real them", men are basically skinwalking a woman when they are in a relationship with her

>>41074443
>we all go through
We all go through existance anon, non existance is what you are trying to achieve.
>by escaping samsara
Yeah, by stopping existing.
>the desire to improve, change for the better, become a boddhisativa etc is seen as good.
No. Improve what? Your SELF? It does not exist, anon.
When you stop desiring you become boddhisattva, enlightened. Beyond desire, beyond existance.
>being
Ain't fucking achieving buddhahood with that attitude, anon.

>>41074538
there's more to it than this, for example this is why clothing that is sexually attractive to men is clothing that is physically comfortable to wear like skirts, leggings. it gives men sexual pleasure to see a woman in leggings because he's skinwalking her and is imagining how good it would feel to wear that clothing

also "chivalrous" gender norms that are comforting for women but subject men to being soldiers, breadwinners, etc. intensify this feeling of gender envy, which is why "conservative" men get trans panic more than liberals, the trannies remind them of their own skinwalking sexuality. trannies themselves are merely straight males whose male sexuality has become too intense to bear and who transition to escape the feeling of envy. usually they are "failed males" with terrible and unrewarding lives with little to lose from doing it

>>41074614
I don't necessarily believe that literally all straight men are like this, just that it's an evolutionary reproductive strategy that grants an advantage in reproduction and is common enough among straight men that a large number of social customs have developed in response to it.

>>41074686
also TERFS are the way they are because they sense on some level that most men "want in" the privileged club and they want to defend their privilege

>>41073362
Correct.

>>41073382
Biological sex is obviously "a thing", otherwise we wouldn't be a dimorphic species.

You're arguing that gender is irrelevant to biological sex.

>>41073978
Why?

>>41073278
Theyfabs and enbies are not actually queer in any meaningful way.

fagcent is genetic and built in, a child who is raised only with males would still sound different from other males

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I accept neogenders, littles, kinnies, plurals (incl. endogenics), transids, paras, therians/florans, winterqueers, proshippers, and objectum/conceptum. None of these things are less valid than religions or national identities (which I'm also not against in non-oppressive forms).

>>41073278
"Gay conversion therapy" can actually work it's just that nobody does it right.

>>41075765
giving gay men estrogen is gay conversion therapy

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>>41073278
Topping is straight.

mtf + cis woman = 25% gay
ftm + cis woman = 75% gay
cis w + cis w = 100% gay
cis m + cis m = 100% gay
cis m + mtf = 75% gay
cis m + ftm = 25%-100% gay

mtf + ftm = straight

>>41073428
>transhumanism
>valuable
Into the trash it goes.

>>41073278
AGP and HSTS are both real but there's like at least four or five other subtypes and sometimes they may have overlap.

Wow these takes are really abysmal lmao.

>>41076142
PIV sex is gay though let the record show

>>41073388

>AGPs do not experience dysphoria.

How do you still unironically believe this. That's not what Blanchard says at all. Ask yourself, what is "dysphoria?" It's simply severe discontent. It's a clinical symptom, the condition of "transgender" is created around that condition. And the belief that this symptom is required to be transgender came about long before stonewall, and there are some cultures and people who had no concept of what "dysphoria" is and still identify as trans and transition.

In other words, dysphoria is an arbitrary limitation on who counts as trans, everyone experiences dysphoria differently, and people who tell doctors they have dysphoria and or agree with that assessment are participating in a socially constructed process by which transitioning is restricted based on an artificial idea need based on scarcity or medical necessity. It's just a cultural belief system. And the result is a moral syance. Transitioning if you have a medical need to is "acceptable" transitioning if you simply choose to or believe you would feel better is labelled as wrong. The moral question is ALL anyone cares about. The medical condition is just a clumsy attempt to describe or categorize something that the people making that description barely understand.

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>>41073278
>Trans women are only good if they pass and have a cock.
>SRS is a scam
>Hons aren't human >>41073287

>>41076165
i am genuinely more than ready to agree with this, but nobody ever lists any other subtypes so

everyone here is wired to become insufferable bc of the toxic "culture"

>>41073278
Enbies are the only true trans everything else is larp and people feeling like they need to fit into the binary to be accepted

>>41073591
That final one was my take on blanchard too. I see countless cis women displaying autogynephilic tendencies. Cis Straight Men's obsession with big cocks goes without saying lol.

>>41073964
This is just projection of your own trans experience.

Transphobic people still see transwomen as women. They only ever talk about how "ugly" they are, or other things they would only judge a woman for.
CIS women have AGP.
Queer people are more likely to be sexually abused because they are isolated and made more vulnerable early in life for being different.

>>41075876
Correct

>>41076946
nah it explains too much about straight dynamics

>>41073591
>normal cishet male sexuality includes a substantial autoandrophilic component
no kidding it's hilarious to me that people don't see this. Like what is this "power fantasy" that everyone accuses men of having if not literally AAP?

>>41075686
Of those only littles and proshippers are valid, I don't even know what half of the other ones are but they sound like dumb Tumblr shit

>>41076358
Didn't say AGP's weren't trans, just that it's one of the names people call each other here. If they have dysphoria it counts.
The stonewall point was unrelated to trannies, it was referring to the LGBT political entity. So good start with misinterpreting both points I made before even getting into yours.

Sure dragging the definition of trans back into a vagueness miasma is an option but if there's no way to define trannies then they functionally do not exist. You can't give specific rights to people who refuse to be defined. Your abstraction ruins your own goals at attempting to normalize your needs since the vast majority of humanity doesn't need it and so won't take the demand seriously. And all this is to humor your suggestion that you know better than professionals that have committed their careers to defining this condition irrespective of moral standing, which is the point of science in the first place.
But I'm sure because conservatives exist you can disregard all of that so you can have your inclusive abstraction mentality that carpet bombs any chance the condition had to be understood or treated. How convenient it is that the outcome of your mentality is that you get whatever you want without proof or accountability. I'm sure they'll set aside a budget just for you, because you're so special even though nobody knows how, or is allowed to make a distinction between you or anyone else.
You're far too busy trying to justify your worldview to stop and see around you what the world actually is like.
before you toss the tired gotcha of "erm I'm not trans so none of this applies" either address the argument or just don't bother.

>>41074614
But men like to see women w high heels and shaved vulva, which are uncomfortable

>>41073278
The LGBT movement achieved more in a shorter amount of time without throwing other groups under the bus then the feminist movement ever did or ever will.

>>41078183
High heels force a more attractive pose. The pose can exist without heels; the discomfort comes from walking around like that.
Shaved pussy is porn addict shit. It doesn't apply naturally.

>>41078203
seems legit

>>41078233
How is the pose more attractive?
Also, I don't think this theory is accurate but i would read the hell out of a novel with that premise.

>>41078250
Butt sticks out.

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>>41077841
Neogenders are constructed but so are all pronouns and subcultures, it's just a form of self expression.
Therians and kinnies in my experience are just alienated people who see traits of themselves beyond traditional boundaries of humanity, I see nothing wrong with that. And being transid is not that different from wanting to be an immigrant, I fully understand wanting to change your body or culture.
Non offending paras are fine. Most people will gobble down meat from mass industrial torture every day but think people who like zoo hentai are freaks. It doesn't really make sense. Shame doesn't change attraction.
The amount of people claiming DID can be highly exaggerated but I do believe the average human ego has "multiplicity" to an extent, split brain experiments and Julian Jaynes are interesting research for this along with traditional Buddhist, Norse and Egyptian conceptions of the multipart self. I've had bad cranial trauma and go randomly numb and forget my name sometimes desu.
Florans are furries that like anthro plants.
Objectum is not that different from using a dildo. Conceptum is basically countryhumans and the like... much personification art falls into it.

>>41078312
>Neogenders are constructed but so are all pronouns and subcultures, it's just a form of self expression.
That's the thing that makes it so stupid though, regular pronouns are derived from the concrete phenotypical expression of bimodal sexual dimorphism in humans. Neogenders are just made up based on whims and fashion trends. Changing your clothes isn't a gender. My dysphoria and the she/they cis girl with an undercut and a snake bite have nothing in common. I don't care in the slightest how people present but co-opting the language of actual trans people isn't cool.

>>41078394
>That's the thing that makes it so stupid though, regular pronouns are derived from the concrete phenotypical expression of bimodal sexual dimorphism in humans.
Given "hit" was originally gender neutral before specifically becoming the abiotic "it", no. Same with singular they being multiple hundreds of years old.
Also most nouns in general used to have gender in English even when referring to objects or concepts so it's clearly not entirely biological lol.
>Changing your clothes isn't a gender.
Where did I say it was? Of course, it can be part of expression but not necessarily.
>I don't care in the slightest how people present but co-opting the language of actual trans people isn't cool.
Transmeds are about as unpopular as kids with neopronouns now. Sorry.

>>41073382
Some people can have babies and some people have dicks. intersex people are incredibly rare.as0hd

>>41078502
Intersex conditions are more common than red hair in the general population.

>>41078502
Has nothing to do with what I said. But also intersex people aren't incredibly rare (more like just mildly uncommon), it's just that they are hidden from the normie public. There are many, many stories of ordinary people finding out they were intersex the whole time but their parents hid such fact their whole lives because of bigotry.

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>>41078502

I'm hiring an intersex escort this weekend and you're right. I don't even know if she really has a peepee on top or her pssy but the sole thought of somebody announcing itself like that made me scrap other 300% better looking full pussy women because fuck me if i havent been chasing intersex girls since i learned those were even a thing in elementary school, despite this intersex looking extremely mid to my tastes and normalfg-looking even

Btw i want to participate in this thread by saying this

If you don't have a significant other who can fuel you and fulfill your life in other ways not just sexually, then

being LGBT its an itch that comes and goes

and in the end it really just amounts to how much can you get off to specific things/how many of these thoughts are still present after you get off.

>>41078547

yeah that's like when they said in the Supercool movie that Muhammad is the most common name on earth. Intersex is common but nobody likes dating androgynous indians with pitch black brownish/grayish deformed bumpy genitals

>>41073278
Transpeople are the next step in human societal development.
Cis people are akin to livestock.
If you read the way goy are described in judaic literature and replace them with cis people it makes a lot of sense.
They never question their own gender, the way society has utterly arbitrary gende roles.
Cis people lack a certain spark when it comes to introspective, the same way a cow lacks the introspective to question its captivity.

>>41073543
>here is my significant example of 0.00001% of population with extremely strange characteristics
you are a man that thinks he is a woman

>>41078122
y'know on this (and the thread topic) i reckon actually determining gender dysphoria in a clinical setting is nearly impossible (right now), for two reasons;
>actually working out what gender dysphoria even is, because we don't really have an answer to that other than really broad-strokes generalisations
>sufficiently segregating any crossover in diagnostic criteria from comorbid conditions like depression
speaking as a britfag this might seem like an autistically picky take but it's crucial to determine whether hrt or any form of gender support can be done through the nhs or not, because if some kind of study gets done that comes to the conclusion that gd is either undiagnosable or just isn't real, then it's essentially going to shift not just the perception of trannies down the shitter (more so than already) for stealing from muh nhs or whatever, but also runs the risk of creating a literally global knock-on effect
i feel like the bigger concern over shit like theyfabs or "irl futas" or whatever the fuck is that it opens the door to this kind of study and - if that does occur - i see no reason why it wouldn't end up being unnecessarily fucked with or twisted to draw desirable conclusions (like the cass report), or for that matter that it'd end up putting a full halt on all gender support across the board "until we can figure out what the truth is"
not sure this is as big a consideration in america but in the uk at least i think it's a pretty major one, especially considering how autistically obsessed everyone is with preserving/saving the nhs from random boogeymen lmao

>>41076181
oh. yeah..

M+F = 50% gay

>>41075686
fucking lol. hope you're enjoying 6th grafe bro

Most men are bisexual to some degree but will never admit it due to extreme gay stigma. Most women are too but nobody takes them seriously and rightfully so.

>>41073278
AGPs femininity is more real and honest than husstusses are

>>41073964
No no
I just want access to a woman

>>41080722
Not an argument

Non-op is the most valid way to be trans