no gender roles = no trans people

>>41090452
i dont think that's true

>>41090445
I transitioned because my body felt disfigured and after transitioning I feel very healthy and capable. I was not motivated by wanting to control how other people treat me

>>41090477
how can you transition if there's no specific way to look or act male or female?

>>41090561
because there are biological differences between the sexes in the body and brain, a lot of them are affected by hormones

If everyone was allowed to get a little faggy with it we would probably have far fewer trans people and more fruity cis people with a hint of Gender

>>41090580
you wouldn't be on 4chan if those hormones made you genuinely look or act female

>>41090609
does that have anything to do with your world without gender and trans people?

>>41090641
yeah trannies are delusional liars
you transitioned cuz gender roles are too strict and autists can't handle rejection
men are NOT allowed to act feminine

kys gincel

>>41090650
why wouldnt i transition without gender roles in place exactly?

trannies wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for the internet. At the end of the day it’s just a mental illness so it doesn’t matter imo. I think without the concept of gender there would be less people with gender dysphoria and without NEET internet obsessed kids who were groomed by fags at 13 there would be less people wanting to chop their dicks off/genital mutilation

>>41090736
but they existed before the internet DOE

>>41090736
the first tranny was a Dominican friar in the church of England. Went into some woods deemed mystical per the church and came back out "as a woman". she was told to "meditate on it" and deemed it acceptable.

>>41090760
the first tranny was some priestess in ur

sexual dimorphism exists so yes

>>41090849
she says no one can actually want to be female, and that you only want different traits because it changes how other's perceive you and is associated with a specific gender

>>41090760
>Dominican
Yeah we don’t need any more info desu

I would still have sought out top surgery / testosterone just to have the features that my brain expects to have, even if "gender" wasn't attached to it. Breasts are fun on other people but annoying in practice.

>>41091048
are you a gayden

>>41090899
that's really dumb because it can literally manifest as trying to imagine yourself as something and the brain defaults to "female". Its a very simple feeling so its hard to explain but articulating it to people seems to make them very understanding if they start to get it.

>>41090808
Ur never gonna believe where she was interred—

>>41091072
Oh yeah

>>41090445
it's a useless question.
because gender will always exist, it stems directly from evolution and biological sex mixed into the culture.
humans cant exist without culture,
its the same as asking If trannies would exist if humans could reproduce alone and society didnt exist at all

Maybe humans become transgender for the same reason frogs and lizards turn female under mating pressure. Being a lonely young man is a sausagefest

>>41090445
people would still take hormones to achieve desired effects from them, they just wouldnt argue over whether its gay to date said people. it would be like going on ozempic as a fatty or a nose job as someone with a shnozz

>>41091095
yah my sister says you only troon because men and women cant be friends that develop into a relationship (with no love at first) unlike gay men apparently who "dont sexualize each other much because men look really similar" (she has never known a gay man) and gaydens like you basically troon out so you can have an equal relationship with men

>>41090445
>i just splashed water in her face and left
based
anyway she is definitely wrong. i think of my troubles more as sex dysphoria than gender dysphoria.

>>41091128
least retarded cissoid award

>>41090561
There is. women have vaginas

>>41090899
can she explain perfectly passing stealth trannies who still feel dysphoria?

>>41091772
Is girlcock no longer valid desu?

>>41091938
she got mad at me when i said trans meant wanting to take or taking hormones, everyone is valid to her because she like doesnt see gender or whatever i guess (she still sees sex though, and youre still male to her)

>>41090992
What do you mean by that?

>>41090445
yeah i would still want to have tits.

>>41090607
yup. all women are bi and its completely fine. this is why ftms basically dont exist. being .01% of billions mean you dont exist btw

>>41091128
Why are women such bitches about men having feelings for them while being friends? If he's a good friend he'll respect your rejection and that's it, at worst you tell that faggot to move on and get some pussy

>>41092438
she even started talking about how women feel attracted to friends too but don't act on it like guys do or whatever
im not even really sure what she meant with that

>>41090445
yes
i transitioned medically before "socially," in fact its been 3 years of me being on hrt, when i do go outside, i pass 100%, but i still haven't "socially transitioned" in real life, like picking a new name and buying new clothes (my clothes were always sort of androgynous anyways)
trans NEETs like me wouldn't exist if it was solely about gender roles.

>>41090445
probably not. like if the concept of being one gender or another didn't exist then i there'd be no gender to transition to
>>41092825
yeah but as is you're transitioning for your own perception of gender, you're transitioning because you want to percieve yourself as female. if someone came and zapped your brain with a magic brain beam that removed the concept of gender from your brain, then one would assume that the desire to be one gender or another would be gone with it.
>t. ranny

>>41092849
what about sex doe, there'd still be differences between men and women no matter what

>>41090445
wait until she hears of transsexualism and sex dysphoria

>>41091136
same it’s like 60% sex 40% gender/society for me

>>41092900
she'd basically just say she doesn't believe you and that she understands you better than you understand yourself

>>41091128
I'm the original person you were replying to, and I had to read this back multiple times because I couldn't comprehend it, that's how crazy it sounds.

>>41090452
>fit male gender roles
>feel more comfy as enby
>feel more comfy with a vag
>society sees and treats me as woman
Gender roles are a spook
Trans people aren't

>>41093142
yah it was even worse in person, i felt like my vision was changing color and i just felt so weird like i was closed off to the world in my head or something
some uchiha shit i dunno

>>41093089
LMFAO i lwk fw that just bc of how arrogant it is. i support her desu

Dysphoria relating to sexual/physical characteristics would still exist

gender is civilization. without the concept of gender there is no concept of clothing or reproduction. have you never thought an how horrifying pregnancy would be for pre-linguistic humans? like, for that to just happen, with no warning, and you have no idea how? i think we have to credit whoever discovered the causal relationship between piv and pregnancy with founding all civilization

>>41095377
i assume most creatures have an innate understanding of sex and pregnancy
not in detail but just that "sex make baby"

>>41090445
this position only makes sense if you don't understand that gender is a social phenomenon emerging from an actual underlying internal identity associated with your physical sex

>>41090445
Would u rather be ur preferred sex but everyone thinks ur the opposite gender or would u rather be the wrong sex but everyone sees u as ur preferred gender?

>>41095543
why would you assume that? it seems more likely to me that there's an instinct to fuck and pregnancy "just happens," from the animal's perspective. i mean, look at lions. all lion sex is violent, bloody rape. the males evolved spikes on their penises to hold the females in place during intercourse. the females usually try to escape. you'd think, if the females had any kind of innate understanding of the species as a whole, the males wouldn't have needed to evolve the penis spikes

>>41095297
she says people only feel dysphoria about these because of how others perceive them and if tbey werent associated with a specific gender no one would care
>>41095589
if i was an afab id probably just tomboymode anyway
i guess if that's all id ever known itd probably be pretty shitty and traumatizing but i think it'd be better than being a passing tranny because other people's opinions matter less than my own
i dunno how that'd work, would it be like, people just harassing you and stuff?

>>41090445
Alright I may be too dumb for this, but woudln't trans people just be transexual again?

If there's no concept of sex OR gender, then what are they transing to and from though?

>>41090445
yes they would. i am transsexual, and even if gender roles didnt exist as we know them, i would still be transitioning to fix my body

>>41090445
a world without gender roles is only possible in a world with no sex based characteristics because they are the core root of gender, libs will tell you is class disparity or misogyny, but that's just retardation speaking. So yes, a world without sex to trans to is a world without transexuals. Your sister just sounds like the kind of woke that loops back into anti trans medicine. Even if everyone pretended there was no gender, the differences would still exist and people would act on them. Maybe there would be no nbies, since most of them are just gnc people taken to the extreme, only people with problems over their bodies would ramain and chaninging your body would be free, unless it was some retarded naturalistic society that's all about self acceptance and other stupid shit, which is usualy the woke cis idiot paradise.

>>41095377
>>41095543
>>41095619
that's just what happens with less developed cultures and people with low education really, they pair up when they are horny, fuck around and end up pregnant, they consumate some ritual to ensure neither partner tries to scape the holy, social or cultural union (which they can still do, just risking shunning from the community) and keep on with their lifes. Reproduction slows down significantly when people have dreams, hopes and goals to aspire to besides making it to the next paycheck to paycheck and are used to struggle and misery. This is why people from india, latin america and muslim countries reproduce so much, they are just living impulsively and make up traditions to justify that. When people get used to a lviing standard and the expectancy of purpose beyond survival and genetic replication they stop breeding, even when it's necessary as a society to do so, because they reationally know it would lower their qol (example, native japanese and europeans)

>>41090609
>you don't act female
>>41090650
>you transitioned to female because gender roles
???

i forgot to mention but she also doesnt really believe in any features being indicative of sex because "theres at least one cis woman who has that"
besides like, genitals obviously

I mean "trans" is short for "transgender" so by definition, no, that would not be a concept. That wouldn't change the physical reality that some people want a different body or don't want to be constrained by the rules about how to dress and act, it would just be different words.

>>41090650
I'm fatmaxxing by eating all the gender roles.
What now?
>>41092849
Even if you erased my memory of the difference between sexes surely I'd recover the knowledge pretty quickly. That doesn't even have to be taught. It's not like gay dudes study up on how to identify men in the wild before becoming aroused by them. Somewhere the man identifier brain network gets linked to the peepee hard brain network all on its own.
The problem with this thread is its claim is just about unfalsifiable. I could've transitioned for any reason. Nothing's to stop me from just lying about it. There's also nothing stopping malicious shitheads from pointing that out and pretending I definitely did it for their chosen reason which they discovered through their brilliant transvestigative powers.
>>41095829
Social sex determination is multivariate analysis though.
There are women who can grow beards for whatever reason but we still have the concepts of "bearded lady" and "man" and they are distinct.