>>41107901
keep them in a zip lock bag, only get needles out with clean hands.

>>41107922
>keep them in a zip lock bag,
i can do that but i already used my current batch for a few weeks should i throw it away?
>only get needles out with clean hands.
i wash my hands before injecting always but how bad am i fucking up
idk these are supposed to be used by diabetics so 10 needles = 10 days but for estrogen it's 10 needles = 10 weeks

yes. i keep my needles scattered around in my clutter side draw, injecting for 2+ years, all fine. but that other poster is a bit more reasonable. keep them in a dry bag and only take them out with clean hands, and you'll be fine.

>>41107901
Yes, but the needle gauge might be a bit thin depending on your carrier oil

>>41107953
the needles do have caps, so that's another barrier. if they're cheap then just buy another bag for peace of mind.

>>41107973
>yes. i keep my needles scattered around in my clutter side draw, injecting for 2+ years, all fine
and you just keep them out in the open??
do you have the same needles as me?

>>41107988
it's all i could get unless i want to risk the knockoff brand ones from amazon
it's mct oil is there some technique to it? i've just been winging it

>>41107989
>the needles do have caps, so that's another barrier.
i'm worried the caps aren't sealed properly or i accidentally knock it

also if something bad does happen how fast do i have to react to not die and how obvious is it
is there any action besides "go to a doctor and get antibiotics right now" asking b/c i'm diy because i'm scared of going to doctors

>if they're cheap then just buy another bag for peace of mind.
they're sold in boxes of 100 so i have 10 bags

>>41108056
Should work fine with mct oil though I've only tried up to 30G. The shitty ones on amazon have also been fine for me, what's actually wrong with them?

>>41108071
>Should work fine with mct oil though I've only tried up to 30G.
feels kinda hard to draw but maybe i'm just bad at it

>The shitty ones on amazon have also been fine for me, what's actually wrong with them?
worried about quality control
in a perfect world i'd just pick up both my estrogen and supplies from the pharmacy but i need an rx for that and the way the usa is going idk if that's a good idea

>>41108093
Yeah that's understandable, though in my experience, the pharmacy gives you the same kind you got here, bags of ten not individually wrapped, except the ones they hand out are 29G. Could be better for drawing for you than these, but if even the syringes need an RX that's obviously not helpful

>>41107901
i use these and i just open the packaging enough to get the needles out of it when i need to and so i just do that when i need to and all the other time it just sits on my table
i have not died yet or had anything happen yet so it's probably fine

>>41108157
>the pharmacy gives you the same kind you got here, bags of ten not individually wrapped,
for weekly injections? these needles are the ones sold for diabetics, who inject subq daily

>except the ones they hand out are 29G.
this company makes different sizes but 31g was all they had in stock
i went with this company because people say it's a reputable brand

>but if even the syringes need an RX that's obviously not helpful
you don't need an rx for the syringes but pharmacies can deny you and will ask why you need them
i mean i wish i felt more comfortable just going to a planned parenthood or smth instead of this shit

also is there a good video on technique? i'm always scared when i pull the syringe out of the vial i bang it on a surface or something bad

>Could be better for drawing for you than these,
idc if it takes a lot of time i just don't want to fuck up and hurt myself from stupid, preventable reasons

>>41108271
i keep them in my drawer
how long have you used them

>>41108281
>how long have you used them
1.5 years

>>41108281
>for weekly injections
Yes. I never specified that I inject weekly, but I have asked every pharmacy in my town what kinds they carry and all of them exclusively had this type
>pharmacies can deny you and will ask why you need them
Is there any reason you can't just say for insulin? Technically they can ask where I live too, its never happened before but if they do ask that's what I'll say
>also is there a good video on technique?
This one should work:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YfNlAZLxLyw
If you're not comfortable injecting into muscle you can also take some of your stomach fat, pinch between fingers and inject there. It's always been painless for me and you don't need to worry about keeping a muscle relaxed. Just make sure to be at least 5cm away from your belly button
>i just don't want to fuck up and hurt myself from stupid, preventable reasons
I don't think its gonna cause you to hurt yourself if it still draws, but it will cause you to need to leave the needle in you longer because it also needs to go back out. So for your comfort, 29G might be better

>>41108056
if you aren't storing it in a garbage can then you're fine.

>>41108056
>also if something bad does happen how fast do i have to react to not die
I have never had something bad happen so I don't know how long it takes, but I do know that infection is a sharp, burning pain that gets worse with pressure on it and its warm to the touch. It won't go away without antibiotics and yes, if it does happen you should get to a doctor asap. I wouldn't worry too much about it though so long as you follow proper hygiene, always disinfect the top of the vial before and after and also your hands and skin on the injection site. Some soreness after injection is normal

>>41108429
nta why disinfect the top of the vial after
just disinfecting before makes sense and that's what i do, what would be the point if you're going to redisinfect the next time before you use it anyway

>>41108447
Sometimes a small droplet of oil can come back out after you pull out the syringe, which can go rancid until you do the next injection and if you push it back in, introduce contamination. So you wipe it again with a disinfectant wipe so that doesn't happen

>>41108286
so you've gone through multiple packs and nothing bad ever happened? hope i can say the same

>>41108384
>I never specified that I inject weekly,
do you think they'd give you a different type if you did?
>Is there any reason you can't just say for insulin?
never tried tbhon
>take some of your stomach fat, pinch between fingers and inject there. I
yeah i do subq, i don't think my needles are long enough for IM and also that probably hurts more and is easier to fuck up
>Just make sure to be at least 5cm away from your belly button
why?

>>41108407
its in my kitchen drawer but i inject at my desk
i'm a bit worried about heat lowering the lifespan of the vial as well

>>41108485
alcohol wipes are cheap so nbd but wouldn't this be caught by the pre-injection wipe?
>It won't go away without antibiotics and yes, if it does happen you should get to a doctor asap.
like will i know i fucked up right away?

>as you follow proper hygiene,
what if i accidentally bang the needle on a surface without noticing

>always disinfect the top of the vial before and after and also your hands and skin on the injection site.
my order has been
>wash hands with soap
>70% isopropyl wipe the top of the vial before
>wipe the injection site (stomach)
>draw
>inject
>wipe site again

>>41108606
>do you think they'd give you a different type if you did?
No, I literally asked if they carry any other kinds of syringes and none did
>why?
I'm actually not quite sure, that's how I was taught to do subq by a nurse for blood thinners. I assume its because the tissue close to the belly button is different and thinner and might have you accidentally doing IM in your stomach
>wouldn't this be caught by the pre-injection wipe?
Maybe, but if you've ever had rancid cooking oil on the outside of a bottle, it get sticky and even somewhat solid. If the carrier oil is anything like that, it wouldn't necessarily come of with a simple wipedown
>will i know i fucked up right away?
Probably not right away, but fairly quickly. I got an infection on a wound on my foot after a bandage got removed. It took less than an hour for the burning to start
>bang the needle on a surface without noticing
I've asked myself the same and honestly if you notice that happened, just discard it and use a new one. They're so cheap its not worth the risk, even though I believe it would probably be fine unless the surface is filthy. Just don't take the cap off till you're ready to draw and have the injection site disinfected before you start that. Go right from the vial to injecting and the odds of banging a surface without noticing should be minimal
>my order has been
Yeah that's probably fine. But I have seen droplets leak after drawing so I do the additional wipe after

>>41108606
>so you've gone through multiple packs and nothing bad ever happened?
yes
>hope i can say the same
it's probably going to be fine just disinfect stuff and watch 1 or 2 videos on how to do mtf hrt injections
>>take some of your stomach fat, pinch between fingers and inject there. I
also just btw i also do subq injections and i don't do this. i don't really have a lot of fat on my stomach but i do have enough i think so i always have just been injecting without pinching fat between my fingers/so just sticking the needle in and injecting and that has been working fine for me
just so you know you don't have to like be too specific with what you do regarding that
i have been alternating spots a bit lower and right of my belly button and the same spot on the left every week and that has been working ok
>>Just make sure to be at least 5cm away from your belly button
>why
i have never measured before how far i do it but i just measured and i inject ~3 cm away from it
just like in a lower and to the right/left spot of it
i saw this spot recommendation in a youtube mtf hrt injection video and that has just been working fine for me

also you didn't ask me but
>what if i accidentally bang the needle on a surface without noticing
just don't bang it on any surface without noticing
that's probably not good and bad so just don't do it and if you did get a new syringe

>my order has been
>>wash hands with soap
>wipe site again
this is not to say to not do it but just for information i just wash my hands with water and i never wiped the site after injecting and i haven't had any problems but i guess washing hands with soap is better than with just water
wiping site again i am not sure if that makes sense because the injection site would already have closed probably but probably it can't hurt

>>41108707
>No, I literally asked if they carry any other kinds of syringes and none did
well i guess if it's good enough for normies
>I'm actually not quite sure, that's how I was taught to do subq by a nurse for blood thinners.
nobody taught me i'm just a retard injecting diy on my own
>It took less than an hour for the burning to start
i consider that quick since it means i can go rush to the hospital same day then
>Yeah that's probably fine. But I have seen droplets leak after drawing so I do the additional wipe after
should i go wipe my vial now even though it's been a few hours since i injected or is it too late
>I've asked myself the same and honestly if you notice that happened
well the "without noticing" part is what i'm worried about
>Go right from the vial to injecting and the odds of banging a surface without noticing should be minimal
i'm worried like as i pull it out of the vial i hit it on the vial or my desk without noticing

>>41108743
>just don't bang it on any surface without noticing
i'm clumsy
>wiping site again i am not sure if that makes sense because the injection site would already have closed probably but probably it can't hurt
the guide i saw said use 3 wipes, 1 to wipe vial, 1 before injection, 1 after injection
also is there any aftercare after injecting

>>41108855
>the guide i saw said use 3 wipes, 1 to wipe vial, 1 before injection, 1 after injection
i guess there is no reason not to and i'm probably not doing a good thing for not wiping after injection but yeah
>also is there any aftercare after injecting
i think a guide i read might have said to use an adhesive bandage on an injection spot and i have done that a few times but it kind of seemed like it didn't do anything and wouldn't do anything so i stopped using those and it hasn't made a difference so far
also probably wiping the injection site again after injecting like you're doing already
can't really think of anything else

>>41108855
>i'm clumsy
well just pay extra extra extra extra attention to it...
having the needle touch anything and not noticing would really be not good so just have that not happen

>>41108855
I don't think it could hurt to wipe it now, but also I've forgotten before and its been fine. Don't worry so much about it if you didn't see a droplet, its just good to make it a habit
>the "without noticing" part is what i'm worried about
That's why you go straight from the vial into your body. Sit away from walls and it's basically impossible to bump anything
>i hit it on the vial or my desk without noticing
You pull the syringe out upwards no? I genuinely don't see how that would happen, especially without noticing but I don't know how you inject

>>41108904
>i think a guide i read might have said to use an adhesive bandage on an injection spot
oh is this super important? i haven't been doing that

>>41108922
>Sit away from walls and it's basically impossible to bump anything
the vial is on my desk the only thing i can bang into are objects on my desk or my chair's armrest

>You pull the syringe out upwards no?
i try but it's pretty hard to move something exactly 90 degrees up

>>41108922
>I don't think it could hurt to wipe it now, but also I've forgotten before and its been fine.
maybe if i'm super paranoid but it's been a while

>>41109003
>oh is this super important?
nta but I'm pretty sure its not. I only ever do it when I get some blood coming out every now and then

>>41109003
>oh is this super important? i haven't been doing that
well probably not... for the same logic as i used for not wiping the spot after injecting (it would have already closed so nothing bad presumably can enter the injection site at that point) closing the spot with an adhesive bandage also probably doesn't help exactly probably
i assume some guides might say to do that but i have not been doing it past the first few injections and i haven't had a problem

>>41109003
>the only thing i can bang into are objects on my desk or my chair's armrest
Sounds like its time to clean your room to reduce the odds of messing up

>>41109032
>>41109044
idk i'm dumb and not cut out for this
also should i be scared of running out of diy and it becoming super illegal

>>41109052
by objects on my desk i mean the vial or the desk itself. i move everything before injecting
the chair i guess i could inject standing up

>>41109081
Idk where you buy your vials but I got a year and a half's supply for 60 euros. Diy is not at risk of becoming a focus where I live but at that price, it makes no sense not to double up on vials. With a three year supply, you'll be good for long enough to figure something out even if it does become super illegal

>>41109127
>euros
am in the us and i'm relying on my vials to not go bad and last a year each

>>41109178
Yeah but I doubt the prices are that different in dollars. The one I buy from ships to the US I think and they state their vials last three years unopened so stockpiling for that amount is not a problem

>>41109200
you have to open them to use them and idk if every time i draw from it i'm risking ruining the vial
i also haven't gotten my levels tested so i'm just hoping i'm not hondosing myself

>>41107901
in the future keep them in the bag clean hands try not to touch the inside of the bag (hold the bag and push one out then grab it, aseptic technique) but given the cap you are highly unlikely to have any issues unless you're ultra immunocompromised

I've known several people who used these long term and never had a site get infected

>>41109213
You can just have two vials, one you're currently using and another one that you're gonna open and use when that one is empty no? That's how I do it.
>haven't gotten my levels tested so i'm just hoping i'm not hondosing myself
What are you injecting and how much?

>>41109229
Not OP, I switched to these a few weeks ago. I keep mine in a Tupperware that I disinfected, not in the original bag. Is that fine too?

is subq even a good method for injections? doctors tell you to do intermuscular injections.

>>41109229
i just grabbed a random ziploc bag i had and put it in there

>>41109248
i have 3 and like i'm just worried about ruining a vial early
>What are you injecting and how much?
5mg of cypionate but air bubbles and error probably means i'm taking less

>>41109289
idk but it's easier for a diyfag like me to do

>>41109289
I have read studies on this and apparently it makes no practical difference to absorption. I can look them up if you want to
>>41109294
>worried about ruining a vial early
Ah, now I understand. Yeah that can happen in theory. Its why I wipe the vial after injection, to minimize the odds
>5mg of cypionate but air bubbles and error probably means i'm taking less
You do push out the one big air bubble right? The really tiny ones shouldn't matter. What kind of other error do you mean? If you're not very far off 5mg you're definitely not hondosing and almost certainty at monotherapy levels, but do get it checked

>>41109363
>Ah, now I understand. Yeah that can happen in theory.
yeah these vials have to last me a while i'm scared to order more

>You do push out the one big air bubble right?
what's considered big and small. when am i supposed to push it out?

>What kind of other error do you mean?
idk there's a lot of ways and also the vial loses potency over time right?

>If you're not very far off 5mg
it might be closer to 4mg and hopefully not lower

>>41109294
I diy too but I had a prescription for a while and they showed me how to inject once. insurance doesn't cover injections do that's why I diy, far cheaper.

>>41109401
For me, with MCT oil, there is always some air that slowly fills in while drawing. It never fully fills in even waiting a long time so what I do is I draw a bit more than I want to and push it back in the vial along with that big bubble. Its about a millimetre across I'd say, maybe a bit more. The small ones are basically microscopic and distributed through the syringe, impossible and unnecessary to get out
>there's a lot of ways
Yeah but you must have had something in mind when saying that right? Actually, the only other way I can think of is injecting too fast and pulling out too fast and having leakage, which you'd notice
>the vial loses potency over time right?
I have never heard that before. I don't think it should as long as you store it properly, so keep it away from sunlight
>hopefully not lower
You can always just increase to drawing enough for 6mg and have more peace of mind until you get a test

>>41109442
insurance covers it for me but given all the shit going on maybe it won't later

>>41109477
>Yeah but you must have had something in mind when saying that right?
everything i've mentioned, bad injection technique, or just the vial itself being more dilute
also i don't want to core the vial or something

>I have never heard that before. I don't think it should as long as you store it properly, so keep it away from sunlight
i heard heat can also degrade it and it gets hot sometimes

>can always just increase to drawing enough for 6mg and have more peace of mind until you get a test
yeah but i don't want to go too high and idk when i can do a test
also 6mg means i run out sooner

>>41107901
nona, you're being way too extra about it. Your body's immune system exists for a reason. Cuts happen and infections get in; your body knows how to deal with it.
If you drop a needle in dirty liquid or spill something on it, yeah sure toss it, but otherwise it's probably fine

>>41110271
You don't usually cut yourself as deeply as you push an injection needle and if you do, you probably need a doctor. The one time I did cut myself that deep I did get an infection that required antibiotics and a cast for a month. I agree OP is a bit extra but its good to be careful with this

depending on the carry oil thats gonna be a nightmare to draw with.

>>41110271
i'm very scared of messing this up but stupid enough to try anyways

>>41110410
i'm not really being extra considering i'm still using these needles

>>41110474
mct

>>41110410
What did you cut yourself on tho? A clean hypodermic needle inserted 1cm in? Or a gross thing left out to the elements?
>>41110535
Have more faith in yourself nona

>>41111228
It was a leatherman that I dropped blade tip first into my foot

>>41111228
>Have more faith in yourself nona
idk i'm really scared i'm gonna mess something up and i've just been getting lucky

>>41111251
So an unclean knife you keep in your pocket or belt holster? That's not a fair comparison
Also... OWWWWWWWWWIE ;-; that hurts just reading that
>>41112187
A lack of confidence leads to dumb mistakes. Do it right every time like you have been and you'll be fine

>>41112533
>A lack of confidence leads to dumb mistakes. Do it right every time like you have been and you'll be fine
i can feel myself shaking and also when i breathe i see my belly moving as well

also i've only used one vial so far, who's to say the other vials are good and not contaminated or something

>>41109258
>>41109294
Should be fine, maybe it's like 2% less sterile but basically the same difference.
>tupperware
I would try to minimize touching other needles/inside of the tupper when you take yours out out of principle but again if you're not rifling your unwashed hands around all in there basically the same difference it's not like a jug of milk where any bacteria will grow and spread

>>41112976
Nona, you're being a hypochondriac rn. Stop

>>41112998
agree + I've injected after:
-accidentally touching sides of needle
-brushing needle against my dirty jeans
-forgetting to wipe down injection site
-not being able to wash my hands
for a year and I've been fine. Not stuff you should do but really you're worrying way too much

>>41112977
also how long should i still be sore after injecting

>>41112998
sorry anon, injecting diy hormones is extremely unnerving for me, it's scary as all hell

>>41113158
idk I usually don't get lasting pain anymore after the injection unless I inject too fast (I aim for 1min with 25/27g) + I don't touch the site after so idk if it's sore to the touch

It used to burn for maybe 5min after, longer to the touch. I occasionally get a small hard lump under the skin that's painful when I put pressure on it and lasts a couple days. No clue how much volume you're injecting though I do .2mL (ftm)

>>41113540
it only is sore if i touch it, like a bruise

>unless I inject too fast (I aim for 1min with 25/27g)
wdym by 1 min

>>41113575
push the plunger down slowly over the course of a full minute because the carrier oil for t is really thick and I assumed it was the same for e, I might be retarded

sore like a bruise for a little while maybe 20-40min? I don't really keep track

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sometimes I am like, no, trannies dont exist, there is no way anyone could frankenstein inject themselves with relatively random cocktails of experimental chemicals on a religious schedule, all because they disagree with God about whether or not they possess a DNA injector or a DNA receiver between their legs

But then LGBT keeps reaching the 4chan front page and I gotta read your nonsense

>>41113825
>LGBT keeps reaching the 4chan front page
what the fuck version of 4chan are you reading

>>41113825
injecting yourself is actually really fun, you should do heroin

>>41113825
>random
These things are pretty well-tested actually and very clean.
>front page
What kind of complete psychopath actually uses the front page? Do you browse without the catalog as well?

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>>41107901
i've been using easytouch the entire time, no problems other than the occasional really blunt needle. i might switch to BD depending on how i feel, i have to restock soon..

>>41109289
yeah its fine. just make sure it gets injected deep enough.
subq gets crazy levels and lasts a little bit longer.
im gets metabolized slightly faster. but its much more painful to get it in there.
its not worth your thigh hurting all week. easier to just subq it.

i've never injected with a needle shorter than 1''
but i do see my levels every few months and theyre always high, which bothers my doctors.
but i feel bothered when im under 200.. it freaks me out.
i'd rather be on the higher end for my peace of mind.
estradiol is very potent when injected.

even if doing only like 5-6mg a week, it'll still be plenty to keep most above female range.

>>41114684
does im vs subq technically affect when trough is reached and thus at what time you should get a blood test?

>>41114684
also, how do you explain to your doctors your high levels? i've had doctors threaten to stop treating me before if i don't follow their instructions and with injections it's really obvious i'm not doing the 4mg of pills they prescribed