Why is it only ftms who do this? I’ve never seen mtfs want to be masculine
my guess would be that there is more fun to be had with feminine than masculine fashion. trans women are gaining this while trans men are losing it. not that there is no draw to masculine fashion (i am one of the trans women you are wondering why don't exist in the op), but it's certainly much less. i hear cis men complain all the time that they have no options when it comes to the things they wear.
why so many south east asians look like frogs?
they do ts just to detransition and say they were groomed or sum
>>41114453Trans men are not scared of femininity the same way as cis men
>>41114453There are butch MTFs
>>41114453>I’ve never seen mtfs want to be masculinei have. they call themselves "butch transbians."
>>41114453i think because masc fashion all became andro over the last 50 years. like a man wearing a sundress is weird but a woman wearing jeans and a tshirt isnt (it would have been 70 years ago though).
"butch transbians" are such a fucking scam. Don't put in any effort and still get pissed when you're misgendered? Maybe fucking try? Just a little?
>>41115514Lol even cis butch lesbians often get misgendered. With male as the "default gender," existing as a woman in this world means performing some amount of femininity or risking misgendering and being kicked out of the women's restroom.
>>41114453Because they are women who don't actually want to be men. Bedroom checks out.>>41114680>>41115067>b-but the cis men!Which she is not.
>>41114453Bc those kinds of trans men are traumatized women and don't suffer real dysphoria, or on the other hand maybe they just have agp which makes them very malebrained and is valid
>>41115758Only trans men can have dysphoria
Why are people always surprised trans people come in multiple different variations?
>>41114453>walls are covered from top to bottom with posters of prettyboy kpop idolsdo pooners know there's not a single male on planet earth that acts like this even including the faggiest of flamer fags?
>>41115638>>b-but the cis men!while the implication here is not what i said, i agree with you partly. they're different. cis men, on the whole, are probably gonna have a harder time exploring feminine fashion when 1. such a thing is explicitly interdicted by gender norms and 2. they probably don't even own those clothes to begin with and would have to go out and buy them, without any sort of prior knowledge of the fashion. most trans men would only have to deal with the former of these, and it is likelier that they will not care as they are already "breaking gender norms" by being trans in the first place. that doesn't mean they're not men. am i not a woman because i like to dabble in masculine fashion? why aren't men allowed that same freedom?
>>41116240>wahh societyOccam's razor. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.>"breaking gender norms" by being transkek
>>41116838>picrelyou obviously dididrc what your anti-intellectual take is i'm answering the question in good faith
>>41116133Just kind of surprising when it's not "multiple different variations" but rather the average ftm. How is dressing like a woman while being a woman a variation?
>>41116240Women dressing like women will never be "breaking gender norms" These are cucked beliefs that will set us back. There's a difference between dressing feminine like ftfemboys do and just being an alt girl. Trans men deserve better, honestly I'm not going to jump the gun and say they don't have dysphoria because some ftms do but still dress feminine for approval. Whatever the case is, let's stop acting like exploring feminine fashion is so fucking progressive and radical for a female.
>>41114453because for ftms being trans is a fashion thing
>>41117399Selection bias
>>41116894>you obviously didWasn't the point of picrel, it doesn't have to be a drawn-out explanation regardless of what faith it was in.>idrc what your anti-intellectual take isNot really saying anything "anti-intellectual", but alright.
>>41114453I mean I do this. I'm MtF with tomboyish interests and I like to do masc as well as fem fits. Really just whatever I like the vibe of. Tho I will admit my masc fits are more going for a pretty boy vibe than the butch vibe.
>>41114453as a transfem I dress in menswear a lot at home. It's just more comfy. I do take care of myself otherwise and I usually dress somewhat fem when going out to not get misgenderedalso can you really dress hypermasc as a girl ?? People who identify as that usually are also into /fit/ which makes for 99% of the "masculine" effect
>>41115514I mean not really I do a soft butch look and get gendered correctly so like it's a skill issue.
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>>41114453Actually I would dress like a 1910s/20s young man with a green waistcoat and plaid pants and Oxford shoes. Everyone thought I was very cute, and it actually reinforced my belief that masculine clothing can emphasize feminine features.
>>411144532/3 of every transbian ive ever met is either going through or has gone through a phase where they dress and act like gay teenage boys
>>41117457That's also selection bias. I'm talking about teenaged "ftms" who are alt autistic girls that think they're boys, not men. I respect ftms who strive to be men.
>>41120694That's still femininity, aligned with their identity as a trans woman. Plus, lesbians are masculine all the time. You don't see mtfs flaunting broad shoulders or otherwise male features like ftms do.
>>41121487>dressing like a boy is femininityholy cope
>>41114453more women pretending to be ftm and most men pretending to be mtf are hyperfem for the fetish
>>41114453Okay but he does look like a crossdressing guy so I guess he won
>>41114453Trenders.
>>41121453>teenagedI found the problem, they usually can't get hrt at that age without parental consent (rare)
>>41114453because they are girls lmao>>41120268Why do women turn ftm anyway cant they just be cute autistic women tradwife like they literally are just goth women who then get pregnant tradwife stuff cant they just accept they are women and enjoy being women and stop wasting money on those nonsense surgeries
>>41114453yes you have. what is boymoding?
>>41123986>Why do women turn ftm anyway cant they just be cute autistic women tradwifeThey are trans
>>41123986Why don’t trans women stay as men? They could be 6’0 cute autist twinks that are feminine.like they literally are justfem menwho then get fucked by chadsfemboy stuffcant they just accept they are men and enjoy being men and stop wasting money on those nonsense surgeries
>>41114453being queer is a fashion statement for women. It's a trend. They're not ftms
Gender dysphoria is different in amab's and afab's.Take the most gender non confirming nations, Sweden, Norway, Thailand. Places where male expression of femininity isn't condemned by violence, and no one bats an eye at GNC people.The same phenomena plays out. Mtfs would kill kittens to be 100% cis fem, and (some) ftms are just quirky women, who want a label. Legit ftms are actually blokes, and would spit in your face if you tried to make them wear a dress.These are not legit ftms, these are attention seekers looking for a community to belong to
>>41127055Clothes have no gender, thats stupid. Men are men, even if they dress like women
>>41114453Because they’re fucking women. They are women with autopedophilia. They want to be little boys and dress themselves up in sissy clothing. They are literally everything TERFs claim trans women are, but even worse.
>>41114453>I’ve never seen mtfs want to be masculineIdk if it counts but I do quite enjoy wearing suits
>>41127086I need people to understand that these women are fantasizing about raping little boys. They are the ones who created the 1500 genders. TERFs are perverted in their own way, but at the very least they also recognize these women as a threat. My heads too foggy to get into this as I just woke up but I’ll be back to talk about bishounen
>>41114453Because the masculine ones aren’t the trenders posting this retarded shit on tiktok. We’re the ones actually passing and living as men. These are foids, nothing more nothing less. Women that want to feel different and special but will eventually get knocked up by some dude for their irl yaoi.
>>41127208you are an insecure loser if you think that dressing in boy clothes makes you more of a man than ftm femboy on t
>41127222>Clothes have no genderSure, go and wear a pink miniskirt and a crop top around the supermarket
>>41127222poon chads can do that, unlike you, scared little boy
>>41127234Based mods deleting that garbage post
>>41127226Ive been on t for 4 years, am stealth, and am scheduled for top surgery soon. I do absolutely believe it makes me more than a man than most of the faggots on tiktok since most of them aren’t even on t.
>>41127363Every tiktok poonie has top surgery. Just cause you started t too late and look like a man with birthing hips, it does not make you more of a man
>>41127228Notice how most of these cis femboys and ftfemboys are taking pictures in their bedrooms and not the grocery store... Hm, I wonder what that could mean. Surely these people couldn't be dressing masc when in public?
>>41127377> Every tiktok poonie has top surgeryThe picrel in OP’s post doesn’t have top surgery though?
>>41127453Its a padded bra
>>41127524Nta but proof
>>41127524That person is 18 so it's very likely they don't have top surgery
>>41114453I wish I was taller and thus had a more slender feminine figure so I could pull off roomy suits more like an androgynous model would. I like how masculine clothing hangs off a feminine or tall slender frame. it's very erotic to me to see a woman or a man who can pull off the look. I'm too stocky for the 80s suit look but I can pull off a 70s suit with bell bottoms and give off an androgynous vibe that feels right to me. That's what I wear at weddings and formal events rather than a dress. I got my girlfriend into suits as women's formalwear too, and it feels extremely gay when we are together at an event wearing suits. They don't match exactly and she and I have different heights, but our hair length and hair styles are similar, so there is a consonance we have that is a special something to me.>t. mtf
>>41127066clothes are obviously one of the main ways human beings signify gender. it's a social reality. they are marketed specifically towards their gender. you couldn't pay 90% of men to go out in public wearing a dress.
>>41127086pretty much the majority of afabs have some degree of autopedophiliathey want to be a smol princesses that gets spoiled by a tall masculine man (their daddy) while all they do is lay down and let the man do everythingftmism is mostly the same, except instead of being a daddy's little girl they want to be daddy's little boybut there are true ftms, they are just comically rare
>>41128893Hey you’re a fucking faggot with a nerdy ass voice
>>41128754>couldn't pay 90% of men to go out in public wearing a dress.Its because cis men are cowards who hate femininity
>>41129331Women will literally never let us see a vagina again
>>41129331they fear appearing femininethrough gendered clothing
>>41114453Boymoders exist.
>>41129340if you are a charismatic man, wearing a dress to clown around or do something artistic will net you 10x as much pussy as a weak and fearful man who forsakes the dress. this is the forbidden truth.
>>41129331it's because women hate feminine men>>41129340this too
>>41129340>>41129422Omega males admitting they adjust their appearance for female alpha validation
>>41129406Boymoders aren't MtFs who love dressing hypermasculine as a hobby to post online. OP picrel isn't a even a "girlmoder" either.
>>41126468+ >>41129518
>>41127386Chads are kidnapping them and taking them to the sex dungeon
>>41129331>hate femininityWhat's feminity got to do with clothing. All clothing is genderless according to terf freaks.You can wear a pretty dress with nice bows, and still be considered just as masculine as the next guy, not one person will notice, huh, that dwayne Johnson look alike in a frilly romper? What's the problem, I don't see any issues, says the average normie
>>41129410>clown aroundOk now do it 100% serious, by yourself on a Tuesday afternoon
>>41129620why would you do it seriously unless you were a transvestite? we already know most women don't like those. what's your point?i'm just saying that a man can wear a dress on certain occasions, to the acclaim of many women, and get pussy. whether or not picrel was actually trans or w/e, it still illustrates my point.
>>41129609Clothing can be feminine, it does not mean that it has gender
>>41129340Many men in womens clothing are hot to women. Try it!
>>41129518Many boymodders make it their personality and post about it in tiktok etc
>>41129669Do it seriously
>>41129782Ok I need to stop falling for bait
>>41129810post an example
>>41129331>it’s because cis men have to face consequences for straying outside the rigid gender norms enforced by the matriarchy
>>41130273I wish this were a matriarchy so I could have 4 cis male husbands, but instead they want to be selfish
>>41130273the norms are rigid in your head, but if you had creativity, courage, a flair for the flamboyant and a little joie de vivre you'd realise that you can get way more pussy by bending them than by following them to the point that you never try anything in life or elicit any excitement and surprise in a woman. People like playfulness.
>>41114453There are trans butch lesbians, including ones that basically stay men
>>41114701Ethnic features
>>41129810Which still doesn't take away the fact boymoders (and the concept of boymoding as a whole) aren't defined by that minority. These women are purely performative.
