>>41127136
the demedicalization of transsexualism and its consequences has been a disaster for the tranny race

>>41127136
wrong website buddy. leave + never come back.

>>41127136
Whatever will allow me to be a regular normal transsexual from 2006 and leave all these weird fucking freaks behind. Medical, spiritual, legal, just get me away from them please.

>>41127168
Then who would ask you your pronouns and teach children about gender?!

The true goal of transsexualism is castrating homosexuals to promote female supremacy.

>>41127136
>if sex and gender are separate then fucking act like it!
It is the incongruence between the two that causes suffering, which requires medicalization to alleviate.

>>41127306
Why do they have to match? Why can’t someone be masculine and feminine?

>>41127311
Its not about just being masculine or feminine, its about tangible sexed traits.

>>41127177
If all goes well those people would be castrated, strung up in public, and left for dead.

>>41127324
Why cant you have male physical traits and female behavior? Why must behavior and anatomy align?

>>41127334
Because dysphoria stems from a mosaic of anatomic, behavioral, transvestic, physiologic and interpersonal desires.
If your desire is anatomic, you cannot fulfill it by behaving like the other sex, you must change your body to be anatomically similar or equal to the opposite sex.

>>41127306
Kindly take your bullshit and stick it in your oh-so-congruent neocunny, faggot.

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>>41127416
You didn't try to argue because you know you'd lose.

>>41127136
>>41127416
psyop, bait, cope
if you don't want to medicalize you were never actually trans, simple as

>>41127362
>anatomically similar or equal
how does one fix man-hands exactly

>>41127454
I didn't say you could actually fulfill the desire, but estrogen might help, a little bit, on the long term, but some parts of the body you're SOL.

>>41127457
this
we fix the parts we can to reduce the pain
we try to live with the parts we can't fix

>>41127445
this 110% i can understand not wanting surgeries (all i got was orchi) but not taking hrt is faketrans as fuck

>>41127445
This is assuming there is a trans to actually be. I think it's all bullshit from top to bottom surgery and what we call "trans" is the heteronormative world demanding we fit in boxes. A real trans person is someone that surpassed gender altogether, not someone that wears blue instead of pink.

>>41127481
>all i got was orchi
Did this make you pass

>>41127419
Ha, yeah sure buddy. If they came up with a pill that stopped so-called "gender dysphoria" in the brain you'd come up with some other excuse to have tits bolted on.

>>41127619
No id just not take that lobotomy pill and continue transitioning like I was before it was invented

>>41127619
Would you hop into the experience machine?

>>41127605
I am a 6'4 twinkhon with luckshit face. my most clocky feature is my height and that is unfixable sadly. but no obviously orchi didnt make me pass but i just wanted the tumors removed.

>>41127688
actually the term is ogre but thanks for replying

>>41127362
your arguments are fluff and entirely without substance or merit, a ball of verbal obfuscation

>>41127753
What about that message is lacking in substance? I think there's a clear point there.

>>41127454
Ideally you never develop them (unless you're into that sort of thing).
We have the technology but for some reason even the wokes want us to suffer so they can feel good for accepting us even though we're freaks.
Otherwise what >>41127474 said.

>>41127419
Your suffering is the want for titty skittles, it's the suffering of a toddler throwing a tantrum. Get over it.
If trans medicalization didn't exist you wouldn't have this rat clawing in your brain demanding to be "fixed," you'd just be gay, or goth, or furry, or a gay goth furry. You'd cope without castrating yourself.

>>41128061
>If trans medicalization didn't exist you wouldn't have this rat clawing in your brain demanding to be "fixed,"
Why do you think that?
>you'd just be gay, or goth, or furry, or a gay goth furry.
??? I'm gynephilic.

>>41128061
people survived just fine without medical intervention, they just survive better now that we have it.

https://le.utah.gov/AgencyRP/reportingDetail.jsp?rid=636

here is one comissioned by fucking utah that showed its a net positive even for kids.

Do you believe this because no one has showed you the evidence, or because you choose to a fucking retard?

>>41128085
lesbians dont crave cock

>>41128089
like i honestly don't understand how you can believe what you do when transexualism has existed in some form since like 1920, you people are just thick as a fucking rock and like tormenting a random ass class of people and then calling them snowflakes when they want to stop being tormented

>>41128127
Nobody has ever changed sex or gender. Transsexuality is completely fake.

>>41128127
Has no one bothered to explain these things to you? Why do you feel so confident to wander into tranny spaces and spout the same 3 talking points we have heard so many times to render them essentially into jokes?

>>41128137
that statement doesn't fucking mean anything because these people like what is being done to them, another talking point I have heard 1000 times and is basically a joke at this point

>>41128092
yes they do, also gays crave pussy too

>>41128137
like are you a fucking bot? You people all have the exact same fucking points, and they are all just fucking tiring and stupid, i use the same argument every time and then there are more of you.

>>41128165
i should just make a copypasta at this point, it would make this a lot easier

>>41127588
you mean, a nonbinary person is the one that surpasses gender

>>41128089
You mean a gay kid in Utah had a better experience hiding among the ranks of the opposite sex? I'm shocked.

I don't need a study to know nobody is born in the wrong body. You know what a man with a feminine brain is called? A faggot.

"Trans" is invented, and no dressing up in the opposite sexes' clothes isn't the same thing we're dealing with today. Todays "trans" is brand new with a whole different segment of the population falling for it.

You know how many "trans men" there were historically?
Do you know how many there supposedly are today?
There you go, OBVIOUSLY this is different. Most likely a social contagion. You're all like Orcas wearing dead salmon hats.

It's pathetic.

>>41128287
holy shit just shut up already

>>41128300
any tranny with an IQ over room temperature has wondered the exact same things you have and then came to the conclusion that transitioning is the solution, you are just some baboon who wants to tell us what we think

>>41128311
like i show you a study, and then you make up some bullshit, do you think I diden't try being a gay man?

You are a low value individual with that way of thinking, I don't care if its trannies or the tensile strength of a new alloy, you choose not to be reasoned with.

>>41128339
>rrrr i dont need no damn study to know X

like we have evidence and then you just reject it, you CHOOSE to be a fucking idiot. This goes beyond transgender stuff, I also work as a nuclear engineer and all I see are people who know better than me and who refuse reason.

I fucking hate people like you.

>>41127136
Transmedicalism is based
Non binaries deserve the rope

>>41127311
They have to match otherwise you end up with a mental illness called gender dysphoria

>>41128355
You should be aware of the current state of scientific research then. You can find a study to confirm whatever the fuck you want confirmed, and if you can't you can pay someone to conduct it for you with the results you want.

Step back and fucking THINK. How is someone born with the wrong socially constructed role? There are no genes for lipstick and dresses you retard. In no time or place other than the western world in the past 15 years or so has ANYONE "needed" titty skittles. WAKE THE FUCK UP.

"Trans" is a choice, of course it is, but we're telling gay kids they're born wrong! It's insane!

>>41128377
Why do they have to match?

>>41127136
>if sex and gender are separate
they aren't if they where no one would need to troon it up

>>41128566
>You should be aware of the current state of scientific research
We are, again, you just reject trans neurological research
>There are no genes for lipstick and dresses
Correct, but there are genes that encode hormonal release that lead to particular paths in development, and that creates brain structure. If you think men and women have the same brain structure then you are an idiot
Obviously we think differently, and that difference explains gender dysphoria

>>41128566
i literally told you they have been studying this for 100 years, and the research was commissioned by people hoping it would support their ban on HRT for minors.

Stop blowing shit out your ass.

>>41128640
like im pretty sure 60% of trannies have had to wonder if it was a social contaigen or phase too, we aren't as stupid as you seem to hope we are, if anything this board seems to have better intelligence than /sci/ at least

>>41128637
The trans neurological studies that conspicuously failed to account for sexual orientation as a cofounding factor? THOSE trans neurological studies? Kek, oh my sides

>>41128715
don't act like you know what your talking about lol

being trans is a form of neurological intersex

>>41128715
so is being a homo, and these things are not conflated in those studies they are highlighted as a diverse emergent constellation of internal sex/sexuality identities with distinctive physical ranges of traits in the brain that are both independent of and can overlap with each other

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>>41128715
>kek oh my sides!

>>41128735
Oh, but I do know what I'm talking about! These "trans brain studies" rediscovered homosexuality. They mirror studies done on homosexuals from the 90s. I thought you liked studies, go check those out! kek

And then maybe ask yourself, WHY did they not account for sexual orientation in their "trans" studies? Hmm... I wonder...

>>41128780
of course homosexuality and transexualism are interrelated, there is a reason they are often conflated in pop culture.

Anyways I know what I went through and it is definitely something you can attempt to repress and fail at like being gay is, so when I have research papers and lived experience on my side I just don't find anything you say very compelling except maybe as something that would ruin my life if too many people started believing it.

>>41128792
like you are someone who has lived underground all their life trying to tell me the sky is green when I can clearly look outside and see it is blue, do you see why I have so little respect for your position?

>>41128780
substantiate your claim or shut the fuck up

>>41127136
I dont get whatchu saying homie, but show some cheeks. I will agree on anything you say, if you send a pic of dem cheeks. >>41127165 can blow my balls nigga, I am tryna get some cheeks here. ROCK WILL NEVER DIE MOTHAFUCKA!!! FUCKING 4CHAN AGAIN WITH ITS FUCKING CAPTCHAS!! NIGGA TRYNA GET SOME CHEEKS AND THIS SHI COCKBLOCKING A HOMIE!!!

>>41128715
fem gay men are far more fem than masc gay men, unless they directly compare giga flamers to hsts the studies mean nothing since their claim is that hsts are more fem than giga flamers.

you need to understand no one believes in your disguised TERF bullshit
>abolish da gender!
no, we are not feminists here retard.

>>41129184
abolish strict gender roles that trannies only enforce by acting out stereotypes.

>>41129241
i still basically live like a dude i just like being a chick

>>41128800
Yes, you're like someone wearing green tinted glasses that refuses to take them off, got it.
I don't care about you, it's already too late for you, I care about the new gays not falling for the same trap you did.

>>41128815
Baby wants a linky or he can't thinky. qq

>>41129294
nobody knows what study you're talking about or believes you :)

>>41129241
I did not say "gender roles", silly subhumanoid. I said "gender" full stop. Gender will never be abolished (and as a consequence, gender roles) because it is a fundamental fact of human psychology.
Want to prove me wrong? Then all you have to do is find a single culture which had no concept of gender. Go ahead, retard, prove me wrong
>but no gene for lipstick
It tickles me how stupid you are. That different cultures have widely different gender norms and roles does not mean there isn't an underlying gender concept that is part of the human psyche, and always will be.

But all of this is irrelevant, all of this is purely a bunch of curiosities unrelated to our subject. Here is the subject: "trannies should stop taking hormones", to which the answer couldn't be simpler: No. I will keep taking hormones, as I don't care about "but I have the woman mind hehe", I care about attaining a form which mimicks that of the male form. I am a Transexual because I seek to have the secondary sex characteristics of males.
This whole gender bullshit and grand theories of gender, developed by feminists, have been a disaster against trannykind who eagerly adopted the fashionable nonsense of feminist academics which dreadfully dominated the humanities

>>41127136
This has to be bait

>>41129285
Do you genuinely think trannies have it easier than gays? god don't make me fucking laugh.
Regardless, here is a challenge for you, retard: explain the existence of bisexual trannies to me. If trannies are gay men trooning because heteronormativity made them do it o algo, then how come half of trannies claim to be bisexual?

>>41129285
most gays never troon out you dumb piece of shit, you think I didn't give being gay a spin?

>>41129424
i can literally describe the feeling i started getting as a kid, but you wouldn't believe me because you just want some goddamn excuse to say its not a thing, so go to hell.

>>41129424
Hello newfag

This is gincel youre talking to. He's been posting shit like this daily for 5 years at least. The only options here are telling him to kill himself hoping he will act on it or ignoring him. He will never change his mind on anything nor will you ever get anywhere productive talking to him. Good news is his posting style becomes recognizable over time

He's basically a 2003 tier bot, ignore

>>41129438
like i am friends with some gay people who just, don't want to troon out. And I am good with that, they never got the bug I got.

Your just a fucking asshat, maybe when evidence and personal experience align you should just take that as a sign to leave people alone?

>>41129463
god damn, thanks.

You sure it actually isn't just a bot?

>>41129365
Usually it's because they're gay, but not every time. Some troon out because they have a fetish, or because they were abused, or because they're autistic. There are LOTS of different reasons, but not one of them is "because they're trans" because that isn't an objectively real thing.

>>41129463
I'm not the same person you're talking about. I assume there are many people noting the same things I am, this isn't original research, it is known.

>>41129365
Yes, trannies have it easier than gays. In Iran gays are murdered or forced to be trans. Parents have been known to prefer having a "trans" kid than a gay one. Trannies often opine over wanting to disguise their faggotry by blending in with the opposite sex. Internalized homophobia, etc. This is obvious stuff.

>>41129554
>Yes, trannies have it easier than gays
actual retard holy kek
>In Iran
you are not iranian howeverbleit and neither is anyone on this board
>This is obvious stuff
maybe if you turn your brain off and stop experiencing anything at all about the world

>>41129621
>le trans is hard
People decide to be an oppressed group all the time, they might prefer being a poor little tranny bravely facing an ignorant and bigoted world against all odds, just brings a tear to your eye doesn't it? We should give the poor troon an attention cookie.

>>41129684
>people transition into a marginalized demographic
>could it be that this indicates that gender dysphoria is actually so painful that they would prefer discrimination, ostracization and assault to that dysphoria?
>no! It's the marginalization that is fake :D

my head... I can't anymore

>>41129796
No no no, the marginalization isn't fake, it's a bonus. It's social currency. The tranny crowns himself Queen of the misfits, long live the King.

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>>41129796
gender dysphoria means you dont want to accept being gay

>>41130146
yeahhh that reasoning kept me from trooning out for 4 years, and I made peace with my sexuality while slowly spiralling into depression and suicidal ideation
then one day I woke up and realized that it was I just hated being male, and this whole thing was a distraction from my true feelings
so I tried to get rid of the feelings
and then I went to a doctor who told me I'm trans and the only cure is estrogen
and then I didn't believe that for a while, but I eventually gave in and took the pills and he was right, they helped
I'm happy now
so really, I did try your perspective but it wasn't true for me

captcha: p4sgn lol

>>41127136
go back to tumblr

>>41130146
This. Feeling wrong doesn't make you right.

>>41129926
holy based

>>41129926
is that from The Sick Trans Person???? I need the book that is from please

>>41131641
look at the filename, silly

>>41127136
>"if sex and gender are separate then fucking act like it!"
Sex and gender are really obviously konseptually konnekted
If there is no sex ,or sex kan be altered at will ,then ther iz no gender

>>41127588
WRONG.

>>41127334
>Why cant you have male physical traits and female behavior?
You can.
You can also want to change and medicine is there for you