Want to know how bad things have gotten?The AFAB trenders have stopped trooning out. It is too troublesome to be a pronoun chick now.
>>41137329She still looks relatively cute and hasn’t been ravaged yet by trans healthcare. We must protect our girls
>>41137329Thats the most normal reason to not transition, its dangerous. You just hate afabs. Im not a cuck like u
>>41137349She is pre hrt. It is the testesterone that ruin these young girls.
>>41137329>trans women when everyone wants to kill them: "transition or death", DIY>trans men when someone was a little rude: "well I'm just gonna be a woman for all my life teehee and breed 6 kids for a man that beats me up teehee"
>>41137369Why do you think you can police other people and why your opinion matters? Everyone who wants to be on t, should.
>>41137381Yet more mtf detransition than binary ftms, why is that?
>>41137402Where did you get that impression? FTMs are the majority of detransitioners despite being the minority of transitioners.
>>41137422No they are not. Non binary afabs are not trans men and they should not be counted as them. Mtf detransition more than ftms. Also these days afabs transition way more than amabs
Being a girl must be great. Whatever you do is life on ez mode and everyone gives you free sympathy and a hundred shoulders to cry on. Meanwhile as a man if I complain once I'm told to "man up" and I'm a bitch for thinking anyone cares
>>41137556You are never forced to carry your rapists baby to full term while you are only 9 years old so your life is million times easier. Enjoy being a man getting to do whatever you want, you can even SA people and nobody gives a shit, you can even be the next president
>>41137542>Non binary theyfabs are not trans menThey literally are. They're mostly edgy teen girls who would transition to male in a heartbeat if being a manlet had any benefits or privileges over living life as a female. It doesn't.
>>41137578Non binary is not someone who is a man, you idiot.
>>41137571Oh yeah let me just reach into my pocket of "male privilege" and become president, lol
>>41137422>>41137402https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34665380/69% are afabshttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38038854/91% were afabshttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34593070/4 out of 12 detranners were afabshttps://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/107/9/e3937/6572526?login=falseTransfems were more likely than transmascs to continue taking hormones after a period of 4 years (81.0% (72.0%-90.0%) vs 64.4% (56.0%-72.8%)).
>>41137604>littman>hand picked 78 amerikkansNigga i usually like you but come the fuck on everybody knows xer studies are hand picked bullshit
>>41137571>Just become the president
>women unironically thought that getting a septum ring and a wolf cut would make them a president or CEO because of some femcel shit they read on /r/twoXchromosomes/The internet was a mistake
>>41137604Afab is not the same as a trans man, you idiot
>>41137692You can do it, men do it all the time. Men vote for a sex criminal rather than a woman so I believe in you
>>41137381I remain convinced from that thread yesterday that the anti FtM propaganda is a psy-op
>>41137644I just googled this and looked if in the introduction section there were additional studies. Sloppy job, but I just wanted to fact check with some studies, not to do a deep dive on the topic.Also, ain't no way I know enough about trans culture to know which shrink is a hack in the field.
>>41137571You've never been raped shut up! And I mean actual rape not imagined rape
>>41137708So trans men transition from which agab?
>>41137724Its just troons hating on ftms becoming happy as men and bitter bottons who know their poop hole is inferior to boi pussy.
>>41137724 By that thread yesterday I mean >>41128809
>>41137734Next separate non binary identities from binary if you want to make a point
>>41137739Many afabs transition to become non binary trans mascs which is not the same as wanting to be a man (trans man), know your terms
>>41137724Since 4tran got banned theres a surplus of retards and psyops coming here sadly
>>41137737But my male "friend" turned out to be attracted to me, that's rape
>>41137737I have been raped. Every female has
>>41137768Men often think its flirting when they finger sleeping women or when they send a pick of their turd looking penis to a minor. I would rather get a picture of a real turd than look at those monsters made by nature desu
>>41137743So every trans man is an afab, right?Your issue was whether enbies detransition more than ftms, correct?My crux was whether afabs detransition more often then amabs, because to me the gender binary means something biological.If your crux is whether it's about their ephemeral transition goals, then I linked the sources. Iirc the one where 4/12 were women had the distinction.
>>41137818The discussion was about ftm vs mtf, not afab transmasc/non binaries
>>41137752>non binary trans mascsWhat's that and how is it different from trans men?
>>41137844Transmasc means non binary, trans man means binary, learn the lingo
>>41137844its when a girl goes by him him but still looks and acts feminine and basically doesnt do anything to transition
>>41137869Sometimes they take t for a while to drop voice or get top surgery to be more andro
>>41137752>Many afabs transition to become non binary trans mascs>I get to free myself of the burdens of female gender roles while still presenting as female and keeping all the associated privileges and attention. I'll never take test because it's sooo dangerous to be trans in today's world, not because ftms are all treated as ugly freaks and short second class citizens. Btw did I tell you how oppressed I am?
>>41137855>Transmasc means non binarySo "transmasc non binary" is a tautology?>trans man means binaryWhich means?>its when a girl goes by him him but still looks and acts feminine and basically doesnt do anything to transitionThen she will never go to a clinic to get HRT (in other words, she won't be in these studies)? And she won't be non binary because she goes by masc pronouns?I keep not seeing the difference."Afab takes hormones and uses pronouns" could both mean a transmasc nonbinary and a trans man.It feels like the difference is about those tifs who don't wanna suffer from the stigma of those transgender afabs who don't follow very misandristic misconception about what a man is: trans man is just a woman who takes T, cut her tits, dresses in grey/dark/dull color pallettes and has chud hobbies, because that's what she thinks being a man is all about. Trans masc is about a woman who doesn't do *some* of these things, because for her dressing up in dull color doesn't make her a man. Maybe for her using masc pronouns is what makes her a man. And ftms for some reason (be accepted, gatekeep, hating freedom of expression, ignorant of fashion styles) seethe about these kinds of trans people (because these enbies do transition from their agab). Am I wrong?
>>41137962i saw a bumper sticker yesterday that was exemplary of the upper class white woman persecution complex>"I always knew I would have to watch as powerful men destroy the world. I just didn't expect them to be such LOSERS"
>>41137970Binary means that you transition from female to male. Non binary means you want male pronouns and look andro, you are not a male or a female. They go to clinics and are in these studies as they belong to trans umbrella. If you see someone called trans masculine or non binary, they are not trans men. Enbies might want voice change from testosteron or a top surgery or both. They feel like they have gender dysphoria, just different to trans men and trans women.
>>41138007Enbies have often they/them pronouns. Enbies are the largest group of trans people.
>>41137970I think you just don't get non binary identities. They don't want to be men or women.
>>41137962Or they like to express themselves as they want because they are vapid bitches?Trannies act all serious when they have to gatekeep women from accessing their circles while there is a giga hon 50 years old agp bald rapist who will NEVER be misgendered by them.
>>41137980Thats based from the lady. I also hate seeing men destroy the world.
>>41138034the problem with that is the rapehon is likely still on esttogen it just does nothingthe theyfab isnt on t at all
>>41138041it's the phrasing of>"I always knew I would have to watch"that removes so much agency from herself. like "why yes i do have 4 houses one of which is southampton; what does that have to do with political engagement? i'm just a woman teehee"
>>41138007>Binary means that you transition from female to male.What does it mean to transition from female to male?>Non binary means you want male pronouns and look androIs this what means to transition from female to male?>>41138029No, I get non binary identities from a gender critical theory standpoint, not from a random anon pulling a no true scotsman on transgenders.
>trenderswas always a meme, the reason why more people came out in the later 2010s was because acceptance was increasing. Nobody ever thought about going through a literal sex change because its "trendy". Just rightoid cope.
>>41137571>forced to carry your rapists babya fetus is not a baby and a baby does not belong to their father. a person belongs to themself and no one else.it's one thing to talk about a responsibility you didn't want to be saddled with, it's another to accept patriarchal ideas of a father's ownership of his children and women
>>41138066>What does it mean to transition from female to male?That you were a woman and now you are going to be a man.Non binary means that you don't want to be a man but neither you want to be a woman. You are non binary. You want to be non binary with more masc presentation = trans masc
>>41138148Children are half their parents.
>>41138048So in order to be a binary tranny you need to say that you need to go by the opposite gender pronouns and proving this need by taking hormones that are mostly present in the opposite gender.The theyfab doesn't want to be the opposite gender. She wants to be a third gender, something in between. Does being a third gender have the requirement of injecting a different amount of hormones according to the gatekeepers? Yes.But then you have the filipinos who have the baklas, the american indians who have the bedarches, and they don't require you to inject hormones to be recognized as a third gender.In other words, I don't think a random ftm fishing for compliments because she is a NLOG by making up standards to accept trans in her safe space is a trustworthy source on what a tranny is and what is not. The random shaman who has been talking about the century old custom of the two spirit people in his tribe has a way more organic understanding of gender than her. So no, you didn't convince me to trash the theyfab as something worse than the most gender conforming ftm.
>>41138152>now you are going to be a man.What does it mean to be a man? And when do you start to *be* a man?
>>41137556have you considered taking estrogen to switch to easy mode or is it easier for you to sit around and whine like a bitch
>>41138216>whine like a bitchHe is a transfem binary mtm.
>>41138207When you want to be man you want take the male social role and transition into looking and sounding like a man. Whats hard to understand? Tiktok teens seem to get it fast, whats stopping you? Never heard of the whole trans mascs can be lesbians but trans men cannot as they are men-thing?
>>41138216Flux you are so pretty and I want to be your wife
>>41138257oh yesof coursehow could we have been so blind
>>41137740nah that anon is right, there has been a lot of ftm hate threads lately. i bet its some terf tourist doing that just to stir up shit.
>>41138321most ftm hate threads are by ftms themselves>>41138283why thank you. let's get married immediately
>>41138271>When you want to be man you want take the male social role Which is?>and transition into looking and sounding like a man.So trans men wanna do exactly what the trans masc does when you said she wants to present herself andro?>Whats hard to understandSorry, I just don't espouse academic heteronormativity.>Tiktok teens seem to get it fast, whats stopping you? I have a deeper understanding of gender than TikTok kids. All you are saying is just stereotypes. I don't understand if you are unaware of the fact that you think that being a man is being a stereotypical man.You do realise that the whole feminist movement is about challenging the stereotypes? I hope you can go beyond the stereotypes and give me something more fundamental as to what makes transmen different from transmasc nonbinary people, outside their claims.>Never heard of the whole trans mascs can be lesbians but trans men cannot as they are men-thing?No, I don't have socials. Also, transmen can be lesbians, just like transmasc enbies. But to disprove this you need to prove me that trans men are men, and that transmasc are women.
>>41138347>most ftm hate threads are by ftms themselvesreally?now thats stupid
>>41138120But they don't go through sex changes. Trenders just take hrt and sometimes not even that.You argue in bad faith. Please stop enabling the appropriation of my peoples strife.
>>41138386Ok, you are just playing dumb and you have no desire to learn. Trans masc is a non binary term and they don't want to be men, they don't want to be women either. Trans mascs can be lesbians cause they are non men, and lesbians are non men who love other non men. If you think tra s men are not men, that on you, you can transphobic all you want. You understood some terms incorrectly and when you are told what they actually mean, you pretend like you never heard it. Future is here old men, these are normie terms for gen z.Transfem, transmasc, enby, theyfab, they mab= non binary folksTrans woman, trans man = binary trans peopleIts that simple.
>>41138392You can see when its written by a bitter troon vs poon. Its mostly troons these days
>>41138429Respectfully, you are nuking the lives of actual trans people and need to kill yourself ASAP.
>>41138443they don't sound like a trans girl anon, they sound like trolls trying to create shit
>>41138429>schizosperg ramblings>Its that simpleIf I read even half of this slop to my grandma she would die on the spot, and frankly I wish I also could've.>>41138471Second this.
>>41137724Always will be. Just hide and ignore. I don't understand all the trans guy hate.
>>41138429Check this out.If trans means they transitioned, i.e. acquired a new gender identity (hormonal, physical, social, mental) trans masc and trans men are both valid. >lesbians are non men who love other non menSo an amab who fucks another amab is not gay in the case they both claim to be non binary?>Transfem, transmasc, enby, theyfab, they mab= non binary folks>Trans woman, trans man = binary trans people>Its that simple.Not really. You'd notice that too if you were to explain to me instead of repeating yourself.You didn't explain to me what the male social role is, and if presenting masc is not the same for trans masc people and trans men.The fact that you think it's all so simple is because your world view is simple. It's superficial. Maybe stop comparing yourself to TikTok kids when it comes to your understanding of the world.Are you even 18, anon?
>>41137329this reads a lot like political trooning which is so bizarre to me.
>>41138600It’s the most common type though
>>41137329Hot take theyfabs are good for trans optics
>>41138591
>>41138471>>41138541It's not looking good for you trannies if these are the only kinds of people willing to debate the chuds.>>41138647Theyfabs will be like the lesbians back when homosexuality was outlawed."They are hot. Let's keep them!"
>>41138600both sides have transmaxxers but they do it differently. trans female transmaxxers do it because they have the belief that being a woman will make their lives easier in terms of sex (see the whole failed male thing), and trans male transmaxxers do it because they believe it will make their lives easier in terms of respect. then you have the theyfab/theymab cohort that just really want to be special and unique instead of boring and cis. i do think transmaxxers tend to look physically worse than actual dysphoric trans people in most cases.
>>41137571Ah, of course.The classic American woman experience;9 year-olds carrying neonates to term.lmfaoNo one has sex anymore and no one is birthingYou are painting a hyper-extreme case that happens to fucking nobody whereas the person you're replying to is trying to show a daily existence
>>41138788he's not american. he's a femrepper from probably a majority muslim area
>>41138682Im fully stealth post op and living in another country. Debating chuds as a trans person is idiotic. Just transition and pass and there is no debate to be had.
>>41137369ftms and not shavingdo they need to be force mascd or something they dont take the big leaps like getting some retarded tribal tattoo or again shavingslav eyes + dysgenic male lower face are completely imperceptible because all the attention is on the vile thin girl hair- get rid and its a winehead looking dude
>>41138591>trans masc and trans men are both valid.Yes but they are different. why you cannot understand the difference between transitioning to a non binary person and transitioning to binary trans person? Whats not clicking?>So an amab who fucks another amab is not gay in the case they both claim to be non binary?Yes, it would be queer and possibly homosexual.> the male social role?Wanting to behave like a stereotypical man.You are just bad faith actor, if you still don't get it.
>>41138471>>41138541You are not understanding the youth and it shows
>>41138474Last night she was clearly a bitter tranny
>>41138909Ignorance is bliss when it comes to trying to comprehend the logic of retards.
>>41137773you're a liar and you know it
>>41137724Someone is dedicated to this lol they do this every day
>>41138883>why you cannot understand the difference between transitioning to a non binary person and transitioning to binary trans person? Whats not clicking?The fact that the actions the two of them do are supposed to do are the same. And to explain what I mean by that, I need you to answer the other questions I asked you here.>Yes, it would be queer and possibly homosexual.But is it lesbian? No. What is the difference between gay and lesbian in "LGBT"? One is between women and the other is between men. So two afab enbies fucking each other is lesbian because they are both women.>Inb4 no they are notWell then they are not lesbians.The truth is: the lesbian and the gay label are both binary concepts. Not really suited for weird gender identities.>Wanting to behave like a stereotypical man.Who is the judge for what is manly and what is not? TikTok kids? (You)?What if a man isn't behaving like that sterotypical male? Is he still a man?
>>41139157Why you obsessed with ftm? Is your boyfriend ftm?
>>41139157>The fact that the actions the two of them do are supposed to do are the same. And to explain what I mean by that, I need you to answer the other questions I asked you here.They are not supposed to do the same. Non binary people don't seek similar transition. They want take only some aspects of transitioning, like voice change etc>What is the difference between gay and lesbian in "LGBT"?Lesbian is defined as non men loving non men. Two non binary amabs can be lesbians. Trans man is a man and trans masc is a non man, so a trans masc can be a lesbian .> lesbian and the gay label are both binary concepts.Only in terf or antitrans spaces.>Who is the judge for what is manly and what is not? TikTok kids? (You)?What if a man isn't behaving like that sterotypical male? Is he still a man?Person who is transitioning into a man will decide of that. Man who is born amab is always a man if he identifies so. Trans men often wish to behave like they see normal men around them behave, instead of what is expected from women.
>>41138883How do you transition to a "nobody"We don't have cultural room for this garbageHere's what will happen if you're "trans masc"95% of the time, you're an alt girl5% of the time, people will think you're a poonah
>>41139280We do, we have had non binary they/thems for a while now and men seem to love them
>>41137395Trans men are an abomination. They say that beauty will save the world. Yet they seek to destroy beauty. What does it tell you other than it being good vs evil?
>>41137724The anti Ftm propaganda comes from pooners themselves
>>41139511Trans twinks are the best kind of trannies and the prettiest
>>41139199>Why you obsessed with ftm?It looks like I'm obsessed because they are the ones taking my baits. MtFs are way more rational. Also, I'm just not interested in the MtF side of things.You might say that I am obsessed with women. I love them like I love books and religion. But then, when was the last time you saw a perennialist?I once started talking about the ending of year of rest and relaxation with an anon. He bailed out after one post.I talked with an ftm (ironic) about what canon she read. She didn't know what a canon is.I once hopped on /lit/ and they didn't know what samsara is.I once hopped on /ftmg/ and saw someone saying the dark elves are short.It's tough to talk about these things and you better spend your time studying them rather than talking.Quoting the masons, the easiest things that are talked about are the deepest. It's just easy to talk about gender because everyone takes it for granted. Talking to women who pretend to be of my gender is fun because you see what you are not aware of yourself, what comes natural to women and what comes natural to men.>Is your boyfriend ftm?Is that supposed to be an own? To a khhv chud, of all people?
>>41139907>they are the ones taking my baitsWhy you do that?>Is that supposed to be an own?No, a lot of (cis) people who go back and forth about ftm have a cute trans boyfriend
>>41139199some people get into stamp collecting or perhaps taxidermy. /co/nspirator got into fag stuff on the same level.you must remember that a lot of this board is predominantly cis people who treat it like a zoo where they can gawk at trans people.
>>41139254>They want take only some aspects of transitioning, like voice change etcAnd what is the thing that trans men do more than trans mascs?>Two non binary amabs can be lesbians. Sappho is fucking seething right now.>Only in terf or antitrans spaces.>Person who is transitioning into a man will decide of that.So a self declared transman who uses she her and doesn't transition socially nor medically is a man if she says so?So labels mean nothing anymore. I claim to be a cat and that's who I am because I decided that I do enough to transition to a feline identity.Can a white man say nigger if he claims to be black?This is literally 2016 youtube btw, you gotta start with https://youtu.be/m7ZuffBrloo and back with Steven Crowder's change my mind.>Only in terf or antitrans spacesTheoretically you are in one of them.>Man who is born amab is always a man if he identifies so.No, because he is the one who decides what amab means. You are implying that amab means something.>what is expected from women.Who expects what from women? Man, rewatched that kino video, now I wanna spend a holiday in the /pol/ steppes.
>>41137369i can't wait to have oral sex with that thing
>>41140277>And what is the thing that trans men do more than trans mascs?Trans men take hormones for life and do surgeries like bottom but at least always top surgery>So a self declared transman who uses she her.Binary trans man uses he/him pronouns and see himself as a man and takes steps to transition. If a person wants to use she/her and takes no steps, he is not transitioning. Nonbinary people can just change their pronouns if thats enough for them. Its more that a trans man will choose what kind of cis man behaviors he wants to follow and be part of, thats up to each trans man to decide.>So labels mean nothing anymore. I claim to be a cat and that's who I am because I decided that I do enough to transition to a feline identity.>Can a white man say nigger if he claims to be black?You can claim that but don't expect others to entertain it. White man can say nigger but others might not like it. Everyday trans mascs get made fun of for their non binary identities and they still exists. Same goes for binary trans people. Most people ain't supportive towards trans identities or experiences
>>41140277>No, because he is the one who decides what amab means. You are implying that amab means somethingAmab has a meaning already. Of course you cam decide a new meaning but it might not get accepted by others.>Who expects what from women?The society
>>41140406And I go to sleep now
>>41137329>>41137369you can tell that she wanted to skinwalker troye sivan and ended up like an ugly fat moid
>>41140453Troye sivan is an ugly hag crypt keeper really
>>41139952>Why you do that?Copypasting what I already said:Talking to women who pretend to be of my gender is fun because you see what you are not aware of yourself, what comes natural to women and what comes natural to men.>No, a lot of (cis) people who go back and forth about ftm have a cute trans boyfriendBut they won't fucking misgender them. I see every ftm hater calling them "afabs". Never tifs, never women. >>41140088Flux gets it.I don't really talk about ftms that much anymore, since I got the gist of ftms. I'm mostly looking into what the general lgbt population has to offer. I spend more time on /pol/ and /lit/ as of late.
>>41140473troye still looks better than most ftms at 30
>>41140413>>41140406>The societyGood night.
>>41140496Untrue. Ftms look young and pretty while troey sivan looks ugly and haggy, maybe you just like uggos
>>41140519The OP’s picrel says otherwise
>>41140534Looks like a pretty young girl?
>>41140543She will look like this in few years >>41137369
>>41140277nta but i'll bite>And what is the thing that trans men do more than trans mascs?probably not have a female silhuette / actively work towards getting rid of it as well as hiding itwhat "trans mascs" also hate is hairline masculinization (i don't even mean norwood 3 just simple 2 milimeters of hairline from it squaring out), any kind of facial hair past pubestache/goatee, "bottom growth", fat redistribution (as i said above), getting kicked out of female bathrooms, breast tissue atrophy (they often get top surgery for "le gender" then cry about wanting to get breast reconstruction), voice deeper than tenor, basically vast majority of testosterone effects, that's why they are often on microdoses>b-but ive seen that one hairy zood with their tits outthat's a pooner. Sadly, they're like a quarter of FTMs nowdays.source: was going to "trans meetings" around a year ago for some youngshit bussy>Sappho is fucking seething right now.sappho was a retarded bisexual who killed herself for a guy that rejected her i don't think she would've minded>Person who is transitioning into a man will decide of that.>So a self declared transman who uses she her and doesn't transition socially nor medically is a man if she says so?I think what was meant by that is judging based on observation of male behavior around you, if you went for example to Poland and behaved like an average american younger male, you'd be (rightfully) called a faggot
>>41140556Why would he, there are many pretty poons. Don't be jelly bottom
>>41140576I'm not gonna sit here for long, but in the meantime...>probably not have a female silhuette / actively work towards getting rid of it as well as hiding itIt makes them less feminine, not more masculine. No man cares about his frame unless he has body dysmorphia.>what "trans mascs" also hate is hairline masculinization>(i don't even mean norwood 3 just simple 2 milimeters of hairline from it squaring out)Literally looksmaxxing. That shit is pretty incel tier. Again, pooners might hate themselves so much they think getting bald is a god send. It's a selfhating woman mentality. No man is leaping of joy because of losing even one single strand of hair.>Every other thingThat's probably because it's not aesthetic to them. Which doesn't mean they are more masculine than the self-hating women, just that they think "my body is my temple" or some bullshit.>that's a pooner. Sadly, they're like a quarter of FTMs nowdays.And no one said anything? So I'll say that you are grossly underestimating the amount of "pooners" and also, you are still trying to pull a no true scotsman on ftms.>Transmascs are not real trannies>Pooners are not real trannies>sappho was a retarded bisexual>retardedMy nigga, you take that back.>observation of male behavior around youWhich fails, since the ones who do the observation are autistic women who are socially retarded (because of their autism)...>if you went for example to Poland and behaved like an average american younger male, you'd be (rightfully) called a faggot...and because to learn about the "male behaviour" you can't stop at just one social group. You need to devote your life to it, which clearly all the influx of pooners during COVID didn't do beforehand.
>>41140576If we use your concept of transman, she is a selfhating woman who knows NOT what she wants, but what she doesn't want. She doesn't want to be a woman, and all she does is to distance herself from that idea. Balding, different fat distribution, and whatever is the new behaviours she need to learn from men around her. It requires perfection in the execution, which is impossible, since transmen are supposedly willing to achieve a goal they don't know. Therefore it highlights all the imperfections of the transition.The concept of transmasc is someone who loves certain masculine characteristics and incorporates them in their lives. It doesn't require perfection. It is sui generis.The goal of the transmascs is achieved i the moment they incorporate one of the masculine things they want to incorporate: pronouns, a pedomustache, etc.The goal of the transman is an excuse: it will be reached when everything that her autistic brain deems feminine will be eradicated.That is not what being a man is. This is being a woman that is self aware and hates it. The transmasc is loving herself. She is loving herself and her masculine characteristics. She is more of a man that the transman.I'll be honest with you, if a man wakes up in a womans body, he will not cut his tits off and use half his arm to make a rot dog on his groin.He will buy some male clothes at the trusty store where he always goes to and play cod or someshit. Maybe even finger himself just to see how it feels. This is literally what transmascs do. They see how it feels. Their actions are not dictated by hate.
