>>41150056
you know trans women and even cis men have pelvic muscles right?

>>41150056
that's what dilation is for, it's not to prevent it from "closing up" its to build the muscles there

>>41150059
>>41150062
So you can squeeze it and feel it inside you?

>>41150067
>Both sexes use their pelvic muscles to support organs and control urination and defecation, but female pelvic floor muscles also have a critical role in clitoral function during arousal and climax, a function not present in males

it’s a facsimile and the biggest part of srs that nobody talks about. with or without the loose hole i’m worthless so what’s the point

>>41150076
because males don't have a clit retard, but a climax is literally the pelvic muscles contracting
https://glutescorepelvicfloor.com/does-pelvic-exercises-help-premature-ejaculation/#the-pelvic-floor-your-unsung-hero
>>41150067
yes

>>41150056
the walls are made of dekeratinized skin and so are mine
>>41150067
yes
>>41150076
and you won't believe how obtaining a clitoris changes that... (i'm also not really convinced the statement is true except in that you have to write "penile function" for men)

>>41150081
I wasn‘t trying to hate on it, but I always
read claims of it being pretty much exact the same as a cis woman‘s and while it can be indistinguishable from the outside, I thought it was dishonest to ignore everything else. Made me feel like I was crazy. People are rightfully criticizing phalloplasty, so it‘s weird to see that dissonance there

>>41150110
so if you want an orgasm you have to work your pelvic floor muscles? Unrelated I know, but I often relax them for anal so it's not as tight and making my bf cum too quickly. Do I need to squeeze to get an orgasm myself?

>>41150129
>Do I need to squeeze to get an orgasm myself?
As a natal female I never orgasmed from PIV, only from external stimulation. The squeezing thing can be more of an arousing stimulation because it can trigger the G spot I believe (so does penetration without the squeezing for me, which is a very pleasant sensation but no „orgasm“)

>>41150129
a normal ejaculation/orgasm happen when your pelvic muscles contract enough, if you train your muscles (and mind) you can orgasm even without stimulation

>>41150151
Yeah anal is veeeery similar to that for me. It feels amazing when my bf thrusts hard repeatedly and hits the good spot and I love sex for that alone, without any orgasms. But eventually it would be nice to have an orgasm for once, right?

I can try it with squeezing next time, though I worry about making him cum more quickly.

I suppose it's nice to know that orgasms without external stimulation are "normal", even though I recognize that PIV and anal are still different
>>41150166
interesting!

>>41150126
well I implore you to examine your assumptions given that we're not actually missing the thing you thought it was dishonest to ignore us missing...
>>41150151
same experience here as a post op mtf

>>41150056
Yes I can squeeze my pussy around his cock. It is not just a flesh sleeve that you have no control over. It's part of your body. It's no different than how a guy can make his boner jump. Same muscles.

So yes it is a controllable muscle structure. SRS surgery has come a long way and is quite amazing. There are lots of chasers and trenders/broke copers who say otherwise though.

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When it comes down to it, it seems like the only advocates of SRS are
>people who got it and desperately try to either foist it on others, or lord over those who don't have it, to the point of acting sociopathic
>people who autistically think a vagina is what makes you female and the primary thing men are visually attracted to
>people who only care about superficiality and the fact "I can have sex now," completely disregards the lack of a uterus or the ability to get pregnant (BIG OVERSIGHT)
As someone who can already have sex, wants kids, and can't get pregnant either way, what does this have to offer me?

>>41150251
Believe it or not some girls don't want a penis between their legs. You are a trender, optics nuke, and need to kys.

>vagina
sweety, that's your pelvic floor muscles. you have more control because you've had a vagina since both. they have to dilate to train their pelvic floor to do what your does on it's own.

>>41150260
So you're the first of these. Classic.

>>41150264
technically the dilatation isn't to train your muscle contracting, squeezing, etc, you can already do all of that even with a dick (but it's useless)
dilatation is to train your pelvic muscles to stop contracting since they're used to have nothing there

>>41150260
Also how am I an optics nuke? I don't go around showing my genitals to randos. They aren't going to know unless I'm fucking them and I'm not sleeping around.

>>41150251
>what does this have to offer me?
you do not have to get srs and even should not if you don't want it but for me the draw is this:
my penis makes me dysphoric
i want to be flat (this is an aesthetic desire)
anal sex hurts me
i want to be able to have spontaneous sex more easily

>>41150251
>completely disregards the lack of a uterus or the ability to get pregnant (BIG OVERSIGHT)
Even 100 years from now when SRS gives trannies a full uterus and ovaries too you creeps will just move the goalposts.
>what does this have to offer me?????
Actual sociopathic take, lol.

>>41150056
Srs vag is a muscle tube also baby :3

>>41150318
as a post op all of this is possible. please do not believe the psyopping.

>>41150251
>people who autistically think a vagina is what makes you female and the primary thing men are visually attracted to
It really does make you a female, penis is for gay men and those who want to stay as males

>>41150293
Its the same as treating cis vag vaginismus

>>41150363
exactly

>>41150296
>Also how am I an optics nuke?
Not that anon, but
>"I am a woman!"
>doesn't do anything to prove it aside from oral E
turns 99% of normies off from accepting your identity.
Before the current tranny panic wave cissies would often rudely ask "Have you had the surgery????" upon learning you're a tranny. Not saying it's right but that's what a lot of normies still think about. Also yes people don't want to see exposed penis in women's locker rooms.

>>41150318
That's understandable and totally fine. My issue is when people attack me or try to foist it on me, as you can see in the thread.

I'm a rare weird outlier who genuinely enjoys anal sex.

>>41150322
Try answering the question.

>>41150357
Ok but that doesn't answer my question. So I'm an HRT femboy who wants to be a mom. Why should I get SRS?

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>>41150375
I never said I was a woman, first of all. You made up a guy, said that was me, and said I did.
I'm not on oral E, I'm on injections, prog, and bica. I've had FFS. Even in the deep South I get consistently gendered female. I don't even say I'm a woman, people just assume so.
I don't go to women's locker rooms--why are you parroting conservative/TERF rhetoric?

>>41150126
It's not perfect and not for everyone, but for some people it's better than the alternative of keeping your penis. I see there's already an argument in this thread about it but it really is just an individual choice and not that big of a deal outside of your own personal life
I personally don't like anal, despise my penis and don't want kids, so it's a no brainer for me. I'll get it even if there's some cons because the pros for me are bigger

>>41150376
>Try answering the question.
You first. What do you offer as a potential partner other than being a semen receptacle for shit genetics?

>>41150403
>I'm not on oral E, I'm on injections, prog, and bica. I've had FFS. Even in the deep South I get consistently gendered female. I don't even say I'm a woman, people just assume so.
>I don't go to women's locker rooms
That's all very nice but my whole point is that normies don't give a care about that stuff, all they think about is "OMG PENIS XD"
It doesn't help the case either that a lot of trannies have done their best to shout "gock is valid!" discourse all over normie channels.

>>41150376
>So I'm an HRT femboy who wants to be a mom. Why should I get SRS?
You are not woman so why bother. You will never be a mom cause moms are women. Keep being a man as that what you identify as

>>41150375
>>41150456
>Have you had the surgery
>gock is valid!
I don't go shouting it from the rooftops. but I don't hide it either. I think it surprises people who learned they weren't supposed to ask, and that we all have gocks that we love. But idk why I should hide it when everyone knows that every other woman has a vagina.

>>41150376
hey. person who wants srs here. you are also a woman btw, dont listen to these retards. nobody walks up to strangers on the street to inspect their genitals. if you are treated as a woman and seen as a woman by the vast majority of people, you are a woman. theres plenty of drawbacks to srs (cost, finding a surgeon, recovery time) so I understand the benefits outweighing the downsides for some people.

>>41150456
>You first. What do you offer as a potential partner other than being a semen receptacle for shit genetics?
What a hateful and dehumanizing thing to say.
>That's all very nice but my whole point is that normies don't give a care about that stuff, all they think about is "OMG PENIS XD"
If I pass they're not thinking "omg he has a dick" they just see a woman and move on with their day. They don't have X-ray vision, and I don't go to the beach where my tiny genitals would make a bulge. I never mention my genitals pretty much ever unless it's expressly relevant and anonymous because...why would I?
This seems like a flimsy justification?

>>>41150473
>You are not woman so why bother.
Yeah, like I said there's no incentive for me to get it.

>>41150496
I'm not a woman, I have a dick, I'm just a larper who tricks people for his own selfish reasons. SRS is fine if you have a good surgeon and the technology as improved a lot. Even if it were magic and instant I wouldn't consider it for the aforementioned reasons.

I think transphobes are correct in that I don't need to have my penis to not be a woman

>>41150126
ofc its never gonna be perfect but the closest we can probably get is penile inversion + some form of the davydov procedure, the latter having being used for decades now on MRKH ciswoman that were born without a vaginal canal

>>41150501
>I have a dick, I'm just a larper
So why even have this conversation. Let us be women and you do your own thing

>>41150531
Where am I forbidding you from being women, or saying you're not?
I think I understand the hostility--you feel like my own adjacent yet very different existence is threatening you. I don't view it as such, as I'm not claiming to be a woman, transsexual, or like you.

>>41150056
men or amabs, whatever, have the same pelvic floor muscles that women have. Iirc their exact layout is not 1:1 due to the vaginal opening but you can squeeze it tight; thats how the pelvic floor works. That's the whole point of dilation post-SRS. It's because your muscles are unused to having a wider hole in the pelvic floor and are squeezing it way too tight for anything penis sized to ever be inserted.

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>>41150126
There are a few differences and it's never the "exact same" as a cis vagina, and I say this as a neovagina haver for years now.
>GRS vagina can't ever stretch enough to give birth
>SRS clitoris has a lesser density of nerves, so some surgeons like Dr. Bank create a chon organ which is essentially clitoral type sensitive tissue that lines part of the inner labia so that there's little to no sensation loss compared to a cis vulva. Even though it's flush with the labia and practically invisible, there is still obviously not a cis analogue to this.
>a lot of GRS techniques don't use a mucous membrane material for the vagina lining, but also many of them do and are more similar to cis because of it
>Many surgeons completely remove all erectile tissue, which is not a cis-analogous technique. Others will leave some of it where it ought to be to mimic the physiology of cis arousal.
Those are the main differences I can think of. Also it is pretty weird to obsess over differences in natal vs neo parts in people who had no control over how their bodies developed. Like, imagine hating on a cis woman for getting a breast reconstruction after a mastectomy from fighting breast cancer. Like, what? Maybe there are differences but does it really matter?

>>41150056
People like to pretend that cis women have no feeling or control of their vagina and all sensation is external.

I know... its fucking stupid

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>>41150495
>I think it surprises people who learned they weren't supposed to ask
I'll never understand this about normies desu. When I was early on in transition somebody in HR at my work asked if I was getting "the surgery" and that made me super uncomfortable. Shouldn't they of all people know better?
Even though I did end up getting SRS I still gaslit everyone at work about the time I was gone for over a month and working remotely for 3 months. I'll never ever tell a soul there that I've been to Thailand either since they'll immediately know what happened to me there.

>>41150251
believe it or not, its autism to believe you can be a woman and have a penis. nobody else in society will see you as a woman and they aren't all autistic

>>41150501
>>You are not woman so why bother.
>Yeah, like I said there's no incentive for me to get it.
Not that anon but as a genuine question, would you rather your hypothetical kids call you dad or mom? Also would you rather marry a man or a woman?

>>41150056
doctors view SRS as what you can do with male genitalia for it to look the closest possible to a vulva while maintaining pleasure rather than viewing it as what you can do to transform all the male parts into the homologous female parts. and its funny because thats the case even for zero depth SRS/vulvoplasty

>>41150260
based. that faketranny doesn't even think of himself as female but feels the need to derail every SRS thread

>>41150704
Where did I say I believed I was a woman? You made that up to attack me with.

>>41150736
I will marry a man in the near future and "mom."

>>41150849
If people weren't so adamant and didn't attack me outside of these threads (the only reason I'm here) I'd be a little more docile. Doesn't feel good does it

>>41150675
I'm not worried if people find out I have a vagina like every other girl around
>>41150755
idk about that because in the past the ydidn't even bother with the clit since they didn't think we needed one to have sex

>>41150586
Can I ask about your recovery? How was it, for how long, how painful and whatnot? I'm considering SRS but I'm also terrified of the recovery. Did you have to do anything before the surgery in preparation to it? I heard some people talking about having to get laser hair removal, etc.

>>41150966
nobody is attacking you or telling you to get SRS. we want nothing more than you to keep your penis and live life as a man
when we say women have vaginas, that statement doesn't apply to you!

>>41150056
>On the outside, it tends to look alright.
LOL NO!! Holy shit have you ever seen a real vagina and then have you seen the abomination freak-show that is a "neo-vagina". It does NOT look "alright." It looks and smells like rotting meat that's been left out in the sun for a couple days.

>>41150985
Plenty of people have. For not getting it I've been attacked in this very thread

>>41150999
it depends on the surgeon. some of them went to med school and learned how to do actual vaginoplasty and others make a literal axewound
all of the ones that get posted here are the latter
it's like saying plastic surgery is all a scam and then posting only stuff done in a butcher's backyard

>>41150456
I am the original anon and this trvke explains it better than I could have, thank you

A classic case of OP being a faggot.

>>41150972
>idk about that because in the past the ydidn't even bother with the clit since they didn't think we needed one to have sex
lol perfect example of what I just said

>>41150496
Fuck off redditor subhuman i hope you get aids

>>41151027
No, you got "attacked" (criticized) for saying false things about ppl who get SRS. No one wants men to get SRS. You have a persecution complex mayhaps

>>41151031
How come even those with good SRS results never post pictures?
People with good FFS post pictures
>That's private
It is. They're not obligated.

>>41151086
>How come even those with good SRS results never post pictures?
They do, I've seen them. You just need to look for them in the right places, not 4chin

>>41151086
There are some but most ppl don't want transphobes and fetishists saving pictures of their privates for obvious reasons.

>>41151086
>How come even those with good SRS results never post pictures?
You're seeing the "good" ones already. The anon above is just coping to think the disgusting mutilated flesh he's seen is "just" the bad stuff. No, those rancid axe wounds are some of the better work out there.
>Why haven't I seen a decent looking neo vagina?
Because they don't fucking exist. They only exist in the warped imagination of the mentally ill. Everyone else, just sees a butchered freak-show. Stop the delusion!

>>41151108
then post a link to these good results

>>41151041
>while maintaining pleasure
>not even building a clit
of course most surgeons are male and they're just thinking from a male perspective so i guess it makes sense
>>41151031
the fact that they get away with doing this without bothering to study it properly first it just more evidence of systematic transphobia
any other field they'd be sued for malpractice and have their license taken away if not put in fucking prison, but for this they get to say it's too experimental and the system eats it up.

>>41151140
>then post a link to these good results
They don't exist!
There has never ONCE been a passable neo-vagina.

>>41151148
Yup, surgeons are only required to do something like a week of observation before they can start butchering people, it's ridiculous.

This thread makes me want srs so bad... but ill never be able to afford it :(

>>41151086
Because there is no upside.

We are already living our lives, having stealth sex when it suits us, receiving affirmation from real life experiences and people. It's simply not worth it to post my vagina here to try and sell chud#638272 on it when he's never going to change his mind anyway.

>>41151140
Right!
We're on a fucking image board, and yet the only images you'll see posted are anime, because MtFs are disgusting and should never have to be seen by anyone. Moreover, even the very best MtF porn-stars have at best, pretty fucked up vaginas. There's never been even one that you would think, even for a moment, could be real.

>>41150056
srs makes you automatically better than other trannies and you should tell them so all the time

>>41151228
I'm sorry, but this is such sad cope. No one is asking you to post your face or ANY identifying information. People here are literately trying to see the one part of you that is hidden virtually 24/7. There's no "privacy" element to any of this. No one would EVER know.
In fact, it's so anonymous that you could even just lie and source a random picture you find of a man-made vagina and claim it as your own. But here's the thing, even then, you can't find anywhere across the web a single picture of a MtF vagina that could look like the real thing.
It's just sad.
>receiving affirmation from real life experiences
Unless your experiences are with virgins or kind liars, no one who has seen a real vagina will EVER be confused into thinking what you have is a "vagina"

>>41151319
ok you first, post your penis!

>>41150056
>On the outside, it tends to look alright.
kek

>>41151382
Mines a neo-penis, so it doesn't look real. But I can almost pee standing up now.

>>41150251
there's basically no reason to "advocate" SRS
if you need it, you need it. if you don't, you don't. sounds like you don't.

>>41150972
>I'm not worried if people find out I have a vagina like every other girl around
It's not the "has a vagina" part that's embarrassing for people to know about me, it's the "had a sex change" part and specifically the "went to Thailand to have a sex change" part.

>>41151670
Not that anon but I think there's plenty of reason to advocate for it. For every tranny who gets SRS there's probably 100 cis men (chasers and/or chuds) who try to gaslight trannies into not getting it. If a trans person is unsure about it they really have to dig deep online to find real information and not negative hyperbole, or they have to know someone irl whose had it to talk to about it.

>>41151940
>probably 100 cis men
I find it to be mostly other trannies who are very hateful about it, chasers just look stupid and gay but it hurts coming from troons

>>41151971
>mostly other trannies who are very hateful about it
those are aggressively male cis men

>your not a real wombmyn unless you consume surgical product

>>41150067
Not anywhere close to the same, but yes.

>>41151191
>Yup, surgeons are only required to do something like a week of observation before they can start butchering people, it's ridiculous.
Braindead take.
I had to have been living socially as a woman for two years and been on hrt too, and had to get two psychiatrist letters to have my SRS done. Most wait lists for SRS are a year or more if not up to half a decade.

>>41150975
>Can I ask about your recovery? How was it, for how long, how painful and whatnot?
Mine was not too painful. I only needed the serious painkillers (morphine/tramadol) for about a week. Dilation though is very time consuming for the first year and is moderately time consuming for the second year, but after that it's easy and infrequent. Months 3-4 of dilation were pretty painful.
>I'm considering SRS but I'm also terrified of the recovery.
Do you have someone who can help take care of you immediately after? That'll make a world of difference.
>Did you have to do anything before the surgery in preparation to it? I heard some people talking about having to get laser hair removal, etc.
Unless you get lucky and get a spot with the Suporn clinic you'll have to do 1-2 years of frequent and expensive electrolysis, which is a lot more painful in total than the surgery itself imo. Laser is NOT enough for pre-op prep so keep that in mind.

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>>41150056
This is basically why I've chosen not to get SRS. It's just not even close to the real thing. Plus my boyfriend and I both like my dick anyway. I can tuck when needed for an outfit, and it's not like I go around showing my dick to everyone, so it's not a bother to me whatsoever.

SRS just seems like a lot of work and a lot of long term pain and recovery for very little reward, that should only be used in the most extreme cases of dysphoria.

Myself, I'm just not even close to being dysphoric enough for SRS.

>>41151971
I think the troons who are against it are either coping hard (poor, scared, misinformed) or as the other anon said are possibly trenders.

>>41152062
>Braindead take.
What? My post was about the requirements for surgeons to start performing SRS, not for patients to get it...

>>41152026
Correct. SRS should be fully covered by insurance since it's not cosmetic and shouldn't be locked behind a paywall.

>>41151319
Wrong again, chud. No coping here. Just many accounts of stealth sex with men. Doubt they were virgins as a good few of them were divorced. I don't know why you think you know more about this than someone who lived it but you're wrong you lost get fucked kys etc

>>41152069
Have fun with your poopy hole smelly feces sex then trender

>>41152107
Is that a European thing? Never heard of that before.

>>41152069
>(thing I don't have) is not even close to the real thing. The people who have it don't know what they're talking about :)
Why are you even in this thread?

>>41152127
I think its a WPATH thing.
>There are few to no standardized rules — WPATH guidelines state a requirement for surgeons to be “qualified” but that term is loosely defined. McGinn told me that while some engage in longer apprenticeships with established surgeons, training in GCS can be as short as a week of mere observation.

https://longreads.com/2022/06/08/gender-confirmation-surgery-trans-health-care-thailand/

>>41152122
Do some of y'all just...walk around with shit stuck in your ass all the time and that's why you think everyone else is as dirty as you back there?

Clean up your diet and invest in a bidet, jesus fuck

Ok but at LEAST get orchi to remove the poison tumors

>>41152175
>just completely chang your diet and when you're allowed to eat, and also clean out your adshole regularly making sure to kill any and all healthy bacteria in the process
>this is much better than just having a vagina guys, trust me!

>>41152175
There is always poop particles and smell inside your asshole honny

>>41151940
>For every tranny who gets SRS there's probably 100 cis men (chasers and/or chuds) who try to gaslight trannies into not getting it.
I asked a ton of cis men and pretty much all of them said that they would prefer a post op tranny, it was only after I told them that SRS results are not always good that they told that they wouldnt date a tranny at all and only a few of them confessed that they would prefer a penis over a neo vagina
I think it is the opposite of what you said. its easy to find real information, chuds and chasers are a minority and it is usually trannies that try to gaslight other trannies that SRS is so good
t. troon

>>41152175
>he thinks his shithole is clean
lol

>>41152213
>>41152226
Literally the most autistic response I've ever heard lmfao.

Y'all act like prep is some huge deal when it's less than 5 minutes of jetting some water up there and getting rid of anything that might be left over. If you actually knew how to do it right, all you'd smell is lube after sex. I'm sorry you tried once on a dildo and left it brown but that's a you problem girl XD

>>41152259
Hell of a lot cleaner than y'all's, apparently :3

>>41152324
5 minutes too many to have gay sex with a faggot

>>41150447
Actually it is a big deal. Im sick of fembous and crossdressers claiming to be trans because they are turning society against us.

Either you are willing to go the distance or you are a queer playing dressup. Getting SRS is a very clear line, a decision that requires commitment, a separation between the posers and the real deal.

If you keep your dick, you are nothing but a gender anarchist trying to subvert commonly held values.

>>41152324
Sorry but dick smells bad after anal and having a diarrhea at toilet before and after sex is not nice. Go do ass to mouth if your butthole is without any nasty bacteria babe. I would never force a man to use my shithole for sex

>>41152361
is this true? im a virgin (trad) and am curious what sex is like. Is this what anal sex is like

>>41152462
anal sex for the receiver feels like a giant piece of shit is constantly going in and out of your asshole, sometimes can feel good due to the prostate but isn't worth the trouble of cleaning out your asshole beforehand and the disgust of having faggot sex
for the giver idk how it feels cuz I'm not a man but probably like you got shit on your dick and then a UTI

>>41152361
>Sorry but dick smells bad after anal

Again, I think this is a projection. Either you topped a guy and left him smelly because you don't know how to prep or you topped someone and were left smelly because they didn't know how to prep

Either way, that's your own problem and not mine, sis lmfao

>>41152349
It's funny, I come here like twice a year and I always forget how homophobic the autistic AGPs are when left in an echo chamber like this

>>41152359
Sisterfriend, society hated you before tenderqueers, and they still would have hated you had they never existed. Y'all have literally zero sense of perspective. There was never a time in the modern western era where we haven't been socially oppressed in various ways. There was never a time when we were "closer to gaining acceptance". You can blame trenders all you want but society is still the problem at the end of the day.

>>41152524
That‘s not even true. I don‘t have a prostate as I‘m female, but I like the way fingering feels, it‘s just really nice

>>41152527
>t.gay poopy feces sex haver

>>41152527
nothing homophobic about not wanting to have gay sex, I don't have a fetish for fecal matter like you

>>41152462
You need to fart the cum out on toilet

>>41152462
Don't listen to this absolute dumbfuck (>>41152524) projecting their own bad experiences onto everyone else lmfao.

Whether or not you like it varies, and you'd have to try it to see if you even like it, but if it "feels like shit entering and exiting your hole" then you either didn't prep properly or aren't using enough lube

>>41152524
If you’re not even amab why are you even telling me this. You’re talking about something which you have no experience.

oh no I've angered the poop eaters

>>41152552
Projection

>>41152562
Projection as well

Y'all think everyone else is a dirty as you and it's hilarious

>>41152595
Y'all really just think about poop a lot don't you? Strange obsession.

>>41152596
it's a hole designed to shit out of. you aren't getting it clean with a little water retard

>>41152062
>Laser is NOT enough for pre-op prep so keep that in mind.
So can you do laser first then electrolysis on what's left or will that lead to a hairy vagina in a couple years?

>>41152612
Considering the mucus produced by membranes in that area trap any leftover particles and get flushed out during prep, you quite literally can

>>41152087
poor and broke. or they dont have anybody to take care of them through recovery and they are trying to cope with getting gatekept.

>>41152648
Personally I wouldn't recommend getting laser there at all and recommend just starting on the electrolysis sooner.

>>41152653
And again, I'm sorry your experience was bad, but you don't have to project that experience onto people who don't want SRS lmfao it's so unnecessary

>>41152653
a lot of mental gymnastics to justify having male on male sex

>>41152722
See >>41152146

>>41152324
LMAO

Sorry but if I had to shoot water up my ass and shit it out everytime I wanted to have sex I think I'd literally kms

When will the coping stop?

>>41152751
Girl, you have completely lost the plot. I try not to get snippy but you need a reality check. Surgery or not, if you're getting with a man, you're still having male on male sex too. It's just extreme docking.

why do gay men feel the need to insert themselves into a thread that has nothing to do with them???

>>41152785
I can understand why bottom gay men would try this hard to defend anal but why a mtf? Like, nobody serious is going to criticize you for just giving in and getting a vagina, especially if you like men.
It's like if a mtf constantly railed against laser and electrolysis on the face, saying "b-but you can just shave and use makeup daily to cover it up!!". Perplexing levels of coping.

>>41152790
transphobic gay male, typical

>>41152785
lmao u are in the wrong room hun

>SRS thread
>made by AFAB
>AFABs talking about topping and anal
>post op trannies calling pre op trannies men while acting like men
>gay men talking about SRS
what is happening here?

>>41151140
the subreddit transgendersurgeries has a lot that imo look good. like going through them with cis friends we can kind of tell differences when i point them out but everyone agrees they look good. penile inversion is gods plan

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>>41152790
This shows your fundamental lack of understanding of both SRS and anatomy. You think it is dick origami. It is not. All of our genitals start out the same (female) and a vaginoplasty reverts the changes done by testosterone, no different than the goal of FFS. This is why trans women are able to have discharge and a vaginal biome. A vaginoplasty is a procedure cis women get as well, by the way. So at the end of the day, you're the coping transphobe insisting we don't have real vaginas, and should become an hero because frankly to go the distance of being post op takes pure dedication and a lot of guts.

>>41152790
SRS brings you like 50 percentage points more towards the female side. Even if nothing else is done it's pretty delusional to call a penis going in a vagina "male on male" sex lmao.

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>lmao u are in the wrong room hon

>>41152885
>You think it is dick origami. It is not. All of our genitals start out the same (female) and a vaginoplasty reverts the changes done by testosterone
LMAO

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>41152946
>LMAO

>>41152527
>society hated you before tenderqueers, and they still would have hated you had they never existed. Y'all have literally zero sense of perspective.
Im so fucking tired of the
>dont bother trying to fit in, they will always hate you
Im going to say this in the nicest way possible; you are retarded. I make an effort to fit in and surprisingly people don't hate me. I make an effort not to offend people, and surprisingly people don't hate me. I make concessions to gender norms, and surprisingly people don't hate me. Just because you can't or won't bring yourself to act normal doesn't mean everybody else is living that life. Go take your terminally queer bullshit somewhere else.

>>41152852
Girl, I am on HRT, in the middle of laser sessions, and have an FFS consult in two weeks, shut the fuck up lmfao. You explicitly used the term "male on male sex". That references biological sex. Both of us are are Women from a social standpoint, but to insinuate that either of us are biologically Female is just not correct. Transitioning social gender is what we are doing. What we are NOT doing is transitioning sexes. It's not possible, at least not with current technology.

And sis, if you don't want people to throw your own BS back at you, you should start by not being so ugly towards everyone who approaches their transition slightly different from you.

>>41152882
>post op trannies calling pre op trannies men while acting like men

Yea, all over the place itt lmfao

>>41152722
Its cool if you dont want SRS, just dont claim to be or represent trannies, cause you aren't one.

>>41153084
You are non-op, not pre-op anon.
Hating on pre-ops is messed up, hating on no ops is mandatory when they act like you, lol.

>>41153084
Girl, you will never be trans! lol flaming transphobic gay man forever

>>41153064
People IRL tend to like me, and I assume that's because I make concessions towards feminine gender norms too, but to imply that SRS is the differentiating factor for social acceptance like that anon did originally is absolutely hilarious

>>41152843
which then evolved into girl beards being hecking valid.
same way they say you can be trans with out dysphoria or that you can be a girl with a penis. its all cope enabled by cult leaders

>>41152882
>>41153084

It's proof that AGP are the trutrans females and hsts are just larping skinwalker faggots. If you weren't a tourist you'd understand exactly what's happening in here.

>>41153098
>>41153101
>>41153108
Girls, you can call me whatever you want if it helps you feel better, just put my groceries in the bag please

>>41153161
Girl, hon, sis, slayyyy!!!

>>41153171
Thank you girlfriend! Now if you'll excuse me I have to go shoot water up my poopchute!

>>41153116
you cant just call people tourists on 4chan and use blanchards typology while claiming to be trutrans female in the same reply

>>41153171
Ah I forgot that living as a gheyboi for most of my life socialized me in a more effeminate way than you, can't help using certain verbiage sorry :)

>>41153277
>he thinks women talk like that
lol
>living as a gheyboi for most of my life
real trans women never lived as a boy, just some feedback for next time you pretend to be trans

>>41153113
So you are telling me you are comfortable walking into a women's room in something that shows your bulge? Are you even smart enough to understand the fashion faux pas isn't the problem, its that you brought a penis into the women's room that is a problem? And no matter how hard you try to rationalize it, nobody with a vagina js going to see you as being on the same team as them.

>>41153337
>He thinks women talk like that

My girlfriends IRL do \_('_')_/

>Real trans women never lived as a boy

We are what we project onto the world. If you ever once in your life tried to project boy or manhood, even if forced, you lived as a boy.

>>41153344
Girl what gave you the idea that I said or even implied all that? I tuck lmfao

Hsts stock plummetting in here holy shit, the age of the gock trender is ending

>>41151940
well I don't unnecessarily bring up the sex change but if someone knows I transitioned I don't mind them knowing I have a vagina now
>>41152127
doctors kind of self-police a bit through their licensing organizations and boards and such but they are expected to gain a certain amount of competence before they start doing operations.
Some dude who has a MD and licensure who just decides he can do heart transplants because he read the book is going to be attacked for that especially if his patient suffers adverse outcomes. The result is that people don't think too hard about who their cardiologist is.
Trans doctors aren't held to that standard though, so we as a community get to be especially careful.

>>41151224
same sis, same.

>>41150056
Everyone's covered your main misconceptions at this point so I'll just throw in the obvious here: SRS vaginas are a prosthetic. It isn't a 1:1 experience, its making the most of what is available to be used. There are folks without limbs and extremities who get by just fine with any number of prosthetic devices and we all intuitively understand that these devices aren't supposed to be superior or even identitical. They're supposed to be functional and improve the user's quality of life, which they do, SRS has lower rates of regret than knee replacements.

>>41152361
Boy I hate to tell you this, but a cock that's just been in a mouth or pussy for a while is also going to smell pretty rank. In general that's why the first thing people do after having sex for a while is shower, not take turns contemplating the complex aromas of the human body. Go ahead and spend a while sniffing the next cock you suck off, that dried spit and semen will smell as foul as anything. It's sex, not a rose garden, not a hentai. It's always kind of funky.

>>41153504
>Girl what gave you the idea that I said or even implied all that? I tuck lmfao
You are too stupid to get the point or something. Somebody that has had SRS doesnt have to deceive anybody. They dont have to hide their dick. They simply are. The only reason vagina havers accept you is because they dont know what you are hiding.

>>41154676
as a post op i've been naked in front of several of my cis friends with like absolutely no problem (situations like changing for the pool or idk even just drunk and not wanting to stop talking to use the bathroom)
i'd never do that if i had a penis

>>41154476
maybe I have gotten lucky but out of 10 cis girls I have been with, I have yet to encounter a pussy that smells more than slightly musky

mouths can be kinda gross but there are a ton of factors that go into that and its not the same as an asshole

>>41154702
my favorite thing about being post op is going swimming. i like the beach, lake, pool summer time dynamic. i still get a little anxious that people look at my butt though.

>>41150056
Im worried about my cervix. I think not having sex is what's killing me. The ischemia, the fact that i cant get pap smears because of the cervix pain, the loss of brain matter. Its all because im not working out those muscles.
I think... I think we all really do need to be having sex, like, all the time o_o
lesbro, i haven't had sex in 15 years! I thought thats a good way to stay healthy and just not fuck around with STD's or other health risks.

>>41154676
Who am I trying to deceive, anon? I thought most people hid their genitalia. The way most other normal people view each other is not based on genitalia. Do you just walk around with your pussy out constantly or something?

If the price I pay for keeping my downstairs intact is not showing my privates to other women, then that's really not all that big a deal to me. I already don't anyway. You're telling me I'm too stupid to get the point you're making, but you're not making much of a clear point in the first place. How about you spell it out for me like I'm 5, friend?

>>41155171
i mean. you just throw a long shirt in or something.

>>41152882
just the usual psyop

>>41155171 this person >>41154702 literally answered you. You arent even capable of going to the bathroom with other women with out blowing your cover.

>spell it out for me
get a vagina or you are larping as a woman

>imagine getting srs, everything you wanted, a boyfriend, and still going on 4chin to try and dunk on other trannies

literally gross inside and out sis

>>41155462
what do you expect from 4channers lol

>>41155462
I haven't gotten that yet tho that's why I'm still here

>>41155462
Its people on the trail waving to some hikers lost in the bushes
>heeey! the path is over here!!

>>41151132
>mentally ill
if it helps alleviate dysphoria and doesn't destroy the quality of life for the mentality then what's the down side of getting it?

hi, post op srsussy haver here. im not reading through this whole thread but i will back up there's so much stuff that gets ignored. most of the other patients i talk to have incredibly low standards to begin with like to the point they don't know how vaginas are supposed to look and would be happy with even just a nulloplasty. the bar is low, ladies. personally something that really bothers me is that cis vaginas have so much internal stuff we don't like OP is saying. we don't get the whole internal G-spot or clitoral erections or anything. if you look at an anatomical diagram like 95% of the clitoris is internal, and srs just makes none of that. cis women can also have erectile problems that get in the way of enjoying sex, it just isn't a literal physical obstacle so it's less noticeable. they cut out that 95% of your penis that would be the analogue and leave you with that little 5% external for the clitoris. it's honestly really depressing when i think of how much sensation i used to have, so i mostly stay celibate these days. guys have never been able to make my prostate feel good anyway, anally or vaginally. honestly i really wish we could have important conversations like this more often without people who are just "SRS is butchery" and "if you don't get SRS you're a rapist and should die" but this is /tttt/ we're talking about so lol stay safe y'all

>>41155883
>>41150755

>>41154713
I didn't say that. I said smell your cock after it's been brining in a person for a while. It'll smell bad because the inside of a human being smells bad, you can't coat flesh in slime and bacteria and not expect it to stink. Stop smelling vaginas, smell the next dick you've sucked off after getting a little fresh air. It'll make you gag. Hell the room itself might be musty from the sweat and semen depending on what you two hogs did. The idea of anal sex being uniquely gross is just laughable to me once you take into account the actual logistics and prep work. Inserting yourself into someone else is objectively groddy and we only think it's cool because it makes us feel insanely good. We fuck for similar reasons dogs will roll around in muck, it feels good stink be damned.

>>41155991
thank you for showing me that reply. like i said too lazy to read through the whole thread and desu i dont need more brainworms about my own results. but yeah thats sort of my thoughts, except the real trvthnvke is that even above prioritizing pleasure they prioritize the male gaze and enjoyment of it. it's really about making the hole as fuckable as possible and the outer vulva as not-unappealing as possible even at the sacrifice of pleasure. or else they wouldnt cut out so much of it and completely get rid of important erogenous parts like the internal arousal responsive sensitive tissue. like to some extent i get it because i want it to look good and feel good for a guy because who wouldnt want that? but come on we deserve better than just stopping at that. i didn't like to get hard pre op obviously but it is disappointing imo to not feel turned on in your genitals at all. like even without getting hard you can (or at least i could) feel some of the blood rush inside down there and twitch when something hot happens and it makes your genitals a lot more sensitive. but now that's gone so the occasional hookup is mostly just when i'm so horny i can't help wanting to try and see if it's any better

>>41155883
>>41156107
did they just remove it all for you?
they usually leave what would be the internal clitoris or they're supposed to anyway

>>41156118
i dont think its normal for surgeons to make an internal clit. usually they say that leaving extra tissue would make it ugly or thats what the prostate is for lol

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>>41156107
I agree with you also. trannies have a ridiculously low standard for SRS, so while doctors do reinvent themselves quite often, there is no real incentive for them to focus on internal anatomy. expanding on that, its even worse because imo there is no current method that is good enough to make a vaginal canal, thats why I mentioned vulvoplasty (zero depth) because it is something that is currently possible but its basically the same surgery without making the vagina
>>41156118
they dont make the full clitoris, just a small part of it

>>41156264
ye i remember seeing this picture before, it really captures what im trying to say

>>41155387
>You aren't even capable of going to the bathroom with other women without blowing your cover

Do they like, not have stalls where you live or something? Are you or other women looking over privacy stalls to inspect genitals? This is the most retarded fucking take I've ever heard in my life girl oh my god

>>41156264
yeah because once you cut the extra parts off it's already there
zero depth is a horrible idea
>>41156558
no but in private houses close female friends don't typically consider a need to close the door between each other just to pee or change
you do have close female friends right?

>>41150067
Are you even human? Have you never orgasmed?

>>41156604
NTA but I’m cis F and I absolutely do close the door when I piss around female friends. What kind of coomer are you that you think we’re all butt ass naked in front of each other??

>>41156604
>yeah because once you cut the extra parts off it's already there
what?

>>41156673
I haven't experienced that eithee but the number of cis women who try to talk me while pissing in a public restroom is horrorifying. Whatever we may say about cis men, they have good social bathroom etiquette. There's some parts of the world that don't require conversation, for me that's any place where it's likely I may take a shit.

>>41156604
I mean in private houses I've had my girl friends leave the door open, both back when I was presenting as a gay guy and also now that I'm presenting as a woman. We've always had an implicit trust with one another. Personally, I wouldn't leave the door open for myself while peeing, but we've changed in front of one another plenty of times before (minus underwear obv).

That trust can absolutely be built without matching genitals, are you like autistic or something?

>>41156673
i mean there's certainly people who are more prudish than others
>>41156676
penis = bigger than clit
they remove extra pieces and you're left with a clit
>>41156702
i don't understand why we can't talk
>>41156730
yeah exactly
gay guys can do it too since there's no attraction but it would be weird in front of a transbian who has a penis

>>41156890
>they remove extra pieces and you're left with a clit
they remove like +90% of the penis
>penis = bigger than clit
is that true for trannies tho?

>>41156944
>they remove like 90% of the penis
clits are really small in comparison

>>41156953
>androgen deprived penis is 10x bigger than clits
non serious person

>>41156890
no the whole point is the penis isnt actually bigger than the clit in a meaningful structural sense, its just that most of the clitoris is internal. so there arent any extra pieces. getting rid of the "extra" pieces like srs does leaves you with like one tenth of a clit lol

>>41157039
yes but all that stuff around the urethra is still there after srs
they have to remove the penis though that's the whole point of the operation

>>41157066
so close you're thinking of nullification. theyre supposed to use the penis to make things after not just throw most of it out. we are allowed to hate our penises but still want surgery to be done better and actually be more than just a surface imitation without any of the function. also the urethra thing isnt what im talking about and definitely depends on the surgeon.

>>41157124
i still have no idea what your complaint is
as far as i can tell you're complaining that srs is not exactly-what-srs-is

>>41157151
??? thats not what im complaining about at all, im complaining like with the OP says the internal stuff is sorely lacking and we deserve better and to have higher standards. just because things look vaguely aesthetically correct on a surface deep level doesnt make them as functionally and anatomically correct as they can actually be. im complaining they dont even try for most of that stuff, they just throw it out do the bare minimum that it looks good to a camera and say good enough. like in the future having a glass eye when you can have a synthetic eye that you can actually see through, or you get synthetic eyes but they remove your optic nerves in the process. but someone says "well looks like you have eyes to me i dont see the problem". like i guess i have eyes but when i said i wanted eyes that implied the function of them as well, not just the equivalent of a blind person's shades to make other people less uncomfortable. i would want them in the meaningful sense of all that entails or at least let me see in black and white if thats the best they can do, not just treat it as if my glass eyes are identical to real ones and say "well you already werent using your optic nerves so you should be fine with this too", you know?

>>41157383
except my vagina works just fine so i'm not sure your comparison makes any sense

>>41157396
infinite copium

>>41150189
I think you can learn to contract different parts individually so anal could still be relaxed while squeezing elsewhere.

>>41156673
the multitude of house parties I have been to where friend groups of girls all go to the bathroom at the same time

>>41153084
I transitioned my sex, thank you very much. You might be happy as a male man but I wanted to be a female woman

>>41154476
>a mouth or pussy for a while is also going to smell pretty rank.
They don't, you are coping and you better clean your mouth if it stinks

>>41150514
:(
don't listen to them

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>>41156107
>i didn't like to get hard pre op obviously but it is disappointing imo to not feel turned on in your genitals at all
Not that anon but that really does depend on your technique and surgeon. I personally feel it physically when arousal is coming on, and not just blood flow either. It feels vaguely like how erections did but it's spread out around and behind the labia, it feels like my opening is getting wider, or at least easier to stretch wider. Tbh I'm not sure how my surgeon did it but presumably some erectile tissue was left in strategic places and not fully removed.

>>41157039
>getting rid of the "extra" pieces like srs does leaves you with like one tenth of a clit lol
This is why more surgeons should do the chon organ and leave some erectile tissue in strategic places because it's at least a usable facsimile for the buried parts of a natal clitoris.

>>41150067
i have to clench my pelvic muscle or i cant orgasm. Take that however you want
>t. mtf

just get castrated to prevent testosterone production and leave it at that

>>41159898
agree on all counts, that should be way more standard. exactly what i mean as they can do better so they should, it's just a shame it's not the norm

>>41150056
This thread is so full of cope its not even funny. OP you are absolutely right. Most MTF SRS has been pioneered and done by male surgeons who don't know how it feels to have a vagina from birth. External approximation is as good as it's gonna get. For those trans women who are autistic enough to want bottom surgery, the external result is good enough for them, confirming the therapeutic value of such surgery. It can't replicate the full organ.

It's kind of like franken dicks on pooners. Any self respecting amab troon knows FTM dick surgery is a grotesque approximation of the real thing.

>>41160251
It doesn't matter for mtfs tho since they don't have to look at it. It also functions a billion times better than a frankencock because a woman's job is to lie there and get pumped whereas a man's job is to do all the work by fucking.

Women who get silicone implants know that their tits aren't real breast tissue and they don't move like real breasts when you flex your pecs, but they don't care, they just care about the aesthetics.

But if you lose an arm and your choices are living with a prosthetic arm and getting a fake looking arm surgically sewn onto your body but it's made from your leg and also extremely uncannily puffy and smooth and you'll only ever have tattooed veins, fingernails, prints, elbows that can't bend, and no palms, most people will opt for the prosthetic.

>>41152916
if you laugh about this pic you are a misandrist and should die a brutal death

>>41160251
>It's kind of like franken dicks on pooners.
Not at all. mtf grs is much better than ftm grs

you just cant afford grs, unlucky bro

>>41159961
I don't want to be a male with ugly peenus
>>41160803
Its srs

>>41159898
I didn't go to thailand and don't have extra organs but I feel just like this too

>>41160251
Low income autistic hands wrote this btw

>>41155883
>>41157039
You do still get "erections" if there's enough tissue left, and the internal structure of the penis remains intact so I'm not sure what you're suggesting. You want them to keep the corpora cavernosa so that you have giant unnatural erections under your clit?

>>41162225
She has no idea what she wants.
You see this on reddit all the time people have no idea about vaginal anatomy and then complain they're botched because their urethra isn't inside the vagina or some similar nonsense.

>>41162225
you're calling them giant unnatural erections, but the point is that it's not unnatural to have cavernosa, cis women just also have those to some extent albeit internally. neoclitoral erections are the equivalent to just the head of the penis getting hard, and saying that's fine and enough because the rest of the "penis" is internal so you don't have to see it. i genuinely don't know what you're trying to say about the internal structure of the penis remaining intact, obviously it isn't when most of that structure is corpora which you acknowledge is thrown out lol. you've fallen for the exact problem this thread is about with prioritizing what men think it should be for men's sakes. they keep the veins and ideally nerves and some of the urethra, sure, but that's far from everything.
>>41162261
this applies to this board as well. look how many people praise surgeons that close the labia minora above the vaginal canal lmfao. anyways i'm the one here wanting closer to natal vaginal anatomy just by wanting an actual clitoral structure beyond a clueless man's idea of a little button on the outside, so

>>41163148
it's anatomically impossible for an MTF neovagina to have the placement of a real natal vagina, there's no room in the male pelvis and "making room" would mean severing the major nerve that controls your ability to control shitting pissing and walking. the labia will always be above the canal, it's an automatic dead giveaway every time even the best results have it. this is why everyone says only clueless virgins and the inexperienced can't tell the difference between neo pussy and natal pussy, it's immediately visually obvious to anyone with experience who also isn't completely retarded
also the internal clit anatomy is extremely delicate and complicated and high risk low reward, surgeons don't bother with it because it's a waste of time for a 99% guaranteed failure not because they don't understand the anatomy

>>41164011
the labia is just hard to make unless you do a two step surgery (which we in america call a "revision" and then get told it meant the surgeon did something wrong)
I have no idea what you're talking about . the vagina gets put in the right place in between the bladder/urinary system and rectal organs
I have pretty wide hips but obviously that varies with different people

>>41164011
the labia dont always close above the canal lol what are you talking about. i agree the difference is very obvious otherwise though.

and yes anatomy is delicate and complicated as is the nature of surgery. also for the clit they often do actually physically separate the nerves out and wrap them up and stitch them in place, so they already do it to some degree despite the "high risk" which the surgery obviously is to begin with. but also its not "low reward" when the alternative is throwing 9/10ths away. thats like saying a life saving surgery is high risk so might as well just not do it and let them die. im sure surgeons know that but the point isnt whether or not its easy to do. it doesnt change that the surgery as it is is subpar and we deserve to have higher standards. meanwhile some people in this thread are acting like it's equivalent to a natal vagina's anatomy and the thrown away material is useless excess lmfao

>>41163148
>neoclitoral erections are the equivalent to just the head of the penis getting hard
that's not true though, do you think they completely sever the glans from your body? they don't.
>i genuinely don't know what you're trying to say about the internal structure of the penis remaining intact
the internal structure, like inside your pelvis (in the space where you think the externals of a whole penis would fit)
I asked what you suggest they should do with the discarded tissue, which you haven't answered. They don't have a magical shrink ray that will turn your penis back into a clit so idk why you're acting like it's something based on the whim of a surgeon when what you're asking for is a physical impossibility. In order to create a clitoris from a penis some tissue must be removed. If you somehow buried the entire penis there would be a bulge unlike anything a cis woman would have. There have been some awful srs results that resemble this.

>>41164011
there is not that much difference between a "male pelvis" and a "female pelvis" anon
>t. lateshit poon with medically confirmed android pelvis

i hate having a vagina so much this is a torture idk what i did wrong to deserve this

>>41167493
get a hysterectomy. Its the one that will make you regret saying stupid shit like that the fastest

>>41167512
i'm mtf i already don't have a uterus

>>41167493
>>41167545
ohhh she just like me

>>41156264
Yeah it sucks. I mean honestly I have really crippling dysphoria so even if I lose sensation I'd rather that over now.

>>41159898
What surgeon? Because I had my eye on the Meltzer clinic

>>41152120
Ok, post this "passable" pussy. Feel free, throw up this ID number on a post-it and your "stealth sex" vagina.
Spoiler Alert: You fucking won't because you're a fucking liar. But go ahead, prove me wrong.I'll just be here dilating my axe wound until you do.

>>41168561
Dr. Bank

Female is retarded as usual
/thread

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>>41150166
Is this true? My bf is very bad at stimulating my clit with mouth, or fingers, and he's getting insecure that he can't make me cum w/o myself helping him. If I could train my cunt that would help lol

>>41164728
Burying only works if the resting length (non erect length) is less than 2 inches and erect length is 3 or less. They sometimes do this for girls who are born with very large clitorises or small phalluses. But you can preserve a much greater part of the head if you aren’t terrible concerned with having a tiny clitoris

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>>41150999
girl that's what cis vag is like

>>41169500
discordia is a cunt as usual

>>41169570
womp womp

>>41169486
Damn that makes me think I should have gone to Bank too desu, all the horror stories from there put me off but now getting to know the actual fellow patients at my US surgeon that also have horror stories I think it's just from the sheer number that go to Thailand and talk about it online. Well that sucks.