The people who thought it was “only logical” to be atheist, are the same people who thought it was “only logical” to mutilate your cock and balls.
>>41162542god speaks to me, i am the chosen one
>leave religion >become atheist>it’s literally a religion There is no escape
>>41162551t. Louis Riel>>41162575The only way to win is to not play
richard dawkins is a great biologist, but if he wants to convince me that being trans is fake he's going to have to come up with some better arguments than "muh gametes", seeing as my body doesn't even produce gametesyou know that's what science is about. It's a method for proof, being a science celebrity doesn't mean you can just assert whatever you want
>>41162592>using the lgbt archives Enjoy your viruses
>>41162592Whether you produce gametes or not is irrelevant. It’s the path of development for developing them that matters. By default you’re on one path or the other. If you’re unable to produce gametes, this means you’re sadly compromised. But you still lean towards one or the other, even if it’s so hard you have to squint to see it. That’s all.
>>41162622cope moresee you with the same thread tomorrow loser>>41162663then why define sex as gametes and not "path of development"?perhaps "path of development" isn't a particularly well defined or binary thingperhaps the fact that you have so much trouble actually defining a strictly binary sex system has some implications in biologyperhaps if I were talking to a real biologist like dawkins we could have an actual conversation about it, but you probably haven't taken a biology course in your life
>>41162542did they replace their christian god with dawkins
>>41162680> then why define sex as gametes and not "path of development"?Because at the root level, gametes are the core of life’s propagation. Life’s goal is to propagate. The goal of life IS to make gametes. Not all life is like this, but it is for human life.Gametes were created for sexual reproduction because they combine to form a diploid zygote and create an offspring, which allows for genetic diversity in the species. In this process, haploid gametes (like a sperm and egg) each contribute half of the required genetic information to create a genetically unique offspring. This maintains the species' genetic consistency across generations. Without gametes there would be no males or females. We wouldn’t be here. Saying you’re not a woman or a man because you don’t produce eggs or sperm is like saying someone isn’t a woman because they’re infertile. That’s horribly cruel to say to someone who can’t conceive, and struggles accepting themselves for being a broken woman. What is proof for you is horror for another.
>>41162877>Life’s goal is to propagate. The goal of life IS to make gametesthere is no "goal" to life>Saying you’re not a woman or a man because you don’t produce eggs or sperm is like saying someone isn’t a woman because they’re infertilebut you're the one saying sex is defined by gametesI'm just accepting your tems
>>41162542You can, say, act, feel, whatever the hell you want, but don't be getting all mad when that atheist says that thing that would crack a god peoples brain. The fact that god people and str8 people cant fathom certain concepts and lifestyles is what's fucking us up today.
>>41162663ah okay so what we have to do is identify if, in an alternate timeline, I could have produced the gametes and that's the sex we transpose onto this timeline. hm very reasonable. What about someone who can produce both gametes? In an alternate timeline of course where doctors didn't cut parts of them off at birth or something>>41162877Life does not have "goal". Having to fall back on the idea that gametes were "created" or "designed" for a purpose is a weird argument for a sincere atheist to make.
>>41162542No atheism is for the blatantly retarded and I genuinely dismiss the opinions of those that are
>>41162877>the goal of life is to create gameteslmao maybe for you you little bitch
>>41162877>That’s horribly cruel to say to someone who can’t conceive, and struggles accepting themselves for being a broken woman.interesting how you accept "it would be cruel not to do this" as a taxonomic criterion in one situation but not another
>>41162905> there is no "goal" to lifeIf you truly believe this, then there’s no arguing with you, is there? Sure, evolution is an overly complex and sophisticated blind idiot, a la Azathoth or Mana-Yood-Sushai. It is not conscious or aware, sure, but that doesn’t mean tigers didn’t become orange+striped over time so prey animals (who can’t see orange - instead seeing it as shades of green) can get hunted and eaten more easily.
>>41162542I’m an atheist but don’t get why people care so much about Dawkins or any of the other “atheist personalities”This was a banger tweet though.
I don't belong to any religion but I believe there's a God, if we managed to develop consciousness with all of our intricate systems and short lives there's a huge chance other systems can become conscious, following this logic there must be one that developed when everything was together in the beginning.
>>41162957You’re using “I don’t make eggs! Therefore I’m not a woman!” as though women struggling to conceive would ever actually agree with you.
>>41162948Fair. I dont come at god people like that, but i know most other atheists will do in kind to you. So, no harm done. To each their own, an all that.
>>41162967>but that doesn’t mean tigers didn’t become orange+striped over time so prey animals (who can’t see orange - instead seeing it as shades of green) can get hunted and eaten more easily.please go read dawkins' the selfish gene
>>41162542The real tough pill to swallow is that the whole motivation of these "logical atheist" activists was to be islamophobic in the early 2000s/2010s when that was culturally rewarded. They're all awfully quiet now that christian fundamentalist nationalism is ascendant in the US, which of course espouses belief in many of the same things as salafism. Instead their focus is on the all-important trannies because that's also cultural rewarded nowadays. They are grifters, the lot of them.
Education is a big issue right now. With stubborn shitters like >>41162680 there’s no actual cure for this mental retardation epidemic. You’d have to go out of your way to just fucking kill them all, to save us from this horrific level of miseducation. But, sadly, death is no longer the answer, as it ruins the precedent and gives us all licenses to murder. Even when tens of thousands of just as stupid Americans had to fucking DIE in a civil war so slaves could get freed (the British abolished slavery before America btw). You can’t cure stupidity. It has to be taken out.
>>41162979we're using arguments of that form to show why the gamete definition of sex is1. impoverished, doesn't account for the actual variation we see in the real world2. doesn't actually produce the binary its advocates claim it does, because it allows four possible states, not two, and three of those states are very commonly found in human beingswe're not defending the gamete account of sex! we're showing that it doesn't accomplish what its advocates want it to.
>>41163002Oh spare me. I’m quite aware of the existence of the Laryngeal nerve, or the existence of blind cave fish sucking on rocks. Evolution does fuck you over at times. Bottlenecks happen. That doesn’t change the fact that life is meant to suit itself to its environment. All life is dictated by its surroundings.
>>41163012you could kill us all and in one generation we'd be backbeing trans is a real neurological condition and you can't stop that
>>41163015> impoverished, doesn't account for the actual variation we see in the real worldIt actually does. The development of men and women are mutually exclusive and even antagonistic to each other. You can’t have a true blend. You will always fall in on one side or the other. That’s just how it is.
>>41163021"meant"it's a fucking statistical functionGENES that replicate more exist more. There is no meaning or reason to any of it other than this.
>>41163030>You will always fall in on one side or the otherso it's not a BINARY? it's a sliding scale between male and female?
>>41163030ok so I'm taking the hormones that give me female development
>>41163012Sometimes realizing the bigger picture makes you out to be a psychopath. I have all the sympathy for wartime leaders once I realized this. To save your people you have to become a psychopath. To save a thousand you have to let a hundred die. This puts them into truly awful positions. I don’t at all blame Israel for what they’re doing. It wasn’t their fault they got attacked by a bunch of insane sand people who refused to make a state for themselves in the last twenty years.And yes this extends to killing all trannies.
>>41163053That’s binary… binary means two. Male or female. A bimodal sliding scale is still technically following on two ends. Hence the bi- in the name. Bi- means two.
>>41163056That’s sadly not how it works, lool. Taking female hormones don’t make your dick vanish.
>>41163058I don’t WANT trannies to be killed, and I have trans friends, but 90% of trans folk are critically misinformed about a lot of things, and their zeal is frightening.
Wasn't there a Catholic troon who got arrested in Florida? I doubt she listens to Dawkins.
>he thinks life’s purpose isn’t survival>he thinks sperm and eggs aren’t survival
>>41163068Okay but if you admit the bimodal scale exists then what you are doing is bad science. We are ignoring information about the population to try to squeeze them into our preconceived notion about how life is "created". Imagine if I wanted to take data about the air temperatures in my city and I said, "Degrees? get this woke shit out of here! Everybody knows it's a binary of hot or cold, sure sometimes it's warm but that's more hot than cold so that's going in the hot box. Above 20 degrees = Hot, below = cold." Would that be scientifically helpful?
>>41163075wait, is it gametes or genitals?you can't seem to make up your mind
>>41163107survival for who?having kids doesn't make you immortal, elon
>>41162542Pretty easy to establish a high level way of thinking about sex, it just isn't fully satisfying for anyone. Something like>the categories we call sex are social constructs>sexes are basically usr generalizations. They don't have simple definitions. They smooth over difference. This isn't a serious flaw. It's the point. >people can change the characteristics we use to put them in different sex categories>just because you changed some of your sex characteristics some extent doesn't mean you've changed your sex or that it makes sense to put you in a different existing sex category rather than a new one
>>41163115It’s not bad science it’s just common sense. You’re one or the other. There is no third path. There are only outlier flaws on one or the other path.
>>41163136common sense is in fact not a good guide to truths about the physical worldask a physicist how far "common sense" will take you in predicting the behavior of subatomic particles
>>41163151Correct. Because common sense ain’t so common anymore. The world either went around the sun, or the sun went around it.
>>41163136but now you're the one calling infertile cis women or intersex people "outlier flaws". Sounds like a horribly cruel thing to say to someone. Or were you just being disingenuous when you said that?
>>41162988Okie doke :)
>>41163160Do you really think women struggling with infertility don’t know that they’re flawed?
>>41163160A flawed woman =|= a flawed manA woman who can’t develop eggs isn’t a man who can’t develop eggs. One was never meant to form eggs.
>>41163156>The world either went around the sun, or the sun went around it.the common sense view was that the sun, the stars, the moon, and the other planets went around the earth. after all, the earth doesn't feel like it's moving!the common sense view turned out to be rightish about a few things (the moon really does move around the earth) and mistaken about almost everything.the way you've phrased it, though, is yet another common-sensical misunderstanding. it's not that we revised our model of the universe from being earth-centric to being sun-centric. we demoted both the earth and the sun to the same physical status as every other ordinary celestial object. some things orbit the earth and the earth in turn orbits the sun along with some other things, and the sun orbits the galactic center along with myriad other stars, and so on and so on.
Trans-women are trans-women. They’re not women. You will call them a woman, sure, because saying ‘trans’ is about as annoying as saying ‘cis’. When someone says men cannot get pregnant, you know what they mean by it. Saying “um ackchually trans men can get pregnant” is outing yourself as a morally righteous retard who can’t into social queues.
>>41163228So a woman is someone who was "meant" to form eggs, even if they can't form eggs and never had the capability to form eggs. You just know that they are meant to form eggs, through some method you haven't specified.
>>41163318YES!! The fact that you state it changes nothing.
>>41163328I was hoping you would tell the thread your method for identifying who is meant to form eggs? Presumably some sort of scientific dowsing rod that tingles in response to the innate "meant-for-making-eggsness" aura that a person has?
>>41162542It’s insane how mentally feeble the average person is. They can’t have any convictions of their own so they look to someone they see as their better or their tribe for what to think. Obviously we’re all social animals but some people truly can’t think independently. This post depressed me
>>41163318>You just know that they are meant to form eggs, through some method you haven't specified.Evo-fucking-lution, you fuck.
>>41163357They really are beyond all hope. They’re just sitting on the bandwagon. They don’t, or can’t, entertain something they don’t personally like or identify with as possibly being true.Whenever I talk to people I always try to entertain their angle. No matter how stupid, or how absurd. I will give them that respect, at the very least. “What if they’re actually right?”. I put myself in their shoes. That’s the definition of empathy (this word has been ruined btw), putting yourself in another’s shoes.
>>41163318Women form gametes (eggs) through a process called oogenesis, which begins during fetal development, but matures month by month in the ovary in adulthood. The oogonia, germ cells, multiply, giving rise to primary oocytes that begin meiotic division but stop until puberty. In adulthood, hormones stimulate the continuation of this division, forming a secondary oocyte and a polar body.This is what typically occurs. Trans, intersex, or even infertile people are an exception to the rule; this should be considered, but some generalizations are necessary, especially for those who have never had any exposure to biology.
>>41163494AlsoAnd I'm not transphobic, but a lot of older biology materials barely mention intersex people, let alone trans people! Fortunately, the reality is changing, and academia is becoming more inclusive.
>>41163422Bitch keep your sponsored dick away from kids!!! Stop trying to make everyone trans you fucking psyco!
>>41163539What the hell. Did you respond to the right person you schizophrenic?
Richard Dawkins has spoken— “This ridiculous article (shame on the once-great Scientific American) ignorantly misunderstands the nature of the sex binary. … Sex is not defined by chromosomes, nor by anatomy, nor by psychology or sociology, nor by personal inclination, nor by “assignment at birth”, but by gamete size. It happens to be embryologically DETERMINED by chromosomes in mammals. … But it is universally DEFINED by the binary distinction between sperms and eggs. You may argue about “gender” if you wish (biologists have better things to do) but sex is a true binary, one of rather few in biology.”Article in question: https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/
>>41163539I might'hve idk, and now its to late to change it.
>>41163556but he knows that makes four possibilities: Sperm, eggs, both, neither. That is NOT a true binary distinction. And since Dawkins is such a smart biologist I don't even have to refer to humans I can bring up fish. Across all of biology sex is certainly not a binary
>>41163737>but he knows that makes four possibilities: Sperm, eggs, both, neitherUh. No. Humans are physically incapable of producing both sperm and eggs. If you have neither, you’re still on one or the other’s development plan — it just didn’t turn out correctly.
>>41163903>muh heckin development plan>muh heckin gods planunsurprising he became a christian againstop tolerating abrahamic religions
Trannies are so stupid I’m convinced we are living in a simulation where you’re meant to think for yourself. How long it takes before one snaps and joins the collective retardation.
>>41163965>get pwned>necrobump to seethelol
>>41162542im not, i was for a long time until accepting christ. i am much happier than i used to be (raised atheist and descended into nihilism and depression)the person that helped me through transition was a presbyterian pastor and i will forever be grateful to her
>>41163903But he isn't talking about just humans>sex is a true binary, one of rather few in biology.ALL of biology. He is wrong, and a bad scientist cause he is starting at that assumption and trying to make reality fit his feelings. Why should I believe in anything he says?>>41163948Yeah b/c for him it was always about the opportunity to be islamophobic
>>41163975How was he pwned? Saying “sex isn’t binary” isn’t winning.
>>41164072He didn’t say all biology is binary, you ESL Pajeet. He said it’s one of the few true binaries in nature.
>>41164072>Yeah b/c for him it was always about the opportunity to be islamophobicDon’t pretend Islamophobia isn’t a rational response to an irrationally extreme religion. Muslims haven’t benefited a single nation in history. Anywhere. Ever.
>>41164109>universally DEFINED by the binary distinction false statement>but sex is a true binary, one of rather few in biologyFalse statementIn english, biology refers to the entirety of the field of the study of life. That's why we amend it with "human biology" or "cell biology" when that's what we mean. And the word universal means we are referring to the totality of the subject in question.
>>41164133>Muslims haven’t benefited a single nation in history. Anywhere. Ever.An absurd statement for any scientist to make considering the well documented contributions across a range of disciplines in the islamic golden age. But I'm sure dawkins would agree, because he's an idiot.
>are you an atheistyes>the same bla bla multilate cock and ballsyeah I did that to myself and liked it
>>41164186I’m not playing by your retarded brand of mental gymnastics. Sorry.
>>41164245>islamic golden ageLMAO. It was all Persians. Not Arabs. Are you fucking retarded? Persians didn’t want to be converted and they tossed the Quran into the trash where it belonged. Christian intellectuals in contrast could actually work with the Bible.
>>41164186He said it’s universally defined amongst eggs and sperm. Because it is.
>>41164245>he fell for the Islamic golden age meme
>>41162542no im hungry and im craving like pickles or a greek salad or something. but its raining out and im fucking lazy.and i already went to an appointment and back today. i'll probably go out later just for picklesi dont even have any food right now.and i cant go to my spot cause im trying to stay sober for some days.. and its raining anyways so its not like theres going to be alot of people out there tonight. maybe i'll just grab some pizzas or something.i dont even want to cook today. my nose is fucked up. i sneeze alot.i feel sick. im tired. im sore. and hungry.cause god loves me right.
>>41164335>>41164372>When I said muslims, actually I meant arabs
>>41162967>evolution is an overly complex and sophisticated blind idiot, a la Azathoth or Mana-Yood-Sushai. It is not conscious or aware, sureHaving a goal requires having intentionality. If evolution is blind and non conscious, how could it have intentionality in order to have goals?In ordinary language we talk as if evolution had goals, just like we talk as if computers could think. But both of those are merely easy to use metaphors that make analogies to the processes we are familiar with, but it is a mistake to believe they reflect the true nature of things. The LLM generating coherent responses isn't really thinking, though it is as if it was. Evolution converging to equilibrium through natural selection doesn't have a goal, though, at the end, it's as if it had one. For the Tiger example, it feels to us obvious that the finality of the color orange is to confuse it's prey, that is functionally how we observe tigers using it, but I think there is a deep difference between the functional and the teleological
>>41164456Persians were making schools of learning before they got conquered by Muslims you retarded fuckhead.
>>41164621The point is. The goal of life is to survive. That’s just a consequence of living in a world of causality for you.
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